I know this is silly, but why is Holla Forums so unanimously against anarchist feminists and communist feminists?
When people criticise feminism it's usually because of how liberal it is, so why does everyone here also dislike anarcha-feminists and communist feminists?
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Because the people were who label anarcha-feminism and Marxist feminism as le idpol are memers who haven't read anything in the aforementioned bodies of theory and uncritically accept the Holla Forums meme version of Marxist materialism - which is basically a form of orthodox materialism that literally no Marxists still follow.
Making the thread was still pointless. It's impossible to talk rationally about feminism on the internet.
I for one feel like discussing feminism is so volatile that it's best to avoid it and instead focus on economic issues instead. Porky loves distracting us from the real issues with men vs. women bullshit.
Trolling or delusional? You decide!
Nice get but idpol is a shit-tier memetic truncation of a technical term for critiquing the way in which liberal politics reifies identities through identity politics by creating in and out-groups - those essentially queer/black/woman/etc., and those essentially not - and uses this division to further its own ends. This is entirely antithetical to the aims of feminism and queer theory, which are to destroy this binary logic - which is slightly better, though much of feminism and queer theory isn't leftist or anarchist, and thus they ignore some major sources of oppression and alienation that ultimately cannot help but reproduce these other forms of oppression on the axes of identity.
Which is why leftists and anarchists quite rightly critique liberalism and identity politics. But reducing this critique to "literally everything not 100% class struggle is wrong and anything not class struggle is either nonexistent or insignificant and will work itself out" is the height of anti-intellectual ideological groupthink.
Because Holla Forums:
1) Is largely populated by memers that have a wikipedia-tier knowledge of Leftism
2) Cocksucks Holla Forums to show how they aren't like those other Lefties ;))
3) Are mostly underageb& and NEETs who have near 0 social contact; especially with any from of leftist org
4) Haven't had their willy touched yet
5) Think gamergate was an anti-capitalist "movement" topkek
also this. Well put.
You forgot to put your shitposting flag on, user.
Strange then that all those group are doing their best to NOT destroy that binary and instead doing their best to put all people in nice little separate idpol pockets so they can quibble about who has the most oppression points.
Back to /r socialism with you
'We' criticise feminism because of how liberal it is.
Also because of spooks.
Read the rest of my post retard. I addressed that exact point - and also, your superficial engagements with ess jay doubleyoos doesn't count as a summary understanding of contemporary trends in feminist theory. SJW tumblrina ideology is a trend among teenagers and young adults on the internet, nothing more.
Not that I give a shit what liberal feminists have to say, but come on fam
Stop using that flag, fag.
Cry moar faggot. I'm the original nihilist flag poster on this Holla Forums.
>this Holla Forums
You're the original fag, then.
Stop using the flag, fag.
No I am pro-feminist, so take that nerd.
You're also a fucking retard.
Is this what happened to Holla Forums? First the tankies, then the idpol rejects?
m8, unless you have something better to post than your worthless GamerGate-tier white male ressentiment about le SJWs, just fuck off already and stop shitting up this thread.
I am also a tankie.
So, take that, nerd.
I read your post, I just dont buy it´s liberal boogeyman that is corrupting your pure and innocent feminists, I think it´s inherent in their ideology.
With the exception that they are backed by the media and the state, I for example live in a country that proud itself with a "feminist foreign policy" and it´s considering implementing SJWs policy's like our neighboring country.
But no… It´s just harmless teenagers :^ )
m8, unless you have something better to post than your worthless GamerGate-tier white female ressentiment about le goobergate MRAs, just fuck off already and stop shitting up this thread.
I guess I didn't post it in this thread, but no, feminism is in itself not pure and innocent. Feminism is a very broad body of theory that all shares the common end of emancipating women from patriarchal oppression - which ranges from muh voting to lesbian separatist radfem nonsense. The latter is less common and mostly a part of the 70's, but it's still a thing.
And as I've also said, repeatedly, in any event feminism that isn't anarchist is still not that great because it doesn't grasp the whole picture. The liberal imperative towards representation in capitalism and in democracy for instance only assures that it will be black people and women and gays oppressing everyone else. It fixes some problems with our society, while missing the problems of the State and capitalism. But, nevertheless, history has shown in cases like kekalonia that muh materialism doesn't magically fix every problem in the world. Sexism can exist in a socialist society, and in the case of kekalonia it required the action of the Mujeres Libres external to class struggle to fix those problems.
And furthermore: If Holla Forums really believed that muh gender is a spoog and wasn't just coming from the stance of white males who live in a society where being a white male is more or less the default dominant identity and thus seems to be the default, you'd know that you can't just will people to ignore that they are oppressed - however irrationally and unjustifiably and uselessly - on the axes of their identities. Spooks doesn't real, but their political nature is why they have to be critiqued and destroyed in the first place. Otherwise, we let our imaginary ideas affect our lives in ways that aren't desirable.
And your examples about State-backed feminism is the broader liberal feminism, which yes is not limited to tumblr. And State-backed feminism is merely capital recuperating and commodifying emancipatory struggles.
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we disagree about fucking kids and filming it. But I agree with you about this.
Actual "SJW" policy as demanded by university types is literally unthinkable suicide. It is what Holla Forums thinks of any political policy that isn't wanton nonwhite holocausting.
kek was this in IRC or something?
This explains your eternal faggotry.
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I'm not.
Welp, Holla Forums's gone to the dogs. I had hopes we'd go back to spookbusting anarchism after this pole, but I suppose not.
nah on here, could have been another anarcho nihilist flag but if you are the OG then I think it was you.
Good to see that their are feminists here tho tbqh.
The male holocaust of Holla Forums grows closer.
i'm going to fap to these women tbh fam
Fixed.
So what patriarchal oppression does feminism fight in the first world today?
I´m not really sure what you are trying to say here, what spooks do you want to criticize and destroy?
Well good that you agree that SJWs aren´t just harmless teenagers as you claimed earlier.
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Caliban and the Witch is pretty good aswell; it mainly deals with primitive accumulation under modern (i.e post-fordist) Capitalism, Also has some comfy medieval paintings aswell.
like clockwork
Great strawman. MarxistMemes.
Deal with it nerd
Not a single thing in this post is a proper argument.
Because most of us have seen leftist groups on various campuses dominated by feminists and the result is a shift from focusing on class to idpol. With the exception of that autistic nazi who can't get a gf and the tankies I'd wager you wouldn't find many on here who are woman hateric, but opposing an increasingly liberal label used to shill for more stronk wymyn executives and alienates a large swath of working class people is only natural.
Are you from the US out of interest?
Because I don't believe we need to latch onto every idpol pet project.
Because I don't believe taking an ideology that already worked for women and slapping the feminist label on it does anything.
Because seeing equality through the lens of one sex has always been counter productive and sectarian.
Sage Negated
Why are you asking?
Yes, like over half this board is from Burgerland. Are you xirxist memes admin or just a random insufferable faggot?
You're the one who started it though
Probably because feminism has gone completely off the rails since the late '80s or so and devolved into upfront misandry. If you really believe in the equality of opportunity for the genders, then just call yourself an egalitarian already.
This thread needs feminist horses.
The latter
this meme was invented by a butthurt gamergater in order to label people who disagree with their juvenile trash as SJWs
read:
EVERYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH ME IS AN SJW CUCK
The number of leftists here who are actually against women's liberation can probably be counted on one hand.
The people who are against feminism as an ideology is much larger.
Feminism does not have a unique monopoly on women's liberation.
You've been more hysterical about goobergaters than anyone in this topic has been about SJWs, sit down and shut up.
Feminism is fucking trash, not everyone against it is secretly alt-right
For saying agree with somebody and then disagreeing with the message of a meme.
KK bbz if that triggers you I'm not the hysteric. Sorry too about the capital letters if that also triggers you.
I promise to use the proper pronoun and not to call you can anti-sjw sjw in the future is that okay?
Bakunin
TRASH
Ocalan
TRASH
Corbyn
TRASH
Rosa Luxemburg
TRASH
Emma Goldman
TRASH
no bitch you are trash, and no leftist.
SJW wasn't always a pejorative. It used to be taken on as a badge of honour for those who disagreed with exploitation, especially when such exploitation involved the real marginalization of groups beyond their means. Now it's been perverted to exclude the former meaning and act as an apathetic description of anyone who doesn't take race and gender at face value, whether their arguments are sound or not.
That's not true. I'm a supa sekrit alt-right meme master subverting the left by convincing 400 something autists on an obscure image board run by a cripple from buttfuck nowhere that a predominantly liberal ideology is bad and that liberation can't happen under capitalism.
Please stop
fine fine, i got you confused with the nihilist
Yes it was. The term was originally coined to mock the extreme subcultures that used to only exist in small sub-communities on sites like tumblr. Now days the term is used much more broadly in part due to Holla Forums, gaymergay, and other political faggotry that popped up on 4chan. It's kind of annoying seeing the term applied to the fairly moderate supporters of gay marriage/trannies/etc when it was originally directed at something much more extreme.
The anarcholinguists are right. Holla Forums really should read more feminist theory. Here, have some.
No, really. The phrase Social Justice Warrior has existed longer than that. In the seventies advocates of free love called themselves this because it was seen as admirable, rather than farcical, to stand up against, protest, disobey systems of oppression regardless of their origins.
Because every supposed "communist/anarchist" feminists Ive known makes a lot of noise about the evils of capitalism, but at the same time goes weak in the knees at the thought of female CEOs.
Most of the feminists I know, when they really get down to the brass tacks of what they actually want in reality, basically want a more diverse ruling class. They want the current system but with more women/minorities at the top of it as if this will change anything. Combine this with intersectionality, aka, "This is a real nice workers rights/class youve got here, now its about Trannies. And if you dont like it youre a bigoted sexist racist brocialist and well go to all of your meetings and screech and cry as loud as we can until we get what we want."
Honestly, I like feminism best when its just vanilla feminism with no suffixs and it focuses on womens issues. Its when they start trying to justify selling themselves into debt for a Hammer's Studies degree by loudly declaring that everything you care about is a nail. Same thing with "cultural studies" or whatever.
it is literally, IMPOSSIBLE, in the current "leftist" circles to have a discussion about Class without everyone trying to measure their victim dicks and making sure everyone knows that they have it INFINITELY worse than every single cisstraightwhite male on the planet. Even the ones living on sewer grates. Add to that the fact that most of the people spewing this shit are relatively well off white folks, who have been too busy writing think pieces about how the working class sucks for believing in Jesus or something to actually notice how badly these people have been suffering. It took fucking Donald Trump for the left to even admit that these people had anything legitimate to be angry about, and even then its couched in those same identity politics asterisks about how theyre all evil and shitty.
It is going to be funny when these idiots get told to fuck off out of the commune (or the men leave) and they end up getting used as sex slaves by lumpens.
Everybody wins.
Best posts.
if the following apply to you, don't bother replying to this thread.
select only one
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What are you implying here?
These bitches are going to get raped once they step outside the safe spaces which allow them the ability to talk all of his muck without any consequences. In revolution people feel that anything goes, and their mangina "ally" "boyfriends" aren't going to help them when the lumpen are coming.
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It looks like "memers" is the new "shit1ords." Have some memes.
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This is not only feminism, Holla Forums is equally horrendous on the topic as reddit, but Holla Forums at least don't outright ban people.
I'm reminded of the thread about some libtard girl, which became a discussion of much people wanted to fuck her - now I don't give a shit about it, but when it was criticized as sexist many posters responded by claiming it was ok because she's a libtard. which generally proves that many don't even understand what the critique is about.
Says the guy who never brought anything meaningful or constructive to the thread in the first place.
…we are on an imageboard.
It's an imageboard. That is just a part of the culture. Most older users had their start on 4/b/ so discussion like that, whatever the personal views of those involved, is the norm.
Jokes on you, I want to fuck anything
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I'm just getting second hand embarrassment from your posts so I'm asking you to stop.
Eat shit
On the contrary,
In colourful language albeit, I attempted to expose that meme for what I believe it to be, which is an attempt to smear any and all feminist leaning arguments as 'SJWs', which it is.
I did this by explaining that there are very numerous amounts of feminists one would have to be completely ignorant of to describe as SJWS, Bakunin, a huge jew hater, is good example.
More than this though, it is an attempt to defend the position many adopt, which is to be just as abjectly identarian as the 'SJWS' they claim to oppose. You can tell by the language they use. Namely, the phrase 'SJW' which roughly translates to BIG OTHER. The idea of the big other is pretty much the key to all identarian thought.
What this meme does is say that if you call out the anti-SJW for being part of the identarian crowd, you yourself must be one.
It denies that there are hundreds of positions on the topic of feminism and creates a useless false dichotomy
Its first hand m8 you think anything I could type on this pedonazi hell hole could embarrass me?
Sorry you are so spooked that my mere opinions make you blush
It's not your opinions that are embarrassing.
so you really have nothing else to say on the subject than it makes you uncomfortable?
Is there a lazier argument out there? This is basically saying "nu-uh, you are!"
Complaining about memes is not constructive.
I mean sure, in the sense that nothing is constructive and everything is meaningless, yeh, it isn't constructive.
Would it be more or less constructive if I masturbated or watched some anime?
Anyway, seeing as how you have resorted to just arbitrarily emptying a punch of JPGs I think we are just about done here unless there is anything else?
Yes, "you need to read theory".
It's still a shit tier argument though.
Yes, as that may result in whatever stick you've got shoved up your ass coming out.
It's almost as if you LARPers don't actually think anything will happen. What preppers call SHTF will happen within our natural lifetimes.
I guarantee you this faggot is an admin of XirxistMemes
Go back to school, you chode
I wasn't trying to disparage anime or masturbating, just to show that the word constructive is pretty subjective.
Telling me I have a stick up my ass also isn't really a discussion of the ideas I have put forward. Kind of makes it seem like you have stick up your ass, thinking that I should not somehow express these ideas on a relevant forum and relevant thread in that forum.
See the post up yonder for a description of your faggotry
Physical masturbation would be more useful than metaphysical masturbation, so yes. But might I suggest masturbating to horses instead? It is more feminist than mysogynistic cishet anime.
i stick to regular run of the mill pornhub actually
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instead of actually arguing with the points I made, he just told me I had a stick up my ass.
It is different to explaining exactly why that means there is stick up his ass.
Nuance.
Once again, it's not the subject.
Because
1. Most feminists consider the gender struggle to be more important than class struggle
2. Le edgy anti-sjew meme train
so you agree that you aren't talking about the subject in hand but the interlocutor's style or other personal attributes unrelated to the subject at hand and therefore about identity rather than ideas and are therefore talking about idpol rather than pol
And I was mocking your retort.
No, I'm saying you're cringeworthy as fuck. It has nothing to do with the ideas you're espousing you autismo.
I understand that, which is why I said:
there was no substance to it
just generally on this, you do realize you are on a weeaboo board for pedophiles.
Everything here is cringeworthy as fuck, if you are the kind of spooked starbucks sipper who 'cringes' often, and probably wears uggboots. I suggest you get the fuck out.
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Well first you have to define what feminism is. If feminism is equal rights and duties for both men and women then I'm a feminist. If it is "stop eating sushi if you're white" or "stop spreading you legs in public transports" then I am not.
Not an argument, maybe those Marxists are all incorrect.
Wrong.
Also wrong.
True for some posters but not mostly.
Your expression is not identity, retard.
yes, it is. Particularly on a board where all you will ever get is my expression, my ideas and my flag, which make up my identity in this anonymous chatroom.
Don't use my favourite meme against me.
Yes, a lot of these people are edgy. They just want to use stupid words without there being social repercussions (not banning it, but people shouldn't have to like you if you use fucking douchebag language)
…retard
It's not.
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Never before has an OP's question been so definitively answered as it has been by the responses to this thread.
sooo.. what does make up my identity for you then?
nice meme.
Can you actually think thoughts or is it just JPGS flying around among the cobwebs and dead bugs?
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Nothing, you don't have you, you are merely a projection of my psyche.
If you hate memes so much, maybe an imageboard is not right for you.
oh look babbies first solipsism.
I don't hate memes, I just hate irrelevant bullshit memes. So, most memes.
I can see where this is going.
Prove me wrong.
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so, in your psyche, there are identifiers which make up the identity your psyche assigned to me.
In this case, the ideas your mind has produced, the way it expressed them and the little flag it used to tie it to a string of other ideas.
In thinking about them, in order to identify them, these are things your mind created. Your mind created my identity.
I don't have to prove you wrong, it doesn't matter in slightest.
wishy washy epistemology can always be countered with wishier washier epistemology
That's bullshit and you're wrong, also probably an FBI informant.
FBI shit I'm GCHQ don't associate me with those yank cowboys
Bakunin, Ocalan and Corbyn are trash though
Is this thread part of a raid by some booty blasted facebook group or something?
and the others?
Fuck off m8, I've probably been here longer than you.
Thanks for confirming it is
Rosa was based, Goldman is meh but I'm not an anrchist so idk really
np fam, continue to be willfully ignorant
feminism and socialism/anarchism/communism should shouldn't be mixed together because they tend to turn into shit like tumblria here when brought together tbh fam
Holla Forums is one of those boards that, at the first sight of contention with "unanimity", will cry that it's being raided by Holla Forums, tumblr, reddit, et c. Instead of defending this unanimity in a comprehensive and uninvolved way, Holla Forums will post strawmen, memes, and tantrums and won't ever consider their position obsolete with new parameters.
tl;dr "political" boards need a safe space from dissenters because they would rather host complaints than real arguments
Holla Forums is more than capable of defending its positions in a "comprehensive and uninvolved way".
the font is bothering me.
Not lately. All I've been seeing are appeals to organization (eg >>>/reddit/) whenever an argument is made with a leftist-tag that someone disagrees with.
Because Holla Forums is what you get when you take a bunch of leftists and have Holla Forums teach them what feminism is
We have been getting a lot of post-leftists lately. Why they want to muster with us and not their fellow Nietzchians at Holla Forums I don't know.
Identitarianism divides us. The bourgeoisie promote it to ensure that there will never be global revolution. They sell us social conflicts - "black vs. white", "man vs. woman", "straight vs. gay", "cis vs. trans", "Jews vs. Arabs".
They want us to keep fighting ourselves instead of uniting as human beings to end capitalist oppression. They want us to hate, so that they can rule more easily.
No more, we say.
Anyone who has not already taken the linguistic turn to Wonderland recognizes feminist theory as the insane bullshit that it is.
What is feminism, in current year?
Note, that, in 1950's "Gommunism" was what Stalin and the USSR said it is, and everyone else was a revisionist.
Also, the answer is, cause we care more about the people in general, than specific groups of people. (No, bourgies are not people).
Sure thing, buddy.
Fucking read a book, please
Reminder that only somebody who's never read Nietzsche could actually believe the Übermensch has anything to do with racial superiority
xirxist memes pls
the show is feminist in the best way
by just being about grills and not actually being a retarded soapbox
Unless it's a Spike episode.
Yes, the complete lack of soapboxing was what made it particularly effective in that regard. If you have a forum and want to use it to show how women are capable of doing things, just show women doing things. It is that simple. That was what made Wonder Woman so good in the Seventies.
That's a trash meme m8. Leftypol has nothing in common with Holla Forums. They're all idpolers just like you bucko.
I think this answers OP's question pretty well. Not everyone here is sexist, but many just feel as though there is so much bullshit in both the news (people getting fired for not supporting gay marriage, "first woman to do X") it just gets sickening after a while because you can see people's freedom of speech being threatened or it's a bit tiresome and unrelatable.
Maybe I'm just a bit tinfoil or something, but I feel like the establishment loves to use these things to keep people fighting eachother. We have people losing freedom of speech. Because of SJWs.
I think most males (even on haetchan) who haven't been mentally enslaved by batshittery on /r9k/ and Holla Forums aren't sexist. I'm fairly certain that most women feel similarly.
People have different mindsets due to their experiences and perceptions. They don't understand eachother, especially when they won't talk to eachother, which might be the reason that the most sexist shit comes from women who men won't talk to and vice versa.
God, this is a terrible thread.
Read through >>>664379 and get back to me
Or read the any of the daily "let's make fun of librulz on facebook who are so classcucked they think white americans have a fundementally different experience in life than black americans" threads
fucking how do i stop being retarded and link to other threads on this board
Yeah what I'm I suppose to be seeing? Like I said nothing like Holla Forums. Holla Forums loves idpol as long as its centered around white males. Its something idpolers like yourself just can't wrap your head around. We make fun of both of you because idpol is idpol. Its actually baffling to me that you thought that thread was some kind of smoking gun that proved something. All I see is regular posters debating with Nazis from Holla Forums. Do you not understand how imageboards work? Fuck off
>>>/reddit/
Every feminist thread is like this. Just shitpost and enjoy.
Bcause faggots like this and this make any meaningful discussion impossible.
Thanks for confirming my belief feminism is not salvageable.
This text has value only as toilet paper.
It also has value as a retort to every PoMo fuckwit who says that feminist theory has value.
So serious question: what's wrong with feminism? I don't know much about it, but I imagine all those Tumblrites we know from ebin memes and OpinionsTube retards don't represent the entirety of feminism and feminist theory. Can it really just be written off as just "idpol"?
Seconded
You know how you know feminism I'd idpol nonsense. You feminists come here spouting the same moronic talking points over and over again like a broken record. Not a single original thought. We have as low of an opinion of fence sitting youtubers as we do feminists.
The accusation doesn't even hold up to even minor scrutiny. There's a thread happily discussing the works of the "cultural marxist" that opiniontubers are using as a scapegoat in the catalog right now . No one here buys into the "cultural marxist" crap. Very few people here support humanism. Absolutely no one supports a "sane" middle ground, or believes in horseshoe theory. All of those things being positions that the Youtube "rationalist" crowd supports almost unanimously. That's not even getting into their love for liberal democracy and hard on for shit like the "free market of ideas".
Stop trying to fit us into your anti-sjw boogyman stereotype. People here don't dislike you because they were brainwashed by some internet celebrities. We don't like you because your ignorant cunts. Get over it. Just accept that we don't support idpol from either camp Holla Forums or sjws and move on. Why does every leftists internet space have to subscribe to your identity politics garbage? Is it some kind of control thing or something?
I made no such claims. I asked if feminism truly is more than what we see on the various memes on the internet and what youtube retards shows us all the time as what feminism is all about and why it's shit. Because I don't know much about feminism at all outside of DIE CIS SCUM, YOU'RE A WHITE MAAAALE, etc. and other meme videos.
Women's rights and gender equality are fine. The problem with "feminism" is that it is such a loaded word as to be effectively useless. As an academic field, it is mostly nonsensical.
Feminist theory works like this:
Sorry I misread your post. I thought it was a continuation of posts like this . I thought you were being sarcastic or something.
We criticize inter-suck-tional because it is a tool that is used by porkies to distract proles, as well as make them fight amongst themselves, as well as ironically eventually becomes racist and sexist itself.
We are all proles first, and everything else second. Lern2collectivism m8.
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Spooky as fuck tbh
Implying individuals coming together for their combined self interest isn't completely in line with Max's philosophy. Smh tbph fam
Feminism isn't a single ideology.
The ideas espoused by self-identified feminists can be broadly grouped into two categories:
1. Things which any reasonable person agrees with (equal rights, basically)
2. Various flavours of authoritarian bullshit (prohibiting free speech, "reverse"-racism, "reverse"-sexism, #killallmen, etc)
First of all, you must realise that when you start to accept feminism as a movement you accept #2 just as much as #1 because the movement makes no attempt to distance itself from the crazy authoritarians. In fact, they are frequently selected as leaders of feminist groups.
Second, when you talk about "anarcha-feminism" you're either just talking about anarchism or feminism, not both. Anarchism already encompasses ideals of equality and liberty. The rest of feminist ideology is inherently authoritarian and hence incompatible with anarchism. You can't have an anarchist society while also having a universal prohibition against saying anything offensive.
Also, I really wish Holla Forums was unanimously against feminism. Unfortunately, as this thread proves, there are various authoritarian cunts who still try to defend it. I honestly don't know why they don't go to any of the plethora of safe spaces on reddit where they will never suffer the horrors of having things "mansplained" to them.
i have mixed feelings about them
Your argument:
Used to be in a trotskyist party, have read a good amount of marxist theory and i'm still against idpol. Although, i agree with feminism or any other emancipation movement, the problem is that their social movements focus their efforts on liberal goals and tend to be edge lords comepting in a never ending oppression olympics that think that white straight cis males are the center of the problem.
Well according to Holla Forums there's literally no difference between these points of view (because those who believe the former don't spend every minute talking about how terrible the latter is), therefore you're a filthy ess jay dubblyoo
Don't forget electing them to positions of leadership within "feminist" organisations. You must admit that your movement has more than a small problem with the latter sort of people.
And the left has more than a small problem with embracing authoritarian dictatorships, but try telling anarchists they're secretly a bunch of stalinists and see how that works out
Note that the left has come up with different words to distinguish the factions.
Nobody is trying to claim the label "leftist" as exclusively belonging to them.
The difference is Feminism is a complete clusterfuck of contradictory ideas and goals. It's like saying white nationalism has a little bit of a racism problem. Bousiouse politics is intertwined with the feminist movement.
Actually, I feel I should illustrate the difference a bit more clearly:
Do you see how one of those makes an effort to distance themselves from the assholes while the other is just sheltering them behind a single unified label?
If anybody actually bothered to look, one could find hundreds of tumblr blogs, twitter handles, and even the occasional sub>reddit dedicated to doing what's described here
Stop trying to pretend some ultimate god(esse)s of the matriarchy have arbitrarily decided exactly what everybody who who identifies as feminist must believe
So, presumably you can tell me a short name for the particular faction you belong to, right?
That way in future I can say "Almost all feminists with the exception of are authoritarians". That's what you want right?
I could, if half the people who describe themselves as "egalitarian" weren't literal fascists
So you'll be back to defend feminists as a monolithic group, TERFs and all, the next time we have one of these threads then?
Never actually did that in this thread, friendo
Oh, sorry, I must have hallucinated your impassioned defence of feminism in this thread. You really haven't convinced me you're any different from any of the other fuckers who use mott-and-bailey tactics to win arguments.
Also, why are you so reluctant to subscribe to that label when you already use a label which is shared with a bunch of authoritarian bigots? Let me guess, it's "just a few bad apples"?
user, has it occured to you you that nobody actually gives a shit about the opinions of authoritarian femnazis who have a fucking stroke when they hear the word "man" besides people who want validation for how triggered they get by the idea of feminism?
We're back to this problem where subscribing to one philosophy that's home to authoritarians pretending to be progressive is totally cool but subscribing to another philosophy that's home to authoritarians pretending to be progressive is no good
epic meme friend
bjorn i know your mad about your account being suspended but you can't come here
*sigh*
I swear, people need to read some of this stuff…
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There's more to feminism than just observing it from a distance. It's really annoying when people ignore the 90s and how that played on feminism and go all the way back to the 70s when that's getting less and less relevant as time moves on.
It'd be a lot easier to dismiss feminist shit if it weren't influencing the legal system.
The men are bored as shit.
Holla Forums here.
For the tankies among you, it is time for you remove feminists.
Let them stay on your board and they will dominate your narrative.
You must be swift and deadly, remove excellent glasses!
I disagree, it's as an academic field it has value, it's when you try to construct politics on it alone (same with post-colonialism, queer studies etc) it just becomes a subculture compatible with capitalism. They need to be brought under the fold of a proper Marxist analysis, as they are useful for studying specific parts of class society and the superstructure, capitalism is nothing if not varied.
Bull fucking shit. Like he already pointed out. Authoritarian femnazis have no problem gaining leadership in feminists organization , get their bigoted works published , or getting postions in academia and they have jackasses like you pathetically making excuses for them and closing rank. No one is buying it femshit. You belong to a hate movement. You remind of is those brown shirts that say they don't hate black people and just want a future for their race. Idpol is one hell of a drug.