Is the PUA concept legit or bullshit?

I've read so much shit lately on body language, social skills, all that, and the whole pick up artist thing has really piqued my interest lately, can anyone here confirm if its good or bad?

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You want me to tell you how to get a girl? Put down the self help books written by loosers. Go outside and get some social skills once you know how to dress and act in public, start lifting get a good job get some hobbies that are interesting and not video games and then you will have a girlfriend.

PUA is good for correcting bad social skills like eye contact. But eventually you have to graduate and learn the Zen game. Which just means learning how to make friends with women and also projecting sexuality without trying.


Bullshit… Get money or they will leave you. And if you have money you can always replace her. Find the best intellect and breeder if you're a white Nordic. If not, just find the best intellect and white woman.


Unless she is a one in a million crazy diamond


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I've been getting pretty fit lately I've lost a fuckton of weight and I hit the gym for weight training 3 times a week

I got the hair and clothes down too

Basically I've read how to win friends and influence people, the definitive book of body language, the psychology of influence, talk language, and I'm reading a billion wicked thoughts

I'm wondering if the game stuff is the final redpill to tie all of it together

This was actually the conclusion to that book, and also is the direction where some of the other PUA groups like RSD (also mentioned in the book as the 'antagonist') have gone.

The idea is to build confidence by allowing you to talk to women with crutches like lines and techniques for long enough for you to become a proper man. Keep in mind that most of the people going into PUA crap have never even tried to approach a woman before.

buy a hooker

Just be yourself :^)

Also, while these shit books have good advice, ultimately they don't do anything with the skills besides from getting laid.

Most of the PUA crew fuck trashy sluts (good looking sluts) or squire offspring for a single-mother or a cuck beta boy can raise, thus effectively ending the line (since a kid raised by a cuck or a single mom isn't going to turn out well)

It's mostly bullshit. Only deeply damaged and stupid whores fall for this shit.

Like someone else said, it helps you develop the confidence to talk to women, but it won't help you land a good one or get you laid more than one night. You'll be able to bed a crazy with daddy issues once in a while—and it doesn't give you instructions on how to get rid of them once they go full psycho on you.

no

im not telling him to be a great guy you insecure nigger im telling him how to not be a looser

its up to you but I walked a similar path once and came to the conclusion that the game stuff was bullshit. Just dont be autistic and be attractive and you will slay pussy m8.

ABSOULTE SEVERE BULLSHIT.

If you want to read a book full of energy and hope, read Scott Adams: How to Fail at Almost Everything and Still Win Big

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You can get laid if you can persuade! BUT IT!!

Basically this, and blog.dilbert.com/post/129784168866/the-persuasion-reading-list

Essentially throw that PUA shit in the garbage and learn REAL persuasion

I made the chicks 101 meme for myself years ago. Haven't read it since though… I have game now, and it's made me not like women in general haha

You losers are hilarious. You hate PUA because it works. You can't even deny it.

Regardless of if it works or not, it's degenerate bullshit. Masculinity and exuding an air of leadership is antithetical to its teachings.

I'm married and have kids and didn't have to buy a manual in order to make it happen dumbass

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What if I'm none of those and I'm putting everything I've got into getting fit and having normie clothes and hair, combined with reading all the books I talked about here

How fucked or un fucked am I?

Why do you hate men that get help?

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You're a pathetic cunt who will be divorced in a few years because you're insecure enough to post that

You'll do much better long term than the cucks ITT. You might even find a Nazi waifu. Remember, 3D >> 2D.

Ex PUA student here. PUAs and PUA material teach social skills, mainly: how to act when dealing with women. The people you will find studying PUA are not very socially competent, and are usually inexperiened with women, which is why they study it.

To you, PUA may seem unnecessary, and an over intellectualization of something simple, but there are some people out there who require the aid of rules, tips, tricks, and techniques in order to successfully talk to women. PUA teaching provides the less socially capable with a toolbox for socialization.

I don't, I hate men who are so desperate that they let themselves get ripped off on pickup artist manuals that don't help them instead of developing real self confidence and dropping the stupid pickup lines and "negging" bullshit


You're just jealous, I can smell it through the internet

I'm not jealous of your fat wife, brah. And I guarantee I could fuck her because you're already a douchebag and I just met you

Begs actually work, and they work very well. If you're not using begs, you're not going to be very successful with women. Even Donald Trump uses begs. Every alpha male does. They help you control a woman mentally.

Fucking autocorrect

All the original pick up artists. Ross Jeffries, Neil Strauss etc all nose goblins. It the other side of feminism for destroying white relationships.

Negs?

Bottom line is, you need some kinda game in order to avoid being deselected. If you aren't Brad Pitt or filthy rich - most of us aren't - you need to compensate w/ social skills while you build resources.

the book of pook is better. all you need and doesnt turn you into a sperg weirdo

RSDtyler on YT is pretty good too

avoid older pua stuff except the Heartiste

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No its not you spastic. You just went full retard. If anything, learning game improves white mans success with women, and helps him deal with them successfully.

Side question: how many women have you had? I'm guessing

Yes.

You already admitted that PUA works. Stop contradicting yourself.

See my meme Chicks 101. I don't believe in negs because some women have been really negged to death, and the hottest chicks (speaking from a guy who lived in big cities) are way way past negs because they've seen all the techniques already, even subconsciously since they were like 11yrs old

The improtant things are as follows:

1. Memorize and accept the fact that everyone judges everyone else's sexual value the shorthand is a range from 1-10 1 being as ugly as possible and 10 being as good looking as possible, and yes women do this too.

2. Learn to recognize the Shit Test.

3. Learn to flirt properly and to recognize a women flirting and female body language.

4. Fucking do something in your life and dedicate yourself to anything but a women, women do not want a man who doesn't have a drive to strive for something.

5. Learn to keep sexual and romantic interest because PUA is not good for long term commitments (hint: should you have a girlfriend and she's asking if clothes make her look fat she's asking for you to kiss and/or to fuck her you dumb fucks).


I guess you took genuine offense when you were negged by women yourself.

Sure, that's why you want to spend $900 on a book that tells you to put a spoon in your breast pocket so you have something to talk to women about


Women who respond to negs are generally broken women with daddy issues, like that woman at work who just tried harder when I told her I was married and wasn't interested in her.

Negs are for use on hot chicks, and they do work because you undermine her instead of complimenting her, which most guys do, which consequently raises your value because you aren't supplicating. Undermine = alpha, compliment = beta.

This thread is out of the "slide 4/pol/ sage threads guidelist 2013"

You don't understand how begs work. Instead of complimenting the hot chick who gets complimented and worshipped by most men all day, every day, you neg her, which undermines her value, consequently giving you a higher perceived value.

Seems like the more a girl actually likes you, there are fewer shit tests but they are automatic, viz, not deliberate at all. Had one girl drop names of people she knew until I finally told her it was kinda annoying (not in those words). She went "Oh, my bad… so & so is…"

A properly delivered neg will work on any chick. Imagine Trump begging your mother and grandmother. Yeah…

Or, guys in their 20s needing to get laid is a universal paradigm. Just saying

I understand the theory, man. I'm telling you, when you work with models in LA, it won't work. You're talking about 7s who live in Ohio

Complain some more pussy. It's Saturday night and we're having a conversation.

It's degeneracy. Find a good mate and settle down.

Shit tests are usually given by the sluttier girls, but all women will give them. Some times they give shit tests unconsciously, eg, she asks you to hold her hand bag so she can do something. Holding her bag is a feminine thing to do, and she will subconsciously think less of you for doing so. That's just how women work.

I didn't spend any money. I don't use techniques. I made that perfectly clear. You're a douchebag, and all douchebag's wives are up for grabs because you're a natural beta. Although I like your spoon joke

Negs work on all women, even LA models. Chances are, if you try negging an LA model and she doesn't respond, its because your socio sexual value isn't high enough for her to care about you.

I know. & then there are apparent shit tests that are the opposite. Like asking you to kill something or something involving masculine traits

Nobody said you have to beg. There's a way to talk to women without either groveling or insulting them. Men who are good with women do neither, they are simply good conversationalists that can discuss nearly any topic eloquently, and can introduce topics that they know something about if the conversation veers into areas in which they are completely ignorant.

Here's a VERY BASIC article on becoming a good conversationalist that will serve you better in both love and business better than ANY pickup artist book:
thoughtcatalog.com/kovie-biakolo/2014/12/13-little-known-secrets-of-great-conversationalists/

If you completely believe negs wouldn't work on that Hollywood 10, ask yourself, "if trump negged her, would she respond?". The answer is yes and the reason they don't work for you is because you're not high status enough.

I meant neg not beg. Fucking auto correct.

See this is when shit goes wrong because this is Club/bar behavior you learn from pickup "artists". And I've actually read that line before.

You can hold a girl's purse. It's if you are insecure enough not to want to or when she wants to talk to some guy that you need to just go home.

Shit tests are fear reactions. As Ovid said, "a woman will say what she fears and hide what she desires"

That's why you play or joke with a shit test because she's just afraid; she's not a guy trying to humiliate you for the sake of dominance alone but to test out who you are.


When all else fails: Study Cary Grant!

NO… Because guys like you have been negging hard for 15yrs now and it only works if you do it really soft like Cary Grant.
Trump negs cunts, because Trump is a fucking playboy billionaire. You understand that right? He's not in your game. He's a king and you're a peasant.

Holding things for her and listening to her is not alpha behavior. You want to hold high status frame by constantly behaving as an alpha. You can hold the bag for her, but that's only going to lower your value.

True. What's worked for me is being somewhat aggressive initially. That's where "tricks" are handy. Once the ice is broken, letting her know who I am is the next step.


Thanks, Rabbi. You're a life saver.

I use Trump as an example because he's a super alpha merely to prove a point. End of the day though you don't understand how negs work.I doubt you've even used more than 5 successfully.

Neither is obsessing over being alpha.

I fucked a girl whose bag I once held. I also turned her down for sex once. The latter was the end of it.

Scrutinizing your behavior in order to act as an alpha is better than not behaving like an alpha. And just because you held this girls bag one time and conquered her vagina does not prove me wrong. Fact is lower vale behavior is going to minimize your chances of scoring poon because girls are more likely to fornicate with high value men.

And I'm telling you, you're learning from betas. I'm not telling you this to be a contrarian, it's from experience. Care for a woman and she won't hate you for it. Act like a douche about purses and you may tame her for the moment but it's not highest level game. You're bitching about a fucking handbag, imagine what she thinks when she considers fucking you and maybe changing her mind later, "this guy is obsessive and controlling eww, if I fuck him he wont let go or he might throw me aside".
I'm trying to help not argue


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God damn it, I know WHY you used Trump. But it's not a good analogy is it? You doubt I've used negs? I've made women fucking insane with them. But they're not productive and for the best girls they don't work because idiots like you WHO DONT LISTEN are out there OVER USING THEM
You spoiled it for the rest of us because super hot girls have been negged to death now.

Flirtation is generational

FUCKING MODS sunk the thread.

How are Aryans suppose to breed if they can't learn from older Aryans? They have to go to weirdo Gigolo cults

Sure. Wasn't saying I'd do it again (it was over 5 years ago). The situation was also not normal. She was a few years older than me (don't recommend in general) & more messed up than the average girl. She was deeply hung up on one guy who she imagined was the One. So no one could compete w/ the fantasy. Jesus, this girl jumped in front of the shotgun her father aimed at her mother.

You need just one book: Models by Mark Manson

I never said never be nice. Obviously a little kindness is needed for a relationship to work. What I said prior mainly applies to women you're associating with on a casual basis.

And I used the anology to counter your statement about Hollywood models. Obviously the neg will work if the chick considers you a potential fling or more. Doesn't matter how hot she is.

Sad!

We didn't spoil anything. Stop coming up with excuses for your failures, moron.

I don't have failures but I know you do. You're probably the NEET MOD who sunk this thread. Keep negging all the girls though beta

You don't know me at all cuck boy. And I bet you a fine dime I could have your girl's clam creaming on love stick within the day if we ever met. You're pathetic.

I can smell the tendies from here

I can smell the estrogen from here.

Nigga, relax

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NO you're pathetic because you say low level game shit and cry like a beta when I out argue you. So yeah, I know you…

rare pepe meme… Hello NEET

If all you want is hedonism and casual sex, just be the most confident, alpha guy in any room you enter, money is irrelevant for sex.
If you want to keep the girl, you must be successful, or at least have good potential to be.
The books you posted do work, but they are essentially jew marketing tricks applied to the dating world.
In short, be a man in a world of boys, and ALWAYS dominate her mentally, never allow her to feel like she has you for sure.

New idea for a clickbait article:
Are Your Memes Beta? 5 Memes That Significantly Lower Your Chances of Getting Pussy

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Keep trying cuck boy. Only beta here is you. Proven by your demonstrated complete lack of understanding of game.

haha

I love your awesome internet talk, sex machine. You must get all the ladies with those Lolibertan philosopher memes

It's all just repackaged self-help stuff, marketing knowledge, and persuasion.

Fuck off faggot. Mark Manson is a cuckold.

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I like how mods bumplocked this thread & we still posting.


So? No one said it's rocket science. It's just useful

And you're done…. You can't even neg me. Id hate to see you do it to a girl who had to put up with a millions betas doing the same insecure 2003 pick up "game"ing

Mods are unenlightened plebeians like some others in this thread.

Would be nice to have longer standing threads like this every once in a while. There's not enough real talk on pol regarding socio sexual dynamics outside of the distorted view that runs rampant on pol.

No. You're simply trying to mock me, and your lame attempts don't even warrant proper response. You're deluded if you think a meme reply is an indicator of anything other than how much I don't care about your shit posting. Come at me with an actual argument or don't even bother, cuck.

The MODS are all Arabs

OHHHH did I hurt you?

And why did you use the word "neg"? A neg is a backhanded compliment. Again you go and prove to us you have 0 fucking clue what you're talking about.

Because I asked you? And you said yes
(((Jesus))) you suck at life.

Just come out the closet and admit to us you know fuck all about game. We can see through you.

You're running out of steam here. Try not to go full retard.

Yeah, I took a very long break partly b/c of that.


Arabs don't believe in game b/c their cousins buy them a hooker when they turn 14 & run a train on her. I wish I was kidding. I also hear they watch porn together for entertainment.

The fact that you even call it game still means you're a low level pleb though. And my argument was made already. The fact that you have all these tech words is fucking pathetic. Go back to your research

GOD DAMN you're fucking cliche. That's why you need people to teach you how to speak and say shit like "don't hold a woman's purse". Do you know how fucking pathetic you even sound? You're on a chan and you sound pathetic

Arabs are kind of gay. Especially if they have money

So I guess all the major game bloggers like Rollo tomassi, vox day, château heartiste, roosh v, guys who are world renowned for their revolutionary game advice are low plebs too. Gee, you must be the Aristotle of game. Surprisedu haven't linked us to you metaphysics of sex book at Amazon yet.

Blah blah blah

I had some Balkan kebab friends years ago. The first time they shoved porn in my face & said "Nice?" was culturally enriching

Holy crap you know their names by heart? What' wrong with you? What happened to you? Do you need me to buy you the bullets? It only takes one and then no more pain or confusion.


I can totally see you arguing with a girl because she's not into you.

They have a weird concept of sexuality for sure. I've met a lot of skinny Arabs who seem like they will do whatever as long as their rich father in Dubai never finds out. I also knew an Iraqi guy who was all man though. His dad was a cop.

Do you have anything of substance to say, or u gonna keep sperging out like the confused Autist you are? You've lost all credibility at this point. Lucky anyone is responding to your sorry ass

Dig deeper.

Every insult you say, is like Holla Forums 101 insults:
You don't have a personality so you cling to others and to rhetoric. It's a lack of character. Go outside and stop harassing women with negs. You're becoming more and more Jeb the longer this goes on.

I have no other options left but to believe you're either a retard or a troll. I'm leaning towards troll. So I will no longer be addressing your posts.

Jesus, Jeb. Did you just call me a troll?

Anyone else interested in a new thread seeing as this is bump locked?

Are u still watching me insult you?

You stopped being entertaining about 5 posts ago.

Is that a neg? It's not working

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I guess if you got healthy testosterone levels then most of the stuff they teach in those 'PUA' books is going to come naturally.

Try to eat clean food most of the time (avoid wheat for example), optimize your sleep, lift weights and train your legs specifically. Squats and deadlifts should raise your testosterone.

Generally speaking becoming physically stronger will change your perception and you will more confident no matter what the situation is.

You're right m8, where do I buy your book? I want teh sex too :-DDDD

So I just got back from sleep and it looks like the whole thread is just arguing now

Do the books work for getting short term sex or not?

I dont care, I just wanna fuck period

I could have your girl's clam creaming on love stick
Seriously? Who talks like this?

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