what would you say is more important, the fight against nationalist reactionaries or capitalist bourgeoisie? considering the fact that the nationalists are obviously against our and their own interests by not fighting for the international working class, but they are usually consisted of working class people themselves, and they do seem to have an interest of overthrowing the capitalist state. while the bourgeoisie can sometimes consist of petit-bour who dont directly exploit the proles, but are against the reactionaries because obviously racism is bad for business.
Side with the nationalists. Unless you're one of those faggots that believes in the elimination of borders. Assuming you Marxists wouldn't try to back stab us, we could actually create a workers state if we worked together.
Ryder Foster
i would side with the nationalist reactionaries over the neoliberal capitalists any day. the nationalists at least care about something other than getting as much money to the rich as possible, and with that there is hope.
Caleb Cruz
Both ultimately are in cahoots against us, so it's still a two sided fight.
You can't get us to join forces with you. I remember how Hitler suppressed the German left.
Eli Perry
What makes you think I'm a Hitlerist?
Wyatt Murphy
Your flag m8.
Dylan Myers
Capitalist bourgeoisie are enemy number one.
Though more often than not, nationalists are all too happy to make common cause with the bourgeoisie in spite of populist anti-establishment rhetoric designed to seduce the proletariat.
The members tend to be working class, but the party leaders tend to be bourgeois. Remember that Nigel Farage was a banker
I'm a National-Socialist in the most literal sense, although I mainly post with this flag to trigger internationalist Marxists. With that said, Marx did a good job explaining what is wrong with capitalism. It's just that his solutions were incorrect.
Juan Flores
And besides, where ever fascism has taken root, the left is always crushed asap.
Connor Hill
Why not use the Nat-bol flag then. That's what most past Useful Idiotites on here used (assuming you are one).
Kayden Sullivan
What concretely, do you feel was wrong by the solutions proposed by Marx?
Anthony Jones
You could say the same about "communism". A lot of Marxists have a history of back-stabbing their leftist brothers.
Brandon Gutierrez
what would your solution be? i assume you're a Useful Idiotist since you said you arent a hitlerist. besides, every single one of the successful nationalist, or even just slightly patriotic movements have denounced the left and outright despise us. not to mention the class struggle is international, not unique to just one country. how do you think you could build a workers state in one country?
Austin Diaz
fucking shit kikewheels i meant Useful Idiot.ist
Alexander Wilson
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David Nelson
stras-serist
Lincoln Wood
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Mason Hill
This tbh.
Jack Walker
im curious. what do you suppose anarchists would want to do if they successfully abolish all borders and the states that defend them?
Levi Powell
This one just has a tendency to piss people off more. So it's a bit more fun to use.
His belief in internationalism.
I have my own view of National-Socialism. I feel that private businesses should be replaced with subsidized and regulated worker owned cooperatives. Perhaps some form of direct democracy could be implemented assuming people were to perform some sort of military or civil service in order to gain voting rights. This essentially would guarantee that the people who actually care about the state of the nation would get to take part in national decision making through the democratic process. You could say the same about the USSR. There's no conceivable way that you're going to trigger simultaneous revolutions in every country on earth at the same exact time and suddenly achieve world socialism.
Just the act of attempting socialism requires "socialism in one country". However, you can always support nationalist/socialist movements in other countries through various means. There's no need to form one massive union to achieve your own ends since government works best on a local level. Yugoslavia is evidence of this fact considering their standard of living was much higher than that of the people living in the USSR.
Same to you buddy. :)
That's what the people who chant it seem to be advocating for in most cases. Even though it directly benefits the neoliberal system and it's bourgeois rulers.
Dominic Reyes
So you've reduced the definition of socialism from democracy over the economy to democracy within the firm, and you also reject the international unity of the working class in favor of strong ethnic divisions. This should serve as a lesson for this board. Wage-socialists disguising their apologetics for capitalism in red are as threatening to the proletariat as the bourgeoisie.
Brayden Hughes
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William Reed
Democracy within the firm is democracy over the economy. Especially when the government regulating those firms is democratically controlled.
It's like purposely didn't read everything I said just so you could take my words out of context.
There can be no international unity when you have radically different cultures all with radically different goals. You're never going to be able to unite westerners with radical Islamists. Especially when you consider that people have a tendency to self segregate, form their own communities and try to achieve their own political ends. Good luck with your state capitalist bureaucracy. History has shown how that tends to work out.
Cameron Torres
I appreciate the effort on your part to pretend that you read Marx, but I seriously doubt that anyone who adheres to any materialist conceptualization of history and understands Marx's critique of capitalist political economy believes the solution is spooks.
Christian Foster
I thank god and opium every day that I'm not a Marxist.
Jacob Sanchez
I've read his material. He's an overrated hack. His socialist predecessors such as Proudhon we're much more accurate in their economic solutions than Marx was. The Communist manifesto is nothing more than an opinion piece and a bad one at that. He's not that original, he didn't invent the concept of socialism. He just happens to be the guy that most modern "socialists" latch on to.
Daniel Allen
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Thomas Thomas
the manifesto was supposed to be a propaganda tract for the communists in Britain. you shouldn't be looking to the manifesto for any complex ideas on socialism.
Henry Watson
Fascism is capitalism in crisis. The only difference between it and regular old fashioned capitalism is the degree of intensity that the leftist/anarchist groups are suppressed and scapegoat groups are thrown under the bus.
That being said, if fascism were to arise in another country, it would be in our best interests to focus on destroying fascism.
Wyatt Hill
t. marxist
Thomas Evans
If you're not gonna read theory at least know some of the famous quotes from Marx for fuck's sake
Ryder Campbell
Considering how hilarious your reaction is, I would say you are the one who is triggered.
Why not use your countries flag id you were really a nationalist?
Thomas Perry
YSK fascism is not nationaI socialism, don't use the two interchangeably
Andrew Lewis
Building society on our collective contributions to it is a very romantic idea, but it just doesn't deal with class issues.
Why do Nazi's presume to know what they are talking about and froth at the mouth at the mere mention of marx's name?
Adam Myers
No. As long as firms are free to buy and sell on markets it is clear they still function as private property. They still act as a means of production monopolized by one part of society to be used against another. Without socialized property relations any industrial society is doomed to retain the distinguishing features of capitalism.
That's why Islam, like all things that separate people, has to be defanged then allowed to gradually die. Suggesting this is impossible is nothing short of mysticism. The dominance of European Catholicism and regional identities has already withered away, the nation-state is no different.
You'll fit in well here. Proudhonian and Bakuninite thought have a lot of sway on this board. You're just more open about your pro-capitalist views than most anarchists here.
Blake Lewis
If you make capital simply not hereditary, and capital merely becomes the accumulation of past labor, it still reduces most of the contradictions of capital.
Oliver Martin
What in my post indicated that I was conflating the two?
Aiden Gomez
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Carter Thomas
That was a piece written when Marx was at the ripe old age of 29, originally as a set of demands on the eve of the Revolutions of 1848.
It isn't even close to Marx's best work, it was just arguably his most populist and least dense so it was used for propaganda.
