Debunking Cultural Marxism

Right wingers continue to be spooked as a motherfucker.

You mock it for not being at all grounded in reality. Anyone who uses the expression "cultural marxism" is an ignorant clown who gets their sociopolitical ideology from Holla Forums, shitty blogs, and racist youtube video comments instead of books and real academic sources. Unsurprisingly, they can't cite a single fucking thing to back their arguments that isn't also tin-foil hat. Also, call them out for being sexist and racist, because frankly, all it is is a red herring to rationalize and normalize outdated racist and sexist ideologies.

I checked out the first link and was getting ready to get mad but then I read this:
Everything seems to be in order. Guess I was secretly a cultural marxist all along by virtue of the fact that I'm not an idiot and know a thing or two about science and culture. Whoops. ;^)

If cultural "marxism" doesn't exist then why did leftist authors write books about it?

its an account of the emerging phenomenon. It uses the moniker in order to contest the idea

The most disappointing thing is that right-wing drongos don't even put in 5 minutes of effort to their conspiracies.

If they replaced Frankfurt school with Guy Debord and the Situationists then "cultural Marxism killin muh white culture" would at least make a sliver of sense.

call them out for the fascists they are
nazis don't like to be shown that their nazi memes are nothing new

cultural bolshevism reloaded, the same shit all over again

they'll lose their shit and get butthurt, "how could you call me a nazi?", but lacking any substential response it will break them eventually

of course, this can only be one of the attacks to counter it

What's the connection between Marcuse and political correctness?

I've read one dimensional man which is mainly about consumerism.

if you want to debunk it in discussions with Holla Forumsacks, don't waste your time

these faggots believe in an idealistic world with things like spirits and magic
that's not even an exaggeration, this is literally all antisemitism is built upon

lmao Adorno is the Marx of Western Marxism

More like Lukacs.

we know bringing universal in basicly destroys their whole house of cards.

doesn`t take much to really elaborate what Gramsci and these other theorists/etc really talked about, show its all borrowed, misused, diluted and used by opportunists and reactionaries.

keep it simple.

cultural marxism is pretty much… like a meme.

memes are often exaggerated.

I am seriously wondering if you actually meant what you wrote or if you are projecting or maybe memeing.

He means idealistic in the technical sense, not the colloquial sense where it means naive.

You can just say "has an iq of 50", since 100 is the median by design.

what

Don't you know?
If you are not a bourgie SJW, you are litterally Holla Forums!
Leftypol doesn't even exist!

KEK

One way to do this is to tie these identity ideologues and science deniers on the 'left' is actually a part of neo-liberalism, and verbal gentrification (PC) to make it easier to sell product to them, especially ones with progressive advertising, as well as be used as useful idiots and a distraction of real class problems.

8bit is gud: youtube.com/watch?v=MG7y8J0DXhU

One way to do this is to tie these identity ideologues and science deniers on the 'left' is actually a part of neo-liberalism, and verbal gentrification (PC) to make it easier to sell product to them, especially ones with progressive advertising, as well as be used as useful idiots and a distraction of real class problems.

8bit is gud: youtube.com/watch?v=MG7y8J0DXhU

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It's just an attempt by Nazis to conflate everything they don't understand with communism. By their own logic even Bryan Caplan is a cultural Marxist because he supports open borders.

I think the "frankfurt school" conspiracy is utter nonsense but cultural marxism is a perfectly fine term to describe identity politics and the current state of the left-wing. In general terms it just means someone who frames every single social issue as a struggle between two classes (oppressed/opressor), and then proceeds to defend members of the first class no matter what, and attack members of the latter class as a process to even things out and destroy perceived inequalities.

It's easy to make parallels to marxism, so I think the term is fine (even if it is not really related to any actual marxist theories).

breitbart.com/london/2015/02/04/for-the-first-time-in-history-conservatives-are-at-the-forefront-of-the-cultural-revolution/

wew comrade
archive.is/tfAs8
tfw the frankfurt school invented pansexuality.
tfw the frankfurt school invented feminism.
tfw the frankfurt school invented literary criticism.

Top fucking kek, can these niggers even read?

It smears the term marxism which, as you said, it has nothing to do with. If they said cultural liberalism or the new "left" or some shit I'd put up with it even though what you describe has nothing to do with real leftist politics.
But don't drag Marxism into this. It's like accusing all Capitalists of being Nazi sympathizers. It's a fucking stretch.

Jesus, archive that shit.

he means actual technical Idealism in the philosophical sense

You can "make parallels" between anything with enough mental gymnastics.

I'm seriously wondering if you've ever read a book in your entire fucking life.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idealism

Here's a nice cultural marxism.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_long_march_through_the_institutions

I just wanna see white people vanish

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Tyrone's dick is so much bigger than mine, no wonder my wife loves it so much!

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lol, cry more white tears that white women and men alike are worshipping bbc

'cultural marxism' was never something leftists sat down and called cultural marxism. It is a catch all term for those who apply critical theory selectively, specifically where the targets of said critique are the traditional values of a given dominant culture. Such critiques usually end in calls for new legal protections putting 'oppressed' groups in a new legal standing above the majority. That the vast majority of those who do call explicitly for the end to western culture/white race (Noel Ignatiev) are 90% of the time self ascribed Marxists is why the name sticks. The basic process goes

1) Clickbait publishes article by person X calling for (the end of men/whites/tradition/marriage)
2) people take the bait and go digging about the author
3) 90% of the time, they are Jewish, Marxist or both

This is a recurring theme. The attacks on whites/men/tradition go unchallanged because while they seem coordinated and to be reading from the same book, there is often no direct link between the authors of said clickbait. So in aid of fighting back against some shit, said some shit first needs a name. Cultural marxism fits. It fits because 'cultural marxists' critique western culture in an attempt to bring about change in said culture and those making such criticisms are often Marxist.

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All this means is that they are either too stupid or too biased to understand Marxism. In comparison, ideas like Gramsci's cultural hegemony aren't even vaguely similar to babbling about muh privilege.

Could some of these people claiming to be marxists who work in media claim to be, as a means to discredit anything resembling the left?

Someone, somewhere is making money off of social justice.

wew lad. back to pol with you.

Except a) that's not where the term came from, b) the SJWs posting the clickbait that Holla Forums goes trawling for are generally only "marxists" by terms that Holla Forums understands, I.e they are Jewish, feminists, gay, trans, anti racist or maybe even anti capitalist with perhaps a few at a stretch being self proclaimed 'socialists', and c) the ideas of "degeneracy" are not coming from these people. Among other reasons: Racial divides have gone down because of globalism and science. Homophobia has gone down because of the gay rights struggle and people being enlightened away from religion. Women in the workplace is accepted because it increased the labour pool and lowered the living wage, equality of sexes comes from the need of women to get a job to support their family alongside males. the SJW shit is somewhat popular now because of a gradual shift away from economic socialism in the left linked with progressive culture, and towards progressive ideals following capitalist structure or reformism. The vast majority of SJWs in the usa are liberals who vote democrat and support neo-liberal capitalism. Blaming all this and more on supposed "marxists" who would make up a tiny minority of the US population, and hold even less political/economic power is ludicrous.

The cultural marxist conspiracy is just another idiotic joke that Holla Forumstards latch themselves onto to shield away from reality hurting their ideals.

They do not care to understand marxism in a sympathetic terms (unlike you folks), and they acknowledge this readily. They veiw cultural marxism as an extension of societal critique in areas of cultures and values as a means to bring down a system, in order to bring this sort of classless society. That's where they connect it to a greater marxist project of critiquing the status-quo.

Also, also, they see this as a shift, as literally as if the ground is moving, from one form of cultural hegemony (in a sociological sense) to another one. One in where they are witnessing an acceleration of their disenfranchisement. This is where the jewish conspiracy as an explanation fits in. They cannot view this shit as something more complex and nuanced, not because they aren't intellectually capable, but because the conspiracy encourages action. The whole notion of occultism and mysticism and magic is necessary in their view to encounter a force unseen that is behind this shift in hegemonic notions of society.

Also, the fact that the left cannot acknowledge this shift without also being forced acknowledge the sort of ameliorative actions benefiting non-whites while leaving them behind, helps confirm their beliefs. The notion of fairness, and whatever empathy that might afford evaporates when you try to condemn them as undeserving.

Clickbait sensationalism, and also the lack of career opportunities for liberal arts folk outside of writing (which is itself isn't journalism) for 25 bucks an article + whatever views it gets. That's the economics of it.

In their genealogy of cultural marxism, it originated then got transmitted to these other groups. They use the example of the concept of homonormativity to show that these cultural marxist (whom are more closely linked to intersectionalists) are turning against their own.

they do not believe racial divides are going down. they view that we humans are ruled by tribal instincts.

They also do not believe the cultural marxists have much power, and that their power originates from academia and from academia, from the education of people, it gets disseminated.

the point I am trying to make here is that you folks are doing the same caricature circle jerk they are doing, and you guys are basically contributing to further polarization which enables the ugliest to co-opt and gain larger mindshares within your respective spheres. The anti-SJW sentiments that existed, that stem from people intuitive encounters with social justice and intersectionality became the gateway drug for more extreme narratives to come into play. The same way the marxist of the 90s on campus was bringing people in who experienced the inequality of capitalism through awareness, these gateways then became targets of bullies, effectively intersectionalists whom you folks know can turn the left against each other.

they do not believe racial divides are going down. they view that we humans are ruled by tribal instincts.

They also do not believe the cultural marxists have much power, and that their power originates from academia and from academia, from the education of people, it gets disseminated.

the point I am trying to make here is that you folks are doing the same caricature circle jerk they are doing, and you guys are basically contributing to further polarization which enables the ugliest to co-opt and gain larger mindshares within your respective spheres. The anti-SJW sentiments that existed, that stem from people intuitive encounters with social justice and intersectionality became the gateway drug for more extreme narratives to come into play. The same way the marxist of the 90s on campus was bringing people in who experienced the inequality of capitalism through awareness, these gateways then became targets of bullies, effectively intersectionalists whom you folks know can turn the left against each other.

Alright, so what's your point?

My point is that the trick isn't to debunk their beliefs, per se. It is to address their concerns. If you treat them as your enemy, as a reactionary opposed to the change you want to see, they will oppose it and you will be left dumbfounded in your attempts to trying to bring more people into your loop (intersectionality as many of you should already know is an uneasy solidarity). You folks, if you want to win them over, need to address their concerns. If you do not do this work, if you insist that they must commit to a socialist or (insert whatever ideological variation) stance, it is just mere debates, because you are still denying their very valid experience.

Also, if the left can't address their concerns, because either you insist to treat them as reactionaries, or won't try or want to show them that they are wrong or whatever reason, don't be surprised when more radical extremists promise them both diagnosis and treatment for the symptoms they experience.

Also also, addressing concerns isn't an issue of education. Education assumes that if one engages in enough absorption they will see it your way, address the issues accordingly. The same effort the left already engages in to build uneasy alliances amongst muslims and other groups, one of reconciling differences, that's what the left needs to do.

Their concerns are that they don't get a gf, that the blacks are gonna make everyone brown, and that communist will take their houses and rape their women!
Or, that "I cannot become a CEO, because I am not a male" and "muh security is at stake, cause people on the internets are saying things that could potentialy harm someone's feeeeeelings!"

Go on. Tell the bourgie edgy tumblr/pol kiddo, that it has to abandon it's starbucks/mein kampf if it wants any real change.

Come back and tell me how much it changed it's opinion and how it now wants to actually do something other than complaing.

lol

so your response to acknowledging their concerns is to ask them to commit to your ideological program? You make caricatures of their concerns. This is very typical of activist socialists who does the same, as a means to throw those who aren't hardcore, committed enough (of course, by the mocker's standard) under the bus because they aren't into your specific affiliation. That's just partisanship at its worse.

The right views (not conservative/capitalists, the radical right) this shit as a cultural war. They are treating it as such. If this is a war or conflict on values and culture, they need you to be the hapless enemy stand in.

brokendown in gender relationships, especially the notion of happiness once attained in previous generations. this is a concern that needs to be properly addressed by folks who aren't woman haters or have an agenda to use this issue as a gateway to deeper radical beliefs.

keep pretending this shit is phoney reactionary bs, and you will soon see the rise of fascism.

LITTERALY what socialism is about.

Cause by capitalism being shit.

See immigration.

Wut?

Fascism rises, when Capitalism fails to adress it's problems and contradictions. It's the most efficient tool of Capitalism.. (Also, nordic socdem is worse capitalism, best fro fascism to rise).

No. But it looks like you don't get what the user was talking about anyway.

LOL.

re-read the sentence i wrote about merit, empathy and legitimacy, then maybe, just maybe, you will understand how to reach out to those folks, or, you know, let fascism rise because capitalism is failing right now and pretty badly.

you need to address them with empathy and that basis for empathy cannot be eroded. the concept of merit has the ability to create empathy in people.

You can get a horse to the water, but you cannot make it drink.

In the end, if you know how-to-create thought in the brain of the fascist, go on and do it.

I've got better things to do in my short life, than trying to beat sense into edgy kids.

enjoy a shorter life when you find yourself the enemy, also all those edgy kids who are voting in far right governments throughout europe?

Tommy Robinson of the EDL, admitted how the far right is co-opting his movement and why the movement was effective but also open to co-option. He summed up the situation pretty succinctly, to paraphrase: "this stuff is happening everyday in our lives, we see it everyday but nobody, nobody in government wants to talk about it or take it serious and its there, we aren't lying about it and many who want something done will listen to anyone who can offer a solution". It's a vacuum bro, and you are creating it.

I understand what you are saying, but I am not sure if that is the actual counter for the 'cultural marxism caused it' argument in particular.

Cultural marxism is a genealogy that involves what they see as a push from academia to shape culture and cultural values through education. They understand it isn't marxism, but it is related in its orientation towards critiquing cultural values and linking the notion of cultural hegemony as being part of an oppressive apparatus that deserves dismantling. It is a lens they use to understand what they see is happening.

They are looking for explanations of why certain facets of what was the hegemonic is now not the case, and that there is a new hegemony where they feel particularly alienated and, some, out right attacked by. the wiki article on it far from descriptive of how they understand the concept.

Bell hooks, whom they are familiar through Anita, takes the idea of using and transforming the dominant culture as a means to change society and its structures. They see a connection, and there is: a lot of liberal arts students are trained in critiquing cultural values. It's a way to demonstrate that you have to support an interpretation against a text and apply ideas, which are humanistic forms training. Cultural critique shouldn't be perceived as threatening, expect that they see these producers of critique becoming integrated in wide reaching platforms. For them, seeing this, affirms what they call cultural marxism (critique of values and culture to bring about societal change).

I tried over and over again to explain that the links to the Frankfurt school is weak, but the problem is that the humanities uses marxist text to illuminate things and there is a huge corpus of work that feeds into their imagination. Attacking and 'debunking' cultural marxism denies what they experience and that incurs skepticism towards you.

again, cultural marxism as a concept, as used by them, is a genealogy to explain this inclination of cultural critique as a means to bring sweeping change, which helps account for shifts in the hegemonic notions of our society.

also stop thinking about in terms of a 'debate', or education, or as if you can just convince them to see it your way, your utopia will emerge. You need to address them the same way you would address muslims, or other groups with different cultural values.

To be fair I do think that a focus on issues that affect people is a genuine idea, immigration, censorship, everything you listed, but I also think you are attributing far too much to the alt right and the thought they put into their views. For instance I'm sure all of Holla Forums believes that the Jewish marxists who control the media to destroy the white race are real and powerful, and that cultural marxism is based on actual marxists.

There are tiers of alt-right folks. They call it power levels. It gets convoluted. The higher awoke kinds lets the jewish conspiracy occupy an occult-mystical position, something there but beyond perception, but there. They place a lot of value on seeing someone acknowledge the issues, like demographic shifts, coalition politics played by democrats, with naming 'names' (aka blaming jews). This is clearly where they become cultish, but the gateway comes from acknowledging that there is a shift in cultural hegemony and other issues.

It also doesn't matter that cultural marxism is based on actual marxists belief. It is a genealogy they use that connects the project of critique of societal structures ala marx and the impetus of how that the target of critique in the way of a better society with directing that critique to culture as a means to change the societal structure. Even today, genuine marxians are unable to entertain that facets of culture are not mere products of a super structure or economic system, that they have significance to people outside of those narrow lens.

They see this shift. They readily acknowledge that they can see and do witness a connection from these folks in the humanities department attempt to critique and call for a reshaping of culture, and they are witnessing their cultural values that they find important becoming under attack. The deeper alt-right are just waiting for those who can see this to just say the 'name', the jew, and boom, they get co-opted.

Where did it come from, what was its original meaning and how wildly different is it from this?

The example I gave, Noel Ignatiev is a Marxist no?

This is really the heart of it. Campuses are breeding grounds for this 'progressive'. These same students are the ones who attended occupy a few years ago. You cannot dismiss them as capitalists and announce you've won the debate. This is literally no different from me calling them all Marxists. Notice I don't. I call them cultural marxists because while they may be sympathetic to the ideals of the old left, they don't see any path to victory there so they focus their struggle of culture.

A lot of professors, particularly in the humanities are self identifying leftists. That they're indoctrinating their students, or at least influencing them, is not a wild claim. Especially given this exact course of action was advocated by Marcuse and based on the work of Gramsci. Two frankfurt school affiliates if I'm not mistaken.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_long_march_through_the_institutions

actually saved this post. Spooked 4pol here and this is damned accurate.

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Benjamin received a lot of criticism from Horkheimer for using theological elements in his writings.

With this in mind, should the left simply refer to itself as economic marxists? Actually, no, because socialism existed before marx.

100 is the mean by design. Of course IQ is expected to be symmetrically distributed so the mean and the median are theoretically the same.

Do you realize the question and the discourse of 'actual' marxism, socialism, the whole corpus found on various archival sites of essays, tracts and polemics means nothing to those who aren't absorbed by it? When they call you marxist, socialist or whatever, they are doing two things: they are connecting you to larger projects of change (again, they do not believe that the shifts in cultural values are just that, that it just ends there. they deeply believe its about reshaping society and means of production and wealth), and they are connecting you to a group of people who see them as reactionary.

they don't get your intent, and since they can fathom why anyone would do this, they (those more 'redpilled') start naming the name.

np user

also, these people are witnessing something. They talked amongst themselves about the concept of homonormativity not in a positive supportive affirming way but as proof of these intersectionalists/cultural marxists engaging in self consumption where white gay men are becoming less legitimate.

A restoration of a not-so-PC progressive left, and shatter the false dichotomy of PC and NIGGERSNIGGERSNIGGERSKIKESKIKESKIKES

We need to develop a new buzzword, and standard of communication that is not far right-extremism, that offers a a balance of freedom and lack of perceived oppression on both sides, those speaking, and those listening, based on the foundation that humans deserve some level of respect as humans.

Can it be against identity politics?

Humans are inherently tribalistic, which is why previous movements of redefining community have focused on nationalism or stuff like "world citizen"

It might be possible to get away from identity politics, but it may be just as pragmatic for forge a new common identity that takes higher precedence than the ones currently in place.

Lets say you're a German, Aryan, male, father, human, Nazi, factory worker, human, of the house Von Werkenstein, named Hans. This are linguistic labels that become identities. Identity politics has been more about rearranging the priority of some identities over others, which is why it will be difficult to escape identity politics. Identity already exists.

PC culture, and tone policing stems from the need to maintain solidarity amongst wide divergent groups of people. SJWs and the discursive practices they engage in aren't just mere random shit that popped up its head one day…

Except it's not performing that function anymore. See Trump. Also, there's a point where PC becomes so bad, you whitewash the issues, meaning you never actually address them. PC can become subversive to solving real issues.

No it's not, but it is working for them, because it is essentially divide and conquer. It pushes people from the center, which they are not, and pushes them to the extremes, where they are. The fact that people get pushed to the other extreme only helps perpetuate this cycle and cause increasing polarization.

Take for example, blacks. Some blacks don't like talking about crime, education, poverty, welfare, single parent households, because they feel it perpetuates negative stereotypes. At the same time, it also whitewashes those issues so they're never acknowledged, and never fixed, and all the mechanisms that self-perpetuate those states continue to exist. We just don't talk about it. Perhaps at some point, they don't even realize they're leading second-class lives, and have been brainwashed and don't realize they've become second class citizens created by the establishment of PC whitewashing real issues.

That is exactly what it means to remove identity from politics, though. Uniting people through ideas selected by merit is a powerful way to get people to set aside their differences.
Identity politics are just narcissism.

I would argue that political correctness actually erodes cohesion instead of enforcing it. Its actual purpose is to give assholes an excuse to bully others and feel good about it.

I agree, humans are tribalism. We would have to get people 'into our tribe' as it were. Also, is there not already an international identity? The worker? The proletariat?

Did you even read the fucking book? Have you ever read a book?

tribalistic*

Making everyone a Nazi is still identity politics, especially on an international scale.

It's still the politics of identity and uniformity. You still create standards by which someone is judged to be a worker or not. Is an academic or an artist or a manager a worker?

Sadly, such reluctance on their part is not unfounded. Contempt for blacks is so strong as to even be the basis of entire worldviews and personal identities. They have become a sort of metaphysical concept in their own right, a living embodiment of everything in life that is bad and wrong that exists solely to make life miserable for everyone else. It has become so ingrained in society that many black people believe it themselves. When they use welfare programs, they need it out of circumstance; when other blacks use welfare services, they are mostly leeches. When they're confident and physically fit, it's masculine; when other black men are, it's thuggish. Stereotypes about whites are quite similar, and are a common cause of the "white guilt" mentality. After all, when was the last time a Democrat saw himself as a racist hick?

Liberals, being the porky useful idiots they are, also hold blacks with this same contempt, but channel it into pity instead of hatred. Instead of the merits of ideas, modern politics is about gut feelings over menial bullshit while actual policies are for the "experts" to figure out.

Political correctness preventing discussion of important issues is not an externality, it is its purpose. It shamelessly exploits the human tendency to reinforce their own societal circumstances.

Fascism is literally the opposite of what I said, user.

There exists some level of discourse between open oppressiveness and whitewashing that lets us actually discuss the issues, which is what we should strive for.

That means you're going to have to settle for a reduction in micro-aggression, not an elimination, because most of the micro is going to fall in the range of allowable discourse, and instead try to treat the aggregate effects.

Not really, the fasces is based on an idea of unity through identity or ideology.

Couldn't one make the argument they are, at least if they work for a private interest? If they have anti-worker rhetoric, then it might be a different story. That of which something jonestites propagate.

I do hope that term isn't being used unironically.

Micro-aggression.

Is that another word filter like evolved plants?

No, I'm just trying to upset you by saying micro-aggression, thus inflicting a micro-aggression against you and your sensibilities that get upset whenever someone says micro-aggression, because there is no way you could ever prevent all forms of micro-aggression even if someone saying micro-aggression over an over ruins your day. (micro-aggression)

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It's pretty different from the original usage.
Trent Shroyer used it to describe western academic Marxist who critiqued the culture industry and their break from Soviet Marxist.

I'm gonna leave this here.

worse piece of writing ever.

overly voluntarist structure of the narrative is a sensible a priori reason for judging it of dubious
currency. The notion that agents promulgating a subversive set of ideas can shape the dominant
cultural institutions of a modern class society is utterly implausible. The bourgeoisie has never
and would never abide the dissemination of ideas or cultural practices inimical to its reproduction
as a social class

LOL LEWUT?

no, he's a nutjob Maoist who believes everyone has all races biologically inside them at birth, and one comes out depending on your environment.

What I hate more is retarded idiots like Sargon that get shit right sometimes and then go on to cry about muh marxism while failing to understand the concept of fucking class.

He thinks it just means differing groups, as opposed to things tied directly with the means of production. No, whites and blacks aren't separate classes, neither are men and women, or stupid shit like that, Sargon, you fucking idiot. Class is based on materialism. Fuck. I don't know how many times I have to tell people this shit.

He means that "Cultural Marxism" makes no sense as a conspiracy because the ruling class would not just silently take it in the ass.

So basically what far right classcucks think of anyone who considers race unimportant

Untrue. His "Theses" are heavily inspired by Elijah.

Whats you mean 'culture industry'? I mean I googled it and reading the wiki it just seems to me to be describing culture

So they critiqued culture as a tool of the entrenched class, presumably seeking to bring about change in it?

This is essentially a toned-down version of Holla Forums's cultural marxism. Hell, even the names are the same

From what you're saying, their response is premised on a Black Scare that's worked for centuries in America.

To deprogram conservatives is to dismantle the lies one step at a time and that's going to take a while.

So if the ruling class is all powerful and can stomp out any idea, then why are activists within university are effective loci for change? This is what is so weird. The author comes off as an autist who has a robotic mapping of concepts and no will to see what is happening. If it is X, then Y must hold even though the premise of the shit may be a mile off. This is very typical of much activist polemics.

With that sort of thinking, you need gulags for this, or, if you can't get the power, lol

Cultural marxism as a concept is powerful for them. It helps explain shit they experience and majority of you folks laughbly try to say it is the same old, same old. just irrational panting of racism and previous scares fascism has riled up to gain power. ahahahahaha.

There is nothing in that phrase about gulags.

More than likely, there's identity politics being used to divide the working class and make them fear "the other" that is what is directing their anxieties.

youtube.com/watch?v=psnIvnzWNx4

John H Bracey goes into this and how racism is costing America. Maybe you should try understanding what is being wrote instead of throwing out nonsense.

ok

also the thing i quoted mention is how the ruling class would never let anything bad happen to them and will stomp it out immediately, and thus cultural marxism cannot be anything but a conspiracy theory since if it is effective, it goes against the whole notion that the ruling class has all the power to preserve the system.

what do he mean by this?

Just kill whitey

It's hard to read books when they're on fire.

You don't. As with other conspiracy theories, it's a pseudo-religious belief, which is used as a scapegoat for everything they don't like - the fact they can't get a gf or that reality doesn't align with their views. No matter what you say, they will never accept that the perceived failings of the society are - at best - the work of tangible Porky, or - at worst - their own failings or complete spooks. It's just too painful of a realization. Better blame everything on some higher force like the cultural marxist establishment.

Attack their other views and eventually those who are convinced will let go of conspiracy theorism as well.

You do exactly with your semi-mythical porky. Can ever social revolution really be tracked back to porky? If so you guys have already lost so what are we even doing here?

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This thread blames porky for the subversion of western values while offering exactly the same level of proof as the CM theory does.

If somebody tells you that tumblr-tier identity politics is "cultural marxism", as in marxism in the cultural sphere rather than the eonomical, then just ask them what is the cultural equivalent of marxist economic concepts (alienation, exploitation, diamat, hismat and so on). Since they can't answer that because those equivalents don't exist in tumblr theory, you can point out that there is nothing "marxist" in retarded things like manspreading. In fact, "cultural nationalism" is more appropriate in my opinion to describe some sjw stances like "white people should not wear dreadlocks".

And remember OP, the amount of energy necessary to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it. Happy debunking!

Let's be clear though. Cultural Marxism does describe a real phenomenon. There are legitimately people both in theory and on modernity that advocate the demise of certain demographics that supposedly hurt the prole-equivalent. There are legitimately people that apply things like oppressor-oppressed dynamics to society. There are legitimately people that advocate what Holla Forums claims CM does and even ground it in Marxist or pseudo-Marxist logic.
The issue is that it has nothing to do with socialism or Marxism or any of that. It's just often voiced by the same radicals.

Someone cap this post!

Anybody who believes political correctness has anything to do with marxism or socialism must have a low IQ and so isn't to be taken seriously. Maybe biological nationalism is a good name because all those groups defined as victim are so because of their biology.

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You're damned right there is. In fact this is one of the three main theories of sociology. The humanities are so steeped in the terminology of critical theorists and cultural marxists that it becomes almost impossible to discuss one without borrowing terms and ideas from the other.

We can't, 'Cultural Marxism' has now become the catch-all phrase for all progressive ideals except personal freedom.

It's more of a doublethink: the rightist memers believe that the left simultaneously wants absolute subjugation of humanity and the freedom to do things that harm society (read: their feelings). They want freedom for them, not anyone else.

Ultimately, the "Cultural Marxism" meme does not have a basis in reason or history because it doesn't need one to begin with. Calling things "Marxist" is itself a tool for controlling discourse, because people are still salty as fuck over the Cold War era.

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Industries that reflect cultural ideas and norms and shape wants and desires.

They were critiquing capitalism and its effect on an industry that reflects cultural ideas and norms.

How?
Adorno didn't believe there was anyway for the cultural industry to actually effect change on that level.
Most of what they say was already stated by Ed Bernays.

Is this in his book The Meaning of Marxism? I'm interested in reading this argument.

I forgot where I got this, but here's two paragraphs of the opening:

I was actually reading an academic paper on the Frankfurt school which more or less understood there individual philosophies but kept on referring to it as cultural marxism (I suppose because analyzing culture was big for lukacs, adorno and benjamin). So I would say the term can be used without all the tinfoil conspiracy crap, but I still found the repeated use of the term a bit annoying.

You can read it here:

pages.gseis.ucla.edu/faculty/kellner/essays/culturalmarxism.pdf

As for OP's question, why even bother. There isn't any real truth in it, Benjamin would hate the tumblr crowd and despised kitsch, and Adorno (in counter to Benjamin's if we throw enough dialectical images at people they can create emancipatory culture) thought mass cultural production exists to maintain passivity and consumerism.

Kellner is pretty based. The Postmodern Turn is a great book.