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What are you thoughts on Rojava?
Is it a precedent for Ancoms?
The Autonomous Region Of Rojava
Brandon Howard
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Matthew Martin
another shitty little kekland that will not exist in two years
Nathan Parker
Rojava is not anarchist, although it draws heavily from its ideas.
Its hard to tell for now, but I think they have a run for the money provided america doesn't fuck things over they're going to fuck things over
Brandon Rivera
Anybody got any good articles, videos, podcasts, anything to share on this? I've seen little bits here and there but nothing comprehensive.
Samuel Scott
Please post links to articles, videos, etc on this.
Cooper Reyes
I'm sure the Turkish military are delighted to have a new test range.
Landon Moore
I remain skeptical about the whole thing, as anyone should, but at the same time hope the best for them.
I think their only chance at staying alive is the same as the Zapatistas, get international support and solidarity or they will be bombed off the face of the earth when they are no longer useful to the powers at be.
Isaiah Sanders
Interesting national liberation movement rooted somewhat in anarchist thought. Unfortunately democratic confederalism upholds private property so I don't know how socialist they actually are.
They are going to get fucked over by the UN and possibly by Russia/Assad.
Liam Torres
It's Bookchin's communalism. As far as I'm aware private property is based on use and all productive enterprises are under the jurisdiction of the local committees.
William Moore
That's a contradiction.
Sounds like socialism to me. Although I think it's the worst kind of socialism.
Hudson Anderson
user, have you considered the language barrier? The private/personal property issue is confusing enough to English speakers as it is. Now imagine being a Kurdish person who only has access to questionable Arabic translations of Marxist and anarchist literature. NOW imagine being a Kurdish or Arabic-speaking translator, trying to communicate the ideology of Democratic Confederalism to a bunch of Americans. Add on top of that the propaganda issues and need to prevent the Americans from bombing you.
Still think it's really worth it to nitpick over their definition of private property?
Christopher Johnson
Private property isn't a "nitpick," it's the very basis of capitalism (and arguably of serfdom).
But yes, I do understand that it's a problem of language. We need a better word to describe it. Even within English, it leads to a lot of confusion. Maybe it would be best to import a Latin or French translation? The only good alternative I've heard is "impersonal property," but that isn't particularly great.
Ian Gomez
that pic doesnt make any sense
Lucas Martinez
Pretty sure they're YPG foreign volunteers who helped capture some ISIS territory.
Lincoln Sanders
Rojava are pretty cool, but as soon as Turkey can they're going to remove them with force. People will go 'oh no that's terrible' but ultimately they wont care.
Julian Jenkins
Bumping. I'm also curious as to why all old articles on the Lions of Rojava give a broken link to their Facebook page, while there's a different page claiming to be them.
Brody Walker
facebook has been doing Erdogan's dirty work for a while, taking pages down, etc.
Christian Phillips
I'm more optimistic than most of you. I think they'll survive, because they've proven that crushing them will be a very bloody affair and no one except IS (which is losing and scares the shit out of everyone) wants to do it badly enough to try.
Yes, even Turkey.
Levi Young
Closest thing I've found to a resource is /r/rojava
Also the links shown in thelionsofrojava.com
Blake Sullivan
Ergodan would totally do it though, he just can't be that overt without losing Turkey's NATO status.
Liam Wilson
Huh, it looks like a couple of pages from the site are still up somehow.
thelionsofrojava.com
Nathan Morales
it was stated a few weeks ago on /r/ rojava that they have problems getting people across the border so they have shut down the website for now. Also check out /r/rojava, it's actually a good subreddit with 90% of the users being socialists
Brody Nguyen
Which border? I read on some news site that they enter Rojava via Iraq. I just searched /r/rojava and now PDK are being cunts and closing the border, is that right?
Nathan Long
crimethinc.com
Interesting bit by crimethink
Adam Hughes
The ypg did the clever realpolitic move recently and started attacking the Syrian rebels and Al Nusra. Now they have some assurances from Russia to arm them and diplomatically support them in the long run.
I think the US has moved away from Turkey's Erdogan quite a bit, and wouldn't allow another conflict to open up in Syria, since what they want is to basically split Syria into three parts. Also I think the US views Erdogan more and more as a rogue player and not really as an ally in the region.
Hunter Morales
youtube.com
Video by an ancap talking about how Rojava, completely missing the point or the fact that Rojava is a libertarian socialist experiment.
Brandon Murphy
yeah but now they're under blockade from KRG and Turkey. How are they going to survive if they're fucked on every side?
Jackson Evans
International support, same as the zapatistas, thats the only reason the Mexican government didn't just kill everyone, they had huge international support.
They only way Rojava survives is with our support.
Isaiah Perry
gonna bump this
Bentley Collins
Not too bad.
James Clark
that's a really dumb and lazy justification for what Rojava has done. Jesus Christ.
Ryder Reyes
check your fucking muh privilege, filthy sectarian
Lucas Brooks
Please consider suicide.
Ayden Allen
They came very close to being based before deciding to side with the Islamists against the SAA.
Isaac Hall
Fixed it for you.
Connor Smith
this has nothing to do with Bordiga. Reading Marx would be enough to debunk the supposed socialism in Rojava.