Commune Starting Thread No. 503451

The Federation of Egalitarian Communities is working on a how-to guide for building communes that share their resources and labor.

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Well, if by "income-sharing" they mean "sharing your wage", then I don't see the point. The first goal of a commune in my opinion, is escaping the wage system. We need to list our needs and think about how to fulfill them without selling our labor. Stuff like internet or electricity require money tho, so we probably gonna need a non-wage income (making games or stuff on the internet with a kickstarter, selling our potatoes, asking for solidaritybux…). The legal stuff must be thought in terms of efficiency. Do we squat unoccupied houses? Do we buy the property? If so, how can we be sure that the designated owner won't back stab others?

Also, let's do it in the country. An urbane commune would not have enough space for farming/prepping.

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The problem is that, while within the capitalist system, any communal movement would still require capital, in order to buy land and import initial resources. Even a self-sufficient community requires initial investment, and that means wage incomes. It'd be great if communes could be established in rural areas on a larger scale, and obtain enough farmland/housing/industrial space to create a self-sufficient economic network that could function without money or interacting with the larger economy.

Maybe I'll get involved. Can't believe I lived near Louisa for so long, and then the year I find out it's full of communes and shit I move away.

Capital is indeed a problem, this is why squatting sounds good, or looking for really cheap property. As for machinery, if we can't afford the traditional agricultural stuff we could rely on other method of farming. For industrial it might be more complex tho, unless 3D printers become a thing.

Pokemon is not for sexual.

I'm interested in starting a commune, but seriously not another fucking "we fucked off to the country and struggled to farm enough crops to make it through the winter for the last eight years and have zero growth to show for it". They achieve literally nothing for advancing socialism and in many cases require even more work per person than to live under capitalism. I'm not going back to primitive communism to escape capitalism. Fuck that.

It'd be great if communes started springing up in the central, rural US, around all those areas full of unemployed workers shooting drugs and killing themselves. Include a bit of farmland and a factory producing some primary good, start selling stuff on the market with a provision that you'd trade for free with any other communes. The important part is to make it larger than just a few dozen people, and include technology and infrastructure beyond just a few houses and gardens. Hopefully there's enough industrial infrastructure left in this fucking country to make small-scale production of basic necessities an achievable goal for a commune network in the future.

Basic necessities imo :

Will be nice to have but can live without :

Also, it will be difficult to organize a Holla Forums commune because we are probably too scattered around the globe. This thread is more of a think tank for those interested in such a project, but the execution will have to be done in your own country.

speak for yourself

Are you serious

It would be great if such communes ever got anywhere. Have you ever looked into what happens with them though? Their growth is so razor thin that most of them basically can't accept new members. The requirements to join them are invariably stringent and limited to a handful of people every few years. You wouldn't be able to actually help the people in the rural areas, all you end up with from an external perspective is another small farm that sells product.

shiggela diggela, etc

Sports gear and dishwashers aren't basic necessities m8

what is modern ag machinery? why can't they be used in local sustainable ag in communes?

That's because there's like 12 of them currently in the U.S. with thousands of people applying and no infrastructure between them and other non-exploitative infrastructures.

They are meant to be local, many and interconnected, not a vacation spot.

I been shuffling this scenario
Nuclear war wipes off a country, we wait for the radiation to fade out and then colonize it

Very simple but the logistics and implications are way more complicated.

Have read the works of J. Posadas?

buump you dense mofos. I want this to happen :(

Yeah now that I think about it, we will need it for recruiting, dank OC and getting that paypal dosh.

Does somebody here knows a bit about farming? We have to do the maths to find out how much space we need per person.


ayy lmao

Farming is actually bretty easy to get into. Building greenhouses and so on. You have the whole internets to teach you how.

However, you do need some initial capital, in order for everyone not to starve before you can produce any food.

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What environment would you choose for your commune user?

+Easy socialization and recruitment
+Access to any kind of items
-Not a lot of space for farming
-Expensive housing
-Law enforcement make it impossible to squat

+Large area for farming and hunting
+Cheap housing, squatting is easier
-Isolation can make life boring
-Less infrastructure

+Nobody will come to bother you
+Free fruits, fishes and water
+Cool tropical/pirate aesthetics
-Wildlife can be dangerous
-Expensive to buy and travel to/from
-Staring from scratch (no infrastructure)

See countryside, but with less oxygen and warmth

Doing it in the country seems the best option, preferably near a river. So maybe looking for isolated ghost towns and move in all at once. We must find a way to have access to electricity and the internet despite being isolated.

definitely countryside, culturalmutualism :^)

Why do you all want to farm? You will have to buy some stuff anyway, so why not the food?

The basic necessities must be produced by the commune itself, so that during the global crisis/collapse we won't die because supermarkets will be empty.

If you guys want to create a commune you guys probably should organize IRL to avoid creating another Detroit Commune scenario. Anonymity pretty much guarantees the destruction of a project like this.

Ok so squatting or buying? How likely are we going to be expelled if we start living on unoccupied government or private property that nobody care about anymore? And where could we find a list of such properties?


Alright pepe :/\)


Yeah this thread is more for sharing ideas, of course it's way easier to do it with comrades you already know and talk to IRL.

For better or worse, anarkids always find such places. the one that I go for coffee when am in Athens is an exemption. They are all islands in a see of capitalism. Once the system stops functioning, where are they gona find food and so on, inside a city?.

The problem is, eventually the state desides that "we need that building back" and it takes it back.

Aren't there already set … however you call them.. such places where you live?

… So you want the state to tell you "here. Have a list of my possesions that you can use without giving me anything".
What do you think the state is? Socialist?

They are fucking irrelevant as a sociopolitical force. They aren't even interconnected, and 12 "local" things (here meaning that the people living three miles away don't know they exist) is a completely irrelevant thing. They might as well not exist and nothing would be any different. Going from 12 to 13 will be equally irrelevant. And that's assuming there's even 12 left by the time this new commune comes into existence.

That's why the country seems more appealing.

No, I never mentioned the state.

Well the only one that has lists of state properties .. .. I THE STATE!

Also locals that know what each building is and so on.

Good luck finding unexploited land that belongs to noone.

So buying it is then, we have to find cheap land and build on it.
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