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The neoliberal propaganda.
It trully makes you want to defocate.
"THE FUTURE OF THE COMPANY, IS YOUR FUTURE! WHAT IS GOOD FOR THE COMPANY IS GOOD FOR YOU TOO! BE ONE WITH YURI!"
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Anyway,

AKBAR IS A HERO OF THE PEOPLE!

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You should buy Akbar a beer

You guys need to work in sigma six workplace. This is why capitalism cannot be stopped. sigma six man. You break the notion of class. Every person has a personal assessment of performance. there is base pay and performance rates on top of that. performance is based on evaluative criteria, often something that can be automatically evaluated.

So, neoliberalism?

In the end, this is not why capitalism fails.
Capitalism fails, when it can no longer reward because crisis.

Tell me more

Capitalism cannot fail because as a system, intrinsically within its operations, it encourages adaption. It is shape shifting, even though the underlying premise of profit remains the same. It's like a game of go, you can't exhaust it.

This system of management is utterly incredible. It removes the solidarity element by accepting that the workers aren't equal amongst each other and provides direct feedback to workers about their worth.

This style of managment was invented in japan. The whole thing about QR codes was created to enable this. Workers in japanese car factories would do their work, and then place a QR code and scan the part they casted. The part is then shipped to another work to incorporate into the car. That worker, in course of their regular duties, check if the part fits and what not (not rejected) and then scans that work part being done. Every step in the process of scanning and tracking the output of labor effectively validates that it is being done properly. They then reward workers based on how many rejects/accepted on top of base pay collected from this scanning and validation.

its utterly genius.

its applicable to a lot of jobs, from warehouse work (where your scanning device tells you your targets to meet and targets to gain performance rates) to construction, to anything where their can be data about the labor and a criteria to evaluate the output in a fail/pass way.

You cannot have infinite profit. At some point you run out of things to sell, or the people don't have enough to buy them.

Again, at some point it just has no more carots and just keeps beating you with the stick.

And untill when is the system gonna be saved by destruction of production through war?

The problem is, in the end, capitalism will fall by taking the world down with it.

If i remember correctly, before industrialization, scale couldn't have been achieved by traditional manufacturing where individuals would produce the products in their home and the merchants would collect it and sell it to market. The problem here was that there wasn't a means to streamline the process (which created the necessity for industrialization to meet demands) nor was there quality assurance (commodities must be equal). Informational technologies can shift the nature of labor while maintaining ownership of how one can get profit from it.

capitalism cannot be stopped. it will always adapt, even socialist worker co-ops in kurdistan needs support from a greater capitalistic framework.

YOU CANNOT HAVE INFINITE PROFIT!

I don't think you get economics. Profit isn't infinite, nor does it necessarily exist as accumulative over the long run. Capitalism doesn't require infinite profit, but requires the ability to always let someone extract more from something then what can be done by others.

The individual factory worker, or even workers as autonomous units, cannot extract, to borrow a term from SV, all that is on the table. This is where management can come in and extract that. It is utterly brilliant, if not scary. A world where independent workers do not have a social relationship to a firm, but are free agents, autonomous, required to produce commodities that are evaluated by pass/fail. No base pay. Worker co-ops having to buy equipment, invest time into specific education, to realize an output where they are sold to a small group of consumers for a commodity later sold to the rest of us.

Thanks for the information. I can totally see how that could destroy the effectiveness of worker co-ops and unions.

It's amazing how you can contradict yourself in a single sentence.

I honestly don't understand why marxist, even so-called marixst economists, cannot realize that capitalism NEVER required the conditions of infinite profit. it's a bad strawman. Capitalism requires a condition of alienation, of one unable to see themselves in the things they make. Sigma six does this to a new found perfection: pass/fail as dictated by a rational (perhaps even automated) evaluative system.

it isn't a contradiction if you abandoned the strawman of infinite profit and accept that value flows and even if there is flow, there is still accumulation. again, you ideologues are simple minded. It is telling how educated you are on how the economy actually works. Water is finite (with some exception, but in considering that exception, all matter is finite) and yet there are lakes and streams and creeks and it infintely flows.

Ah, the calling card of the ill-informed first-year economics student.

This is what you said:
This is why you have contradicted yourself.

Ok. Whatever you say.
Capitalism is not about capital creating new capital, reinvesting it and creating more capital to reinvest.

Ok.

The basic motive of capitalism is not what it is.

As you wish.

In fact, I indeed don't know economics. Maybe that's why I understand Capitalism.

please

lol, smug dismissal of basic facts.

i love it. I love how the the tools to best understand the economy, especially if you want change, are the very tools shunned by the folks who want to see that change the most.


that's your strawman bro. read what i wrote.


break it apart and try to comprehend the little bits first. it isn't difficult.

lol, this is a flow bro. a flow, can't you see it?

I love you guys.

It's like complaining about the oppressive of gravity and not understanding how gravity works, or why it works. or even attempting to understand it so you can better work with/around it. Socialists by far cannot see the real picture because you muh privilege explanations of injustice, looking for fault.


lol

You can keep saying every argument used against you is a strawman, it won't make it any more true or what you said any less retarded.

"Basic Facts"™

I wasn't even naysaying economics, just saying that's the classic line of a precocious know-it-all "economist" who does nothing but swallow dogma and perceives himself to have mastered the discipline.

you guys are so fucked. i feel so smug rn.


bro, you strawman my point. I stated and clarify it twice. You ignored it. I laugh at the fact you cannot distinguish the difference between a concept of absolute sums and how that is different from something can be infinite and yet not have more of something. Does zeno paradox blow your mind?


lol. you dislike people who know more than you, and whose knowledge isn't from the narrow confines of your dogmatic sycophants.

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Yes? That was the line I was replying to. Are you thick in the skull lad?

Nobody has strawmanned anything. It is only you who doesn't understand how Capitalism functions. Continue to live in your self-described smug bubble though.

and I reiterating that you are proving my point. You cannot, because you will not, enable or bring change. The very tools and means and understanding of how the system actually works is denied by you so viscerally.

I was strawmanned on my statement about profit as being an infinite flow vs as a net accumulative. I also mention how water is similar to this, how it can flow infinitely and yet we don't really have any more water (which is an overly simplistic statement on the conservation of mass). I also jokingly suggest you turds don't know zeno paradox.

again, a strawman is you misinterpreting my position for the effect of proving yourself right.

you guys are so sad.

Zeno conceptualised many paradoxes, there is no "Zeno Paradox". Thanks for confirming you are just dropping random pieces of trivia you don't actually understand to convey the image of intellectualism, though.

You're just screaming about strawmen where there was none. I can't help you anymore than this. I'm going to stop responding now and let you roll around in your own verbal diarrhoea content with yourself.

LOL. Didn't you misconstrued my argument and stated that I was contradicting myself? My whole point was that you can have infinite within finite. That's zeno's tortoise and achilles paradox.

So laughable. I love debating 'socialists'. The deflection, the attempt to maintain 'superiority'. If you knew the paradoxes, almost immediately you should recognize I am referring to. Keep deflecting and keep doing what you folks always do: turn away when you are forced to confront reality.

Hey, OP for the record, I had no problem with what you were saying. Why everyone started getting angry is beyond me.

They don't like someone correcting them that capital can be finite and yet infinite. They view this as a contradiction and they want to accept that this can't be anything other then the case, that this paradox isn't real but just faulty logic, because if they accept the possibility of the finite can be infinite (as a process) they sort of have to accept that capitalism can still keep going and that there isn't an inevitable collapse waiting, just waiting to happen.

granted, this is leftypol. I'm just shitposting in the same tradition of telling christians that god couldn't create humans because of evolution. christians cannot give up that position, lest they want an identity crisis.

OP, you might want to restart the thread or something, just saiyan

lol

the finite cannot be infinite, therefore thread is derailed, amirite?

lol

Have you heard of the laws of entropy, son?

Only abstractly, concretely to the best of our knowledge reality, to oversimplify it, appears to be quantized at the smallest scales

It's because they are a retarded idealist, like yui

Thought experiment, let us say six sigma as a process were to be implemented for all labor in a global planned economy with labor vouchers, where then is the capitalism?

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Funny, how we don't realy know why or how gravity works. :^)

This thread has become completely pointless as it is now pure Ideology.

you didn't even read the paradox. the system of capitalism is dependent on flow, not accumulation.

sigma six can't be the basis for a planned economy, it is just there for the relationship between firms and labor. firms still have to take the risk of investment, firms still have to function outside of a simplified evaluative criteria, someone still needs insight on how to extract more value. firms still have the invest according to those insights, and those insights come from an unequalness in knowledge and expertise. a planned economy would force all those within that economy and govern by sigma six to beholden to the bets made by their political leaders, bets that could turn out bad. All you would need to defeat consensus betting is a form of free market economics where risk is distributed and more actors beyond the state can make bets, but then benefits of those bets are sort of, like, not distributed according to political will.


that's you strawmanning. why not be more 'concrete' and state that nobody wants to acknowledge how the economic system actually works and would prefer to dismiss it as dogma because it goes against their dogma?

I'm not sure if that's true, but even if it is, I don't think it means we should ignore the other contradictions of capitalism. Surely you at least agree that capitalism is far from perfect. How am I supposed to just accept that?

STRAWMEN!
STRAWMEN EVERYWHERE!

Capitalism doesn't have to be a perfect system. It just has to be a system that can work with the intrinsic inequality that already exist. Regardless, the wet dreams of accelerationists of it going away due to tremendous internal 'contradictions' is very wrong. reform and channeling the dynamics and governing this adaptive system is sadly, most probably, our only option.


lel

God why

I D E O L O G Y

What is this retarded meme, stop saying it, it makes no sense and you never explain it.

Do you even understand LTV or markets? Read a fucking book. Literally, with an entertainment industry, you could trade jokes. I come up with a joke using my labor, and you come up with a joke with your labor, and those jokes have value because they have utility and require labor, and we trade jokes. You are a literal fucking retard. Even Marx read about Capitalism before sperging out.

God damn I hate you, you are an useless idiot and I wish you would support Trump so I could point at you and laugh at you, and say to my comrades, look how retarded that useless idiot it.

Fuck.

Op better be fucking lying, no way this is real.
I've got plenty of stories but I'm a minor so none of them are about the workplace.

this.
Do something good for the man.
Altruism breeds altruism.

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I support trump. He is the president america needs to rearrange the unsuccessful neoliberal order. He sort of spoke a taboo recently, the whole notion that economic power and security (political and economy) is linked, and how political benefit of american hegemony for the rest of the countries need to be paid for by their economic activity to sustain it. this is so different from the delusions of neoliberalism where, as somehow by magic, we will all transform to middle class economies driven by no barriers to trade (except, of course, those barriers that exist which stop people from realizing the whole 'profit' of things) and the world will be okay.

I wouldn't be so sure of that…

Glhf