All power to the Soviets

It's 2016. Why aren't you organizing your own local Soviet and networking with other soviets to create a pyramiding structure with a Supreme Soviet at the top?

Because it's 2016 and I'm not a LARPer faggot.

I do at my local weight watchers club. tfw I can finaly stand for a few minutes.

I know you're trolling but whatever.

Attempting to form soviets when class consciousness hasn't developed is putting the cart before the horse. People won't join a worker's council if they don't see reason for them to exist. Firstly, material conditions must be such that people are severely satisfied with the status quo, and secondly the creation of a large scale united worker's party (not the shitty little sects we have now) is necessary in order to channel workers grievances away from limited union strikes and reformism into communist politics. Once people see that collective action is necessary and that exist institutions (bureaucratic unions and parliament) are opposed to their interests they'll tend to form strike committees from which worker's councils can develop from if things escalate enough.

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I was semi-trolling; that is a good answer, thanks.

Was reading earlier about the first stages of the October revolution and I truly think there was a golden moment when an ideal dictatorship of the proletariat could have been established based on a pyramidal soviet council system. Oh what could have been…

You really don't fit in, you know that, right?

Perhaps, I'm not sure it could have lasted though, given how underdeveloped russia was at the time. It seems that having peasants make up the majority of your population is fatal to establishment of proletarian rule.

I guess it's Holla Forumso'clock.

DUMB CUNT

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NOT FITTING IN AT ALL

>>>/suicide/

But how to organize ourselves in this initial stage just to spread class consciousness and refine ideas through the opposition of opinions which causes progress towards truth?

Where to find people who are inclined towards well, the pursuit of ultimate freedom and justice arising from the material circumstances?

Very epic

I do go to my local Soviet, Nuit-Debout, also named.

A lot of people simply want a job. They would join a soviet if the soviet offers them a job. Why should class cousciouness come first for everyone? Couldn't the soviet simply be under the direction of the already-class-conscious elements (the "shitty little sects")?

How is it going?

tbh, It's mainly education of masses. Here in europe, student who learn at college are like 80% left wing, it's really just some random student explaining socialism to prole.
As I heard, it's different in Paris. (There is nuit debout in every city or so in France and Belgium)

where u from? Could you tell us more about nuit debout?

Not in my part in Europe they are not.
More like apolitic kids that only care about having fun…

Belgium. The movement is especially popular in french speaking countries (which the south of belgium). Well, it's cool to speak about leftypol related things with people, but if you're not an illiterate, you won't learn anything.

Since college is quasi-free in belgium, there isn't a majority of bourgies kids. It has something to do with it, I suppose

What about spreading into Germany as an international anti-austerity pro-working class movement? Nacht Aufstand?

Was this a typo? Because I know some people feel conditions need to be shit for the proles to rally together, others say that social-democracy is on the agenda today to create better prole living conditions. Who is right? It seems to me that that view is schematic and deterministic, there must also be a subjective factor in play. It isn't always the most downtrodden that rise up nor is it the people with good living conditions.

SocDem is pure Ideology.
It wants to avoid the contradictions of capitalism without getting rid of capitalism.

Lowering the living conditions, by itself does nothing.
Without Class Conciousness all that happens is a rise of Nationalism and fascism takes over.
Much like modern eastern europe.

I'm not personally advocating for social-democracy, nor do I believe in its effectiveness. I have read plenty about the SPD and its treachery. Just wanted to clear that up.

Any group would be infiltrated and sabotaged by SJWs. The situation is hopeless.

When will Holla Forums be infiltrated and sabotaged by SJWs?

see

How is a soviet going to give someone a job? We are talking about pre-revolutionary conditions here. The purpose of forming soviets is to co-ordinate revolutionary struggle and seize the means of production (and then administer industry). If the soviet is in the position to offer people jobs then the means of production must have already been seized.

The "shitty little sects" I referred to are the multitude of squabbling communist parties and anarchist unions. The soviets aren't meant to be under the direction of any given party (unless you're a tankie) but rather consist of all revolutionary proletarians regardless of whether they're in a party or not. The communist parties (or party, if by some miracle they manage to unify) would advocate their positions from inside the soviets rather than control them.


Oh fuck, yeah that was meant to be "dissatisfied". I've really gotta stop posting when I'm tired.

There is indeed a subjective factor, people won't spontaneously become communists because they suffer, they need something to help them connect the dots and realize both why they suffer and what they can do about it. That said you aren't going to have much luck convincing people to do away with capitalism if they perceive themselves to be benefiting from it (for the most part anyway).

How would this be implemented practically today? We can't co-ordinate revolutionary struggle when the working class lacks class consciousness. The proletariat must be given the theoretical tools for revolution before revolutionary action can have any meaning behind it.

I already made this point in a previous post, it's why we need a united communist platform from which we can educate people. Unfortunately most presently existing parties seem to refuse to co-operate in this manner, each tending to have their own newspaper/magazine/whatever. Most sects seem to prefer to pretend that other groups don't exist, each acting as if they are going to be the One True Vanguard Party (TM), rather than co-operate on issues where they agree and debate when they don't.

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