The Ballad of Halo Jones

Has anyone ever read this? Is it any good?

Bumping for self interest

Yes, and yes.

It's not Moore's most memorable comic, but it's definitely worth a read.

One of 2000ad's best, if only for the dispute that killed it and stopped it from getting dragged out and done to death like every other property they own. Except Finn.
Halo's ballad was supposed to cover her entire life, but Moore got dicked around and, well, he holds a grudge, as Marvel and Warner Brothers found out.

You know 2000ad stopped publishing Finn because he was getting more popular than Slaine? I've heard so many stories about how retarded 2000ad's editors are.

Halo's last appearance.
You get the impression the creators were pissed?

It was my understanding that Moore was sort of reluctant to leave 2000AD. IPC were the only publisher who didn't outright treat him like shit, unlike Marvel, DC, Eclipse, pretty much everyone else he worked for. But at the same time they were living in the Stone Age as far as creator's rights were concerned, so Moore felt he had to take a stand.

He wanted to own Halo, together with Ian Gibson I think. He really tries to push for creator's rights and has surrended his own rights to the artists in many occasions (V For Vendetta for instance). The JD Megazine has published creator owned stuff like Preacher or Tank Girl, and I think 2000ad does it too nowadays, but it seems Moore would see a return to 2000ad and Halo Jones as a personal defeat.

DC own V For Vendetta now. That's why he hates them. He originated V For Vendetta in Warrior, DC let him finish it and then turned around and said 'Ha ha, it's ours now!' Rights issues aren't why he left DC, however, funnily enough.

I think in the situation you're describing, if they ever look to make a movie out of Moore's comics, Moore always insists that his name be taken off it and that the money goes to the artists. He was never credited for the adaptations of V, Watchmen or The Killing Joke, attribution went to David Lloyd, Dave Gibbons and Brian Bolland respectively.

I think he might see a return to comics as a personal defeat now. He does big fat bible sized books now. Time will tell whether or not it'll be any good, my gut tells me it's going to be like Philip K Dick's Exegesis

Actually Warner Brothers wouldn't take his name off the posters for V, and that's one reason why he won't work for DC, because they're owned by WB.

His name's not on the posters. The film posters attribute the source material to Vertigo, rather than Moore or Lloyd

What happened was the film's producer Joel Silver, said that Moore was 100% on board with the film adaptation. Moore said no such thing. He read the script for the film and thought it was utter shite, that there were plot holes, dumb attempts by the American writers to make it sound British, and was generally recast as a Bush-Iraq parable instead of the Anarchy vs Fascism story it was intended as. So he denounced the film. He'd already sworn not to work for DC ever again after the 80s, due to a combination of them screwing him and him leaving in solidarity after DC fired Marv Wolfman for speaking out about a planned ratings system for their comic books (He left along with Frank Miller and Howard Chaykin). He was working for DC by proxy in the late 90s/early 2000s because he was doing America's Best Comics under Wildstorm and Jim Lee had sold Wildstorm to DC.

Moore agreed to stay on at Wildstorm to support the other creators at ABC. The V For Vendetta thing was the last straw and he severed ties with DC after Silver refused to retract his comments.

Doesn't he regret making V for Vendetta now? I remember seeing a video where he's talking to some kids wearing the Guy Fawkes mask protesting asking them why they wear it.

Just out of curiosity has Alan Moore ever met Alan Grant? I wonder what they think of each other?

Yes
From what I remember Grant said Moore was a really good writer.

nice to know user. I always found it funny that Moore created V an anarchist character and Grant created Anarky who's also an anarchist. I don't know if Grant ripped off Moore but it seemed interesting to me.

Grant did say that Anarky was basically a V rip-off

No. He hates the movie but the only thing he really hates about the comic is that DC essentially stole it from him.
As I recall he was rather proud of that. He didn't even care that the fedoras who wear those particular Guy Fawkes masks have never actually read his comic and got the idea from watching the film

IIRC the description he gave in the script was "V crossed with Spy vs Spy".

Huh, he seems like a pretty nice guy in real life.

Yeah, I like Moore. He's very interesting to listen to.

ooouch


kind of gone off him since I learned he called Frank Miller a muhsoggynist for rightfully denouncing occupy

He said that his work was misogynistic. And juvenile. And basically fucking dumb. I wouldn't necessarily disagree with Moore either. Firstly Miller hasn't done anything worthwhile in nearly thirty years and secondly, as far as misogyny goes, all of Miller's women are whores. He can't create female characters who aren't whores any more.

Miller's Occupy comments were also really dumb even if you agree (which I do) that Occupy was retarded.

But doesn't Moore have a book that pontificates for pages and pages about how the evil, patriarchal church destroyed the pure, feminine pagan sects? And thus the patriarchy is a real, illuminati-esque system to control everything?

From Hell, the tour of London?
William Gull's speach about Diana?
Yeah that slightly annoyed me, found it fascinating but it was still a bit bollocks.


so it's realistic then?
and from the interview:
"I think that there has probably been a rather unpleasant sensibility apparent in Frank Miller's work for quite a long time."
seems like it's not just the one piece of work Moore doesn't like of Miller's

He did say in the interview in question that he hasn't paid heed to Miller's work for about twenty years.

The last good thing that Miller did was The Man Without Fear. Anything after that has been complete shite.

I guess I would agree. Though I don't think it's necessarily a problem. There's always room for whores in my entertainment.

Not necessarily Holla Forums related but I wonder how his writing would compare to George R.R. Martins and what Moore thinks of GRRM.

GRRM really wanted Moore to work on Wild Cards, Moore told him fuck off, Neil Gaiman really wanted to work on Wild Cards, GRRM told HIM to fuck off, Gaiman ended up writing a parody of Wild Cards called Temps.

wow sounds like GRRM was a bit of a prick.

A few whores, yeah, I wouldn't have any problem with that either. But Miller's problem is that pretty much all of his major women characters are whores. The only ones who aren't are Elektra and Martha Washington

All his Sin City women are whores, or occasionally strippers. His Catwoman is a whore. His Big Barda is an ex-porn star named Hot Gates. He turned Karen Page into a crack whore who sells Daredevil's identity for a hit of smack. The man is obsessed with women who fuck for money

I'd like to hear more about this


Given his general attitudes towards the Hugos, I can't say I'm surprised

so…women.
you're saying he accurately portrays women. Why is that bad?

But Carey Kelly isn't a whore though.

it's okay user, point us in the doll where the big evil woman didnt touch you.

Okay user, I'll bite.

What was her name? How did she hurt you? How much did you wind up paying her?

True, but wasn't it implied in DKSA that she was going to fuck Batman?

Like I said, Miller's got problems

I can see your point.

That's what William "Jack the Ripper" Gull believes, though, and Moore quite clearly shows him to be batshit fucking insane

If I'm calling all women whores then that surely means I've first hand experience.
It's not the lack of touching, I'm no robot. I just view women as less impressive than men.
No homo


your mom
bit my foreskin
a shilling


read the annotations, he fully believes what his psychopath character is saying in regards to religion and matriarchal religions predating ones lead by male gods.
who knows, maybe he's right?
maybe it was man overthrowing women.
But it imply it was social as opposed to inborn that men take charge is completely mental

A pile of dust bit your foreskin off for a piece of currency they haven't used since 1971? That's quite impressive

It's been a while, but as I recall, he points out that it may have happened that way, but there's no actual evidence of it.

Gurm is known for being a piece of shit.

Here we fucking go.

Really? For any reason other than the Hugos?

You really want people to call you Matriarchyfag or something, don't you?

The only people who care this much about sex are people who haven't experienced it first-hand, and therefore don't know how little it really matters.

The only other reason I can think of that would lead you to this conclusion is that you've tried "rescuing" whores before, only to be rekt by people who were actually shit.

Or maybe you live in a small town where everyone knows each other's business and having sex really could be a big deal.

Anyway, that's your (You).