Captain Marvel Story time

Do the writers and artist not actually read the events they're doing tie-ins for? Last time I checked Rhodey's suit was pretty wrecked.

Would you bother reading the shit Bendis wrote, or would you just draw the comic quick and collect your paycheck? Because Bendis isn't going to return the favor and read any of the tie ins anyway.

Was it ever clear how long Tony had Ulysses? Plus the worst he did was flick him in the head.

No, but he was surprised that they found him so quickly, and I don't know of any stories that take place for sure while Ulysses is taken. I've argued that, the way it's presented, Banner's death is the morning after Rhodey dies in the Thanos attack, less than 12 hours apart. Meaning, Tony probably only had Ulysses a few hours at most.

Ulysses is Carol and Carol is Ulysses. Does that mean Tony is Medusa now?

Y'all have shitty battleships.

So does Ulysses just have the visions or can he just try to get one?

What has original Thor been doing during this whole thing?

Sea monsters, neo Nazis, and undead ninjas. Oh my.

I guess Ulysses' piss bucket training is really paying off.

Didn't the surfer beat the Hulk during that planet multiple times? Why not just bring him in?

Who the hell is "the national force"?
Is he a disciple of red skull?
Is his name based on the "national action" british political party

I fucked that sentence up. I meant multiple times and planet hulk.

Oh look, Beyonder.

I looked them up, I guess they've actually been around.

And this guy was introduced in Secret Wars II issue 1, all those decades ago.

They're trained to shoot dogs? Also you're wearing swat gear, that's a small dog, and you're with super heroes. Just saying.

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Do you think they'll make an Ultimate Alliance 3 from this event? End.

Good job, Carol. You ruined some lives today.

How do you fuck up the dialogue this badly?

Carol has never looked so flat and mannish.

Normally, the BLACKED shit would piss me off, but Rhodey is fucking Carol when she looks like an androgynous bull-dyke. If she still looked like a bombshell then I would suspect some jew-subversion, but Rhodey has to put up with the "I'm strong and independent and cut my hair to look like a dude" spiel.

So wait, Danvers has set up teams of lawyers and ethicists to stop her from running around arresting people for thought crime and freely admits to T'Challa she set this stuff up on the off-chance that Ulysses makes a mistake… But when Stark later makes the same arguments about the predictions she runs off rather than answer and when a woman Ulysses pegged as a suicide bomber turns out to not have a bomb she arrests her anyway and then declares her a undercover Hyrdra agent to try to justify doing so? Does Danvers have some sort of super-inconsistentcy power or just Marvels writers?

Well, at least they posted his bail.

I will say this though, it seems like this is still making sure to be a comic book with something resembling a story. Which is more than has been happening in the Bendis written Iron Man book, where NOTHING FUCKING HAPPENS. These make Carol a little more understandable, she's not in a good position and he's really frustrated and probably not suited for this role. But there's no trace of this doubt or feeling or responsibility in the main book, or even in Ultimates. She just comes off as a dismissive cunt in those. Maybe that's supposed to be part of the point, that she shuts people out, when letting them in would avoid a huge list of problems, but you gotta sell that in the core book as well, or the whole event feels hollow. You should HAVE to read a tie in for core elements of a main character's motivation and state of mind.

I mean, unless the next issue of this shows that she has gone fucking insane and doesn't care about the law anymore, how is this even the same Carol that Bendis is writing? And without that consistency, who cares about the shared Marvel Universe at all?

Opps, I meant you shouldN'T have to read a tie in for core elements of motive and such. Some of this should be set up in the main book. Even if Bendis throws something in at the end, it doesn't come off as good writing.

Go back to Holla Forums, retard.

There are actually some white cucks who pay for this garbage.

y so butthurt, jewpig

Worse. The Captain Marvel movie could be based on this crap.

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Where the hell is Blackbolt

Hell no. There's a reason UA2 diverged from the first Civil War in its third act. It'd be hard to salvage anything of worth from CW2 and make a game out of it.

The MCU takes very little from the comics as is, it'd be hard to spin an event that portrays. If anything, they'll probably draw from Deconnick's run. I believe one of the supposed screenwriters hinted at such.

Crazy cat lady in the statue of liberty here we come!

I have no idea what that means, but I'm curious to find out.

What direction does the game take things?

Also, Marvel only commissions lousy mobile or Diablo knockoffs anymore.

Avengers: Operation Galactic Storm should have had Drunk Warbird.

Not that you would have been able to tell because the graphics were THAT BAD.

God-fucking-damn it.

The conflict over registration gets put on hold when the nanites used to control the villains on Iron Man's side become sentient and threaten the entire world. Naturally both sides come together to save the day. The Tinkerer did it

Pink paste

is this before rhodey died?

for a minute i thought the canadian rep was Justin Trudeau.

well I mean the ATF shoot dogs all the time so I'm not surprised.

was carol always this bad?

I legitimately thought Carol in that first panel was some generic homo for a bit

I take it Deconnick's run is the worst. At the very least they could base it on the run back when she had the Warbird costume.

The issue there is that everything prior to her Captain Marvel facelift/whitewash is heavily reliant on a pretty troubled foundation. She's a spin-off of a character the MCU has yet to introduce (Mar-Vell). Her "development" as a character is actually the sum total of attempts to salvage her after Avengers #200 with appearances in the ongoings of other characters. Even her post-House of M ongoing was cut at the knees by subsequent events that left little breathing room for her to actually come into her own.

It's pretty obvious they're going to have to build MCU Carol up from. I'm not really worried about them drawing from Deconnick's run because the general consensus seems to be that its a whole lot of nothing.

maybe they could base it off of the avengers earth mightiest heroes cartoon. That version seemed pretty good.

She's literally has brain-damage that mess with her memory every time she fly. Look it up

When Gyrich is the voice of reason you know the situation is totally fubar.

She lived in the Statue of Liberty with her cat. KSD's run sold 19K right before it was cancelled. It's a shame Marvel caters to the Kelly corps, not the people who actually buy comics.

Either she has incompetent lawyers who ignore Due Process like the She Hulk currently does or they're spineless yes men who fear for their very lives if they dare disagree with Carl. Or they could be Hydra's Lawyers. The Red Skull should really be happy with what Col Manvers is up to…

Then a sniper needs to give her a .50 caliber anti matter/depleted uranium brain hemorrhage or someone needs to find a cape with healing abilities to reinsulate Wardyke's attic. Doesn't Synapse or Iron Fist have healing powers?

The healers of Marvel, such as Dr. Strange, suffer from a bad case of the Reed Richards Is Useless trope.

The odds of that working are about the same as finding an important character able to heal a bullet wound

How many heroes do have the power to heal others? Usually it's just flight and some kind of lasers.

With carols no-chest, dyke cut and muscular build this panels looks like a gay sex scene from Mass Effect 3.

>tfw I have the same haircut as Carol does in this particular panel, they really need someone to slap people over how inconsistent it is

Seriously user, EVERYONE has her haircut, it is that inconsistent.

I know she's been around for a long time, but I still don't think Captain Marvel is really the kind of A-Lister that deserves constant story focus in a massive event like this. She's not especially interesting and they've already done a great deal of damage to her character by making her a completely unreasonable cunt with no rational argument or excuse for the things she's done.

And to top it off, we've got all this Captain America iconography slapped onto her, like we're supposed to look at Carol and perceive her the same way we perceive the real Cap, who they've been trying to neuter for years now, just so they can do shit like this.

I forget what book it was, but I know it was posted recently. It had a scene were Obama was telling Rhodey that they want to build him up so he can run for President. I just want to know if that was something published before they killed him or after. It really feels like one of those "let's throw this in to extra sell his death" to further force this terrible event down all our throats. Which sucks because Rhodey running for President down the line could be an interesting story, and things like his relationship with Tony could be used as drama during all of it.

All the dead and sidelined characters in this are more interesting than Carol.

But user, cleavage or any indication of boobs would mean supporting the patriarchy and it would also be promoting jew propaganda or some stupid Holla Forums shit like that

Man there is more black people than in a NBA team…

I think it was before his death but yeah idea is interesting enough but knowing marvel they'll fuck it up. So enjoy having Loki as your new president.

you have that comb over douchebag hair cut? Why? I'm not trying to be condescending I'm just curious.

Let's not exaggerate, it looks pretty half and half. This is the ratio for the NBA: 74.4 percent black players, 23.3 percent white players, 1.8 percent Latino players, and 0.2 percent Asian players.

If she had Kamala or Thora like sales I'd see Marvel's point. Sadly, there's not enough turd polish to make her shine.

Do both of them seriously outsell the shit out of Carol? It really seems like nothing Marvel purposefully tries to push does any good.

You try to learn authentic human interaction in a liberal arts course.

They've forgotten the rules that Stan Lee laid out.

1) Have a Provocative Beginning; 2) Use Smooth Continuity from Panel to Panel; 3) Use Realistic Dialogue to Create Good Characterization; 4) Maintain Suspense; and 5) Provide a Satisfactory Ending.

Of course is doesn't help that when Marvel filed its Chapter Eleven, they also e-bayed all their Secret Scrolls that delineated the house style that kept their stable of hacks from sucking beyond what was publishable, like Wally Wood's "Panels That Always Work", which I believe was snatched up at auction.

comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2016/2016-07.html

I shit ye not.

52 Mighty Thor 9 $3.99 Marvel 48,712

82 Ms Marvel 9 $3.99 Marvel 28,313

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86 Ultimates 9 $3.99 Marvel 27,588

95 A-Force 7 $3.99 Marvel 23,939

96 Captain Marvel 7 $3.99 Marvel 23,895

If I were a shareholder at Disney I'd want hard answers why a loser who can barely crack the top 100 is getting a massively budgeted solo movie.

Shit… and I checked Squirrel Girl, Mockingbird and Devil Dinosaur, all of which do EVEN WORSE. I guess in that regard, Carol isn't doing terrible, but very, very mediocre. And this is 3 issues into Civil War II, an event with Carol being pushed to the center of the spotlight. Which gives more evidence to the concept that people read events because the characters they DO enjoy are basically held hostage by every large crossover.

I was thinking last night, if I was in charge I'd just killed Carol off and focus more on Kamala, but even she's not THAT much more popular. I thought she'd sell a lot more considering how much she's pushed as well At least she's not selling as shitty as Nova though, with his below 17K sales

JoJo

This is the anti-thesis to JoJo

This fan fiction has become a joke .

Is Marvel full of Canada writers?

Canadians are overepresented

If I were Marvel I'd have She Hulk go totally Apeshit Savage & then attempt a WWSH movie around her Avenging her cousin and make Carol pay for using her.

You'll also notice that without Lootcrate buoying CW2 sales, interest is taking a downward sales swing.

It's also be interesting to see how long Marvel keeps using the same rote formula for their movies before the current fad ends…

Yours til the next train wreck,

user

>>>/jojo/
>>>/a/

No U

I'd say she acts like any woman in a position of power, but that would be giving the Marvel hacks too much credit.

Shut up, cuck. The ubiquitous interracial "romance" where some nigger fucks a white –and invariably blonde, because what's more Aryan than that? – woman is both insulting and revolting. Marvel pulled the same exact shit in Whor.

It's leftists that take objection to sexualized women, retard, not the Holla Forums boogeyman.

I think what you are seeing here is a Editor-in-Chief with a weak wrist, letting each writer of each book to do their thing without any concerns about crossbook consistency.

Because thats the price you pay to have Carol in any form that vaguely resembles sympathetic.

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What do you think this is? The 70s?

So, does this count as our Civil War II thread, since new comics are out today?

Well, eitherway, I guess I'll post this. Kamala is the one person who looks up to Carol the most, so let's take a look at how much Carol being a fuck up messes up her life.

Hey, nice friend you got there. Be a shame if something were to happen to him…

Kamala putting her foot down.

Now, I accept that MAYBE these kids got the blue nazi uniforms themselves, but this armor suit? Did they make that or did Carol issue it to them?

Kamala spouts some inspirational poster stuff, and then Carol arrives. Carol will fix everything!

Seriously, Carol? That's how you handle this shit? This girl fucking WORSHIPS YOU and you can't even really hear out her concerns or do anything to console her? You just bring the whole thing back to YOURSELF so that she feel guilty for even trying to bring it up to you. You manipulative, dickish cuntrag.

Plans are set in motion, but ultimately life is a series of painful moments and then you die.

And next month she'll smash the glass ceiling or something.

Classic Carol.

Why would you want Captain Marvel to listen to a terrorist?

So why are they fighting?

So are we seriously supposed to believe that these four students alongside Ms.Marvel were able to make a noticeable impact in the crime rate of a decently sized city? Even with 100% accurate data from Ulysses that's kind of ridiculous, especially since "major crime" implies they're going around the place grabbing gangsters, rapists and murderers.

Either Jersey City has a shit police force that bothers to record so little crime that Ms.Marvel nabbing some Canadian ninja terrorist leads to a decently sized chunk being taken out of "recorded" crime or the Future-Socialist-American-Hipsters-Party here have apparently been spending all their time off-panel gunning down dozens of gangsters each to hit figures that big.

Also, wasn't the whole point of sticking Ms. Marvel in charge of the program here that Danvers didn't have the time to micro-manage the project so she delegated it to someone she trusted? Because giving the random students a direct line to her without telling the person allegedly in charge here seems like a sure-fire way to rob Ms.Marvel of any authority (which is then backed up by Danvers arriving in person to tell the kid to shut up and follow orders). Either Danvers couldn't decide who was in charge, has no idea what she is doing or purposefully set the whole thing up to fuck with Ms.Marvel. The whole "I need to prove Ulysses right to justify muh dead Rhodey" thing really should have lead to her getting replaced with literaly anyone else. Hell, Stark would probably have been able to do her job better than she has so far, at least he hasn't been sticking his fingers in his ears going "lalala muh dead boyfirend, muh accurate predictions".

Honestly, the more I see of Danvers in this event the more that the "serious brain-damage" twist here makes sense. If it didn't completely undermine the entire premise of the event I'd even accuse Marvels writers of having some form of competentcy and consistentcy in foreshadowing this with how much she seems to flip-flop on every decision she seems to be making.

Danvers wants to use a future predicting guy to stop all crime everywhere before it happens and arrest everyone on the basis of what that one guy claims, even if there is no-other evidence that the suspects aren't law-abiding citizens than the intial prediction. Stark wants to find out how the predictions work and primarily use them only as an early-warning system for stopping big end-of-the-world scale events. They fight because super-heroes don't know how to discuss and compromise on issues.

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NICE RIP OFF OFF A SPIDER-MAN COVER, YOU TALENTLESS FAGGOT!!!!

Actually, Stark proved in the last big Civil War issue that Ulysses isn't predicting the future, but just calculating data to predict a possible future that may or may not happen.

It's basically the super hero equivalent of racial profiling, except somehow worse.

So Danver's is going full retard with the mental fortitude of a 20 something naive female. Please tell me she's not the hero in this.

It is a "homage," got a reel in the collectors goy.

Pure coincidence.

I still can't get over these blue Nazi uniforms. I mean, Carol even flew down and saw them, did she not think "Wow, my people look a lot like blue Nazis!" This entire event seems to be focused on making Carol the most despicable character possible.

Which leaves the question of WHY. Do they have some absurd plan to make her a lot more popular down the line, or are they purposefully shitting on the character out of jealousy that people just watch the movies and don't read the books?

That's so cheap and lazy I believe it.

I just want to say I hate this.
I don't hate it because of what it is.
I hate it because of what it made me feel.

I don't care for Ms. Marvel because like the other enforced minority characters I think she's built with a bunch of bad ideas and her primary thesis is "I'm so muslim and that's hard in 'murica!"

Its dumb.

But this actually, somehow, makes me empathize with her. She's got these big shoes to fill, and she's just a kid so clearly she doesn't know shit, but she knows just enough to look at the adults and realize they're fucking up all over the place with no idea how to say it. And on top of that you have fire crotch and the Hitler youth. Double points that the fucking ginger is super white and Marvel is super brown.

This whole thing is a bad idea and the person from the culture that spawns fucking terrorist bombers knows its a bad idea and can't do anything about it.

That's… actually good storytelling…

Out of all the terrible. Terrible. Terrible. Story around it.

I hope she beats that pretentious little goose-stepping cunt half to death.

This is nignog talk. Not terrorist talk.

I'd argue a huge factor is the deterrent one. Assuming there is cross-polination between the books, everyone knows the struggles of Kingpin and his ruined setup because everyone he associates with gets arrested.

Would you plan a heist, when you know a superhero will come trough the door to stop you? Not can. WILL.

Guy looks like he wants to get down on his knees to serve his bull at this very moment.

Ms. Mudslime hasn't been killed off for shock value yet?

She outsells all non CW2 titles which include both She Hulk & Wardyke.

I'd pay good money to see a movie featuring a Muslim QT embiggening and tearing New Jersey apart. A butch sociopath who's drunk on power? Not so much…

The question is, will Carol actually get 3 movies, or will they kill her off to replace her with Kamala in the movies early?

Though at least with the movies, it's a fresh start. They don't have to deal with several decades of one of the most fucked up and convoluted characters ever. A character whose best days were when she was a background element for an INFINITELY MORE INTERESTING character.

If you're gonna insult me then at least use a term that can actually apply.

cuckold
The husband of an adulteress, often regarded as an object of derision.

adultery
Voluntary sexual intercourse between a married person and a person who is not his or her spouse.

Tell me honestly, would anyone give half as much of a fuck if that was Steve instead of Sam? The scene is still stupid and unnecessary, it's just treated as a bigger deal than it actually is.

That is my bad in the way I said it. I was referencing in regaurds to the Holla Forums stuff.

It'll be interesting to see if CM sells more tickets than the Ghostbusters abortion.

It's about as likely as Miles Morales replacing Peter in future Spidey films; Not likely at all.

It will. As much as I hate the books, I don't see a reason to suddenly miss a Marvel movie in theater, when they've all been at least watchable. I know a lot of the good animation writers (the guys from before Loeb ruined everything) help with the films, so they've definitely got a plan for Carol that will fix her up. I just don't know how long term a plan it is. I know the general idea is to have 3 movies for everyone, hopefully they'll focus her on a lot of cool cosmic stuff.

Peter has been in publication consistently, and beloved by fans, since his creation. Miles will probably NEVER be more popular than Peter, no matter what he does. Kamala is outselling every book Carol stars in, except the core CW2 books (which only sell because fans are addicted to finding out which characters they actually like will be killed off next).

I decided to watch a bit of the episode of EMH where Carol first appears as Ms. Marvel. I forgot how much I liked this show. I guess I try not to think about it much since Marvel animation is trash now.

True, but that and her rather obnoxious push doesn't necessarily translate to interest at Marvel Studios. As bland as Carol is, she's inherently a safer bet for a movie than a Muslim teen superhero that might not be relevant years down the line. It doesn't help that she and her origin are tied to the Inhumans, whose film is in development hell (I wonder why) and have little traction outside of Agents of SHIELD, which isn't even explicitly acknowledged by the MCU films.

I'm glad that fuck Perlmutter is out of the loop. As much as ScarJo has been in some shit movies, I'm sure they could have done a great Black Widow movie if he hadn't fought it (as long as she was Russo Black Widow, and not 8 quips a second Whedon Black Widow). Black Widow is also a much easier character to translate to film, as it would just be pure spy stuff.

I think the problem with the Inhumans is there is some backroom dealing with Fox over a X-Men crossover, or even the Fantastic Four rights. If either of these things turn out to be happening, Inhumans get pushed out or pushed back. If mutants suddenly became part of the MCU (farfetched, I know) then Inhumans are out indefinitely. If the Fantastic Four have been opened up to Marvel, they'd probably focus on Marvels First Family, and then have them introduce the Inhumans.

AoS is so fucking bland. I'm glad it's not really acknowledged. The Netflix shows kick the everloving shit out of it.

The racial profiling shit is just the retarded logic they're using to try to somehow make the whole event socially relevant. Ulysses' power is basically just Laplace's Daemon.

I've heard that all the supervillain shit the pro-registration side got up to in the first Civil War was a result of the writers assuming that the audience would automatically be on Tony's side and making a ham-handed attempt at inserting a little moral ambiguity into the situation.

Maybe Bendis is doing the same for Carol?

Farfetched enough that it could be fun to speculate on, though. How do you think they'll do it if it winds up happening? Having mutants suddenly start showing up in the MCU would probably be the worst way to go about it. Do you think they might wind up going for some sort of inter-universe crossover? Possibly involving Mojo?

I actually have been thinking, if they do a one off crossover (which I think is more likely, as it gets them both the crossover money and attention without a huge decade long commitment) that the most logical way to do it would be crazy universe crossing due to Scarlet Witch. Her powers are vague enough, and her alternate self in the X-Men universe could lead to some interesting stuff. Have the Avengers trying to find her and stop her, as she's unknowingly putting both worlds in jeopardy and the X-Men feel the only way to fix things is to kill her. Toss in some other problems, like Magneto, and it could fill a movie easily.

For something like a longterm deal, they'd have to basically say that mutants have been around for a long time, but it was a well kept secret. Maybe even say that Prof. X has been mindwiping people who found out about mutants for years. They'd have to do a full X-Men reboot into the MCU though, and probably recast everyone. Mutants would have to start showing up in almost everything, just to build a stable of them to use on various shows. I suppose if they really wanted mutants to just "start showing up" they could have a few mutants that have existed in secret for a while (guys like Prof. X and Magneto) while the vast majority had their X gene activated after the events of Avengers. As mutants are due to Celestial experimentation on ancient humans, it could be reasoned that they have a built in trigger to activate in mass should the Earth be threatened by an alien menace. As soon as that blue space laser appeared over Stark Tower, that was it, mutants have been coming out of the woodwork at a rate they can't keep secret anymore.

who is this ninja guy?

wait so this feminazi has some big scheme planned against Carol and Kamala? How the fuck is some ginger chick going to take on Carol?

He's a Canadian ninja that Ms. M busted a few issues ago after he stole a tank that was going to explode and kill him along with a few hundred people. There is a lot of Canada in this event.

… girl power? I don't really have an answer for that, even her busting out fancy armor is a new development. The most I assumed she was packing before this issue was a taser.

Maybe the MCU version will be based off of this version in the show. Carol actually seems likable and has an actual character.

God Ronan was done better here than in the films.

do you think for a black widow movie they would introduce Yelena?

Its odd that Marvel has this weird obsession with Canada lately. I get they got Alpha Flight but they were always background characters and were only relevant because of Wolverine being a former member of their team.

I think Basic Becky's plan is more to supplant Ms. Marvel as Carol's young protege and number one student. Basically, wait until they're fighting one another, do some hardcore sabotage to Kamala's image, then present herself as the new alternative candidate to take on the Ms. Marvel mantle.

It actually makes no sense to me whatsoever. Canada is somehow calling the shots over SHIELD and its subsidiaries through Alpha Flight, except Carol is a member of the US military and SHIELD and its subsidiaries are an international task force which ostensibly means they answer to the United Nations in general and probably the Security Council in particular.

Now that does explain Gyrich, who has been a longtime UN Security Councilor with a special mad on for unregulated mutants, but that doesn't explain all this extra legal unilateral powers stuff going on. The UN is run by a rude alchemy of diplomacy and dick measuring by its member nations. They probably do have black sites and the like, but nothing as retarded obvious as Gitmo, which has been the template for Stark's extra dimensional prison during the last Civil War and Carol's holding people without trial in Hitler Youth facilities now.

Its like the people writing this first assume that everywhere is America, and then without a lick of research, throw around terms without knowing what they mean. As a soldier Carol is answerable to the United States government. As SHIELD is UN run if she's running SHIELD she's doing so at the behest of the US as their security rep to the UN. That means she actually can't do whatever the fuck she wants and she can't just blanket wash it as pre-crime, because every unilateral use of her political sanction must definitively come under review by the UN and not just by Canada.

That means so far she should be under review for the death of War Machine, she should be receiving a more stringent investigation about the death of hulk than the one she received in comic (and I don't see no JAG officer in that courtroom), and her mental well-being should absolutely be in question given her history of alcohol abuse, her obvious conflict of interest given her personal relationship with Rhodey, and the escalating body count under her tenure. A commanding officer is ultimately responsible for both the behavior of the people under her command - like Hawkeye - and her own decorum as a commander.

She's fucking up all over the place.

If the "Nu Illuminati" were any kind of smart they wouldn't be trying to talk her down. They would gather up all this information just laying around and take it to JJJ who will print the truth no matter how ugly because it's the truth. When people learn about her extra legal prisons, her Hitler Youth program, the shitty way she's run things, and how she's doing this all outside government oversight there will be a thirty-megaton clusterfuck because at the end of the day no one elected her the end all and be all of the legal process.

Yeah a lot of Marvel writers recently have that tendency to write every person and thing as American despite their being cultural differences. Hell Old Marvel actually did acknowledge cultural differences. After reading what you just said I don't think Marvel can be saved at this point.

If you really _really_ want to go down the rabbit hole lets remember that Black Panther is/was the monarch of a sovereign nation which as far as I can tell is not a UN client nation. They Wakandans are far too self important and 'civilized' to demean themselves by engaging in diplomacy with lesser nations.

And yet the Black Panther operates with impunity, going wherever he wants, and apparently helping this rogue super and her pre-crime division to arrest American citizens without due process or civil rights - a black man denying people their civil rights, ha! - where ostensibly he has no jurisdictional claim and his diplomatic immunity doesn't apply. That means any pre-crime Black Panther helps find is fruit of the corrupted tree. None of it can be called as evidence in any litigation. What's more, because he's not a recognized officer of any sort of public organ of governance (that extra legal shit cuts both ways) he's not helping arrest people; he's committing kidnapping.

Cause that's what heroes do.

Shut up, cuck.

No one can be this stupid.

That was a rhetorical question.

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Kinda, a "Flawless Predicter"/Laplace's Demon also would take the fact that it predicts in account when calculating the future (as doing so would also "move" Atoms). and will only relay information in a way that makes it unpreventable, hence why it is basically Determinism, not even itself would be able to prevent its predictions since it "calculated" it making it.

Ulysses Future has been prevented on more then one occasion, ergo it is flawed, and that is not even going into Kingpins "Invisible" Henchman.

Ulysses power is too flawed to be "Laplace's Demon", at least in the current state since the deal with the "Demon" is that the intelligence takes EVERYTHING into account, including itself.

TL:DR: Despite being shilled as being good enough to be one, Ulysses is NOT a Laplace's Demon, just Laplace's Retard.

No, it was a non-sequitur, cuck.

Just Wally Wood's "Panels That Always Work" certainly would help out in the era of 3 pages of action and 21 pages of coffee house chatting. I have to force myself to keep interested in comics now, every week I see the shit they produce and wonder who is paying money for this?

Man DC is just crushing Marvel in sales. It is sad to see a once great company fall so far that they need constant crossover events to even break the top ten.

This is correct.

I don't know, it really sounds like it's the only thing you can say.

Fads come & go. Western, Noir, etc. Tastes change.

Disney & Marvel keep releasing movies with the same basic formula. Their 8 year run has been quite lucrative. With a recession on the way, will this cash cow keep on keeping on? Only Time will tell.

Man marvel sucks now
Carol looks like a dyke
And the #notallmuslims prog bullshit character is somehow the least horrible, that's how bad everything else is

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That is still not how that word works.

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But you did get rekt'd, fam.

I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed you can't do better than repeating cuck over and over.

CUCK

I can't help you be better at insulting people user. All you've ever done was call me a cuck. So please continue, maybe one day you'll get better. Until then, I am truly sorry.

Waaaait a minute. These simplistic insults, the one-word sentences, the obnoxious shouting…

I think HJ-PGA has finally crawled out of his hole.

Hey, don't blame me. If you argue like a cuck, whine like a cuck, and defend race-mixing like a cuck, well…

You mean one-time former mod, Canadian ninja and Ms. Muslim villain Highjinx?

Wrong dude, dude. Also, I don't think I used any one word sentences.

Indeed.

"CUCK!" vs "PADDED CELL!"

See what I mean?

I was the one getting yelled cuck at.

I know, I was talking to you about it. Guess I should've put down the other guy's post first.

SHUT THE CUCK UP!!!

… Perhaps it's fitting that a thread dedicated to an event authored by Bendis descended into one faggot calling another faggot cuck repeatedly.

It would be a logical thing to do, at least have her as an agent of a larger villain to start. I don't know what the comics did with her after her first appearance, but two hot spy women doing flip kicks at eachother would sell tickets.

If I had to reason any of this out, part of it would be that Marvel Canada has long been MUCH STRONGER than real Canada. On top of forming Alpha Flight, they overall Canadian government has long been into some shady shit (though I forget if the Weapon X program was directly tied to the Canadians or not).

Otherwise, Carol is only former Air Force, and has been retired since before she became Ms. Marvel. I think the power structure here is that she answers directly to this board of governors, which I suppose has representatives beyond just UN members. Considering Marvel Earth's position with other races, is Alpha Flight now a cosmic UN created to mitigate damage to and from Earth? I mean, our planet has a pretty big dick, it would be stupid for alien races to not participate if offered a chance to have representatives closer to it at all times. None of this seems explained though, so exactly how politics are handled in the Marvel U is a mystery.

As for Black Panther enforcing things, I assume he has powers given to him due to his standing in the board of governors, and respected by the USA. Even without that, I have to assume that, since the Avengers were several times government sanctioned, he has certain law enforcement powers due to being a member. And even if none of that was the case, he probably counts as deputized by Carol or the Board of Governors while enforcing future crimes. Of course, T'Challa is also completely comfortable ignoring nearly any American law he sees fit in the interest of Wakanda, so even if EVERYTHING he did was illegal, I doubt that would stop him.

I hope so. One thing I really liked in that episode is that she kinda fangirls a bit when Tony asks her to join the Avengers, you can tell it really is an honor to her. And that's an element that I wish the comics kinda kept around, that she really does have a lot of love and admiration for the other heroes. Of course, it's part of her that basically went away when the Avengers all just kinda let her be dragged off to be raped by her own space baby. But since the space baby rape will NEVER be in the movies, I guess we might actually end up with an optimistic HERO instead of the bland idiot that's in the comics right now.

They are literally dressed like Brocken from World Heroes.

Speaking of Canada…

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This has been Civil War II: Choosing Sides, Issue #5.

Thoughts?

That cover

Yes, that image accurately sums up my feelings on the matter, too.

Fucking, Jesus, wholly shit, what an uninspired mess. First off, ever faction is unsympathetic and fighting for such a boring, and petty reason that shouldn't even be happening. There's too much writer wish fulfillment, I get it, Canadians have small dicks, but common, do they not see the parallel level of cringe if it were Donald Trump beating the shit out of Guardian? Have they no sense of self awareness at how bad it looks.

Next up. The fight scenes. Fucking atrocious. The Man-Thing fight in particular looks fucking horrible. There's no flow and articulate movement. No actual fight aesthetic.

Finally Sam Jackson and The Hoff battle to the death.

Livewires had a good use of Fury LMDs. I liked those guys better than this one, but I guess it's an ok LMD.

Jessica Jones is a shit driver
I have no idea who The White Fox is, but she's fighting Agent Brand? If so, I like Agent Brand.
And this whole Nick Fury thing could have been finished a while ago with no loss to the story.

I think the less said about the stupid Trudeau story, the better. I mean… come on.

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You guys know Bendis and Marvel literally work with the CIA, right? Black Male, White Female is literally a PSYOP.

Well they're fucking horrible at it.

I remember there being an article which stated the military and the CIA work with Hollywood and Netflix to make anti-ISIS propaganda or something. So there may be credence to what you're saying.

She'll start out as the Hope Solo/Hillary Clinton of the cape world. If Marvel keep going with the Asshole's Redemption formula, like they did with Thor, Iron Man, & Star Lord, then Carl will become less of a psycho cunt as her franchise wears on.

you delusional fucking retard.
fuck off

OYYY VEEYYYY

no. retard. Forced romance+ racemixing is worse than just forced romance on it's own you stupid cuck

fuck off Louis you cuck.
you can't defend yourself.
You can't insult back.
You're just a weak ass beta cuckold who buys from the Big Jew

Huge autistic posts like this make me wonder if any Holla Forums is cursed to be filled with idiots. I mean, you're just yelling at posts, some of which are almost a week old. Do you seriously want to drag everyone you replied to to be dragged into a NON Holla Forums TOPIC, due to you being retarded? You're entire post is nothing but cliches.

Look at your fellow posters. Lurk, and learn from them.

calm down autismo, we aren't the reason you're a virgin loser with no life spending 100% of his time on some shitty image board

Take a glance at the credits for these books. You may note the name "Gage." That means thought is put into creating an authentic (not necessarily realistic) world. Who writes Sam Wilson? Spencer, which means he'll throw anyone under the bus to serve his narrative. Who is writing Iron Man? BENDIS, which means I don't need to explain further.

That or he being literally Ms. Tumblr has her speaking like "Ratchet Pussy".

She's an americanized Muslim who browses tumblr what else would you expect.

Shit forgot not to namefag when not /wos/ but honestly if you read into it she's exactly Ms. Tumblr in all it's infamy.

Honestly being a kid is one thing but she's just one of the most god awful representation of a "modern teen hero" and you know this shit will be forgiven because "muh cute waky paki muslim".

I wouldn't even mind her flaws as long as they called her out on it.

Hell it'd be kind of interesting if they dealt with the generational differences like how her parents know what their homeland was like and how they retain their culture compared to how their daughter is so Americanized with little connection to her heritage.

… Is the blond guy having a seizure?

Ah, nevermind, read the thing.

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuu, it's not some vague prophecy from the Oracle at Delphi, you hacks! He literally has explicit visions of events. If he saw SLJ killing LMD Fury to save shield, it would be clear to him which "Nick Fury" needed to die, and there would be no reason for him to botch the message. He would know that SLJ doesn't die on the mission, as well.

They're very inconsistent with Ulysses powers aren't they.

Knowing how much of a self-insert she is between Wilson and Anat, she'll never be called on the carpet for her bullshit not to hurt her as a "strong female protagonist" and as a muslim. If anything for as much as she espouses heroism and would have the "I am an American" speech if anyone called her on the Islam card, dollars to durkas she'd tow the line with the views of her parents, no matter how intolerant they may be.

Hell one of the most wasted points for character development had her confront an Iman who was actually misogynistic and telling her to sit in the back of the mosque and shut up because she was a woman. Instead of giving it her can do, rebellious attitude she shows off to everyone else she just whimpers and cries in the corner like a punk.

Sadly the above was when Wilson, her creator was writing for her. This bodes ill for her because if she's this much of a hypocritical crybaby when Wilson writes her, how in the hell do you think she's gonna come off when BENDIS gets his grubby hands on her.

I remember that Wilson the creator of Kamala is a white woman who's a recent convert to Islam. Just wondering how bad she is.

It's pretty bad. Honestly I've seen the type of convert Wilson is and it's frightning.

Most converts like her convert because of two reasons. They are somewhat interchangable but it comes up a lot more than you think.

The first one is that they feel marginalized by society and a Muslim man comes in and sweeps them off their feet. He's charming until he puts a baby in you and then treats you like cattle. The woman wanting that feeling of belonging stays with her conversion, especially since the men take full control and ownership of the children. Many don't even get legally married and it's all ceremonial stuff, great for the guy but horrible for the woman. In the end she played herself and is now a slave to Islam and is nothing more than a trophy wife pumping out babies and beaten if she dares go against anything the man says and the community enforces that mindset.

The second is more tumbly in nature and I think this is what Wilson is. Similar to the above it's based on feeling marginalized and wanting a feeling of self-worth and attention. However unlike the first who was tricked, they instead try to trick everyone else by joining into the newest "shock-trend" that's going on. Anything that is contrarian to the norm and looks rebellious they jump in to show how amazing they are. The current shock trend is "women converting to Islam" because of the "islamophobia" against it that says women are oppressed.

Although women are in fact oppressed in Muslim countries under Islam, in America it's more like the "Paris Hilton with a chihuahua in the purse" trend. They join because they know it will get them attention and anytime they want something they can bring their conversion to Islam into to mix to validate their actions, no matter how wrong they may be. This also shows up on how cutesy they want to act showing that they are "American and Muslim too" but watch as even the most vile shit a person can do, regardless of race/etc. will be validated by them if it pertains to Islam. There are a select few that are tricked into thinking that by converting they can spread the "peace" of Islam but in the end they played themselves and as soon as their worth is up for being a poster woman, she'll probably end up like the first example.

Honestly at worst I think Wilson converted for a publicity stunt. At best I think she's just a misinformed woman who thinks she a new age trendsetter who converted to Islam but lives such a sheltered life she really doesn't know what she got into with her conversion.

Do you think she will regret her decision and renounce or will she still go along with it?

Depends. Does she have a mussie husbando who will insist her girl-children be circumcised?

The thing I'm bugged by is Gyrich being right but still out of character. Even with Ulysses, why would he bend over and let them control Alpha Flight through Carol with Ulysses and break laws in other sovereign nations, especially America.

That an Gyrich absolutely hated unregistered/unchecked mutants because of the powers they could have used against the common people. In fact he was one of the de-facto people who was okay with the Genosha fiasco years ago. Why would he be okay with Inhumans running around in America with unchecked and unregistered powers, damaging property/etc, and also having Attilan to run to when they commit acts of terror and ignore other nations sovereignty? In fact there are several Inhuman acts that go against Alpha Flight representatives and the UN and they haven't got a single repercussion for them, especially since they inhabit US territory.

Regardless of his mutant hatred, why doesn't it click that they are just like mutants but worse? In fact Inhumans have actually waged war on humanity before and he doesn't think that with the cloud creating Inhumans at random, this inhuman kid, and Carol being to close to Medusa would allow for corruption? Even though it kills mutants, your just trading mutants for inhumans but they carry the same stigma of unchecked power and authority.

Ulysses is a good source of intel sure but even Gyrich shouldn't be an absolute tool to let Inhumans do the same things he hates mutants for. Especially because Inhuman shit greatly affects America as a sovereign nation even more the mutant shit right now.

It'll never happen but Gyrich should see that Inhumans are making a power play to create a new world order using this kid and will have every nation in Alpha Flight eating out of their hand while they trample on everything they stand for. In fact everyone should be thinking with Pleasant Hill and other shit if they are just becoming Alpha Hydra with Inhumans being their Red Skull.

Also side note, does Carol having control over Alpha Flight, Ultimates, Shield, and subgroups of the above seem like a little too much power to put into her hands?

Bendis you god forsaken hack, you just got done telling everyone Ulysses wasn't that anyway!

Her type doesn't regret. They'll just slowly phase it out as they latch onto the next "hip" thing.

Think Anita Sarkessian and how she's moving away from video game sexism to historical sexism.

Look again, it's not a Bendis gag, it's Zdarsky. Not much better, but let's make sure we give credit where credit is due. Also note those cringey editorial boxes. Hey, Chip, you hack, those are for the editor. If you couldn't work it into the dialogue, perhaps it doesn't belong in the comic. You are the Family Guy of comic writers, with your teenage humor interludes. Go write a webcomic, you shite.

I'm just worried that Brevoort and Alonso can't reign anyone in, especially Bendis. Moss has to be in connection with both but this is what happens when you let people do shit with no oversight. I know Bendis is shit but someone has to be telling him what goes on for other ongoings, if not to keep shit canon for the main event. If anything I'm worried that because they let Bendis get away with so much shit they're teaching Chip and other writers to be like Bendis because they can get away with it.

Aw who am I kidding, they didn't do that with Miller Time Civil War and that's too much to ask of Marvel now. I just hope Ewing doesn't lose his mind playing janitor to Bendis. Sooner or later a wirter Civil War will happen with Ewing leading the writers who care about canon and good writing vs the forces of Bendis and money grubbing hacks.

That's the thing about canon and such that guys like Bendis don't get: they are what keep the illusion alive in comics. It's also why you keep characterization very important, but if you can justify somethings with continuity, then it smooths it over. If it makes sense to the reader, it's REAL.

Besides all the other things that keep more readers from picking up books, or old readers from returning, the fact that the Marvel U feels FAKE AS SHIT doesn't help. If I don't know where Nova was or wasn't, or characters act surprised about events they were PRESENT FOR (I think I recall She-Hulk being surprised that Prof. X was dead, despite her being there) then it takes the reader out of the moment. And if guys like Bendis are just taking the reader out of the book at all times, why would anyone keep reading? They could just watch the movies, which have handle at least basic continuity and characterization a lot better.

This isn't like when I was a kid, and the comics were the REAL version of things. Cartoons and such were neat, but nothing could ever beat the comics. Because you had book dedicated writers who loved their characters, and wanted to entertain the fans. I hope writers like that come back into power, I want Marvel to feel like a real universe again.

Philosophical question: once there is a continuity reboot, what do the heroes remember prior to the reset?

Anyhow, that's why I gave up on Marvel. No discipline among the writers or editor. Whatever tickles their fancy that moment is used & then forgotten. Onward to the next bout of text diarrhea…

remember *about their adventures* prior to the reset?

They remember everything except how meaningless it all is.

Actually, I just remembered an issue of What If I want to share in that thread. Since it's an old ass issue that has to do with far more current continuity.

They remember whatever the writers/editors want to them remember.

wow Gwenpool is still going strong? I thought it would fall apart after a few issues but I guess i'll check it out some more.

That's a shallow observation, posing as deep thought. If they really wanted to be meta, they'd discuss how commercialization and attempts to stay relevant factor into drawing out the story. And how the changing generations reading the story get something different from it.

Well, remember that it is Batroc. His life isn't really effected by those changes as much as if a more prominent character had said it. He actually has a pretty comfortable position as being known enough that people don't feel like killing him off, but not well enough that people feel the need to change him randomly every few years. He's got a very comfortable gig as a popular henchman/french stereotype.

I could see a character that was more deeply effected by those changing times make the observation you suggest. Like one of older Spiderman's rogues would probably understand that feeling more, as they've almost all been killed off and reinvented at least once.

What the fuck is with this faggot-ass posing on the first page? Do they think they're in a JoJo issue?

A Julia Roberts elderly rom-com would outsell that shit in all likelihood. Marvel film would blast it like Jello in front of a jet engine.

C'mon, man. Comparing that static, waist up, low energy art to Jojo poses is insulting to Araki. It's barely even at the levels of a sentai group.
That might explain subtle Japanese influences.

Go back to Holla Forums, retard.

Holla Forums can stay, but you need to go back to tumblr.

How about this: we talk about comics instead of playing the identity politics game and making ad hominem attacks on an anonymous imageboard.

Says the faggot who makes a point of giving himself an identity instead of being just another user.

Neat

It's one of those nice little things you don't see very often.

What's big for CW2 tomorrow? Will issue 5 be out? So we can see everyone be an idiot and punch eachother.

Fuck Carol.

I think I just lost the last little bit of suspension of disbelief I didn't even know I had.

I assume you no longer believe in basic principles of reality at this point. It's hard to believe in anything after how sloppy and dumb this event is.

It's odd that Gwen Poole, the wacky, devil-may-care, "this is just a comic book" character would be the one displaying proper discipline. Maybe it's just because Batroc is there.

They don't even have any proof Thundersword did anything, and in fact have proof to the contrary, explicitly mentioning "remote activation." He would never be charged under these circumstances. Arrested and questioned? Yes. Charged and facing trial? Not in a million years. Hell, I'm just a casual Law & Order viewer and I can tell you that. Don't these guys have consultants and reference material to help them with authenticity?

Why do they have real Justin Trudeau and Justin Trufaux? (the guy even has a parody name) Do you think the Alpha Flight council guy turns out to be evil, and they didn't want to have real Trudeau be a bad guy?

Last time in Iron Man NOTHING FUCKING HAPPENED.

The sudden in your fact Tony and nonsense dialog actually makes me think of Batman Odyssey. I wish that feeling lasted for more than one page, because things get right back to boring as fuck quickly.

What a cunt. Tony will be shoulder deep in pussy whenever he wants, so forget whoever this is.

Carols hair will be consistent for once… because it's traced from a cg model.

Also, I was hoping they'd at least redeem things by saying Tony was secretly at the funeral, but no. According to Bendis he totally missed his BEST FRIEND'S funeral, but went to Banner's, like the next day.

You get to see some old armors at least. This is the closes to an action scene in this book.

"Wait for it… I wanted to reuse the panel."

This book should be in the museum of shortcuts.

I had forgotten this event was still going on. That's how uneventful it has been.

And now Doom has to tell Tony stuff… NEXT ISSUE.

I fucking get dragging a story out for a trade but NOTHING HAPPENS IN THIS BOOK. Bendis is just treading water until the schedule matches up and he can introduce Riri and Doom as the Iron Duo, and all of this is a waste of time. I glanced at an issue of the other Iron Man book, it's just about his parents meeting or something. WHO CARES? When I was a kid, Tony was fucking bitches and fighting badguys 24/7, while Rhodey fucked black bitches and shot fuckers with machine guns. It was FUCKING GLORIOUS, and this is trash.

that and the artwork in this series is just awful.

You ever notice it's usually the real shit comics that include these totally real fan letter sections?

At least it has a passage from Bendis's tumblr. That's for sure real.

that CG crowd is the most offensive thing that has assaulted my eyes in a long time, and that includes Hillary coughing up her own bile into a glass of water and then drinking it.

I mean, even if it weren't for the obviously traced CG art, the reused panels, and all the rest of these inexcusable displays of laziness, why the fuck would anyone say "you know what art style Iron Man should be done in? Gritty realism." As if he's Daredevil or something.

I found the art of Hellcat less offensive than this. I'm not kidding. I would one thousand times rather look at that than this abomination. At least its general shittyness proves it's not traced.

The fact that this asshole is getting a paycheck to do this nonsense is an insult. There are out-of-work artist on DeviantArt right now who could do a far better job. Why doesn't Marvel find them?

Because Marvel likes to pay the tumblr artists dirt cheap like they're illegal immigrants. Seriously though has this "realistic" artstyle ever worked?

Is this comic setting up the swap of Robert Downey Jr. for a hispanic Keanu Reeves impersonator? That's the vibe I get from Tony's current design. Do you think they used Keanu as the model?

Anythings possible. I know there is a specific actor that Doom is modeled off of, even though he doesn't look much what Doom has historically been drawn.

I used to really love when Tony and Doom would cross paths, but this all just seems silly to me. Probably just because Bendis is a shit writer and doesn't give a fuck.

HOLY FUCK. That is THE sickest burn. It's too bad we're supposed to hate this lady for not appreciating the super-special-awesome hero guy.

Our super-special hero who can neutralize magic with an afternoon of tinkering. Shouldn't that take an understanding of the arcane?

She should have stuck with the giant, over-compensating motif.
what the hell?! It barely even has his signature mouth grill. The arms/hands look weird and the pose is pretty flat. I get it's a model sheet, but it displays zero character.

What the fuck kind of guns in Frank supposed to be using on that cover?

Fictional guns because people that produce shit like this cannot into guns. Or into drawing. Look at that fucking Daredevil. Bleugh.

the gun on the right is a revolver I don't know what the gun on the left is?

It reminds me of how guns in 70's and 80's marvel were drawn, they just didn't look real or weren't based on anything in real life.

That's also a 90's thing.
Remember Rob Liefeld and his toasters with glowing slots, and bedrolls with LEDs? Or Todd MacFarlane and his TV remotes?

But.
I think I've worked out Tony's basic problem. All his life, every hurdle he's ever faced has been conquered by building a new suit of armour. Even his alcoholism was beaten by building a copy of his first suit as therapy.
And now he's mired in law-enforcement, sociopolitical ramifications of super-power registration and the philosophical conundrum of preemptive arrests based on precognitive powers, dead friends are piling up, and he's having trouble visualising a suit that will fix all the fucking shit he's fucked up, unless he puts a time machine in it, goes back and gives himself a dope slap for ever getting into politics.

And maybe punches Night Thrasher's pregnant mother in the stomach.

That's a Fallout 10mm pistol.

huh really, looks like a nerf gun to me.

The Fallout 10mm is the gun from Hard Boiled.
Which doesn't have any real-life counterpart, but is a good example of a bullshit gun drawn by someone who knows something about guns, as opposed to bullshit guns drawn by someone who knows nothing about guns and is too lazy to Google.

Yeah you said it they really didn't know how to draw guns.

If you blow it up to full size, you can basically see the divisions where the originally modeled real gun was, and how the artist slapped on pieces to give a chunkier silhouette. I don't know if it's a composition choice, a reference to the 90's caricature of guns to make them more marketable, part of some Marvel design document, or if the artist just thinks it looks cool.

It also has a slide. I think you're missing the fact that it's pretty clearly satirical. First, nobody would do enough research to create such an accurate rendering and not realize why those things don't belong together. Second, look at those clowns in the background, this isn't a grounded, hyper-realistic world.

Did you mistake which gun he's talking about? On the right is a fairly realistic modern revolver, while the left-hand gun has no cylinder, so I don't know why you would think either of them are comparable to the Fallout.

you're right user I went a bit too autistic there. I didn't know it was a satire though it has Frank Miller on the title which should've been a dead give away.

Also note the bolt action.
IT'S GLORIOUS.