Please "green pill" me, leftypol, on green party and Jill

It's a matter of the lesser evil. Clinton gets elected, we have 8 years of her and she's sure to start a war or two. Trump gets elected and he'll either get impeached or assassinated and his VP will only have one term.

I don't believe in lesser evil theory, you are probably Holla Forums user.

What is important is person's dignity. Don't let your vote to be stolen by filthy american two party system. Its broken, and any leftypol user can see, in terms of corporate enslavement, Trump is not better than Hillary.

Well, you will get rid of muslims and spics for a few years, they will return as legal citizen later, and america start more infiltration in middle east, then what? Then it will become no different from Hillary's regime.

ISIS is a political tool of the right wingers, and you are still falling for it.

This. I totally agree with you. We need total free market anarchy. We need to be completely individualistic, look after our own self-interests, encourage cut-throat competition. Get a job, moran!

Also market will exist as it is because of corporation control anyway. You can't do with them brainwashing everyone into buying garbage, unless you go full communism and kill people for making branded products.

She has nearly the same policies as Sanders' current campaign platform though maybe a bit more progressive in certain areas (she wants to not just have free college but wipe out all the current student debt). She also supports the creation of laws to encourage the creation and sustainability of worker coops, so despite what some of the hardliners on this board want to believe, that makes her a democratic socialist and not just a social democrat.

Unfortunately, she sometimes goes on about stupid crap like reparations. But Bernie goes on about that gender wage gap garbage too every now and then so you can't win em all.

Most importantly, the Green Party has a stronger history than other third parties and would be the best option to present a showing of solidarity against the current slime in the Democratic Party and they could become a real power thanks to federal funding if they get just 5% of the votes in November.

Well, that's shit. Why not making education completely free? What's the problem with that?

This

But her problem for me is her science policies. anti-Nukes, anti-GMOs and Holistic Medicine bullshit are all strong in the Green Party

Sir. I completely agree with you. Anyone who even suggests there might be a better system must be the stereotypical image of a communist who wants to kill people for making branded products. You are definitely on to something, my friend. Don't tread on me, Big Government!

Tell me again, why are you voting for Trump, faggot?

The Green Party platform can always be changed you know. It's always been a sort of party run from the bottom up through grassroots support. In fact there's a socialist plank that was reviewed by Richard Wolff about to be inserted into the national platform right now.

What's wrong with giving people a choice, when you're leaving capitalism you can't just go full communism in a western society. We're better off starting with an economy like flag related

Wow, that's exactly what i want.

What the fuck is that?
What. Okay, maybe i'l try to understand it that sustaining mental health is just as important as physical one.

Well, i see nothing wrong. Except the fact it doesn't cater my views on materialism, but it isn't bad for the government. If only health care is actually free.

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Okay, let me breath a little…

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Read more Lenin, faggot.

It's all a plot form the Atlantean. You must align your charkhas according to the 5th tablet of the Malamute episcopal record and if you can find your way across the solar plan you will see by yourself. Do not trust the voices you will hear on your journey for they are the chitin puppets of the demiurge.

Holistic medicine means you can cure a bleeding ass-cancer by smearing smegma on your chakra-spirit-animal and meditating.

Oh. Then she is also that retarded?

Not really, I'm not even sure I've ever seen her say anything about holistic medicine.

I don't know if she is a direct practicioner or believer, but I think she just has an attitude of generic liberal "open-mindedness" towards holistic medicine compounded by Big Pharma narratives.

Still a serious failure of critical thought that makes me less eager to commit to voting for her.

Not seeing the problem with this one. The capitalist pharmaceutical industry that lets some fucker jack up the price of AIDS medication just because he can is one of the greatest cancers on health care.

The problem as with all sensationalist hippy-left narratives is that their grievances are exploded into justifications for fraudulent bullshit. Big Pharma being sinister doesn't mean homeopathy works, but that is more or less the conclusion that Stein and others like her have allowed themselves to reach by not thinking very deeply or seriously about the subject.

I suppose you're right about misdirected paranoia, if that really is the case and origin of it.

So basically you are shilling for Trump, admit it. No facts, no ideology but "i think" type of argument.

You know Nazi faggots too "think", that Trump will become next Hitler.

What you think is not important, but facts.

So you don't believe in science and you don't understand how people raised under a capitalist system work?

Science does not think.

People who think that Nuclear Power and evolved plants are bad don't think, people who believe in Chakras don't think, people who believe that your average American will accept a removal of commercialism don't think

People raised under capitalism can indeed experience shock from communist values. When they see how glorious they are.

Imagine if you are trying to preach communism somewhere in texas. Who would be first to kill you?

You can't work with those people easily. That's why Russia had sudden and instant change. Orthodox "christians" were pressured and gotten rid of. It was all done in few years. And you are saying to me its hard to make capitalist pigs to understand communism, when literal religious faggots were rekt under lenin's rule.

Its actually easy to make people completely change their ideology.

So the fact that I am making the best available inferences based on the limited availability of Stein's statements on homeopathy and her past affiliations and sentiments means I support Trump? What?

I've heard some baffling non-sequiturs in my time, but this one takes the cake. Stein believes in homeopathy as a valid healthcare practice, the exact reasons are unclear, and homeopathy is bullshit. I leave it to you to figure out how this is utterly unrelated to support for Trump.

So you just want to throw people into gulags

True communism takes generations to evolve, throwing people into prison camps and lining them up against the wall is sociopathic

Which are what exactly? Got a source on any of this?

Okay, i understand that Stalin went too far on it, but who are you yourself anyway? Why you are wearing yugoslavia flag?

You know, that under no strict rule communism can easily fall under anarkiddie rule where most powerful and strong guy rules them all?

YOU HAVE TO PUT INTO PRISON PEOPLE WHO ARE AGAINST YOUR GOVERNMENT FOR THE SAKE OF PEOPLE WHO YOU WANT TO KEEP SECURE!

Try to claim that you are against it, try to claim that you are for "free speech", when free screech can mean rich getting on all the goods again!

Oh i am so tired of traitors here. And Holla Forums is full of people who would never support completely lefty government. This is just embarrassment.

Its like i am in troll lake of Holla Forums.

reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/zs2n3/i_am_jill_stein_green_party_presidential/

"muh big pharma is why homeopathy is held back"

Just what America needs, another science denier running for office.

I think you're reading a little too much into that statement to be honest.

How does that even work, so free speech will make them rich again?

Anyways we need to create a system that will be popular with people and transitory to later forms of socialism and eventually communism. If you give people the right to the fruits of their labor and get rid of the bourgeois class we'll be better off.

If you just create state socialism and kill anyone who disagrees with you you're just fucking things up and you'll become unpopular.

Your ideology seems to be benefiting liberal degenerates that don't want their own country to be greater, yet more beneficial to their sexual dreams.

Do you post here frequently?

I do want my country to be greater though, I just think we need to transition, we can't just have a rapid change that leads to a pile of dead bodies.

Yeah, I just started using this flag though, are you upset this can't be your little firing squad torture chamber?

Did you just drop a potential presidential candidate just because the majority of Holla Forums, as explained by an individual poster, doesn't support her, and one faggot told you to kill yourself? Jesus, we don't need this torture chamberism in our board. Read up on her yourself, find out her policies and history, and make up your own decision. Fuck.

The problem we are facing right now, the problem of right winged capitalism and failure of an ideology, that tried to pretend that it benefits everyone, that is presented in Donald Trump alone right now, should lead to real pile of dead bodies if we want our ideology to survive, or else that "pile of dead bodies", will be ours.

Pacifists aren't communists, and they never were ones. Because they don't understand until we get one world government under the entire planet, we aren't getting stateless society.

I am wondering how many people understand here that world order must be communist one, instead of nwo shit that is being preached now?

All you want, yugoslav faggot, is to build false communism that will fail instantly when anybody who will have more power will take over it.

It your type of ideology would exist in 1939, you would probably would stand for fascists taking over USSR.

Its kill or be killed, don't you understand how capitalists wage wars?!?! Look at bourgeoisie they have right now.

Clinton is worse on that m8, but what can be expected of a mentally deranged tankie. We can't fight wars like the bourgeoisie fight wars, we have to be empathetic. do you even know what empathy is or did you fall into communism because you were just an angry contrarian?

So, you are voting for Trump? Just accept the fact that you are a fucking Holla Forums false flag shill, and i'l stop browsing this thread.

Instead we must defeat bourgeoisie for the sake of the entire humanity and our planet.

I'm not voting for either, what I'm saying is they both represent right wing capitalism. Clinton is just more draconian about it.

Yeah, and we don't defeat the bourgeoisie by killing everyone who disagrees with full communism

Yugoslavia fag, you aren't really for revolution methods, aren't you? You would think revolution would hurt people and that's why its bad?

I'm pro-revolution, I just think we need to create a system that is palatable to the majority instead of a system that fits a cookie-cutter model.

Do you even understand that during revolution you lead civil war to literally kill people for your ideology?

Oh how i am tired of people who born during late 20 century. Oh how i am tired of you.

You are probably for tolerance and pacifism.

Not discussing ideology with you anymore, bye bye.

Nice rage quit.

I'm not for tolerance and pacifism, I just understand not all countries are the same, but we should all reach for communism. I've lived in the US my whole life, I know how the US works, I know that Americans like the illusion of choice and getting rid of that choice rapidly is only going to lead to a counter-revolution.

Thoughts for diminishing counter revolutionary forces in burgerland post revolution

Legalize pot, ecstasy, acid and other comparatively harmless drugs, ie if less harmful than tobacco or grog legalize it

Also make pirating movies music etc legal

Does that sound like more choice?

I just think we can do all that without fully instantly getting rid of consumerism. It needs to be phased out. People like their choices in this country, we're better off starting with worker co-ops and gradually going down the path to socialism imo.

Also nothing's stopping the pirating from happening, no one's stopping people from having pot at this point.

The only way to really prevent a counter revolution in America is to start off with worker control, the American attitude is too geared towards reaping what you sow and individual "choice" to just get rid of that and collectivize instantly like the other user was saying.

There is a clash between socdems and demsocs in the party. In some southern Green Party states there exist conservatives in the states parties. Socdems in the party are winning nationally. This in contrast to the battle between right-socdem and left-socdem imperalists in the Dem Party. Green politics is hard to tie down as the parties vary wildly between countries.

I'll be voting for Stein this year
Put in a few hours to get her on the ballot in my state.

As if we have options besides Green, Dem, Repub, and Lib?

Stein is the figurehead for the Green Party's movement from eco-capitalism to eco-socialism in the U.S.. Her first campaign manager being a socialist and her running mate being an SPUSA member.

The GP is voting on a socialist plank this month.

I mean demsocs are winning in the party nationally. Those terms.. jesus I'm tired of using them.

Just read her policies and make up your mind. It's not hard. Or you can just not vote too.

jill is hot tbh

I never thought so until I heard her dumb slutty sounding voice. Hot af.