Cops / Police

There wouldn't even be a police force during the dictatorship of the proletariat, let alone in a communist society. During the DoP the entire able bodied proletariat would be organised into a worker's militia and they would carry out enforcement directly, instead of naively relying on a group with power of the proletariat. In a communist society the community polices itself, insofar as it needs to be done at all.

Of course. How else are the petite bourgeois shits advocating market socialism going to have their property protected?

Yes, this is why cops keep the other gang green for themselves and sell it to people. They are totally not trying to stop people to murder each others or to just take whatever they want.

You know you won't enforce communism without a strong police, do you?

Tell me more about how everyone is going to be peaceful once no one will be pointing a gun at them to prevent rape, murder and looting.

If that's what your socialism will look like then I'm pretty sure that you're not that kind of socialist I am.

You're trying to be sarcastic, but the CIA is funded by drug money and civil asset forfeiture is the pigs' favorite pastime. They really are a lot like gangs when you look at it.

So, you are the kind of socialist who think he can tell other people what to do and they will do it? You need a very large part of the population to have your political stance, and this is never going to happen.

Last time I checked, the CIA was funded by tax money. I am not denying they are involved into trouble business, but making money for their own good is simply not what they do.

nope, I just realize that human behavior can't be abstracted from the conditions surrounding humans. Meaning that capitalism and only capitalism is responsible for what you call criminal behavior. In socialism the conditions for violence based on property will be inexistent due to the fact that there is no property in socialism.

Never is quite a long time.

Nobody makes money purely for the sake of making money. They make money so they can increase their power and spread more violence around the world. Overthrowing democratically elected foreign governments isn't cheap. Their motivations are primarily ideological.

Ever heard of something called individual propriety?
Ever heard of something called rape? Or maybe my own ass is not my own anymore and I have to give every worker a share?
And have you only heard of ego? It is a thing people have that give them an urge to be above others. Bullies at schools don't bully for money or material conditions. Now imagine they are grown up, organized in gangs and have guns.

So, you think politicians care about ideologies? We are in democracy here, they care about their own career.

I knew there would be a lot of bullshit over this.

This is the reason why I hate when people argue for the existence of "individual property". Yeah, obviously you'll have a fucking toothbrush and a TV but if you really believe that in a society where everyone could get essentialy what they want that your flatscreen will be stolen then god help me
yeah, part of the capitalist patriarchy. Communism means women's liberation too.
what a futile argument. Even trivial things like an "ego" or school violence are influenced by material conditions. Capital has subsumed our life in its totality, everything is influenced by capital, probably even the way we take a shit. Now if people are violent towards each other then it's the product of 24/7 full fucking alienation and estrangement, leading to mental stress and thus to violence.
I'm not trying to say that violence will be inexistent in socialism, but it will be GREATLY reduced to the extent were police force and jails aren't necessary.

Sorry, I was talking about my own ass. Feminist told you the urge men have to release sexual tension is caused by money because they know a lot about men but they forgot to tell you about homosexuality and that idea that being on top is not gay.

Sure, if everyone can get whatever he want because wealth just appear no one would steal my shit, but if you know a way to get free things appearing just like that without lot of had work needed I forgot about politic and I sign.

Jobless people are violent too, yet they do not see the product of their work being taken away. People are soulless jerks. They will take advantage of you if they can and this predate even the idea of capitalism. Capitalism is the rule everywhere and at every age because it fit human nature, not because it shaped human nature. Look at all the communist or anarchist experience larger than a village.
What is the communist proper way to shit?

not him, but can you expand on how rape is largely a byproduct of capitalism?

Nobody will be a cop. Because everybody will be a cop.

The anarchy and exploitation in capitalist production lead to the crime we have and the forms of state repression we have.

The problem is, the pro-police folks and anti-police folks are talking past each other. The pro-police folk deem things IMPOSSIBLE out the gate, like moving past petty theft and rape and strictly interpersonal offenses (instead of inter-race or inter-class). The anti-policers think there is a silver bullet of policy and organization.

Unless there is some sort of complete social breakdown that leaves capitalism/the economy in tact without police, there will need to be some sort of socialist state in the process of decay as it organizes production along socialist, planned lines and represses saboteurs and capitalist elements.

Truth is, we don't need these military-style armed bodies of men and humvees and automatic rifles to prevent and stop things like rape, petty-theft, petty violence. We need education and ideology and maybe resurrecting the shamanic traditions, psychedelics, like Huxley's "Island". We need to use our imagination, so we can fashion a goal to pursue. Lenin once said we could have no bureaucrats since everyone will be a bureaucrat. Let's have no one be a cop, because everyone will be a cop. Through education and ideology everyone should be made capable of protecting the social whole. Yes, I am going full Platonic philosopher-kings on your asses, where every prole is a philosopher king

Realistically, we need to have a state to suppress the bourgeoisie (defining the state here as an instrument of class suppression). This is not mutually inclusive of a Party. But it is mutually inclusive with "Smash the state". "Force is the midwife" kinda stuff. We literally just need to do it better by having better ideology that understands the necessity of the state's death. We already have better material conditions. The bourgeoisie and state just need to be weakened like in Russia. We are faced with the same situation Lenin was in when he formulated the 'party of a new type', we need a new type again. And need to make a state that like (I think) Engel's said, would not be a state in the proper sense of the term. Sorry for rambling.

I really got carried away there, even repeating myself. Please change 'Truth is' to 'My opinion is'…

Look. is half-full of BS. But so are you.

equally BS.

Simple, in tribal culture yet untouched by capitalism, rape is only much more prevalent than here.

You don't know how much I want the young people breaking things in the street while branding themselves as anarchist to understand that.

Anarchy is when the institution of the police is over, not when there is no cops around. This is what we call savagery.

There can be no Anarchy, until mankind has progressed enough to be able to control itself.

Transhumans with machines in the brain?

Anarchy, enrforced by robo-cops, programmed to maintain anarchotranshumanist, communist utopia?

I'd rathe keep being leninist.

copcuck PLS go back to Holla Forums

I never saw robocop as an anarchist, I don't know why. Is Dreed an anrar too?

Placing killers into a cage so they could not kill people save lives.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Culture
That's a fairly ideal vision of what an anarchist/libertarian post-scarcity society could look like.

Since when did any cops get put in cages? The worst they get for murdering people in cold blood is a slap on the wrist and a paid vacation.

Why do you not believe made up polyp statistics about black on black violence

Why, SURE!
He is Makhno 2.0!

I'm joking.
Ofcourse there can be no policeless society.
That's what Anarchy is a state not called a state.
t. Leninist.

The killers who take the most lives are free and in power. They include the cops. These ebil horrible murderers the right wing wants you to be spooked are a joke compared to politicians, soldiers, and police officers.

Might as well praise ISIS because they execute some murderers in their society. Without ISIS, those areas would be overrun by psycho killers, amiright?

>Entire thread full of burgers arguing based on their dysfunctional shithole

Your argument is that cops are just as bad as ISIS? I am too tired to show you how many people are killed by cops and by gangs alone, feel free to ask Google if you want to know.

Not a burger.
Still think cops cause far more harm than good.

Then feel free to live in a country without cops, like Somalia.

Holla Forums, fuck off pls. "national" socialism is not socialism.

Somalia has cops in all but name. The various warlords certainly employ heavies to deal with undesirables.

Policemen here.
Consider entryism. Crime is after all a bourgeois thing. And we can't do shit, because majority of the police are right-wing radicals and the higher ups are laying stones in your way, if you are close on a tail of major crimes.
In the most extreme case, they kill you and claim suicide or accident.

And this is why, I'm more afraid of the police taking over, than the army creating a Junda.

To be honest, we let them take over.
Lefties here view the police as a bad thing in general. This leads to an under-representation.

I actually have to hide my power level at the police and the left party.
This is fucking suffering!

The trouble is that the police don't set the rules. How long do you think I'd keep my badge if I refused to arrest drug dealers, petty thieves, or people who break obscenity laws? It's as much a problem with the people who make the rules as it is with the police who enforce them.

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I don't disagree with either of you

Yeah it's likely people's militia will be necessary but they need to be among the ideological elite and we should proceed with the goal in mind.

I'm afraid that mankind won't be able to control itself before it's too late.

lol, so back to eye-for-an-eye tribalism then. Because that's what you'll get when "everyone is a cop".

Oh hell no. Single person with executive and judicial power? Hell no.

The rules are stupid and the way we make rules favors stupid rules.

Fucking what? We're not talking about random gangs of people running around fucking shit up, but the community policing itself in an organised manner. Notice how cops aren't exactly running around shooting each other? Now imagine a society where instead of a specialised body of violent thugs that lords it up over everyone else, every able bodied person has the training and discipline (and equipment) to deal with whatever problems arise.
That said, as society settles into communism and material conditions change, there will almost certainly be less violence and people will find themselves having to engage in such activity with decreasing regularity.

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Just to clarify, you mean with exactly the same powers that the police have today, or with extra judicial (see what I did there?) powers?