On "Civic Nationalism"

Ok guys, so it seems like a lot of people in real life are starting to become something like "civic nationalists". We have a lot of "far right" leaders gaining power in Europe and America (Trump, Le Pen, Farage, Jimmie Åkesson, etc.), but none of them are Hitler. This is a problem if your goal is to reverse white demographic decline, because none of these leaders are going to do enough to reverse the trend, which requires mass-deportation and retroactive revocation of citizenship from minorities (a tough sell, politically speaking).

How do we go from bringing back "nationalism" like this, to convincing the voting base to adopt explicit ethno-nationalism? What is the best way to ensure that people don't just stop at this cucked, watered-down version of nationalism but keep moving farther to the right on issues like immigration?

Why would anyone see civic nationalism as a problem? First you go there, then the People discover that virtually all minorities hate America and commit treason against her on a daily basis, then ethno-Nationalism takes hold.

BLM and some of those other shitlib groups are already starting that process - they can't help themselves. As for what we can do to push it along, "traitor" needs to become a serious part of our vocabulary again. Push it harder than raycism has ever been pushed, punish people, shame them. You don't need to identify it as a racial thing at first, people will put two and two together on their own once they start seeing (((who is responsible))).

We're going in the right direction. Keep calling out cucks and traitors.

Remove jew from the premises. Get the leftists to hate the jew by pointing out their domination of Wall Street and what not

Build a Wall and stop importing Mudslimes for one.

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The obvious irony of civic nationalism is that it doesn't come from within the nation. It's given to you by the french on a statue that says "yeah bring your poor and sick over here, we'd love to be a country full of those people" and then we act like that's our identity. What people have to come to realize is that America didn't decide for itself to become 'the melting pot', the rest of the world hoisted that identity upon us. If they realize that (not holding my breath) they might second guess the nature of multiculturalism and we can start making progress.

In the meantime, fascism unfortunately persists as the sole bleach-like solution to civic nationalism, since it's the values of individualism and open democracy that make civic nationalism seem so patriotic to people. Under the current conditions, you'd have to remove democracy itself in order to address the issue. I'm not as thrilled about that outlook as some Holla Forumsacks are, which is why I really hope we can find a way to get across to these people soon.

Now that the middle class is all but gone, they may not be as receptive to 'decent human bean' politics as they were in the civil rights era, and BLM may be the tipping point we're looking for. On the other hand, if it doesn't work this time there will likely be no democratic options left.

Hegelian Dialectic works both ways. Sinead. Meme Magic is real. Prais Kek

CIVIC NATIONALISM DOES NOT AND CAN NOT EXIST. IT IS A SHITPOST MEME FROM BRIT/pol/

It has been taken and co-opted by (((/INTL))) kikes and is also called: lolbergtarian nationalism.

REPORT + HIDE + SAGE

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You can sort of see the delusion creeping in on this board. I don't know if they are genuine posters or narrative enforcers being paid to shill, but the shift is real and it's a death sentence for the West.

The British vales/conservative values/American values/Republican values shit is a deliberate subversion program.

I hope people really do understand that if Trump is elected [and not to just focus on Trump, you could easily apply this to anything going on in the UK and Brexit] and all that happens is a wall and a few million hardened criminals get deported, this country is doomed.

You will get a lightened tax burden for a term [probably not two terms] before the nation is totally lost to non-White communism.

I'm getting really tired of you fucking strawman shitposters.

I swear we had this thread last month. This same exact thread. Am I being Berensteined?

reality is cyclical

I kinda think it is retards that got lured in by the Trump campaign and thought they were in good company with other civic nationalists

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then someone else must have written what I just wrong verbatim or you're going through some time-travel fuckery lol

that's what worries me. I'd like it to get to a point where people are not willing to compromise by merely building a wall, but actually want to overtly stop the demographic displacement altogether.

relax fam, I'm just using it as a shorthand for 'people who call themselves nationalists by don't argue for White countries being White'.

When the illegals are removed and the only non-whites left are "legal," the public will see for themselves that it isn't enough to just be American.

Niggers gonna nig, beaners gonna bean, mudslimes gonna jihad… and normies will notice. They will also grow increasingly tired of the incessant whining by minorities (and the white liberals who whine on their behalf) especially the blacks. The mexicans that took "your" low-paying jobs (actually the jobs of poor whites) are gone, so why the fuck haven't you got a job, black man, or at the very least STOP FUCKING WHINING? etc.

We as white people haven't done anything bad enough recently (hitler, muh trail of tears, etc.) that would warrant the pendulum to swing the other way re: guilt. People aren't going to go back to feeling bad until something actually BAD happens. More and more people are starting to understand that just because TV man says your bad doesn't mean you actually are.

Keep exposing niggers et al. Keep sharing stories, hatefacts, being unapologetically proud to be white, etc.

This isn't a quick solution but it's the only feasible one. You are not going to brute force normies into this

By the jews actually, not even joking
The statue of liberty poem and the play: The Melting Pot were written by jews

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France is basically synonymous with Jews ever sense 1789. Its the one European nation more poz'd then Sweden or Britain combined.

You don't go from complaining to all out war over night, stupid.

Patience.

Civic nationalism can be a problem because there's people who go there and then steadfastly refuse to put two and two together and attempt to work against ethno-nationalism. Thankfully this is becoming less of a problem as time wears on since we scoop up moderates pretty easy when they see Jamal waving his gun around and realize that they are next.

Have fun making everyone turn away from any form of nationalism.

Civic nationalism is a start. The further right they go, the more they'll be exposed to the redpill. Let them have their gateway drug. The left took 100 years to get where it is today. We have a lot of ground to catch up on.

Those people would have gone against ethno-nationalism regardless of whether or not they went civic nationalist. Some people, civic nationalism is basically it. There's no going right from there. You'll find this in boomers and older Gen Xers in particular. Their minds tend to be more made up.

Found the illiterate troglodytes. The OP is warning about this stopping at civic nationalism. But somehow you have managed to interpret that as "wait for Hitler" and a lolbergtarian love letter.

This, it's a natural progression. From conservatism, to civic nationalism to ethic nationalism.
Race must gradually become a bigger part of the discussion. People must know that these people aren't just culturally incompatible, but also genetically.

One of the most dangerous obstacles here is liberals parading token minorities and then pretending they represent their people as whole. People must know that these individuals are the exception to the rule.

Nope. Not in America. The next step after civic-nationalism is more freedom of association
But to base citizenship on 23&me metrics? Na, only in Europe.

I don't know if the bongs are trolling us with the civic nationalist shit or they are actually serious, hard to tell with them

Not even a nationalist, he doesn't even want to stop mudflood and has somehow amazingly managed to fill the leadership with literal jews. NRM only decent choice. Civic nationalism is no step at all.

And yet, it's exactly what's happening. Whenever the public discussion heads into the direction of race or Jewish influence the (((alt-right))) guides it back into kosher territory.

Thus making it all about Muslim immigration, while still opening up the door for dozens of millions of Latinos, Africans and other token "christian" minorities to swarm over the borders.

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Something something overton window

Shes still pretty cute for 3d

No. It's not retards. Genuine posters on former boards I considered good are now civic nationalists. Usually, they are American (funnily enough, not British).

For instance there is a post over on MyPostingCareer that is massively liked stating that America is both factually, and normatively should be, whites, Indians, and blacks. Then they blame shit like SCALE. Scale has nothing to do with it, since the mechanism of multiculturalism and mass immigration would wreck shit on a local level anyway, as that is what it does. Per Putnam and Charles Tilly separate works, it wrecks social trust networks by isolating nodes/people no matter what sort of level you are working at. Civic nationalism with multiple ethnicities would lead us to just the same predicament, since it is the ethnic component that drives the network and kin breakdown. This is irrespective of one's normative views of ethnic nationalism.

As per usual, the greatest step to overcoming all our problems (Jews, civic nationalist cucks) are good goy Americans (both left and right wing). The greatest thing that could happen for the planet to rollback jewry and multiculturalism would be for America to collapse and lose its power projection in the media, academia, diplomacy, and military. Once that happens, lots of countries with shit militaries will be forced to fight their pissed off populations with no American or Jewish tut-tutting or meddling.

"Civic nationalism" is a new invention, a word created out of whole cloth in the 1990s. It used to be called "bourgeois nationalism" back in the day.

I think it's certainly an improvement over current affairs in the Anglosphere and Europe, and it may be as far as some people are able to go, so there's that.

As long as being a "bourgeois nationalist" is outside the Overton window on our side of it, I'll not denigrate it too much, but it's not where I'd like us to end up.

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go back to your containment thread, britkike

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kys faggot

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Shameful tbh

Kill yourself cucked faggot, back to your normalfag websites for you.

He's a brit/pol/ shitposter. Ignore him

And there you have it. No one group manages to build enough power to challenge the jew.

i don't know the implications for organizing on a larger scale, but i'd rather hold views than wear labels.

I bet you don't even support
BASED ISRAEL

Do you have a mental impairment?

what is it about banterless yanks getting so butthurt

Civic-nationalism isn't even nationalism.

It's just an evolution of the neo-con.

And to continue, the civic-nationalists are utter cancer. They are still as PC as the liberals, even moreso because all time they spend on justifying their position to those that aren't "evil".

Make no mistake, they are still willing to defend feminism, degeneracy and immigrants as long as they aren't commiting crime.

I want her.
Ah, slav women…

I'm pretty sure she's half nip

They are called traitors. They would be deported at best and executed at worst depending on what dangers they brought to the state. It's not a hard concept.

Saved.

Civic nationalism is statist faggotry in disguise.

Literally this.

Man I miss the days when all chan posters were real people

Look I don't think it'll stop at Trump
Like how years of Socialism shoved down our throats gets Sanders and Corbyn accepted as pretty mainstream, the window of Trump winning will open to let people like Duke, and the Deputy of AfD to get in, hell even people like you
Take Trump as an opportunity to try and become Hitler 2.0

Where the fuck did this start from?

I was a civic nationalist before I went full Holla Forums

It's a process and this is the first step.

It's so they can be a bit more politically incorrect and go "I'm not racist, but…"

They usually always become ethnic nationalists or straight up white supremacists within about 3-5 years.

On here it's irresponsible memeing for the most part.