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What's does leftypol think of Jill Stein and Green Politics?

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She's good. I've been voting for her for a long time.

At least they are not democraps

I don't like when she goes on about that Reparations crap but other than that she'll be getting my vote in November if Sanders doesn't pull through as a Democrat or end up getting on board with her himself.

Definitely voting for her in November, I feel like considering Sanders not getting the nom, that voting for him is just a practice a vanity.

I heard she's an anti-vaxxer but I can't confirm that.

What the Democratic Party would look like if it actually resembled anything their progressive base believes it stands for. Essentially SocDems

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read this

I will vote for her in the election, but I have not deluded myself to think she's any more than a social democrat. She's essentially Bernie outside of a major political party.

Green party is a joke in Germany and France.
Basically a market liberal party at this point, now that the market liberals are out of the picture for now.
The worst part? They are getting rewarded for it.

wow, is she really in favor of that

geez. i always thought she was sorta okay.

She isn't perfect so half of Holla Forums will oppose her on principal.

Green politics are A+ compared to the two-party shit we have. I have a feeling if enough people were drawn to it they could change things on a local level, maybe even a state level.

If the election were between Stein and Bernie, who would you vote?

Third party is a joke, sanders made the smart move by running within the democratic establishment to change it.
Even in europe the greens are a joke.
Would fug, hippie gilf

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I know right? I bet I wouldn't even have to bring lube either, probably wetter than an otter's pocket

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That's who I'm voting for if Bernie doesn't get the nomination.

She's pretty based


I'd fuck her

Yup


Fucking nasty bro

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I'm sorry


I don't have much of a GILF fetish but fuck it

I'm in the Green Party, worked my way up, and I'm getting rid of the last Malthusian eco-capitalists in my state party, it's pretty easy considering the size.

The party is voting on an explicit socialist plank in the upcoming months, and it will probably pass. The plank is more co-op oriented than central planning oriented. It specifically gets rid of our passive support for "greening" capitalism, small business and other bullshit.

It's really the only left party with a national presence so I do what I can. It could be doing better to rally in Bernie supporters. Some of his supporters are great, but some of his supporters are so fucking capital D Democratic and liberal (read: imperialist). The meshing together of Bernie supporters and Green veterans so far has been akward but successful.

Greens are conservative in Germany, liberal to socialist in the UK, Norway etc..

The international parties are less united than you'd think. In most countries it's been an umbrella for the united opposition to dominant parties. Some have moved very far left.

o shit dawg

BASED ENTRYISM

Seriously tho, great work comrade

Evidence? Source?

You're doing God's work, user.
Here, have a communist qt.

what

Can we just forget that ever happened?

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Good plan especially since market socialism is the best way to ease (for lack of a better term) normies into capitalism

I'm a raging Leninist that believes reform is a futile effort but I still have respect for you user.

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6. Proposed revision or amendment of the current language, or proposed new plank:
Greens seek to build an alternative economic system based on ecology and
decentralization of power, an alternative system that rejects both the capitalist system that
maintains private ownership over almost all production as well as the old narrative of
state socialism that assumes control over industries without democratic, local decision
making. We believe the old models of capitalism (private ownership of production) and
state socialism (state ownership of production) are not ecologically sound, socially just,
or democratic and that both contain built-in structures that advance injustices.
Instead Greens will build an economy based on large-scale public works,
municipalization, and workplace and community democracy. Some call this small-scale,
decentralized system “ecological socialism,” “communalism,” or the “cooperative
commonwealth,” but whatever the terminology, Greens believe it will help end labor
exploitation, environmental exploitation, and racial, gender, and wealth inequality and
bring about economic and social justice.
Production should be democratically owned and operated by those who do the
work and those most affected by production decisions. This model of worker and
community control will ensure that decisions that greatly affect our lives are made in the
interests of our communities, not at the whim of centralized power structures of state
administrators or of capitalist CEOs and distant boards of directors. Worker-owned
production, embedded in and accountable to our communities, provides an incentive for
enterprises to make ecologically sound decisions in materials sourcing, waste disposal,
recycling, reuse, and more. Democratic ownership of the means of production would
decentralize power in the workplace, which would in turn decentralize economic power
more broadly.

Additional comments or questions:
This new platform plank removes the old wording entirely and addresses the economic
inequalities, social inequalities, and productivism of both capitalism and state socialism
and emphasizes grassroots democracy—in the workplace. This workplace grassroots
democracy has been largely absent from the Green platform, and many believe it is the
way forward for a truly ecological economy and a new system.
This new platform plank does not promote expropriation of privately owned small
businesses and should not be interpreted as such. Rather, the plank outlines the type of
businesses and type of economy we would like to create.
In addition to having been reviewed and endorsed by Gloria Mattera, David Cobb, Ben
Manski, and others, this platform amendment has also been reviewed and endorsed by
these individuals:
Gar Alperovitz
Green Shadow Cabinet; the Next System Project

Richard D. Wolff
author of Democracy at Work and other books; lecturer; Green Shadow Cabinet; founder
of Democracy at Work nonprofit organization

Retarded primitivists.

*united democratic opposition you mean

That's state capitalism.

Hah, I was just going to say some of this almost sounds like something Richard Wolff would say. Glad to hear the Green Party reached out to him.

This still needs some slight clarification I think. A better, modern distinction between socialism and capitalism is not who owns property but the relationship between workers and surplus value. When there are two parties, creators of surplus value and appropriators/distributors of surplus value, that's capitalism. When the workers themselves appropriate and decide how to distribute that surplus value, that's socialism.

M-Ls claim otherwise

Baby steps comrade, baby steps

any plans for relations with socialist alternative

Kshama Sawant is telling people to vote for Stein. I don't give two shits who people vote for in these rigged national elections but it shows you how close the two parties are.

We are in an unofficial coalition with SAlt and SPUSA, but SAlt is very small and doesn't have an active presence in a majority of states. The GP does have an infrastructure of activists involved in grassroots projects and electoral folks with knowledge of election laws in *every state*

That doesn't make the GP fundamentally better, but that's the reality.

ah okay I was just wondering if they're might be a problem with the green party and SA competing with each other and causing problems long term

nope, SAlt is tiny.

Even if SAlt was a national force, those sorts of things won't happen for decades, and if the GPUSA continues it's march to the left, it won't ever need to happen.

Sorry I should have put it things

ya that makes more sense

Kek, nice freudian slip

Do they really? I've been having a hell of a time trying to find anyone in the Green Party I can reach out to and learn more about from in my state.

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She sure turned into a qtpi when she cut her hair short.

What state do you live in?

Here are some contacts, this is not an official list, but it should contacts for multiple locations in every state.

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Come on guys, there's a REAL reason you can't ever vote Green.

who the fuck is this

Wyoming.

Fucking faggots.

social democrat detected beep beep beep beep

She's a Leninist-primitivist as most "green" parties are. Her goal is to use the socdem state as a phase to transition into full tribal primitivism.

Are you Michael Trudeau?

Also some of the wording in the new plank proposal sounds rather bookchinite, can you confirm this?

The Proudhonian economy they're suggesting would be a thousand times more capitalistic than anything existing in previous Marxist-Leninist countries. Even still, for bourgeois socialism to achieve representation on a national scale in the US would be a major achievement. Ideally, this could help pave the way for communists.

That reminds, me. Hey you out there participating in the capitalist, choice worshiping "feminist" machine. BACK THE FUCK OFF. When was the last time you cared about parties and ideas that stray from your narrow clickbait nitpicking? Never. Don't pretend like you do now.

Also this is everything wrong with Hillary supporters.