When Are Browsers Going To Stop Being Shit?

What did he mean by this?

OP is a faggot.

Lol Memoryleak-Fox-Hurt.png

I use firefox all the time on shitty computers even and the only slowness I encounter is when I open too many tabs or something.

If you want to open 5 gorillian tabs get more RAM.

Stop making multiple threads you autistic slag.

Try a clean profile. And a lot of those issues, if valid, will no longer be true from 2017 onwards. Mozilla will start getting rid of legacy cruft soon (see Quantum).

I don't know what you guys are doing with Firefox to get like that but I have zero problems with laggy interfaces or memory leaking for many years. Could it be your extensions? Could it be that you're running 100 tabs simultaneously? What is it that you're doing?

Here is my configuration
Windows and Linux
Latest Firefox
Umatrix
Lightbeam
Restart Firefox
No Flash
Latest Java
Cookie Manager+

current solution is to use lightweight webkit wrapped software.... use surf browser or something like that

surf segfaults on launch for me smh fam

What if I told you it was always a memory leaking piece of shit. We only switched because anything but IE was better.

The problem is that Firefox is becoming worse and worse with every release even though hardware improved. I remember that I couldn't even START Firefox 4 back when it came out because it ate so much. Nowadays, I would give a lot for a release to have a footprint as low as v4.

firefox 2 was what i used in school that shit was blazing fast compared to firefox 50.

when the fuck did they shift to this "new version every month" deployment schedule??? for reference, firefox 4 was released march 2011. this new versioning system is retarded.

When we stop using browsers as pseudo virtual machines to run everything.

my firefucks works fine outside the problems I'm getting with Flash player, thank fuck its getting replaced by html5 en masse

The problem is that websites are becoming worse and worse with every Javascript program. If you think the problem is Firefox today, just try loading today's websites in those old Firefox versions.

when you stop making these threads.

Qupzilla

How about you try a rolling release distro with way a more recent of cinnamon.Rolling release >>>>>>>> "stable" release.

Also this thread's question should have been in the fucking support sticky.

Chromium lets you use any search engine you want. And you should be using Chromium over Chrome anyway.

No, it isn't. The point is that version numbers are now irrelevant.

Revisionist nonsense. Netscape was far worse than IE, that's why it lost.

Why has firefox started putting this bar at the top of every tab? What the fuck? I can't work out how to switch it off either.

what about a fork supported by GNU? Anyone have any insight on IceWeasle or IceCat?

It's called "heartbeat" and was another "phone home" feature mozilla added within the past year or so (my memory fails me).

Look for about:config changes to disable heartbeat

Cheers mate, that did the trick. Its under
browser.selfsupport.url
set to ""

What the fuck are mozzila thinking?

GNU Iceweasel is a fork of Firefox. The changes they make are 1) they removed references to proprietary software from the FF source 2) they include their most highly recommended privacy and freedom-protecting extensions by default. Other than that, it's pretty much a simple fork of Firefox.

Iceweasel was a "fork" by Debian of Firefox for trademark reasons. It was just Firefox with a different logo and name so it would comply with the DFSG. They sorted out their complaints with Mozilla recently and now they just package Firefox normally, so Iceweasel is getting phased out.

GNU Icecat (which was previously also called Iceweasel but a different project) does a bit more. It adds a few extensions, it changes the extension provider to one with only free software, and it has privacy-friendly default settings. It's based on Firefox ESR and had issues with extremely delayed security updates in the past, so be careful.

Netscape was horrible but it ran on Windows 3.1 and became the meme browser of normalfags everywhere. Then Microsoft bundled in IE and everyone switched to that but it was also shit. IE also broke compatibility for every other browser because people were using their proprietary version of HTML.

Which led to this cancer:

Keep in mind we're talking about IE5 here. I beta tested IE6 around the year 2000 or so. It came with its own mp3 player that was removed from the gold release. It was shit and couldn't play anything without random clicks and whistles. They kept pushing it though because they wanted to take over how people built things for the web.

Every jumped to block banner ads and stick it to M$. The hate was real back then and nothing compared to the bantz Holla Forums has these days in the Linux vs. everything else threads. Of course there was Opera which was decent but they charged for the browser like the Jews they were so everyone stopped using pirated versions when Firefox hit the scene.

After Firefox started gaining a large number of users webdevs started building their stuff to support it first. Which spawned AJAX/web 2.0 cancer. IE6 was shit so you spent most of your time making your shit work in it because it was the browser of choice for work/locked-down machines.

Would you like more of the history lesson?

Microsoft – by then the overwhelmingly dominant force in the computing world – failed to notice the internet. One of Bill Gates’s biographers, James Wallace, claimed that Microsoft didn’t even have an internet server until early in 1993, and that the only reason the company set one up was because Steve Ballmer, Gates’s second-in-command, had discovered on a sales trip that most of his big corporate customers were complaining that Windows didn’t have a “TCP/IP stack” – ie, a way of connecting to the internet. Ballmer had never heard of TCP/IP. “I don’t know what it is,” he shouted at subordinates on his return to Seattle. “I don’t want to know what it is. But my customers are screaming about it. Make the pain go away.”

But even when Microsoft engineers built a TCP/IP stack into Windows, the pain continued. Andreessen and his colleagues left university to found Netscape, wrote a new browser from scratch and released it as Netscape Navigator. This spread like wildfire and led Netscape’s founders to speculate (hubristically) that the browser would eventually become the only piece of software that computer users really needed – thereby relegating the operating system to a mere life-support system for the browser.

Now that got Microsoft’s attention. It was an operating-system company, after all. On May 26, 1995 Gates wrote an internal memo (entitled “The Internet Tidal Wave”) which ordered his subordinates to throw all the company’s resources into launching a single-minded attack on the web browser market. Given that Netscape had a 90% share of that market, Gates was effectively declaring war on Netscape. Microsoft hastily built its own browser, named it Internet Explorer (IE), and set out to destroy the upstart by incorporating Explorer into the Windows operating system, so that it was the default browser for every PC sold.

The strategy worked: Microsoft succeeded in exterminating Netscape, but in the process also nearly destroyed itself, because the campaign triggered an antitrust (unfair competition) suit which looked like breaking up the company, only to founder at the last moment. So Microsoft lived to tell the tale, and Internet Explorer became the world’s browser. By 2000, IE had a 95% market share; it was the de facto industry standard, which meant that if you wanted to make a living from software development you had to make sure that your stuff worked in IE. The Explorer franchise was a monopoly on steroids.

And because Internet Explorer was so dominant, Microsoft had little incentive to update and improve it. So, in the end, other – more innovative – browsers like Opera, Safari, Firefox and eventually Google Chrome appeared. In comparison with these newcomers, IE looked increasingly tired and impoverished, the software equivalent of a former heavyweight champion grown fat and arthritic. And the intriguing thing is that the contender that triggered its decline was Firefox, the product of the Mozilla Foundation, an organisation created from the ruins of... Netscape. Who said there’s no justice?

theguardian.com/global/2015/mar/22/web-browser-came-back-haunt-microsoft

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Are you agreeing with me user? I can't tell if this is supposed to make you feel smug about proving your point or you're another user backing up my points.

We all know Firefox and a every other meme browser is based on Netscape. The point is Netscape in the mid-90s was shit and they didn't get their act together for half a decade. In that half a decade IE became so dominate that it nearly became the standard.

I'm not even sure what we're arguing about anymore.

You do realize that web standards weren't a thing in the 1990s, right?

IE was the best thing since sliced bread for web developers in the late 1990s. The IE-only Web became a thing because of this mentality, not because of IE itself.

This.

it works for me perfectly, but crashes if i go inspect element and i dont need that btw i just clicked on it by mistake, and pornhub doesnt work

Why

It was the beginning of a standard. We had one and the trash IE added was outside of it. Microsoft continually went against what everyone else was doing in an attempt to attract developers to their way of programming for the web. They did a good job of this and almost won. I'm surprised a board that supports open source so much would have a person that actually defends their business plan in the mid-late 90s.

It was shit and will always be shit. No one asked for a browser so deeply integrated into the OS that it couldn't be removed. The IE-only thing was because of Microsoft having the widest install base. How would you feel if you couldn't visit most websites on Linux because you didn't have IE. How would you feel about needing wine to ever browse? That's what the tail end of the 90s was like.

I use palemoon on my pos netbook and it performs admirably.

Microsoft developed a lot of stuff you now see in the open web but with different implementations.
Netscape was also proprietary.
You must've lived in some alternate 1990s. That was not the opinion of Web devs then. They didn't give a shit about standards, much like they don't do now with all the exclusive WebKit standards that force everyone else to adopt them.

Mozilla is the best of a bad situation currently, if you want a somewhat usable browser, I'd suggest Waterfox, I've been using it for 2 years and it doesn't piss me off half as much as Firefox did, also it's x64, which is very nice.

Firefox is also 64-bit.

I've just finished this Arch install last week on my gaymen PC. Clean profile, but I did set up my shit. The heaviest thing is probably the extensions:

Click on a Holla Forums sticky, enjoy browser getting fucked for a few seconds.

I really wish I could just migrate, but uMatrix is only on this and Chromium, which is faster but fuck I'm not using spyware as my main.

user...

What?

I am . I just loaded this thread >>>Holla Forums8271316 with my configuration. My Firefox was unresponsive for 4 seconds before being able to respond to my input - this is a very rare occurrence for me. I suspect that Firefox's implementation of Javascript is to blame. It appears that the Javascript engine is blocking the UI while the Javascript programs are parsed.

I suspect the reason why I haven't seen this very often (laggy Firefox UI, bloated memory usage) is because I use umatrix which restricts the loading of third party Javascript programs by default thus ensuring that each page loads only the minimum of Javascript programs.

8 secs for me.

I have 3rd party scripts blocked on mine as well, but on 8ch most scripts are from 8ch.net and I allow them, since posting breaks otherwise.

I suspect that your ad blocker may be contributing to the processing. The cost of running the ad blocker is probably cheaper than the cost of running everything by default, but it's a fact that the ad blocker contributes a significant processing burden every time you load a page. This is the reason why I stopped using an adblocker and used Noscript and then migrated to umatrix. So far, this strategy works well for me as I rarely have processing and memory problems with Firefox.

When Servo is published to the public, I'm guessing that the UI will remain responsive even with your ad blocker and all your other extensions.

What's wrong with them? No default white-listing for the ads on your shitty website?

It's slow whether you have 1 tab open or 60.

...and I have 16 GB of RAM btw.

lol why?

It's not just firefox. Nearly all software is shit to some degree. The glorious bloat-free, no memory leaking future involves using programming languages which let you prove everything in your program is correct. You can try mathematically proven programming now with languages like Idris, Agda, and Coq, but they are not ready for systems programming (in the sense of C) yet. You can get pretty far with these languages, and they are great for making simple software that gives you a high-level overview. But the resulting software is generally slow and normally (but not always) enforces garbage collection. It's up to someone to polish the ideas presented by languages such as these and give us the same power as C in a much more elegant package.

Aside from Lynx, I also use Links a whole lot. It even lets you view inline images in framebuffer console. No javascript though (but I hate that shit anyway).

I think that you don't need both.

It doesn't though. It lets you launch a whole program in the framebuffer, not just inline images. If you're looking for inline images, you're looking for w3m, which uses sixel or some other obsolete shit to display inline images.

I don't mean inside terminal itself, but inline to the browser. Unlike Lynx, which needs external program altogether for displaying images.

Also w3m image display is fucked. The images appear and disapear when you move cursor. It's buggy or something.

it's just your terminal emulator
works fine with xterm and urxvt

it does not use sixel
blog.z3bra.org/2014/01/images-in-terminal.html

try midori, dillo, etc... or write your own you loser

Try midori or dillo. Midori is very nice, and has an adblocker built in.

But I'm using xterm.
XTerm/OpenBSD(322)

The image blinks out when the cursor moves over it. You have to move one more line down for it to re-appear. Also the cursor leaves a trail on the image (see pic). Then the image blinks out again when the cursor arrives on the link name line. Anyway it's kind of annoying, so that's why I don't use w3m.

Also, speaking of terminals: it sucks that the default terminal emulators are so lame when they could have instead emulated the vector graphics-capable terminals, and stuff like this where you can totally redefine the character set:
retrocomputing.net/info/siti/vt100/vt100.net/vt320_soft_characters.htm
Instead we get shit like unicode that's a big static lump of bloat. Even the old 80's computers like Amstrad CPC let you redefine the character set arbitrarily, and make cool little sprites for games or whatever.
cpcwiki.eu/index.php/Locomotive_BASIC#SYMBOL_n.2Ci1.5B.2Ci2.2Ci3.2Ci4.2Ci5.2Ci6.2Ci7.2Ci8.5D

I used to agree with this, but lately i've had it with mozzila's nonsense. Firefox simply does not cut it anymore. I'm aware of the risks with chromium but so far happier with performance.

I think they're thinking "fuck you". For a good year there every release had some new bullshit like that

My "is my browser shit" test is to make homepage about:blank or similar. Then start up wireshark, then start up the browser and see if it makes network traffic. If it does, then I figure out what it is and disable it. Because it shouldn't make any traffic

Firefox won't even load Holla Forums for me. Jewgle chrome has no problem but Firerfox gives me pic related.

kys fam

Whats the best fork of Firefox? Everyone seems to say its Cyberfox.

Been using Safari on mac for a little while and it's pretty good.

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go back to /g/

ghacks.net/2016/11/22/vivaldi-1-5-delta-updates-philips-hue-support/

Vivaldi is getting an option to configure Philips Hue lights.

WHY? The fucking thing isn't even fully released yet and it's already filling with bloat.

FUTURE
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Microsoft Edge.

When Microsoft stop holding browser features back.
Pic related.

I work with HTML5 daily and every time I find some nice feature or tag that lets me skip 100 lines of JavaScript, there's always the "Not supported in IE and Edge" in red color that gets me.

topest keks

Edge is basically tied with FF for HTML5 support. Please stop the
meme, it's no longer true. Safari is the worst major browser for HTML5 compatibility at the moment. Also you shouldn't be surprised if IE11 doesn't have full HTML5 support since it's now deprecated by Edge.

palemoon

IE is shit. Even without html5 it is shit. Stop baiting.

Bullshit

IE is still fucking shit and it has nothing to do with it being old. It does thing differently from all major browser in features introduced before Windows 10 was introduced.

Cheap cop-out. Microsoft knows damn well most people didn't switch to Windows 10.

That's because Holla Forums.net does not exist, you drooling retard.
8ch.net

just do "cinnamon --replace"

Here's my contribution to the browser wars.

I've used Waterfox for 4 years but I'm worried the SJW Mozillacucks will render any fork of Firefox mute in 2 years.

I'd switch to Chromium if people were arsed to do more extensions.

When are autists going to stop discussing their autism browsers?

On windows it's actually superior in speed and performance than Chrome, and is more secure than FF. I don't see any problem with IE.

Do you mean when IE added in non-standard tags to advance the web when HTML was stagnant, or do you mean that it handles HTML differently from the other browsers? I'm not aware of the second if that is your case.
Irrelevant. MS won't update a deprecated product. It's like if FF switched to be based on Chromium and then you complained that FF wasn't updating their old system anymore.

What's wrong with more and more obscure FF forks? :^)

what decade are you living in user?
re-make that infographic.

never because the internet itself is complete shit. use firefox or your autistic text browser of choice.

Maybe it was deliberate?

Like, that's just your opinion, man.

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JPEG supports lossless compression as well.

No, it's not.
>my.mixtape.moe/uvljzm.mp4
Keep in mind I have shitty internet, and startup times on firefox are always shit.

bump because i need a browser that isn't shit

when there is a single good browser

As soon as Servo lands.

Wow, that wasn't a joke either!

firefox is crashing CONSTANTLY for me. it's been doing this 1 - 2 months. i have no-script, https_everywhere, ublock origin, greasemonkey with a script to block anti-adblock scripts.

i've tried disabling hardware acceleration, disabling plugins, setting dom.ipc.plugins.asyncdrawing.enabled = false

firefox will crash and then when it reloads it will immediately crash again, sometimes it'll reload 1 - 8 tabs and then crash again. other times it's fine and stable for days on end then suddenly crashes and continues crashing on reload until i get lucky. there's no single tab that causes it.

and about:crashes has fucking nothing to report.

fuck this bloated piece of shit browser

good recommendation, i've been trialing it my biggest complaint is the bookmark manager is kinda shit. i'm working on a cli bookmark manager that does what i want it to do.
i know there are others out there already

there are rendering problems with certain pages but mostly it has to do with javascript which can fuck itself anyway. overall, fast, lightweight, not fucking memory hog or constant crashes like firefox.

Am I special yet?

you have broken RAM dude

Wouldn't palemoon fall under the firefox forks?

Even with all your plugins, firefox is less secure than chrome. They don't even include it in security competitions because it will be pwned so much that they'll run out of prize money and blow it all on firefox prizes.

Wow, what trustworthy guide. I will certainly trust it to guide my actions about how to choose a browser.

Websites are not the reason why FF takes a minute to open.

Fuck off, ignorant cuck

Your extensions are the reason why FF takes a minute to open. My 8GB RAM machine takes 6 seconds to load the current versions because I only have these extensions installed: Lightbeam, Restart FF, umatrix, Video DownloadHelper. I also have the latest Java and no Flash installed.

First of all, it's I/O bound so how much memory you have is not really important, what matters is cold/hot cache, kernel disk caching, etc, second of all, delete your profile and start anew, and third, stop using shitty addons like video download helper.

When I start a brand new profile and then install the same extensions into that profile, I still get the same performance when starting Firefox with that profile after a fresh computer reboot. I haven't deleted the old profile because I know it works just fine. I will stop using that video download helper extension if you can tell me a better one that's also free software.

What also matters is how Firefox has somehow accumulated over 14 million lines of code. There is no excuse for a web browser to be that huge. None.

never

First of all, you're a fucking retard who doesn't know what executable lines of code are. Believe me, the real figure is substantially less.
Secondly, have you even read web standards? Let alone know everything that needs to go into a browser? How many unit tests are involved?
Next, you have no idea the technical technical debt they're dealing with. This thread isn't even discussing the worst of it.

so whats wrong with startpage although ive noticed they filter results and you have to change settings,
but whats a good list of search engines excluding
ddg

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I do that too. It's inefficient, but practical, since you can quickly disable uMatrix when you need to log in to some shitty JS clusterfuck of a website and still want to block ads and some of the trackers

firefox is the only program i experience crashes like this with. so how do i have broken ram? (curious)

i was messing with selenium with firefox as the webdriver and when it crashed it dumped an error message, i'll try to replicate.

For what purpose?

I don't know about you but I recognize that general purpose systems cannot be as streamlined as custom designed systems. I just took a basic FF install and installed some extensions along with it. 6 seconds is a small price to pay for such ease.

try using this site with tor it's a fucking nightmare

Everything with Tor is a nightmare. It's impossible to have good speed with Tor.

Wrong.
The reason that this shithole is slow over Tor is because Pigfucker Senior doesn't want to host a Tor hidden service so the hidden service basically a reverse proxy to the site hosted on a seperate VPS.

Werks for me.

I remember ditching Firefox somewhere around 2010-2012, not exactly sure, because of some serious memory leaks. Couldn't use it at all, had 2GB of RAM at the time. So it was always an unusable piece of shit.

Mine takes less than a second to open now, though I have it on SSD. 8GB of RAM, don't remember the last time it crashed. Haven't even noticed memory leaks or performance issues in past year or so. There was a fairly recent bug with animated fav icon pictures where there would be a serious performance drop, but that's the last issue I had.

When Holla Forums makes their own web browser.
Ill get started on the logo.

Tor was slow as shit on Librechan too.

I wonder if we could get something to render like 95% of websites without too much effort.

Chrome is a fucking masterpiece if it didn't have botnet. It had sandboxing as a core feature when it first released. Firefox still doesn't have it and then I see you supposedly security conscious faggots using it. Then I see the absolute mongoloid retards who use fucking PALE FUCKING MOON of all things and then lecture people about security.

Browsers will stop being shit when web design stops being shit. Right now it's deemed acceptable to have a single page with less than 10-20kbs of text also contain 40mb of JavaScript cancer, tracking cookies, ads, remote fonts and all sorts of browser-throttling animations and visual effects. There is absolutely no reason why these things should be present on something as simple as a news article or blog post or really on any page whose purpose is to present text with static images for fast and easy consumption. People think it's hip and trendy, but all that it is is the modern equivalent of that silly 1990s trend of putting gifs and midi background music on pages. Businesses need to stop giving (((designers))) so much free reign over the look and feel of their websites.

I thought it was part of e10s.

Security through sandboxing is the reason why Firefox is implementing Webextensions and deprecating XUL extensions.

e10s is part of the rollout required for secure sandboxing, yes.

what's wrong with Pale Moon? don't use it, just curious

Chrome somehow manages to put each tab in a separate process without realising that it should stop duplicating functionality by doing what should be the taskbar's job.

That's not the reason why each tab is in a separate process. Shows how little you know about security.

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I know why they did it. I'm just saying they didn't take the opportunity to be thorough about it in other aspects.

Netscape was a big memory hog even back then. I had Slackware on a 486DX/33 with 8 MB RAM and that was enough for basically everything to run ok except Netscape, which would regularly send the machine into swap hell (or just crash randomly on a page with javascript).
Mosaic was a lot nicer, but it didn't have java/script support, so it wasn't "cool" enough or something.
Here's updated version btw:
github.com/yotann/ncsa-mosaic

they were
w3.org/MarkUp/draft-ietf-iiir-html-01.txt

This. I do the same, and it runs perfect.

I bet you in a years time Vivaldi will be one of those Browser OSes that runs ontop of the OS you are already running on your machine.

Netscape had the blink tag, IE had the marquee tag. Clearly that was the decisive factor during the Browser Wars on the 90s.

IE also had the Active Desktop integration on Win 95, which was the funniest way to make your computer EVEN LESS secure back then.

Ironically enough, mobile may be the silver bullet who kills these "nice visual effects". Unless really good batteries are developed soon enough, phone manufacturers will start to cut everything they can to increase battery life; stop using the GPU to render smooth animations while validating forms is one way of doing it.

idk the ones on here can be pretty fun

Play Dredge. Separates the scrubs from the actual Legacy players because scrubs whinge that they lost to Dredge because they didn't bring graveyard hate, but good players know that those guys were playing decks that shouldn't need graveyard hate.

You could also play Storm. Once had an opponent ragequit the format because I chained Lotus Petals, tapped out, Chained said Lotus Petals, bouncing Ethersworn Canonist, then chained the Lotus Petals to make a Tendrils chain.

Like chains? ANT is OFF THE CHAIN.

No, wicked creepy

Do a visit to /ic/.There are alot of stuff for animators there. For fuck sake. Wanna be spoonfed?

51% done already. Back can give more info though.

My sides

tl;dr

so is it fairly easy and risk free to buy MJ from a tuk tuk?

Kinda looks like Atropa belladonna, but the green part should be purple if i remember correctly

fyi today i had the computer go to read only mode with a corrupted partition table. did a memory check and the memory is fucked. swapped ram and had to fix the disk with fsck. mostly good again.

You can't make this shit up.

Yes it fucking is. It shits itself all the time and makes my computer work so hard the fans come on to cool it... not even Team Fortress 2 or Dota 2 will do that shit to my computer.

Brave's adblocker is shit and I don/t consider a built-in adblock bad. Firefox has uBlock Origin which is far superior and also had AdBlock Plus.

I mean "good". As in, a built-in adblocker is bad, I'd rather there be no AdBlocker and I just to choose from a bunch of extensions which AdBlocker I want.

searx.me and startpage and ixquick and duckduckgo are the only browsers I use, mostly ddg.

There is also qwant and a bunch of other shitty browsers but they aren't Holla Forums-friendly

searx.me is probably the best browser for you and based on the results I keep getting with it, it's clearly used mostly by imageboard browsers.

DDG might be a jew tracking system, but at least it has god tier taste in cunny

i use palemoon with uBlock. it works great.

i dont blame palemoon for the fuck ups of javascript.

Firefox hasn't crashed for me in most of a year. You might want to do some actual troubleshooting or trial-and-error fault isolation. I'd start with permanently disabling the flash plugin.

Now Midori, there's a shit browser, literally segfaults all the time and can't render pages properly.

Firefox is slow though, I'll give you that. Main problem is when loading a large page (say a 750 reply thread here), the entire browser becomes nonresponsive.

This may or may not be fixed with version 50 and E10 (multithreaded whatnot), but unfortunately about half of my addons are not compatible with that so I don't know

Did you even watch the video you turbo faggot? I think max it took 25 seconds to load the browser and get to google. That's not accounting for the number of tabs open, the amount of addons installed, the speed of my internet, how much CPU or memory I was using at the time, the fact I am using Windows 7 to demonstrate, or the startup time of firefox.

Face it, you don't know how to use a fucking computer and expect everything to work like magic. Then are surprised when your computer shits itself.

lol it takes me about a half-second to start up my browser and get to ddg

Maybe even less time than that.

However that's not the issue I'm talking about.

I'm talking about how, inevitably, if I leave firefox running for a couple days, the RAM it uses always climbs, and reaches 2GB, and the browser shits itself. ALWAYS.

If you can't handle waiting 25 seconds you have ADD, and since you won't tell me what browser you use I must assume Chrome or a variant. Therefore your opinion has been immediately disregarded.

I will mention again that you clearly do not know how to use a computer and are blaming your inability to be proficient in computing on Firefox, regardless of how bad or good their end product may be.

whoops forgot to sage

how does your faggots firefox take 25 seconds to open
are you using windows on a 3200 rpm hard drive
it opens in under a second or two on linux, while restoring a shitload of tabs (regularly 50), using tree style tabs and 6 other addons

quit using windows, you retarded Holla Forumsirgins

No, it takes me ~8 seconds max to open, most of the time it's 2 or 3 seconds. I usually use 20 active addons, one skin, and several open tabs. But again none of this is accounting for what I am doing on the computer at the time or what operating system I am using.

On a flash drive I can get that down to half a second or less on Linux.

See this shit right here? This is why I hate Firefox.

This is how many tabs I have open right now btw.

I could close all of them except this Holla Forums tab though and it wouldn't make ANY difference, the browser is going to keep using 2.2 GiB of memory, and it's going to lag like shit until I close and restart it.

Here are my specs:

System: Host: fringe-Alienware-17-R2 Kernel: 4.4.0-21-generic x86_64 (64 bit gcc: 5.3.1) Desktop: Cinnamon 3.0.7 (Gtk 3.18.9-1ubuntu3.1) dm: mdm Distro: Linux Mint 18 SarahMachine: System: Alienware product: Alienware 17 R2 v: A04 Chassis: type: 8 v: A04 Mobo: Alienware model: Alienware 17 R2 v: X04 Bios: Alienware v: A04 date: 04/14/2015CPU: Quad core Intel Core i7-4720HQ (-HT-MCP-) cache: 6144 KB flags: (lm nx sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx) bmips: 20788 clock speeds: min/max: 800/3600 MHz 1: 2725 MHz 2: 2720 MHz 3: 2614 MHz 4: 2932 MHz 5: 2600 MHz 6: 2751 MHz 7: 2945 MHz 8: 3120 MHzGraphics: Card-1: Intel 4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller bus-ID: 00:02.0 chip-ID: 8086:0416 Card-2: NVIDIA GM204M [GeForce GTX 980M] bus-ID: 01:00.0 chip-ID: 10de:13d7 Display Server: X.Org 1.18.3 driver: nvidia Resolution: [email protected]/* */ GLX Renderer: GeForce GTX 980M/PCIe/SSE2 GLX Version: 4.5.0 NVIDIA 367.57 Direct Rendering: YesAudio: Card-1 Intel 8 Series/C220 Series High Definition Audio Controller driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 00:1b.0 chip-ID: 8086:8c20 Card-2 Intel Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor HD Audio Controller driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 00:03.0 chip-ID: 8086:0c0c Card-3 Bose driver: USB Audio usb-ID: 003-010 chip-ID: 05a7:1020 Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.4.0-21-genericNetwork: Card-1: Qualcomm Atheros Killer E220x Gigabit Ethernet Controller driver: alx port: d000 bus-ID: 02:00.0 chip-ID: 1969:e091 IF: enp2s0 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full mac: 34:e6:d7:69:62:2a Card-2: Qualcomm Atheros QCA6174 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter driver: ath10k_pci bus-ID: 03:00.0 chip-ID: 168c:003e IF: wlp3s0 state: up mac: d8:5d:e2:11:64:db Card-3: Atheros usb-ID: 003-006 chip-ID: 0cf3:e300 IF: null-if-id state: N/A speed: N/A duplex: N/A mac: N/ADrives: HDD Total Size: 1126.0GB (22.3% used) ID-1: /dev/sda model: HGST_HTS721010A9 size: 1000.2GB serial: JR10046P22VB2N ID-2: USB /dev/sdb model: DataTraveler_3.0 size: 125.8GB serial: 60A44C3FAFD5B011697B003D-0:0Partition: ID-1: / size: 901G used: 139G (17%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda2 ID-2: swap-1 size: 17.06GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda3RAID: System: supported: N/A No RAID devices: /proc/mdstat, md_mod kernel module present Unused Devices: noneSensors: System Temperatures: cpu: 62.0C mobo: 27.8C gpu: 0.0:53C Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/AInfo: Processes: 247 Uptime: 17 days Memory: 4506.8/15933.0MB Init: systemd v: 229 runlevel: 5 default: 2 Gcc sys: 5.4.0 Client: Shell (bash 4.3.421 running in gnome-terminal-) inxi: 2.2.35

Here's what memory maps looks like for firefox. What the fuck is this bullshit?

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Retard browser.

Cinnamon is also leaking like hell and has climbed from about 200 MB to 885 MB.

The fuck are you even going on about?

Just use netscape

Did you even read the sticky, you massive faggot? Get the fuck off Holla Forums and never come back, ever.

>>>/g/

Shit, I didn't know this had ifunny shit attached to it. I'm gonna leave Holla Forums and never come back either.

One single fucking tab open right now and this is how much memory Firefox is using.

Stop using shit addons.

I'm using less than 700MB with 20+ tabs and a bunch of extensions on 64 bit Firefox. You've got a leaky addon.

It still does this with all add-ons disabled. I've tested that before and on various different computers too.

Here it is after total-restart of my whole computer.

No it just climbs up like that even without add-ons. If you run Firefox long enough it inevitably climbs up. Same with Cinnamon.

All my add-ons and shit btw.

addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/english-south-african-language/reviews/?src=api

heh

Hey, fellow anonymage. I see you come here as well, because there is no Holla Forums board on Wizchan.

What the fuck are you on about m8?

downthemall.net/re-downthemall-and-webextensions-or-why-why-i-am-done-with-mozilla/
Have you guys read this rant the DownThemAll dev made towards Firefox? It's fucking hilarious.

jesus christ how horrifying

Meanwhile, in sane-fork land.

Please go die in a fire.

is sad tbh fam, main reason I keep using firefox is because of the addons only available for it

I wish there was an option to toggle images off and on. I'd prefer to browse without images where possible.

Someone should tell him Palemoon will support him and take his userbase there.

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A Developer for Classic Theme Restorer is saying they will have to discontinue it in 2017 as well (which means Tree Style Tabs will likely be forced to do the same):
forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14721955#p14721955

Mozilla has also said that it's unlikely WebExtensions based addons will every be able to access about:config, meaning addons like Privacy Settings, which allows you to quickly change security and privacy options that can sometimes break websites, will be discontinued in 2017:
wiki.mozilla.org/WebExtensions/FAQ#Will_I_have_access_to_about:config_or_the_preferences.3F

Chodemonkey needs to fix this fucking website so it stops blocking my posts.

Haha what a fucking loser.

I like how Firefox looks very much (and some aspects of their philosophy). But I use Chrome because it's fast as fuck and works great.

Eat my cock faggot. It uses 400 MB with 25 tabs on my machine.

If a piece of shit only hogs memory on SOME systems, it's still a piece of shit.

It's stable as fuck and renders faster than chrome while actually being compatible with all sites

Yeah! I love internet too! But only with Google™ Chrome™. Sign up for YouTube™ Red™ today!

When the addon culture dies. 90% of the things we use addons for is really basic shit that should be there by default.

Addons aren't the problem. The internet being eaten alive by mobile apps is why browsers and the web will be dead soon. The only ones using the web would be 3rd worlders and poorfags in general.

I'm really happy that hasn't happened yet as there's multiple ways to go about solving some problems. Some people just want an adblocker, other people want a simple way to block scripts like Noscript, and still other people want more detailed controls like what uMatrix offers. Some people use addons like Noscript and uMatrix with an adblocker while others don't for performance reasons on less powerful machines and just opt for one or the other. Browsers would just get more bloated if companies started integrating tons of addons.

I think they are the problem. In no other software do we need addons to perform basic functionality. Imagine a text editor that needs an addon to change the font size, another addon to save the file you're editing, and yet another to have line wrapping. No one would use it, yet we put up with the same thing with browsers blocking javascript or ads, for example.

If adblocking were a basic functionality (they should be), no big browser would ever integrate it as a native tool, versus an addon. The big companies aren't going to start openly declaring war on other big companies by blocking their ads. Not when you could get ad revenue by hosting ads instead.

I don't use ad blocking extensions. The reason is that it applies a processing cost that I'm not willing to tolerate. Instead, I use umatrix which provides the firewall protection I need for web page resources. Many people can't stand umatrix's firewall system and would much prefer an ad blocker with a list maintained by somebody else.

Nigger, the second poster you responded to just explained why it works like that. Blocking scripts or ads are much more complex with many more possibilities than changing font size or line wrapping. I would move to a different browser if my browser just gave me the adblocker/script controls configuration that appealed to the lowest common denominator instead of letting me choose the configuration that best fulfilled my needs and ran best on my machine.

Blocking ads the way adblock does it is a little complicated, but scripts? No way. There should be no problem integrating a NoScript right into the browser. No defaults, so you just block what you want.

Browsers do give you the option to turn javascript off.

dev-codecs-nosync
github.com/henrypp/chrlauncher/releases/tag/v.1.9.4

That level of control is far too coarse to be useful. We also want the ability to turn Javascript on and off according to the domain of origin of the script. The function should also have the ability to temporarily permit access.

Except some people don't want to use NoScript and would rather use uMatrix or other competing addons. Should they just put up with bloat from having multiple script control menus? Having more advanced functions implemented as addons makes sense because it allows user to choose what functionality is best for them instead of being stuck with redundant functionality and bloat if they prefer a different solution. It also gives a more free market approach to what's available instead of people just getting what the developers think people want.

But with other software, no one is bothered by the fact that features are there by default, instead of having to install an addon, even if you can choose the addon. If the feature is implemented properly, what is the problem with it not being an addon?

Try palemoon, they try to make it thinner. My gf noticed the difference on her eee

Now for my complaint

When it stops allowing itself to be a platform for social justice retards who value virtue signalling over functional code.

Muh soggy knees
t. feminists

What Firefox 6? Nigger it uses a gig and a half for six fucking tabs for me.

lel look at this fag

Why did this happen? I know google started it with chrome and all, but why did the other browsers follow suit?

This is why we need a modular browser, in which every component except the engine can be turned off and replaced by a third party component. Sadly nobody has done that yet and nothing like it is going to happen in the foreseeable future.

Checked

Even though your idea is a security, stability and compatibility nightmare. nightmare.

That's what Firefox is! The source code is right there, have at it!

Opera.

This is not true, but even if it was, I'd rather have the Chinese have my stuff than the USA. Really, what can the Chinese do to me? Literally nothing. The USA government, on the other hand, can ruin my life.

Have you seen that source code? Hell, have you ever even tried to compile Firefox under Windows? Mozilla's spaghetti code is a burial ground of deprecated features and failed experiments, that's why Manchild is the only one autistic enough to modify it by any meaningful margin and that's why his fork is a bugfest and compatability hell. sure, there are (still) a lot of powerful addons that can build on top of FFs functionality, but don't even think about modifying the codebase.

Even Ruben (FSF sysdadmin) recognize that go see the mailing list of icecat.
But on the other side Ruben consider chromium to be an even greater piece of shit.
so much that he doesn't even include it in Trisquel depots.

And I agree with him on that, Chromium is an even greater piece of shit. What we need is a hero that would make a modular Servo based browser.

I don't write software for Windows so I can't comment on that. What I can comment at this moment is that Firefox is currently running on a GUI toolkit called XUL. You don't need to touch the internals of the Gecko or Spidermonkey engine. All you need to do is study how XUL works and study the UI definition that makes up Firefox.

I get there is the whole shit about the privacy concern, but Opera just works. It has a free VPN included. Your're right, firefox is incredibly shit. For the more private activities, I will however resort to Tor even if it is slow.

Use the app or just use a chrome based browser.

Stop being autistic.

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wtf is a valensiya?

she's one of the models pedos like.
I really hope you didn't look her up

and you know that how?

Will Firefox ever regain its marketshare?

Overall marketshare? No, never, because the mobile part of the market is rapidly growing and Firefox is barely present there. Desktop marketshare? It never really lost any, that 2% difference in marketshare against the maximum is not significant at all, especially if you compare it to IE that was king once, then a solid second and now has tumbled down into third place below Firefox. And don't forget that marketshare ≠ number of users, the number of users of Firefox is growing, it's just growing slower than the number of users of Chrome.

Have not read far enough, but i have a better question.

Is there an OPEN-SOURCE browser that does not gradually accumulate ram requirements as badly as firefox.

I browse Holla Forums. They've been spammed by a pedo for the past couple of weeks.
I don't actually know what she looks like, but I do know how laura b looks.

Java plugin. Fucking hell

Yiff Moon is pretty good at keeping flat memory usage if you change the memory settings to have lower limits. You still have to hit the GC by hand every now and then.

lynx and links2

What's the fascination with this ancient meme?

Anyone have any opinions on Vivaldi? I usually switch between Firefox and Pale Moon depending on how long it's been since the last Pale Moon update, but I found Vivaldi recently and it runs better and otherwise is the same as Firefox with some more random features.

However surely there must be something that makes it shit otherwise I would have heard more about it here. Is there a botnet? Telemetry? What gives?
vivaldi.com/

my palemoon uses 400MB ram

what about midori? Back in 2009ish when I was into trying out everything I read that this was the new browser with super low resource consumption

thats why i hate cinnamon

midori isnt even functional of windows, but who gives a fuck.... on freebsd and ubuntu midori performs awesome.. i had some problems with html5 video playback i got it fixed... just few features to add and i can finally switch from fuhrerfox

and btw on fedora, midori crashes constantly... i dont know why, but ONLY on freebsd and ubuntu it worked perfectly fine.. i dont know why

It's a proprietary chrome skin.
It contributes absolutely nothing

Oh shit I missed that, my friend that recommended it to me told me it respected muh freedoms and I just assumed he was correct. Turns out he's a bumbling retard that still doesn't know the difference between open source and non-proprietary.

Thanks for telling me I almost uninstalled pale moon.

Has there been any development on KDE Fiber?

Maybe because it's dogcrap?

I suggest you do a full Memtest86+ scan of your RAM. You might have faulty memory in that machine.

No it wasn't. Literally the only thing worse about Netscape was that it wasn't free and preinstalled with the OS. Turns out that's enough to turn the normalfags.

Not on Windows. Not the official builds, anyway.

Xterm does emulate a vector graphics terminal (namely, a Tektronix 4014) for whatever retarded reason. I can't however imagine why in the world would anybody suck cocks so much as to run a program in an emulated graphical terminal on a graphical windowing system instead of heterosexually using the windowing system directly.

For fuck's sake, could we kill this retarded meme already? Brave's ads are OPTIONAL and far less obnoxious than the default state of major other browsers (i.e. no blocker and massive adshitfest).
Given that they're nuking XUL (i.e. the only thing that made their browser competitive for the last half a decade) I'd rather expect Firefox itself to die in the next 2 years. It will be outlived by active forks like Pale Moon.

When somebody makes the perfect vimbrowser and everybody switches to it as God intended.

Chromium is your Chrome without botnet. It still sucks cocks because the extensions can't control the browser to the necessary extent. The main selling point of Mozilla is the wealth of powerful XUL extensions - and most of the useful ones are impossible to remake under the Chromium extension model.

Nothing. He's just a massive sperg.

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A good, lean, efficient ad blocker is going to save you more CPU time and memory on (not) fetching and showing ads than it consumes itself. Then again, if you spend the effort to create your own rules with uMatrix, you're already getting most of the benefit.

What's the problem with disabling the built-in blocker and installing a more advanced one as an add-on? As long as the built-in one is good enough for majority of people, it seems like this would make everybody happy.

...which throws you back to the "is a little complicated" problem you mentioned:

"properly" is a different thing for different people. However I wouldn't mind an idiot-proof good-enough-for-most-users solution being built-in, as long as it can be disabled and replaced with an add-on doing it my way.

Kek, I'm still on 26.x because of Pentadactyl. I hope those incompatibilities get fixed soon so we can finally upgrade.
Firefox is no better though. Each new version breaks addons too. At least they usually get fixed quicker...

They are very relevant, since every fucking new version breaks shit. It used to be that major versions which did that appeared rarely and old branches were maintained in parallel for some time, so you could safely stay on the previous version until all your add-ons got updated to work with the new one. I miss those old days. Fucking hipsters and their Chrome versioning.

Firefox is the goatse of browsers

Because Mint is userfriendly; but bloated, user.

words — to make their most avid browser enthusiasts feel absolutely
miserable!"

"Bye"

Pretty much current Firefox in two sentences.

I have this same problem, I think the problem is less noticeable when in a TTY session, but definitely annoying when in xterm.

Well, is w3m open source? Maybe it wouldn't be too hard to add in an option for that.

umatrix does the same thing but it doesn't need to go through a complex regex list that ublock uses.

how did such a shitty company ever get so powerful

damn jews

when we final solution web developers.
It's a tall order to make a browser that will properly run nucode

Wut?

mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/all/

Because X is quite frankly shit. It was already bad decades ago when the Unit Haters Handbook was written, and has only become much worse. It's not just the memory footprint (which now is almost negligible compared to the web browser wanton stupidity) but it's chock full of security holes! One lazy researcher did a basic analysis at a recent defcon or blackhat (can't remember which or when) and in a week he found over 100 "low-hanging fruits" as he called them. Would have probably found tons more if he didn't wait until a week before the conference to actually start his work.
On the plus side, he said that OpenBSD fixed a whole lot of the problems (but not all), and basically told everyone to just use their fork (Xenocara, as it's called).
And anyway, I don't even like windowing systems, but I do like pixel graphics and being able to redefine my font or draw random lines and circles anywhere on the disply, just like I could on any 8-bit system I used. The "desktop" metaphore isn't something I ever really cared for that much, but I enjoy some level of graphics nonetheless, especially if they're easy to use and you don't have to load a gigantic library/toolkit and crap. Ideally writing directly to video ram (or a mapped buffer) or something else lightweight, and without all the widgets and crap that make for such monotonous and sterile "apps" as you see on all these so-called fancy desktop environments that are the ugliest things I've ever laid eyes on.

Maybe in 10 years _if at all_
5 years if things go extremely well, but I seriously doubt it.

b-but what about servo?:^)

Widely underrated post.

Those regexes are there for a reason. They block shit that would slip through domain- and content-type-based filters like uMatrix (at least unless you decide to break your web by going full tinfoil-retard with blocking policies). This is one reason why some people use both uBlock and uMatrix at the same time.

Also, there are ways to efficiently match a text against a large list of regexes simultaneously, and IIRC uBO does just that (unlike ABP and most other ad blockers). So it's not that much of a CPU cost, and it likely pays itself back in time saved on decoding the additional shit it blocks.

Ah fug, you got me. They apparently started providing Win64 builds a year ago ( blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2015/12/15/firefox-64-bit-for-windows-available/ ). This used not to be the case for a very long time, and you needed third party rebuilds if you wanted one.

The 32-bit build is still the default one Mozilla serves Win64 users unless they explicitly go to the page you capped and request the 64-bit one. They only intend to change this at Firefox 53 release planned this April.

Admittedly I don't follow Windows-related news too much, so it slipped past me.

Learn how to code, you entitled little shit.

Shit man I had 512MB of RAM in Windows XP and I still maxed it the fuck out every single day doing nothing but Firefox+Music Player.

My point is that the cost of running ublock with a curated filter list is higher than the cost of running umatrix because of the nature of ublock - it's a blacklist that compares every request-able element to a big and complex filter list. Umatrix simple compares the requestable element's destination request to the web page's location - this is a far smaller processing burden.

Palemoon version when?

still riddled with bugs

I didn't want to make a new thread to bitch about sites that don't work properly without javascript, but I've been noticing yet another new trend. Screenshot related

it displays a low resolution image until the high res one is done downloading. but since JS is off, it can't do that.

That's still retarded

I need the best browser for android?

Brave

I use GreaseMonkey to fix broken sites. I fight JavaScript with JavaScript. CONUNDRUM!

never. the web is kill

Are there literally any good browsers?
Firefux keeps crashing on me constantly and is a piece of shit all around, not to mention them going over to webextensions which will kill DownThemAll.

Vivaldi. Firefox and all its clones are absolutely terrible. I'm in shock that this pile of dog shit has been around for so long.

Fuck off, shit UI and buggy mess.

Try the nightly version, haven't had a problem with it at all.

Inori if you use windows.

Pale Moon

Ah, so using JavaScript to reinvent a function available in PNG and JPEG images themselves.

is there any real reason not to use chromium? icecat still has bloat and freezes (even crashes) all the time. chromium, i have never once had an issue with. not only that, it's open source. sure, there was one instance where it was sending data where it wasn't supposed to. but firefox has so many exploits that people stopped working on getting into it.

chromium has the same privacy addons, just not about:config. and i'm sure everything in there could be changed with addons or some other shit i'm missing.

please prove me wrong. i need a proper browser and it's about to become chromium.

They're not the same. The JavaScript way is preferred from a UX prospective.

If you want to be a faggot about it, the better UX would be to not expose a low res eyesore and instead download the full image when the user is within a certain distance of scrolling to it.

How many websites and browsers even support progressive jpgs?

Pic related, an apng. Most websites will not support the animation in this image, and even then it'll only work in firefox or firefox forks.

>tfw 2GB of RAM
>500MB Is used for OS + other shit, no apps running
>niggerfox decides to use the remaining 1.5GB and crash my potato

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE YOU FUCKING USELESS FUCKING GARBABGE HATE THIS BLOAT LAGGY SLOW SHIT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Any browser using libjpeg (pretty much what comes with any unix system, including OSX), will automatically support progressive jpegs
Same with libpng and adam7, or webp, or even fliff, they are built into the library, and if it's not detected automatically when decoding, it's like 5 lines of code to activate it
The issue is webdevs and webadmins not caring about this, so they prefer to use a bloated javascript library instead of opening gimp/photoshop/whatever they use and tick "adam7" (or whatever) when saving their image

I used to use Pale Moon but the cocksucker keeps getting locked into 25% CPU usage at all times and has to be force quit. I don't even care about "m-muh memory" because 4GB is still more than enough, but this processor load is fucking retarded. I'll sit here with nothing but an 8ch thread open, no webms or videos or anything, and it'll just idle there at 25% CPU usage running up my fan and eating down my battery.

It's hot garbage.

I should add to this a note: saving an image as progressive, adds some KBs to it, but compared to the js library it's nothing, so, in short, not only they are reinventing the wheel, but they are also wasting space on their server, and, worse of all, the user's bandwidth to downloads MBs of javascript

So, with WebExtensions due to replace XUL relatively soon (I don't believe they won't fuck up something until November), what are the options?

Palemoon is okay but some of addons I use didn't work in it at all or at least partially even more than a year ago, and I expect this situation to only become worse as PM's source code diverges more and more while some addons get rewritten for for slowfox's new API. The other things against PM is how sites written with supporting FF in mind don't always work correctly (hi, Josh) with PM.

I know of some "forks" like IceWeasel, but IIRC they are pretty much just same old FF only cleaned up a bit, because they naturally don't want to shoot themselves in the foot and change too much.

Feelsgoodman

I went from Firefox to Seamonkey and noticed the memory leaks have stopped for now, also it has a nice email client.

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now can you do this again but with more threads. or 2 pipelines.

about 1 second for me. 8 GB ram and a shitty cpu, chromium

brave shits on my battery for some reason. its probably a fork of tuga browser that is only good on snapdragon devices

I think firefox is ok

Firefox usually never takes up more than 700MB for me after an entire day of browsing and dozens of tabs. I have about a dozen addons and tweaked about:config a bit. 700MB is quite a lot in my opinion but if you have at least 4GB of RAM like anyone in this decade you should be fine. I really dislike the direction they are taking Firefox but I haven't had a problem performance wise. Pale Moon is just a joke to me, I really see no difference in using that or FireFox, other than some addons don't work on PaleMoon. Might switch to SeaMonkey when Mozilla fucks over all the addons this year. But it's still technically Mozilla, right?

All these other browsers look fucking stupid and gay. Except for Dillo.

Make your own and stop complaining

400mb is alot better than the 800-1000 that Firefox uses. Palemoon for me sits at around 300.

I'd be more concerned with Cinnamon using 800 MB.

Arch Linux :^) with i3 uses 40MB of RAM when idle.

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bud I think firefox is slow and mine runs faster than that
jesus christ get help

the mark of a faggot

Software is shit for a lot of reasons but I am going to throw out one of my favorite pet reasons. Code bloat. Most of the software we are using has 20 years of development behind it. There is too much "code" to manage. We are choking on our own garbage software. Honestly, we should try to adopt a high level language and try to write an OS in it. Who cares if half your processing power is tied up in the OS, I have 4 cores. Computing became good enough for most use cases 10 years ago. Increases in processing power are kind of going to waste. Less lines of code are needed for every project out there. Otherwise, continue to enjoy the hell that is modern computing. Machines exists make our lives easier and more productive.

I'm using a core 2 duo here
your idea is shit

youtube-dl is 9000% better

does it work for other sites?

Yes.

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will look into it, thanks

Well what you think isn't reality is it? ;^)
what did you mean by this?

Proprietary, closed source.

Can confirm, Youtube-dl is what you need.

That people are trying to in the first place is the problem. "INNOVATE", how about you make something that works as intended and then leave it the hell alone? I'm tired of endless "features."

It never ends.

maybe when
or
>plan9 support

It'll end when retards like you finally realize that every browser does that and web browsers tend to scale their memory usage based on available RAM to avoid using the slower SWAP/pagefiles

Removing the proper dev toolbar from palemoon was a fucking mistake. I take screenshots all the goddamn time and the add-ons for screenshots always fucking suck. Command line screenshot capability or gtfo.

I miss old Opera. I had no fucking clue we were so spoiled back in the day. I had 2gb of ram and 40 fucking tabs open in 2003 with zero problems. I remember playing vidya and browsing halfchan at full blast, no issues. Is it just all the bloat is this fucking bad now? Since when do you need 16gb of ram just to browse a fucking imageboard.