THE HOLOCAUST NEVER HAPPENED

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You probably don't believe that China ever happened. Because you were not there.

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wow that's a really bad argument.

yes it did

b-but this hurts muh feels

No proof

no proof it didn't

checkmate atheists

Burden of proof is on you stupid jew

this would only prove that they weren't all burned. would-only-if there were no undiscovered ovens and no mass graves. would-only-if you could explain the missing millions.
in other words it's meaningless in the context of documented mass deportation to concentration camps equipped with gas chambers.
the kikes and others were rounded up, deported, robbed,and then killed en masse using methods that evolved over time. how the corpses were disposed of and exactly how many there were are petty details in an inescapable rap.

what millions?

The ovens are a major factor of the holohoax claims along with gas chambers, you know that. These are the things that are called out as untrue by "holocaust deniers", along with the figures.

We live in an age where everything is recorded now Chaim, you can't just tweak your story when part of it is disproven anymore. Well you can i suppose, but the goyim are going to catch onto that eventually.

but it will soon

then why do you like him so much

I'm tired right now, but if this thread is still up in a few hours I'm going to turn it into a holohoax redpill thread. See you then Schlomo.

Top Lel.

it's illegal to deny holohoax happened, goyim

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That's all folks! Until I get some sleep, or unless another user carries on where I left off. I just didn't want Moishe to slide this thread before anything was posted in it.

At the very least I'm sure some Holla Forumstards will get a few lulz out of those "eyewitness accounts".

It did happen but allies fucked up the economy but destroying our industry, so we had to cut corners, couldn`t maintain the camps properly… so we had to do something.

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That's NOT how you spell it, faggot!

Halohoax

TIME TO TAKE YOUR REDPILL

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One can go on and on about cyanide residue, cremation capacity, where the millions of allegedly missing jews are, etc., etc. But the bottom line is they have never proven the existence of any mass graves. There are sites where they claim there are mass graves but they have never produced any human (or jewish) remains.

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are you a prototype dumbbot? or just ignorant?
mass graves have been found in the vicinity of every major death camp. you know, archeologically excavated type of found. acres of pits full of bones all neatly lined up, some shot, some gassed, some worked to death or victims of disease and malnutrition.
just use whichever search engine you use for porn but enter -mass graves around- (any death camp). instead of the usual diet of boipussy, you will find corpses to fap to in black and white. if he truth doesn't make you lose your spongey boner, that is.

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There are plenty of pictures and film of mass graves from WWII. None of systematically murdered jews. There are plenty of headlines claiming evidence of mass graves at some "death camps", but they never show any proof of physical evidence that hundreds of thousands or tens of thousands of jews or anyone else being buried there.

Just a few years after it was abandoned by the Germans Treblinka "survivors" couldn't even locate the locations of the mass graves where the remains of almost a million jews are allegedly buried.

Noam Chomsky and Christopher Hitchens also deny the Holocaust. Fact.

if only it did…

Was the treatment of the jews really unjust tho?

1. Hitler called for the "extermination" of the Jews. Unfortunately, the English language is very corrupted and inaccurate. In Latin "exterminus" meant "to remove, to expel". That's the same meaning in German. So English-speakers did not understand that by "exterminate the Jews", Hitler was calling for their removal.

2. Jews supported Hitler's call, in fact, Hitler was one of the late-adopters of the poisiton. The "final solution" was a Zionist political position. The original discussion was called "the German problem". The German problem was that until 1881, Germany had no unified nation-state of its own. Then after WWI, it was noted that Germans were living under total control by the Jewish elite. Jewish scholars sai the only way to "solve" the German problem was by first solving the "Jewish problem": that there was so many Jews in Europe, but no Jewish state, as Jews were not native to Europe at all. Zionists formulated plans for what became Israel. Once Hitler took control of Germany, he swore to finally solve the Jewish problem by increasing the already existing compensated-deportation program, which was paying Jews to learn how to farm in work camps so they could then go to work on kibbutzim in Palestine, which had Jewish-owned farming companies.

Hola hoax is fake as fuck

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OK, then what did happen?

jews migrated to the u.s and got the same salary as the citizens in 4 years (niggers did the same in 150 years). they employed the sympathy card to steal land from their righteous owners, to get in positions to satisfy the guilt of the combatants, to spread cultural marxism, to overflow europe with refugees, to bomb children in the hundreds. it did not happen, but it will.

Short answer: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement

Longer answer:
Israel was created, and millions of Jews moved there. Which was already in the works, and Hitler supported it.

Winston Churchill's memoirs contain no mention of the Holocaust. He wrote that WWII was about how the Germany economy started out-competing the British economy. Germany nationalized its banking system, removing all foreign influence from their currency. Meanwhile, the Soviet Union was eager to expand. Germany invaded the parts of Poland that were still occupied by 2 million Germans (remember, Germany lost territory after WWI, but that territory was still full of Germans). Only a few days later, Russia conquered the Slavic portion of Poland.

Interestingly, Britain chose to only declare war on Germany, not the USSR. Britain and the USSR worked together to defeat the new independent German economy, as it was a threat to both Soviet communism and British capitalism.

Hitler believed that the capitalist West and the communist East sought to tear Germany into two pieces, and exploit the German worker, robbing them of identify, wealth, and liberty. He came to see WWII as a struggle for the very existence of the German nation, not just the German state. He also saw that both the capitalists & the communists were led by international Jews. He reckoned that to protect Germany meant to increase to deportations of the Haavara Agreement.

There was nothing in the war budget for "wacky gas chambers and then you put them in a furnace and then you grind the bones up until the dust leaves no traces". Germany was being invaded from all sides. If the Nazis wanted to mass-kill the Jews, they just would've done what the Red Army did to the Germans in Poland and gone to their homes and shot them. No rounding them up, no supervillain devices, etc.

After the war, German would again be required to pay reparations. But this time, instead of doing what they did after WWI and leaving open the possibility of German reactionary nationalism, the story of the Holocaust was concocted to psychologically warp German sentiment. Also, Jews would become the direct beneficiary of the reparations.

In reality, Jews were some of the least-harmed groups in the war. Most of them left Germany and immigrated to UK, USA, USSR, or Israel.

No actually he's true. All the "death camps" were on the soviet side. Plus jews mostly worked in factories, who was bombing factories? The allies. Don't believe it? See Schindler's list then Memphis Belle back to back.

this is how kikes thank you. same thing with serbia. Serbs helped a kikess to escape to america and 50 years later she made clinton bomb them into stone age.
DOTR cannot come fast enough

Let's not forget that the Judean people declared war on german goods, calling for all jews to boycott german made products.

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typical aut-rightist tbh

I think it's time for you to go, faggot anarchist child.

so the allies killed the jews not the evil nazi, so this is a big jewish cover up becomes the ultimate lie/fraud.

Check my fucking dubs, faggot. Also conflating hitler with some spic is pants on retarded. But that's SoP for anarchist shitheads like you, huh?

Just go ahead and throw yourself out of a helicopter. But since you're a bwaaaachist I will assume you will have to settle with a shallow inflatable pool.

lolwut? watch

exactly

Fight me irl fagt

Pinocuck'd

You know at first (for me) it was exposing the holohoax, now I'm finding out just how humane and how much of hero this man is. I used to be a freemason, but now I'm slowly but surely becoming more and more accepting of National Socialism out of sheer fucking principle. Heil Hitler!

and we have all been brainwashed to believe the nazi did more than kill them, so they get victimbux and force feminism and marxism on the world by stealth(lobby groups/soros) in the end killing us for them to have the blueball for themselves, Greedy parasites i say.

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Daily reminder. The war on jews was a holy war. Not a war over jewish blood. Hitler knew this and was ok with Jewish blood in his armies. Do you blame a kid for being born to assholes who have a shit ideology? No you don't.

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Secret memo from Heinrich Himmler to Adolf Hitler.

In the treatment of the alien populations of the East we shall have to endeavor to recognize and nurture as many individual peoples as possible; that is, in addition to the Poles and Jews also the Ukrainians, the Byelorussians, the Gorals (Goralen), Lemcos (Lemken), and the Cashubes (Kaschuben). And if there are any other splinter peoples to be found anywhere, then these too.

I wish to say by this that we have the greatest interest in not uniting the population of the East, but, on the contrary, in dividing it into as many parts and splinters as possible.

…I hope that the concept of Jews will be completely extinguished through the possibility of large-scale emigration of all Jews to Africa or some other colony. It must also be possible, in a somewhat longer period of time, to let the national concept of Ukrainians, Gorals and Lemcos disappear in our territory. Whatever is said concerning these splinter peoples applies on a correspondingly larger scale to the Poles.

…Cruel and tragic as every individual case may be, this method is the mildest and best if, out of inner conviction, we reject the Bolshevist method of physical destruction of a people as un-Germanic and impossible….

"Our racial pride is not aggressive except in so far as the Jewish race is concerned. We use the term Jewish race as a matter of convenience, for in reality and from the genetic point of view there is no such thing as the Jewish race." - Adolf Hitler

lel muh holocaust

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Don't you find it interesting that not one document was ever found about the holocaust, yet they call it "history"? Or that there has not been one documented case on lebansaum? Or that they have no proof that they think that calling (((the third reich's))) book the Nazi manifesto? Yet the term "nazi" was a derogatory term coined by Americans? Or how they say that the third reich did terrible experiments to war prisoners? Yet have no proof of those accusations? Don't you also find it funny that most of the "information" about the European front during WW2 came directly from Russia??? This entire scenario just screams smoke screen to hide or distract from the fact of what the USSR was doing to their own citizens no less. Mass genocides, forced famine, gulags, killing all dissenters, etc. Russia has framed the world is what has happened. Will you stand by idly and allow this blatant forging of "history"? Or will you start reading into revisionism and learn the truth about what really happened?

Ok

Perhaps if revisionists stopped acting like cult members once in a while more people would be able to take them seriously. More quality control and emotional restraint would be appreciated. Considering the truth is so plainly obvious, all the lies and hysteria that come with it are only counter-productive.

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Oy vey, goyim! My grandfather was gassed three times and cremated twice! His asshole still hurts to this day!

Perhaps. Perhaps some emotional response is reasonable for humans living in what he presume to be the most enlightened era of human history, only to find out a massive 70-year-old lie, retold for over 2000 years, connected to a such a giant global conspiracy, that it's criminal to even express reasonable scientific doubt or request verifiable proof.

I try to remind myself that 700 years ago my people were not able to question things like the existence of Yahweh or the life of the mythical Yeshua, or the position of the Earth in the center of the Universe, or to even be able to read another book besides the holy bible, or to question the sanity of marching our national armies into the Middle East to fight for a non-existant Prester John.

But then I realize that my ancestors had excuses for why they could not have known any better. There's no excuse for us today. The world is utterly lost without understanding the Holocaust is a lie. Widespread knowledge of this would completely change geopolitics, religion, economics, race relations, etc.

There are vast numbers of white people who believe

OY VEY THE GOYIM ARE WAKING UP

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It happened but we recovered and rebuilt and will bring down heavens vengeance on any who would try again. There is nothing the Nazi fears more than his superior, the Jew.

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This mentality is literally why nazis are now growing again worldwide. You are pulling this shit in America which helped save your fucking asses.

i despise the zionist as much as i despise you, user.
both manipulate history to suit their agenda, both lie and deny and fabricate to the point where critical analysis of the event becomes impossible without robots digging up half of eastern europe and analysing the soil speck by speck. and even then, you'd claim it was a jewish robot if the findings didn't fit your narrative and israel would say the robots are anti-semite if theirs were challenged.
the overwhelming weight of historical evidence points to the fact that jews and others were killed in an organised manner by the nazis. about 6 million is the best figure atm, out of 15-20 million to pass through the system as a whole.
this figure includes the many who died from privation, hunger and lack of medical care, i.e. died in the ghettos, rounding-ups, en route for the camps or were worked to death on arrival. more than half were shot, either before deportation or after triage at their destination. it also includes those killed by nazi allies.
gas chambers and ovens existed in some camps. they came later, when the 3 million bullets still needed were better used on the eastern front. the remnants of these constructions have been excavated despite nazi efforts to destroy the evidence and jewish reluctance to allow in-depth archeological study of the graves. the discoveries match the less fantastic eyewitness accounts, right down to the colour of the wall tiles.
yes the kikes have made an industry and more from exaggerating the holocaust, but you make one from picking at the details when the wider truth is clear. it doesn't help that they are so much better at lying than you.

Great redpill thread.
How can I inform others of this without coming off as a conspiracy nut retard? I've tried mentioning some facts before but people just think I'm joking

post some then, Schlomo

Your missing my point. I specifically stated YOU are creating more nazi sympathy and more nazi support; and you are jumping around to avoid my point with other justifications that I didn't make. Let's assume I'm an user trying to stop the creation of more nazis.

What you said:

Now include this:

This pattern of anti-gentile behavior creates more anti-semetism. Think of it this way, any hebrew holy text, rabbi, mentality and etc that would support anti-gentile behavior is no different than jihadist, sharia law supporters, and etc creating hate for islam by the gay community or non islamist.

YOU are the chief creator of nazis with that mentality and behavior. Zionists and anti-Trump anti-American members of the jewish community simply might churn out a higher rate of more nazis than you.

Mel Brooks on the otherhand is an example of someone who DOESN'T create nazi sympathy.

Not related to the holocaust, but beautiful none the less.

Are you aware the 6 million claims is mathematically impossible with the given structure and allotted time?
The international red cross was on the camps, and they never saw any systematic killing in their reports.

no it isn't. not all victims of fascist germany were slow cooked in an oven. many were shot and buried, then dug up and burned in pyres. even if the true figure is 5 million, or 3, or 2 or 1 or 500,000: the mass killings occurred as part of a deliberate but ultimately failed policy to eliminate non germanic racial identity in germany and the nazi occupied territories. interestingly, the majority of victims were polish or russian by birth.

explain this then…

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fitting dubs, user

the nazis themselves used euphemistic language to describe what was going on. they hid the facts even as the pits were filling, conscious of the fact that if word got out, rounding up the next batch of gypsies or communists and keeping the civil population onside would become very much more difficult and expensive than it already was. it was a difficult ask anyway and the orders were couched in terms which only an insider would understand fully.

Wow that's some mental gymnastics we have going here.

It's a good thing they never mentioned it even in private messages to each other, then. Right, golem?

well exercise what brain you have and read the available research. discount any paper authored by a jew if you wish. sideline the soviets, too and niggers while you're at it. then in all honesty and a spirit of intellectual integrity, reject your own politically jaundiced views and regard only the facts. it's all available online and sorting the quality from the bigots is easy. it really is.

youtu.be/DFrJF-noN7A?t=23m51s
lol get fucked you stupid holohoax believers!!! where's your "main event" that's supposed to prove everything now?

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Is there a text version? The audio on that recording is so incredibly shit. I can't hear a single thing.

vho.org/GB/c/DC/gcgvcole.html
Here's the entire text of the documentary.

What can I say? You can't have your holocaust and deny it too.
Just listen to nationalists talk among themselves when they think no one is listening. Hell, half the time they talk that way when other people are around too.

I mean, for all the complaints about how much this holocaust has crippled them, they don't seem to have much of a problem planning something similar today.

Being suspicious of this is far from inexcusable.

Why? How would a minority of 60.000 people AT BEST(!) cause a genocide in this day and age? It's simply unplausible.

cool it with the antisemitic remarks

Why what?

Why is it not inexcusable?
Because the arguments aren't that strong and the credibility of the people making them is often questionable. Sometimes listening to you people seems like listening to a cult searching for new converts, rather than someone who wants to inform me of something for my own good.

The amount of fanaticism, the amount of aggression. It really does come off in a bad way.
If you want to be persuasive, you need to understand the limits of your own knowledge.
Saying "I am always right" to people sends a very bad message, just for example.

You should probably take off that tin foil hat you dumb nigger and kill yourself while your at it.

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Don't go full retard and claim that there was no persecution at all for starters, there's no doubt that Jews were persecuted. You should be getting them to question the figures, the gas chamber claims and if there was an order for the systematic extermination of all jews in Germany.

You shouldn't start with holocaust revisionism straight away, you need to lead them into it. A good starter is getting them to ask why the Germans had a dislike for Jews. If you buy the official narrative they were insane beasts who had a completely unwarranted hatred for Jews, it's not hard to disprove this claim. Read up on the Weimar republic and the roles that jews played in pre Nazi Germany, they were hated for very rational reasons. Once they can understand what Germans were going through in those years (and who was behind it) you'll have a much easier time introducing them to more taboo topics.

There are a lot of people who will remain unreceptive to this kind of message no matter how much time you spend trying to educate them, even when you can refute all their points. Don't waste your time with people like that (unless you have bystanders to your argument).

This picture sums it up quite well. Once you've softened them up stick to the topics in this picture, if you have read up on the subject properly you'll be able to make their claims look ridiculous. That's Why they have resorted to making it illegal to question their claims in many western countries.

Forgot to include one of my points.

You really need to read up on the subject before you try to "redpill" anybody, if you don't you are just going to make a fool of yourself. You need to study every point that will be brought up and be able to refute it.

Read both sides too, don't just read pro Nazi material. You'll get lots of useable material from jews. Just look at all the ridiculous quotes in this thread, those make for good propaganda.

Torquemada was a muslim then, like Luther.

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Typical bullshit artist: There is so much proof. There is a mountain of evidence. So much proof that you have to be blind not to see it. So much evidence that I'm just going to pretend that I told you about all the evidence and hope nobody notices I didn't give any. There is that much evidence.

The vast majority of the Holocaust "evidence" was produced by jew-controlled Soviet Russia.

A lot of people died in Nazi Germany concentration camps, but they didn't die from any form of mass execution. No gas chambers capable of gassing thousands of jews daily without hurting anyone nearby. No incinerators capable of incinerating thousands of jews a days, bones and all (something modern incinerators struggle with).

They died from disease, starvation, and Allied bombings.

Even the Red Cross thinks the Holocaust numbers are exaggerated. A common metric is measuring the number of Jews in Nazi Germany before and after their reign, and counting all the difference as dead. This is obviously ridiculous, as before the Nazis made concentration camps they spent a lot of time telling all the undesirables (including Jews) to get the fuck out.

Communism is far more dangerous than fascism ever has been.

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no u

stop that phrase doesnt belong to you

Fuck off, alt-right. This area is for genderfluid-lefts.

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It does now fagboy

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Yeah, just like your dad never fucked your mom that one time. Yet here you are. But maybe you just came out of her asshole like all the other pieces of shit.

Look, I know you think you are being all skinheadish and anarchy by denying the Holocaust happened, but the truth is that real facists…you know, the kind that actually believe the Nazi ideals…don't deny the Holocaust happened. They admit it and admit it proudly. They call it a "trial run". A "successful field test". "Proof of concept".

See, you think you are being all edgy, when in fact you are simply identifying yourself as nothing more than an uneducated trend-following fanboi.

I'd only accept such a shit-tier government if it meant that futas ruled and everyone else serves as fucktoys.

Top lel. Retarded skinheads are not national socialists because they have a swastika tattoo and think the holohoax is a great thing, that's a jewish media representation. If you fell for that you are retarded.

Vid related is an actual national socialist. He's got a ton of recordings too for anyone who I interested. If you can find the time to listen to them you'll learn a lot, he also makes a lot of predictions that have come true. Required listening for any non retarded race realists l.

The way I understand it is like this. Lots of innocent jews were killed. About 6 million jews died during those years. There was a holocaust, or equivalent. But don't forget lots of other people died too only there is an awful lot of talk about the jewish holocaust.

There is a case that there were no gas chambers and that the gas chambers story is not true.

According to David Irving, there does not exist one single document that shows gas chamber/holocaust activity.

Other facts like: the British had cracked the German code and were reading top secret communications from the head of Auschwitz to the central government and there is no word of mass killings in gas chambers.

But you're not allowed to say that.

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come on, op. find a real historian to quote
try Tim Snyder
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloodlands

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Wow. The (((eyewitnesses))) sure aren't lying aren't they?
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Thread recap:
1) the gas chamber at auschwitz was fabricated by the soviet union, as said by Dr. Franciszek Piper (on camera), the senior director and curator of the archives at Auschwitz
2) nazis were tortured into telling lies
3) holohoax "survivors" tell lies in a grand scheme to make a lot of money/extort money from some countries that had nothing to do with the holohoax
4) holohoax believers have nothing but unreliable bullshit artists as witnesses (never mind of how unreliable they are)
5) obvious photoshops were created as propaganda by the soviet union
6) the world population of jews actually increased after ww2
7) there were jewish blood soldiers in hitlers army, and he knew it
8) there were news papers even before hitler came to office and ww2 started of how 6 million jews were going to be killed
"'9) holohoax believers have no rebuttals and resort to name calling'''
10) blatant fabrication of "evidence" from the soviet union
11) all the "death camps" were all conveniently in soviet side
12) Heinrich Himmler himself said he was for nourishing/treating jews and other nationalities right
Anything I miss?

If not for the Jew, WWI wouldn't have even happened.

Kühle Geschichte, Bro

that would have been correct.

t. Nazi

If not for the Jew, the Napoleanic Wars wouldn't have happened, meaning WW1 wouldn't have happened, meaning WW2 wouldn't have happened.

Der Fuhrer could have lived his days out happily and had the family he so much desired. But instead, der ewige jude ruined it, and the Anglos played into it.

Hitler and Stalin shared a certain politics of tyranny: they brought about catastrophes, blamed the enemy of their choice, and then used the death of millions to make the case that their policies were necessary or desirable. Each of them had a transformative Utopia, a group to be blamed when its realisation proved impossible, and then a policy of mass murder that could be proclaimed as a kind of ersatz victory.
The Nazi and Soviet regimes were sometimes allies, as in the joint occupation of Poland [from 1939–1941]. They sometimes held compatible goals as foes: as when Stalin chose not to aid the rebels during the Warsaw uprising, thereby allowing the Germans to kill people who would later have resisted communist rule.
Race, and the idea of the world as a space in which races compete and stronger races replace weaker ones, was central to Hitler's thinking. Hitler was not a nationalist. Rather, he saw nationalism and sovereign states as tools, useful to achieving his goal of eliminating government and enabling a pure, natural order in which races struggle and only the strongest survive. Hitler saw Jews as obstacles because the ideas enabling individual humans to view one another as human beings originated with the Jews, and it is the humanitarian ideas perpetuated by Jews that prevents the world from reverting to its natural order.

so you didn't actually read anything
thanks for the juvenile insight though

i lifted the whole post from two award winning books by a world renowned historian. word for word. thanks for confirming the obvious: you are impervious to reason and very ignorant. that's a depressing mix and not one that entitles you to pontificate on a subject you very clearly know next to nothing about, such as the death camps in eastern europe.

Yeah, that so-called historian is inaccurate right off the bat. Hitler was never for anti-government. He was in effect, for an authoritative state. It doesn't take much to figure this out. He was never an anarchist and never implied he was. Whoever wrote this is an absolute jackass and doesn't prove the holohoax ever happened. The burden of proof was always on you retarded holohoax believers and you just keep digging a larger hole for yourselves.

why do you choose to discount the lifelong efforts of disinterested academics in the best universities in the world and believe the garbage you found on Holla Forums?
on what grounds do you dismiss the work of tim snyder, a 50 yr old historian from harvard who speaks 11 languages and spent 20 years studying document troves in eastern europe, to produce the bloodlands and black earth? have you read either of these books before you flood yet another thread with silly memes? no you haven't, so you don't know what you are talking about. that's a fact, a real one.

That's damage control 101. Watch vid related and you'll see that he was indeed for an authoritative state. He said it in his own words after all. Of course your that tin foil hat guy though right? In which case you'll think he's speaking in "muh codewords", just fucking kill yourself and remember burden of fucking proof nigger. Also, you are quite the retard to just believe what someone else says without researching it yourself. You retarded fucking nigger.

you know what did happen? IDs
and we need to remove them
REMOVE ID

we seem to have hit the buffers. exploiting the id function, we can resume the conversation as,
you: holohoax
me: there's evidence
you: no there isn't
me: here it is
you: it's shit
me: no it isn't. here's source
you: youtube vid and ad hominem.

what evidence would convince you to question your version of events, user?
i ask, because i'd spend an hour looking for the docs in whichever archive holds them if i thought you'd accept any sort of evidence at all. i mean, what exactly do you deny? how many were killed or who killed them or why? in other terms what exactly do you think happened in the warsaw ghetto or those camps in eastern europe? perhaps if we get to specifics, i can find something to refute your view.

What evidence? The historian who gets payed to tell lies? And that money is likely in the 7 digits?
I don't know what you mean by this… I'm rather confused on what (((evidence))) you mean!!! Just someones word with nothing to back them???
Nope. I completely refuted that retarded historian who has no clue what he's talking about. An ad hominem is an evasion of the topic at hand and directly attacking your opponent. At which point was I ever evading the topic at hand, hmm??? Also, the only thing that (((historian))) got right was the occupation of both stalin and hitler in poland that's fucking it. Everything else is opinionated stylistic garbage with no actual factual backing/evidence to back his shit assumptions.
Also:
I say that the holocaust never happened and that there is no proof that hitler ever ordered the extermination of jews, nor would it ever be possible. The burden of proof is on you and so far you aren't proving shit. This just proves you aren't capable of making an actual argument/can't into actual research yourself.

livescience.com/57754-songs-recorded-after-holocaust-recovered.html

It seems like anti-fags have actually poured in with that He Will Not Divide Us thing.

You people seem to have lost your way, go back home, where the lies you've been fed your entire life are being reinforced in a circlejerking loop of stupidity such as privilege, marxism, "equality", mainstream history revision and reddit

You didn't disprove a single thing he said, if you really want to prove us wrong you're going to need more than a biased historian. It shouldn't be difficult to disprove our claims should it? If six million jews were systematically exterminated there will be a lot of evidence surely? The kind of evidence that can't be refuted by our claims. Where is it?
Protip: It doesn't exist. It's all eyewitness testimony and confessions that were gained during torture.

what evidence would convince you to question your version of events, user?
i ask, because i'd spend an hour looking for the docs in whichever archive holds them
Hard irrefutable evidence. Proof that the jewish population suffered a six million drop in those years, proof that there was an order for the systematic extermination of Jewry and proof that the gas chambers actually existed.

Good luck finding it, you're going to be searching for longer than an hour.

Nobody here is claiming that they had an easy time in the camps are we? There is no doubt that they were persecuted (along with others). There are doubts that they were systematically exterminated in gas chambers, there are doubts about the number of dead jews and there are doubts about an order from the top down to exterminate all jews. There's no doubt that they were treated harshly.

this is bullshit. and when you say
without having read his work, you discredit yourself.
define what the holocaust means for you. if it's just a question of how many were killed and how, you're an idiot. 1 million or 15, gassed, starved or shot: none of these details matter.

tim snyder is biased? what have you read of his work and how is it biased? name a historian you consider reliable, pls.
six million is a best estimate rounded up. dozens of respected historians accept this figure and none, to my knowledge, suggest they all died in the camps, were all gassed or were all ovened.
you are a tad more reasonable here, user. there are doubts about what happened at any historical event or history wouldn't require study. how many jews and gays and gypsies and retards make a holocaust, user? must they all have been gassed or does shooting count? must they have died in a camp or will a railway carriage or the streets of prague qualify? do we really, really need a signed order from hitler to have survived in order to conclude that the 'final solution' is an euphemism for kill the kikes?

Not an argument.
Not an argument.
The holocaust (by it's definition) means whole burnt offering, in other words it means cremation. You goddamned retard. That's all you can do isn't it? Just make up shit as you're going along just like almost every other """historian""", especially over ww2.
I'll quote his (shit/biased) work now:
Nothing to back this up.
Nothing to back this up. Besides the fact he said in his own words here and here
(also never mind that he had jewish blood, blacks, hispanics, russians, indians, etc in his army)
Despite being a self proclaimed nationalist who founded the national socialist party mind you.
Based off of what? Absolutely nothing. Never mind vid related. This is a bullshit number that has nothing to do with reality as we know it. But, of course you likely don't know that people get fined for questioning the holocaust right? Or how people would lose their reputation if they told the truth? Or the fact that they'd lose money due to being called "muh wacist".
That's not the official story, so it doesn't count. This just proves you stupid niggers are just making shit up as you go along. No attempt was ever made to actually revise history and understand what really happened, just the same cliched bullshit, told again and again and again, with no proof.
Yes you fucking do. "The final solution" was part of the Haavara Agreement, which sought to remove jewry by deportation to Israel. Now, go hang yourself you fucking nigger.

thanks for that post. as i was pissing earlier, it occurred to me that the manner in which you defend your pov is quasi-religious. it's a question of faith to you and not reason.
if i produce fac-similes of documents that attest to the en-masse deportation of french jews from drancy to auschwitz (loading lists for the trains) alongside the list of those still alive 5 yrs later, you'll say the rest went to south america. if i counterpoint the loading lists for 70,000 missing jews with the number of identified french jews in s. america for 1947, you'll say the jews invented the stats to get free sheckles.
cogent discussion isn't possible with brainwashed evangelists and you are a living proof of that fact.
the original docs are all available here, btw. you'll also need to speak french, german, spanish, portugese and ukranian or trust a translator, or better still a respected, polyglot historian like styler.
drancy.memorialdelashoah.org/en/archives-and-documentation.html

Yeah you can fuck right off with your bullshit. I get my information from the fbi (an actual valid source that's an actual intelligence agency) and it says that that "6 million" figure is pure fiction. Completely refuting your claim that any jews "went missing" also see (and pic related):
vault.fbi. gov/Zionist%20Organization%20of%20America/Zionist%20Organization%20of%20America%20Part%201%20of%2010/view
Also, they can't effectively deport people while a war is going on retard. Now go jump off a cliff you fucking nigger.
It's in effect, the exact opposite. You're the one going on blind faith alone. Now go suck a nigger dick. You obviously don't belong here. >>>/reddit/
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Pick your poison and blow your own brains out.

I agree with OP, I believe maybe in few people who died because of diseases but i don't believe in the history of holocaust writen by groups that we know that are liars today.

And i also doubt of the Americans in the moon, i think this is another lie of the past, with their horrible technology i doubt they going to the mon, all the videos or pcitures of Nasa are different, sometimes the moon is giant, sometimes the moon is small in the pictures of moon that i believe that are fake, they invented excuses for don't have the original vhs, video, of the moon, everything video or picture made by nasa looks fake, cgi, horrible quality

Knowing that the american government are liars, that these groups in the power are liars, i believe in many lies in the past, and this include many things related to holocaust that seems to be lies and writen by the winners, and i doubt also of the men going to the moon in the 60s with horrible technology compared to today that they never go again.

But i don't ignore the men in the moon, maybe this is truth, i believe in more lies about the holocaust but seems that is a worse dogma to be discussed and people accept more easy doubt of the americans going to the moon since you will be ridicularized but they will not try to destroy your life if you doubt of the moon unless is on mainstream media so you will be ridicularized by government.

I doubt of the men in the moon and i dount of many things about the holocaust.

I think they invented so many lies about the past in the times that we don't had internet, information, video, camera, and only one powerful group could write the history in the way who they wanted to sell.

If someone asks you to prove that the moon landing happened, you can point a powerful telescope at the moon and show them the landing site.

If someone asks you to prove that six million jews died in the 40's, you won't be able to find anything that can do that.

how many jews make a holcaust and how few make a holohoax?
suppose it's 100,00o systematically rounded up, deported, robbed and killed. is that a -caust or a -hoax?

I'm not trying to define the word Holocaust. I'm telling you that it is impossible to prove that six million jews died between 1940 and 1950.

there will never be a definitive figure, no.
we will never know all their names, nor their nationalities, nor why they were individually murdered.
but that doesn't prevent us from estimating a figure from what evidence remains and recognising the process of the final solution as part of an organised massacre known today as the holocaust and perpetrated in large part by the nazis.

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holy fuck, I never made this connection before.

the soviets and the nazis are responsible at roughly equal degrees for the organised extermination of many more than six million, battlefield deaths excluded. they often acted in concert. it's the subject of blackearth, by snyder.

Are you just assuming that or is there any information on this? Please do post

I'm also curious if they were involved in the fall of the Roman Empire. I heard a bunch of anons state this as fact before, but considering the Jew/Roman relationship I could actually believe that without seeing anything. However I AM curious and I would like to see it.

Just because something bad happened doesn't mean it's okay to blow it out of proportion and invent huge death tolls.

sure it isn't. but it's also not ok to pretend that because various parties lie all day long about an historical event not yet 75 years old, then there is no truth in it at all. i know i'll get shitstormed for the following sentence, but don't you think it's wierd how these stormtards wax endlessly about a millenial kike conspiracy to rule the world? and for their conniving efforts they have today control of a tiny territory surrounded by enemies and the particularity of having been exiled, slaughtered, spat upon, reviled and gassed throughout recorded history?
you might argue they have deserved it in many ways. particularly today with the fuck up that is the middle east and many here would agree. so there's no point in denying the evidence or sanitizing what the nazis did. they gassed at least half the kikes they got hold of, what's so difficult to understand?

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We are Stoll waiting for you to provide proof that:
1.there was an order for the systematic extermination of European Jewry
2.There is irrefutable proof that the gas chambers weren't a post war addition to the camp a from Soviet forces for propaganda purposes
3.The official figures are correct.

These are the claims that we are making and you are completely unable to refute them. That's why you are shifting the goalposts.

You go from this " his would only prove that they weren't all burned. would-only-if there were no undiscovered ovens and no mass graves. would-only-if you could explain the missing millions.
in other words it's meaningless in the context of documented mass deportation to concentration camps equipped with gas chambers."

To this "how many jews make a holcaust and how few make a holohoax?
suppose it's 100,00o systematically rounded up, deported, robbed and killed. is that a -caust or a -hoax?"

You are a disingenuous shill. The exact tactics that you are right using now are highlighted in this video. I'm glad we have temporary id's, it allows any observers to see what you have attempted to do.

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Here's a documentary from an upstanding Jew who is more concerned about truth than having a powerful piece of propaganda to bludgeon the goyim with. If you take the time to watch it you'll see the current staff of the camp admit that the "gas chambers" were a post war addition.

If there were more Jews like him you people would never have been persecuted in the first place.

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Not him however i can answer the first one:
Wansee Konferenz, the only thing that is in there is to move camp prisoners to east to make them work. However there are only miniatures of this conference, no originals and the SS runes nor the structure is the same as the one in use in Germany during the period.

Weren't there existing one used for delousing the clothes because of typhus though? I know there was a camp that allegedly built a gas chamber for human killing purpose and that was far from the actual camp for preventing risks.

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your three points of contention are imaginary.
1. whether there is a surviving order or not, jews and others were systematically rounded up and killed in large numbers by the nazis across occupied europe. it's difficult to imagine these mass killings were carried out without official approval, don't you think?
2. who cares how they died? the fact is that they did in fact die in large numbers while in nazi detention, more than half of them before auschwitz was built.
3. there are no official figures for the number of victims, for obvious reasons. 6m is a best estimate and it's a carefully calculated one too. see: shelf-awareness.com/max-issue.html?issue=156#m320. the book itself contains an explanation of the methodology used to arrive at 6 million.

you see, user, the holocaust you deny isn't the series of events described by reliable historians at all. none suggests all 6 million were gassed, nor even that that many died in the camps alone.
the picture is more complicated than Holla Forums or the sionists would have you think and you have become part of the propaganda you claim to combat. the kikes rely on people like you to deny the obvious as it enables them to discredit their enemies and fashion the narrative to their advantage.
modern scholarship is well ahead of you. you would do well to catch up.

This is a very cyclical argument, I don't think you are actually interested in honest debate.

Are you retarded? You'll get arrested in a number of European countries for publicly "denying" the holocaust. Try saying it was not 6 million Jews that were gassed in Germany. You'll be given a harsh prison sentence. The official narrative is that 6 million jews were gassed, stop pretending that isn't the case.

I've made a point of stating that jews were persecuted multiple times already, read the thread. I'm not interested in propaganda as far as the holocaust is concerned, I'm interested in the truth. If you were capable of disproving any of my points you could change my mind. You can't disprove them though can you?

modern scholarship is well ahead of you. you would do well to catch up.
If that's true you should be able to discredit the claims I have already made shouldn't you? I'm waiting.

You can attempt to shift the goalposts as much as you like, these are my claims:
1. The figures are inaccurate. Whether you care to admit it or not the number that we are taught in holocaust indoctrination sessions is 6 million anyone who has been to a public high school is aware of that.
2.There was no official order. You EXPOCT US X-DDD to believe that it was telepathically communicated? An order for German Jewry to be completely exterminated that doesn't leave a single scrap of paper evidence? We broke their codes and had access to messages straight out of the camps, why would they not mention this program in their coded messages? How was the average soldier made aware of this command in your opinion?
3.Gas chambers.

My 3 points have remained consistent this entire time, you have consistently failed to refute them. You just try and wriggle out of it with wordplay. A very jewish tactic.

Disprove my claims.
Protip: You can't.

he will just restate those false claims in the next thread
remember how neurotic the jew is

Overall, the Germans, with much local assistance, deliberately murdered about 5.4 million Jews, roughly 2.6 million by shooting and 2.8 million by gassing (about a million at Auschwitz, 780,863 at Treblinka, 434,508 at Bełz˙ec, about 180,000 at Sobibór, 150,000 at Chełmno, 59,000 at Majdanek, and many of the rest in gas vans in occupied Serbia and the occupied Soviet Union). A few hundred thousand more Jews died during deportations to ghettos or of hunger or disease in ghettos. Another 300,000 Jews were murdered by Germany’s ally Romania. Most Holocaust victims had been Polish or Soviet citizens before the war (3.2 million and one million respectively). The Germans also killed more than a hundred thousand Roma. (snyder)

Wolfgang Benz: Historic research is not dependent on confessions of the perpetrators. Original and undeniable sources are available for the research and calculation of the dimension of the genocide, but there are massive difficulties still. A major part of the murder actions was secret, covered through euphemistic expressions like the Final Solution, and proofs for the crimes had been destroyed during a last effort of the NS regime. Thus it will never be possible to quote an absolute figure that counts every single human, but it is possible to position the measure beyond every speculation.”
there are two methods of calculation: the direct estimating method which sums up the number of victims in concentration camps, extermination camps, through killing squads plus all additional material about killed people and the indirect method of statistical comparison, although there is a lack of useful statistics (mainly in the east European countries) and the often changed borders make some of them incomparable. By combining the two methods and looking for a convergence of evidence on one range of figures versus another, we can estimate figures with a high degree of confidence. Reitlinger, Hilberg, and Gutman and Rozett derive their figures by various methods, including population demographics before the war, the number reported transferred to camps, the number reported killed, the number estimated killed, the number liberated from the camps, the number killed in “special actions” by the Einsatzgruppen, and the number remaining after the war. Hilberg cautions that “margins of error may be wider than they seem” and that “exactness is impossible. But these margins are not so wide that, for example, six million would become six hundred thousand.
Indeed, the range of estimates is typical for scientific data, necessary when figures have been estimated and cannot be stated with certainty. In the physical and biological sciences, for example, estimates often include error bars to show the range of possible error variance, not unlike those social scientists use for polling data. In this example, the error variance is about 8.5 percent, or about half a million. Moreover, a convergence of evidence provides us with a high degree of certainty that the figure lies near six million.

Götterdämmerung february 13, 1945
“Against the Jews I fought open-eyed and in view of the whole world.
At the beginning of the war I sent them a final warning. I did not leave them in ignorance that, should
they once again manage to drag the world into war, they would this time not be spared—I made it
plain that they, this parasitic vermin in Europe, will be finally exterminated.”
April 29, 1945, at 4:00 a.m
“Above all I charge the leaders of the nation and those under them to scrupulous observance of the laws of race and to merciless opposition to the universal poisoner of all peoples, International Jewry.” (adolf hitler)

pic is from Benz's study

People that deny the holocaust probably haven't been to a former concetration camp. I was, in Germany one trip to a former concentration camp is part of school education. You can't fake this shit. There's too much evidence that can't be fake.

The soldiers that commited the genocide weren't average soldiers. They were part of the SS. Most of them believed in the ideologies and race bullshit.

when it to come jews at least

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Inspirational

This man just won the debate.

now,
there are camp (bauleitung) documents attesting to the construction, over 4 yrs, of 8 gas chambers and 46 ovens at auschwitz alone. they have been excavated and forensically tested. it all adds up.
the best work on this was done by a life-long anti-semite who set out to prove the gasschambers were a jewish hoax but changed his mind when he saw the evidence.
phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/pressac/technique-and-operation/pressac0353.shtml

pic related is a timesheet for laying the foundations for the 3 muffle ovens in krematorium 2.

Obvious forged documents don't count. Also, you can't have a gas chamber made out of wood, of course you're too stupid to know this.

Fake study*. A study by the fbi confirms this.

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holocaustdeprogrammingcourse.com/

i expected as much, or should i say as little?
you refuse to accept eyewitness testimony,
you refuse to accept documentary evidence,
you refuse to accept forensic testing.
you will not learn

there is nothing more i can say.

Does anyone have real documents here, that are maybe written by real historians? I don't care, even if they would've killed 6 billion jews there's no need to remind us every day.

what happened to your critical faculties, user? for an example of the master race you seem to lack a basic understanding of how 'real' historians work.
you see, they don't make contemporaneous documents, they study them. this thread refers to several renowned and respected historians, one of whom is real enough to hold tenure at harvard. the only documents they produce are the very books you reject as fake without reading them.
so your question isn't one and you look very foolish, herr fucking ûbermensch

Here's a "real" document xD. Totally not a forgery at all.

I'm laughing pretty hard right now.

That's not me. I'm the one you have been arguing with most of this time, I've just read your posts. I'll have to look into your claims before I can make a response. Give me some time to research your sources and I'll respond.

That didn't take as long as I thought I would. Wolfgang Benz makes many ridiculous claims a quick scan of his Wikipedia shows that he
a)believes the Nazis used "gas trucks" Oy Vey!
b)believes in the six million figure How is that possible when the Auschwitz figures have already been revised?
c)compares discrimination against Muslims to the holocaust Oy Vey!
d)is the director of the centre for research on anti semitism. No agenda to push here, right?

This is an unbiased historian in your opinion? Seriously? What is the source for the picture you use in this post? I'd like to check that out too.

I'll respond to your other post shortly.

For this post I'm just going to refer observers to this Video. It does a better job than I could of disproving the gas chamber myth.

There's also the leuchter report. A man who builds prison gas chambers goes to Auschwitz and assesses the Gas chambers and takes samples to test. Definitely worth watching.

You still haven't proven your claims btw. Is it because you can't?

Important question:
If jews really did die on mass, how come you don't have the names of millions of people who died by now?

You are either a jew or you're incredibly gullible or both to just take peoples word on it. I also find it quite interesting that jews are openly fascinated by the number "6". It is le perfect number to them and they have had a long history of using that number in supposed "catastrophes", that have been proven false.

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The holocaust never happened, but I wish it did.

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IT DID HAPPEN BUT THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT

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Proof?
A better phrase is:
THE HOLOCAUST NEVER HAPPENED, BUT IT SHOULD HAVE!

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How can hitler have done nothing wrong if not only did he not kill any jews, but he lost the war?

Unless explicitly silenced.

Richard Lynn (Historian):
"I've checked out Churchill's Second World War and the statement is quite correct-not a single mention of Nazi 'gas chambers,' a 'genocide' of the Jews, or of 'six million' Jewish victims of the war.
Eisenhower's Crusade in Europe is a book of 559 pages; the six volumes of Churchill's Second World War total 4,448 pages; and de Gaulle's three-volume Mémoires de guerre is 2,054 pages. In this mass of writing, which altogether totals 7,061 pages (not including the introductory parts), published from 1948 to 1959, one will find no mention either of Nazi 'gas chambers,' a 'genocide' of the Jews, or of 'six million' Jewish victims of the war."

Also, I doubt you're holohoax promoting nigger ass couldn't read pdf related, by another historian by the name of David Irving, one of whom went to PRISON for supposed "holocaust denial" Boy, you sure are proving us wrong by putting us in jail without even attempting to refute us aren't ya? You slimy lying fuck?
Of course you wouldn't read pdf related though because you are just a plain liar and won't actually read anything that could contradict or refute the holocaust. You are not interested in actual honest debate. You just get so called "studies" from people that basically pull numbers from their asses with no evidence to support their claims. All it does is just reaffirm what they've been "taught" (or indoctrinated with), in schools. No attempt at critical think was ever made by you and this thread is proof of that. All you do is copy+paste shit from dishonest historians who think they're some fiction writer. But the sad truth is, they're boring, unsophisticated drivel that just magically come up with """studies""" that don't have any evidence to support their claims.

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That's how we can tell you're a fake Nazi. Real national socialists would be proud of their project to purify their homeland, not admit that they're pussies who can't even kill Jews correctly.

The intention was never to kill jews, it was to collect and assemble them for relocation. They only ended up dying because the USA and Britain bombed the rail lines that provided supplies to the concentration camps.

has been pretty much discredited by polish forensics and plessac. all the balls about blue stains and cyanide levels are derived from samples taken from the camp without permission or oversight. his results are incompatible with those of the forensic scientists who sought to verify his claims. leuchter has also been confounded for lies and omissions from the document bundles he accessed. he's a fraud.

that's the famous doc in which the bauleitung sets out the maximum thruput capacity of the ovens at auschwitz. it's an authentic document discovered in the soviet archives when they were opened in 1993 by plessac and corresponds with other, similar documents found in other european archives. its contents are confirmed by the camp commander's memoires, written 60 years before the discovery of the doc. the version you have posted is simply enhanced photographically so as to be easily readable on-screen. if you wish to see the original, as many sceptical historians have, it's in moscow and available to researchers.

when you have hundreds of eyewitness testimonies which all concord, confessions from the officers and soldiers involved, technical correspondance between complicit parties and the remains of the vans themselves, it'd be daft not to mention the gas vans. what proof have you that they didn't exist?
lets stop this arithmetic squabbling. lots and lots of jews were killed by the nazis between 32 and 45. we call these events collectively the holocaust. end of?
the strongest criticism of snyder's work comes from the jewish memorialists who rile at the fact that he equates the soviet purges of political enemies with the racially motivated nazi murder spree. for snyder, the jew killing is only one element in a larger, two pronged clean-out designed to facilitate the creation of lebensraum for the nazis and a commie utopia for the soviets. the jews hate the idea of equivalence in the two crimes. snyder sees them as part and parcel of the same event, which is known as the holocaust.
well, if he didn't work there, some other jewish connection would serve your purpose, eh? all jews are liars? they somehow managed to create a watertight conspiracy about the camps within 3 months of their liberation and maintain it over the next 70 years in the face of historians and deniers who challenge it? truly, the jews are the master race if they could do that in nazi germany between january and may 1945 and perpetuate the lie to this day.

the names
the 'death books' from auschwitz are the best we have. there are some lists of those rounded up by name, there are loading lists for the trains to the east and there are very accurate records of deaths among registered prisoners. the vast majority went from train to the oven without being registered by name. auschwitz.org/en/museum/about-the-available-data/death-records/sterbebucher

sorry user, but if you are going to reject the works of snyder and benz , both historians of international repute, without hesitation or reference to the texts, in favor of the dishonest scribbling of lynn and irving, both of who are proven liars, then i fear you'd best return to Holla Forums where that kind of dishonesty recieves a rapturous welcome.

finally, i'm neither nigger nor jew, neither leftypol or an sjw. i'm an amateur nobody on a mission to find the facts, so cut out these juvenile buzzwords if you want to appear at least a tiny bit credible. the fact that you are a retarded stormer with very little historical knowledge and zero training in its analysis is an obvious disadvantage when faced with someone who has spent years researching the subject. calling people names doesn't advance your thesis at all. it reveals your desperate ignorance and would have entitled you to wear a black triangle in the camps.

this is a fascinating document, btw.
it's a letter from the director of the building/works department of the ss at auschwits (1) to the director of the economic and military directorate in berlin (2), dated june 43. it begins with an update on work to repair some ovens in k3 which failed many times from poor design and overuse and were later abandoned.
there follows (3) an estimation of the daily maximum throughput for each multi-muffle oven unit in each of the krematoriums and totals at 4756 bodies per 24 hr period for all 46 muffles.
it was discovered in moscow by plessac, a long-time denier and visceral anti-semite in 1993, the year the russians opened the archives there to historians. he found plans, bills, workschedules, coke (fuel) delivery receipts: thousands of unseen documents which forced him to abandon his scepticism and gave the world the most complete study yet on the technical aspects of the genocide.
it's good read from a man who never accepted the official version of the holocaust and left a literary testament in which he blamed the jewish memorialists for making serious study impossible.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Claude_Pressac
nytimes.com/1993/10/28/world/book-on-nazi-murder-industry-stirs-french-storm.html

Please don't casually dismiss the biggest problem with the Holocaust story. Jewish institutions beat people over the head with a six million figure that they know is false and use it to get their way on everything. Why do you tolerate this?

personally, i don't tolerate any form of bias, be it from jews or proto-nazis, in how i understand this chapter in history. i'm not in the slightest bit interested in the moral aspects, nor in projecting blame onto living people.
however, some groups, not only jews, have made a very dishonest industry from reinventing the holocaust to suit their distinct political agenda or business plan. i feel a need to disrupt this falsification of history, wherever it may originate.
if your aim is to defeat the memorialists and put the holocaust to bed, you'd be best off admitting the facts. denying the holocaust won't rehabilitate the politics of nat soc in the 40's, nor the image of hitler as a just man. you probably share his hatred and distrust of jews; try proving he was right to try and get rid of them rather than deny he did. it would bring consistency to your position and might even be an easier sell.
the most important reason to not deny the holocaust is also the simplest: it happened. accept this fact and then dispute the details if you wish.

You say that a Holocaust happened, but still accept that most Jewish deaths were due to allied bombing. How is that supposed to make sense?

So you've got nothing but verbal testimony and scraps of paper? Six million bodies don't disappear son.

Even by modern cremation standards. The average human body (or jews) leaves five to seven pounds of bone fragments.

Where are they?

Maybe they're under the thousands of tons of boulders and concrete the kikes seen fit to lay down and refer to it as a monument when revisionists started asking questions back in the '60's.

Allow me to quote the former director of Yad Vashem, Yitzak Arad.

The remains of almost a million murdered jews buried under a few meters of dirt and yet they've never produced a single ounce of physical evidence.

Ok sheeny

masa masheena

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you can't compare these 1 person gas chambers to the ones in the concentration camps. they were built in a hurry and were intended for a room full of people.
the nazis also didnt give a fuck if someone wants to break through the door because that jew simply got shot down

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Questioning The Holocaust - Why We Believed (Part 1 of 2)

i don't think that is true at all but even if it was and the nazis only gassed 750,000, that's the event known as the holocaust.

when you have hundreds of contemporaneous and eyewitness accounts plus>>6730009
documentary evidence to confirm them, that's as near as proof as it gets in history. ofc, if you say the witnesses are liars and the docs false, well, so was g.washington a liar and the american constitution is a jewish fabrication. prove me wrong.

buried, or burned in pyres or ovens. when possible the bone dust was spread onto the landscape or dumped in rivers. body disposal was a major problem for them. it was far quicker to gas than to burn a trainload of kikes. that's why there were so many ovens and so many ash pits. have you read the memoires of rudolf hoss? he was an ss general, kommandant at auschwitz for 6 years and later chief inspector of camps, directly responsible to himmler. good read

Currently watching The Greatest Story Never Told. So far I'm an hour in. Only five more to go.

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here. Was going to drop the YT link to the video I downloaded some time ago but it's been taken down due to a copyright claim by "Epic Elite." Who is that?

youtube.com/watch?v=Vnu5uW9No8g

Well, yes. He was only tortured and beaten/had his family threatened. Yup, he "confessed" alright, with gun pointed at his skull. As for the memoires, well, you have no proof that was written by him nor was that he was forced into writing the lie. He even "confessed" that they killed 2.5 million people. Now go kill yourself that with you're shitty "eyewitnesses" who've been proven false.

Some ten year old Vietnamese kid

there's not a word of truth in that stupid meme. why don't you read what he said? true, he was beaten about a bit by the brits after capture, but his memoire was mostly written in a polish prison awaiting the gallows. why would he lie?

he didn't confess to killing 2 million people. he specifically ridiculised this figure with the words ' even auschwitz had its limits' he said he had no idea of the total and no way of estimating it either.

why don't you guys do some real research instead of hosing down dissenters with zyklon memes? you convince nobody with these outright fabrications.

hotlink failed. dmca takedown. how can you be watching that?

wew

Yeah, and the guy responsible of torturing the guy openly admitted and bragged about torturing the guy. Go read the Legions of Death by Rupert Butler and come back you stupid nigger.
So you admit that the people in charge of the supposed "crematoriums" weren't actually keeping track of how many people they were cremating? So you must also admit that all the numbers were made up too right? You crack me up. So much for those (((historians))) right? People who are qualified to lie?

how do you chose which version to accept?

the guy interviewed by butler, a jew working as translator for british intelligence, perhaps invented that to agrandize himself faced with a writer, 40 years after the facts. or perhaps to curry favor with other jews, or his mom. far better to say, i tortured the butchers ass, than admit you just did your job. british intelligence reports mention getting hoss drunk and slapping him about a bit. he confirms that in the book.

contrast the credibility of the man whose word you accept as truth with that of hoss, a high ranking ss officer and an undisputed eyewitness to what happened or didn't happen.

he made notes for trials where he was a witness at nuremburg. these survive in allied archives. after nuremburg, he went for trial himself to poland, knowing full well only one outcome was possible, where he wrote up those notes into the memoire we know. those notes, letters to his wife, the brit intelligence report, the evidence he gave at nuremburg and the conversations he had with a psy in prison all contain broadly the same story. the original manuscript also survives and is in his own hand with numbered pages.

how do manage to choose the jew?

what a shitty k/d then. and he couldn't cap.

Your post disproved nothing. It was just a confusing way of saying "look at these estimates and this context lacking line of text which proves that 6 gorillion were gassed". A table from a study without context is not proof of anything, either.

rense.com/general78/tort.htm
penetrated in the penis with a ballpoint pen; metal rods up urethra, rupturing it.

Like I said: I downloaded it some time ago.

sorry user, but if you are going to reject the works of lynn and irving , both historians of international repute, without hesitation or reference to the texts, in favor of the dishonest scribbling of snyder and benz, both of who are proven liars, then i fear you'd best return to Holla Forums where that kind of dishonesty recieves a rapturous welcome.

finally, i'm neither caucasian nor non-jew, neither pol or an non-sjw. i'm an amateur nobody on a mission to find the facts, so cut out these juvenile buzzwords if you want to appear at least a tiny bit credible. the fact that you are a retarded stormer with very little historical knowledge and zero training in its analysis is an obvious disadvantage when faced with someone who has spent years researching the subject. calling people names doesn't advance your thesis at all. it reveals your desperate ignorance and would have entitled you to wear a black triangle in the camps.
==ftfy== also as proven in

FUCKING WHITE MALE!!!!!!

First day at work, shill? Or are you doing it for free?

to some extent they did keep records but none survive except for the registered detainees. google auschwitz death books for details of those. several eyewitnesses, both survivors and ex ss, attest to daily tallies of the cremations being kept and almost all sources concur that himmler ordered the complete destruction of all records pertaining to the jewish solution as they prepared to retreat from the red army. in fact, the process of destroying evidence began much earlier than that, after a visit by himmler to the camps, with the appointment of an ss general to a newly created post responsible for the mass grave problem. at this point, they were still trying to bury the victims, most of whom weren't jews. thereafter, they dug the rotting corpses up and reduced them to ash. all this is well documented and supported by witness accounts. then came the ovens, as a reaction to the corpse problem and in view of the imminent mass arrival of the jews.

Also, never mind actual tape on the supposed "death camps" and my eyewitnesses that are actually consistent (video related).

read you own post and decide if it contains an argument.
does it?
read mine. this is what an argument looks like.

now take a second look at your own

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still no evidence

this is a lie. even if many contain inconsitencies or exaggeration, they also corroborate each other, sometimes having never met, sometimes 3 months after the liberation of auschwitz, sometimes 20 yrs later; camp commanders and camp guards and kapos and soviet commissars, writing continents apart or in the reception centers of 1945: it's the same tale from them all.
you know what? many would have preferred suicide to obeying himmler's order to melt into the army. these guys weren't jews, they were nazis of principle. failure and death were part of the game whereas running away most definitely wasn't. people like hoss would have died gladly rather than dishonor their comrades.

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is your argument

your question doesn't make much sense. the context of the thread, the post and the pic related table is the holocaust. i cited sources for every word of the post and for the table. perhaps you had your jewish intellectual gerbil type that post of yours? if not, you must be able to read.

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no. my argument is that loads of different people who never met have said this is what happened and that what documentary evidence has survived supports them. these two elements are far stronger than any argument to the contrary. ergo, i side with reason and it's not in your camp.

direct and

Person who wrote the comment.
I was not talking about a greater context but ones of the things I specifically mentioned - your cited lines and sources, which were all provided in an incomplete form. In other words, you are showing only a tip of an iceberg instead of the whole thing, which does not help your case for that reason alone.

Other anons found no problem in deriving that from my post; perhaps it is you who employs these "Jewish gerbils" to type out replies?

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this is true. that post dates from the id debacle, so i didn't link to the full doc because i was trolling at that stage. however the links are in the thread, the books are online and the docs are there too. all that's missing is that you make a small effort to find them, like me. a black triangle for you too, user: asocial and workshy. it would go so well juxtaposed with a pink one, don't you think? on the pants and the jacket.

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1. Pathology results at the end of WWII indicate camp deaths were due to typhus. There is no evidence of poisoning by gas. For example, Dr. Charles Larson performed autopsies at Dachau and some twenty other German camps. Dr Larson told his biographer “never was a case of poison gas uncovered." (The Wichita Eagle, April 1, 1980, p. 4C.) 2. Dr. John E. Gordon, M.D., Ph.D., a professor of preventive medicine and epidemiology at the Harvard University School of Public Health, who was with US forces in Germany in 1945. Dr. Gordon reported in 1948 that "The outbreaks in concentration camps and prisons made up the great bulk of typhus infection encountered in Germany." Dr. Gordon summarized the causes for the outbreaks as follows: "Germany in the spring months of April and May [1945] was an astounding sight, a mixture of humanity travelling this way and that, homeless, often hungry and carrying typhus with them … Germany was in chaos. The destruction of whole cities and the path left by advancing armies produced a disruption of living conditions contributing to the spread of the disease. Sanitation was low grade, public utilities were seriously disrupted, food supply and food distribution was poor, housing was inadequate and order and discipline were everywhere lacking. Still more important, a shifting of populations was occurring such as few countries and few times have experienced." (John E. Gordon, "Louse-Borne Typhus Fever in the European Theater of Operations, U.S. Army, 1945," in Forest Ray Moulton, editor, Rickettsial Diseases of Man (Washington, DC: American Academy for the Advancement of Science, 1948), pp. 16-27) 3. Dr. Gordon's findings are corroborated by Dr. Russell Barton, who entered Bergen-Belsen with British forces as a young medical student in 1945. Barton, who volunteered to care for the diseased survivors, testified under sworn oath in a Toronto courtroom in 1985 that: "Thousands of prisoners who died at the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp during World War II weren't deliberately starved to death but died from a rash of diseases." (Disease killed Nazis' prisoners, MD says," Toronto Star, Feb. 8, 1985, p. A2.) 4. This lack of evidence is something acknowledged by Professor Raul Hillberg (1985 Toronto trial) and Adorno Mayer ("Sources for the study of the gas chambers at once rare and unreliable" Why Did the Heavens Not Darken?). 5. The findings that deaths were due to disease rather than deliberate extermination is consistent with Red Cross records from the camps and the British intelligence which had been intercepting German communications from 1942 onwards. In Volume II of his book British Intelligence in the Second World War, Sir F. Hinsley notes that British Intelligence was decoding the secret messages from Hoess, Camp Commandant of Auschwitz, to Berlin, which included his daily returns, and goes on to say:– “The returns from Auschwitz, the largest of the camps with 20,000 prisoners, mentioned illness as the main cause of death but included references to shootings and hangings. There were no references in the decrypts to gassings." 6. Judge Edward L van Roden, one of three members of the Simpson Army Commission, appointed to investigate the Dachau Trials, reported: "all but two of the Germans, in the 139 cases investigated, had been kicked in the testicles beyond repair. This was standard operation procedure with our American investigators." (American Atrocities in Germany” The Progressive, February 1949, p. 21f) 7. The six million figure itself seems to have been commonly referenced well before WWII. In 1898 Rabbi Stephen S Wise spoke of “6,000,000 living, bleeding, suffering arguments in favor of Zionism”. 8. Similarly, Don Heddesheimer’s book “The First Holocaust” which also documents post-WWI claims, reported in the New York Times for instance, that East European Jewry was on the brink of annihilation, regularly invoking the six million figure. 9. According to Ben Weintraub, The Holocaust Dogma of Judaism" Hebrew prophecies in the Torah require that 6 million would vanish before Israel could be formed. Tom Segev, an Israeli Historian, discussed how the figure is an attempt to transform the Holocaust into a state religion (The Seventh Million). 10. There are survivors from Aucshwitz like Marika Abrams who were unaware of people being killed by gas. On the other hand it was claimed at Nuremberg that camps like Dachau and Buchenwald were used to gas people. Those eyewitness claims are no longer accepted. Why the change?

Are you expecting me to order a book so that I could research evidence in an internet monkey poo fight which, note, I only commented on, after you admit to being a troll?

"You do it" is not how you gather an audience which believes you. This is a factor in why Holla Forums and holocaust revisionism is increasing in popularity.

so, if those who say it's not a hoax are kike shills, who paid this idiot? you guys are beyond hypocrite. if i cite a jew it's a kike hurr durr. if you cite one it's an oracle. he's the jewish equivalent of you, ffs. the only one of his race to hold that view. i've often wondered what my foreskin thinks of the holocaust and your views gave me an insight.

for u

source? by the look of it, mattongo, but it's only a guess.

Are you retarded? Do you understand what a conflict of interest is? A relatively high IQ black acknowledging racial realism is going against his immediate ethnic interests. A Jew opposing the holocaust narrative is going against his immediate ethnic interests. A liberal who publishes a study showing negative effects to social capital from racial diversity is going against his immediate political interests. "Breaking rank" and siding with your "opponents" is a sign that you're truth oriented, instead of oriented towards what immediately benefits you.

But, what if the citations were all in the text?

i'm expecting you to know what you are talking about. that involves reading or at least knowing about the important texts. if you were paying attention, you'd have noticed that this isn't the standard meme-catapult thread. your bullshit falls short of the target.

sigh. no, i'm not. do i sound retarded to you? do i sound like someone who is talking through his ass? i may be wrong, it's not impossible, but i'm surely not retarded.

You asked a stupid question.

Important texts being whatever you decide to use and cite or screencap miniscule, out of context fragments from? I am expected to read a library of books which I was never prior told the existence of, just to comment on your fault?

Yes, that makes sense. I've been a bad goy, Mr. Silverberg.

and you made a stupid reply.
i reveal my argumentation at length and cite only reliable historical sources. i defend one point of view against the other in a disinterested and consistent manner. if that's retarded, i'm proud to be an honest retard.

No, I didn't, I explained the concept which you obviously failed to grasp, which is that people arguing against their immediate interest are granted some degree of credibility on that basis.

you are expected to know what you are talking about in a debate as acid as this one. that involves reading the works of others who have spent their lives researching the subject and consequently know far more about it than you ever will, whatever, if any, their bias. the alternative is to not believe anything that you haven't seen yourself and to disbelieve everything anyone ever tells you. that would exclude your wife's confession regarding tyrone and the cucumber and invalidate the beating that you received from them both when you started crying. i can see why you choose that path.

try again. perhaps with shorter wurds?

But here's what you seem to be missing, I never argued with you about any topic other than what we are doing now. I only ever made the assertion that your "evidence" was vague and of little value as a result which you yourself conceded.

Again, you will not get an audience to believe you by telling them to look themselves.

not one fuck do i give for an audience. i'm not playing to the gallery here. i'm all alone and fending for myself. if what i wanted was validation from others via confluence of opinion, i'd display my wares on tumblr, where everyone blindly agrees with anything anti-nazi. i choose to do it here because a brave man enters the camp of his enemy to fight. lulz is one thing, lies are another.

do something better with your time then, go shoot up a school or something. Your presence here clearly isn't appreciated.
join antifa then faggot, tons of potential friends (with benefits) and you get to confront the enemy

You aren't seen as a mortal enemy in this thread but a nuisance at best, I think that's safe to say.

without my input you'd be repeating the same lies over and over again and to yourself, or the thread would be long dead..
at least i have the courtesy to listen, think and look for the truth before opening my mouth. it's you who craves an audience, but only one that applauds your dishonesty. bravo, untermensch.
you have managed to drag this discussion into the gutter of your own pathetic existence. i should have known better than to try and improve it.

pick one and only one

How so? I stated my opinion on your """truth""" and then you told me that I should read something that I have never had an interest in.
For all you know the post with the Trump image is the first one I made in this thread, and I never implied that I am a holocaust revisionist myself. I crave no audience, I only believe that the reasons for arguing are to either convince the opposing party of your belief, or convince a third party, the audience. Clearly no one here is budging, so the opposing party doesn't work. The next best thing is the audience, which you have thus far not cared about. It's logical, really.

You should go bowling or something, man.

Hoss was never held by the americans. the brits captured him on a farm where he was working as a laborer under a false name. he was transferred to nuremburg, where, according to his own account, he was well treated. once again, you fail on historical knowledge and analysis.

source?

No you don't understand how ptsd and stockholm syndrome work do you? Besides the fact his confession was probably written by someone else. H
You're the only one failing on this analysis nigger. Also, most of the prosecutors/judges in those trials were jews. Once again you're the one failing on historical analysis. Also just look at the legions of death (pic 2), they were nearly just as brutal as the interrogations at the Nuremberg trials. Where's your confession again? Oh, that's right, you don't have one. But, go ahead… claim that the torture methods weren't horrendous and that they didn't confess to stop the tortures. If you conclude the last thing, there's something wrong with you and you need your head checked stat.

That's not the point at all. The point is that they would have gassed themselves.

and this is the confession of hoess they speak of?!!!

no. that's a trash novel written by a fraud. he's cited in the pic
hoss is pics related.

clutching at straws.
demonstrable lie. see>>6730347
source? oh, wait, you just made that up.
Where's your confession again?
Koss, the ss kommandant of auschwitz for 6 years and later chief inspector of camps under himmler wrote it in 1946/7. published in english in many editions and with various titles. pic related
confess, or fabricate the entire story? if the latter, why admit to anything rather than deny it? if the former, well it's think again time for you.
these were honorable ns zealots who would gladly have died for adolf's dog when the going was good. why would they change into treacherous faggots at the hands of a britbong jew working part-time for the enemy? beaten up, sure and why not? tortured into fabricating a complex story which was subsequently confirmed by unrelated individuals and official archives: no way.

Yeah how about I beat you to near death and see if you'd admit a crime you didn't commit? Any mind can be broken. Real life =/= james bond type films.
Doesn't prove shit.
Just because people said he wrote does not mean he wrote it. And if he did he was forced to by both the jews and the USSR. Who both had great interest to fortify this lie.
Here's the jews reasons:
For one, the jews have prophisized the killing of 6 million jews and that's what was needed for the creation of Israel. Something one of there popes even said. For two they could generate a lot of money off this and martyr hitler for kicking them out of germany.
Here's the USSR's reasons:
For one, they wanted to martyr Hitler for killing many soldiers and occupying much of Russia. For two, they wanted a coverup for what they were doing to their own citizens/the eastern side of europe that they occupied.
On Sept. 25, 1945, Tom Dodd, the second in command on the American prosecution team at Nuremberg, made the following observations:
“You know how I have despised anti-Semitism. You know how strongly I feel toward those who preach intolerance of any kind. With that knowledge — you will understand when I tell you that this staff is about seventy-five percent Jewish. Now my point is that the Jews should stay away from this trial — for their own sake. For — mark this well — the charge ‘a war for the Jews’ is still being made and in the post-war years it will be made again and again. The too large percentage of Jewish men and women here will be cited as proof of this charge. Sometimes it seems that the Jews will never learn about these things. They seem intent on bringing new difficulties down on their own heads. I do not like to write about this matter —it is distasteful to me — but I am disturbed about it. They are pushing and crowding and competing with each other and with everyone else.”
You could have just researched this user… but no you're just a retard.
Again, you fail to address if this was even written by him. And second off they could have (and most likely) gave him on instructions on what to say. You wonder why the initial (((numbers))) are almost always a like? Because they were all fabricated. There's no way someone in the supposed death camp could have ever had an estimate on how many actually died in there. But once again, let shit go over your head.
Already covered this, it's fabricated deal with it.
Already covered this.
Last time I checked, documents are written. And that's all you have isn't it just documents written by the USSR isn't it? If the holocaust really was true why would they bother hiding the (((official))) documents so long and hide them from the public? It makes no sense to me. Also, the fact that they had fabricated the gas chamber in Auschwitz, just proves that assumption. So, what??? They fabricated some of the evidence or all of it is the question. Now go kill yourself.

Actually, you can look up the quotes in that page and see that he actually said those things. It's not the author that's "le fraud". He actually said those things look at the bottom of the page and google any quote they had Bernard Clarke say and they're all true.

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the notes Hoess made at nuremburg and the original manuscript of the memoires both survive. they were written and annotated in his hand with a pencil on numbered sheets of paper. there is no doubt who wrote them at all. none. you can claim they were written under duress if you wish, but there is absolutely no proof of that. none.
he was already dead and not as a martyr but as an abject failure. the ss viewed his suicide as treason, btw. wtf?
strange choice of source for a denier. todd, a democrat, introduced gun control measures which remain in force today and prosecuted the kkk. he was later censured by congress for personal misappropriation of 100k in campaign funds. he believed very strongly indeed in the reality of the extermination programme in nazi germany and interrogated the surviving figureheads of the nazi regime, visited the ruined camps and collected eyewitness testimony to assist the prosecution. in other words, he believed eveything you deny, yet you cite him in support of denial. odd.
why not? surely, the man in charge there knew what was going on and had an idea of roughly how many were killed. Hoess said he didn't know and couldn't estimate it either, because records had been destroyed and his memory was poor. the lowest estimate for auschwitz is 750k killed. the official estimate is 1,8 million. either way, there was a holocaust.
the russian archive contains documents seized from the camps, idiot. you know, original docs found in the rubble type authentic. they bear the seals and stamps of the nazi regime, the recognized signatures of the officers and confirm what physical investigation has shown. dozens of historians have consulted them and even deniers have tried to exploit their contents, notably in a silly debate over how much coke is needed to burn a jew.

oh dear, oh dear. why not refer me to a Holla Forums meme?
you know the one which starts, first, they came for…and ends…and when they came for me? well have a look at a poetic version of the original quote, made by a protestant priest sent to the camps by hitler. hoess knew the man very well. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Niemöller

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Eeyore? well i never!

goblins wtf? why did they want to keep this secret?

Nice to see that you are still completely incapable of disproving anything so far. Why do you keep ignoring the main points that we are listing?

1.False figures
2.Gas chambers
3.Systematic extermination

You are the one saying that these things happened, yet you are consistently incapable of proving that they happened. What do you actually think you have achieved UN this thread? You have made your own side look bad.

You've really done a terrible job in this thread. I'm tempted to call you JIDF but you seem way too retarded for that. The wordplay and subject changing may work quite well in a verbal communication but when it's in text it just exposes your bullshit.

*in

i've dealt with all three points and i defy an impartial observer to say otherwise.
impartiality and honesty are required to understand the truth about the nazi pogroms and you lack both. i am happy with the outcome so far because nothing at all has come up to make me doubt my position and that's why i've hung in here. i'm disinterested and was hoping you deniers would come up with something new that would require i revisit my assumptions, but you, like the nazis, failed.
by definition, an approximation is never precise, so saying 6 million isn't an accurate figure is tautological. numbers don't matter: lots and lots of people were murdered. how low is your estimate and how did you arrive at it? how many jews make a holocaust?
existed in various camps from about summer 1941 onwards. there are surviving construction plans, invoices, progress reports and archeological remains. there are eyewitness accounts, forensic science reports and the nuremburg transcripts. and then there is little you, bereft of anything ressembling a defense case and faced with this mountain of evidence, stamping your jackboot and screaming nein!
the final solution. special treatment. mass transportations. clear evidence in spanish, italian and hungarian archives of a demand from berlin that they round up and deliver the local jews to the nazis. millions missing and unaccounted for after deportation. the wansee conference. nuremburg transcripts. etc, etc. and then there's tiny little you again, gnashing your teeth and screaming, jew!

you lose by a mile, retard, even in your fief of deniers, paedos and other petty online operatives. whatever your view of my contribution to the debate on Holla Forums, i'm grateful to you for confirming what i've long thought: you have to be dumb and a liar to deny the holocaust.

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Top Lel. You haven't proven a thing. When you have had the bias of your sources pointed out you simply deny it, when we provide a citation of Rudolf Hoss's interrogator admitting that he tortured him you act as if that wouldn't affect his confession. You clearly are not interested in honest debate.

You haven't provided solid proof for any of your claims and that's a fact. The burden of proof is on you, not us.

This is a point that you keep repeating but it's a blatantly false one. The numbers are very important, they are important enough to be brought up in every piece of holohoax propaganda and they are important enough to be taught in holohoax indoctrination sessions.

I think this sums up your "debating" style pretty well:
"The great masses could be saved, if only with the gravest sacrifice in time and patience.

But a Jew could never be parted from his opinions.

At that time I was still childish enough to try to make the madness of their doctrine clear to them; in my little circle I talked my tongue sore and my throat hoarse, thinking I would inevitably succeed in convincing them how ruinous their Marxist madness was; but what I accomplished was often the opposite. It seemed as though their increased understanding of the destructive effects of Social Democratic theories and their results only reinforced their determination.

The more I argued with them, the better I came to know their dialectic. First they counted on the stupidity of their adversary, and then, when there was no other way out, they themselves simply played stupid. If all this didn't help, they pretended not to understand, or, if challenged, they changed the subject in a hurry, quoted platitudes which, if you accepted them, they immediately related to entirely different matters, and then, if again attacked, gave ground and pretended not to know exactly what you were talking about. Whenever you tried to attack one of these apostles, your hand closed on a jelly-like slime which divided up and poured through your fingers, but in the next moment collected again. But if you really struck one of these fellows so telling a blow that, observed by the audience, he couldn't help but agree, and if you believed that this had taken you at least one step forward, your amazement was great the next day. The Jew had not the slightest recollection of the day before, he rattled off his same old nonsense as though nothing at all had happened, and, if indignantly challenged, affected amazement; he couldn't remember a thing, except that he had proved the correctness of his assertions the previous day.

Sometimes I stood there thunderstruck.

I didn't know what to be more amazed at: the agility of their tongues or their virtuosity at lying."

Also your post reeks of butthurt. U MAD?

you weary me now with your bullshit and bullshit it is.
live in ignorance and denial if you so choose. your post accurately describes your own contribution, not mine. now fuck off back to your abusive parents on the trailor park. no jews live there but you could pogrom the retards and homos, starting with yourself.

you mean the incoherent ramblings (gained by torture) that didn't make any sense?
yeah, because the USSR/jews forced him to write it. they probably promised to release him/give him less prison time. but, instead, they executed him in 1947, because his usefulness met an end. and of course they wouldn't want him escaping and saying that those manuscripts were a lie.
you know there's something up with a holohoax believer criticizing the events of le holocaust. It doesn't make your case any better btw. but, of course your too stupid to address what he actually said. instead you attack the source. you're a coward.
what I'm talking about is the supposed "holocaust survivors". there is no way they could have possibly known how much were killed in le supposed """death camps""". which have been proven false (especially Auschwitz), where they had tape on what really happened there. where's your footage by the way? Oh, right, you have none.
i'll quote you know:
way to contradict yourself moron.
prove to me that they were actually from the camps… oops, you can't.
yeah let's see an actual trustworthy historian look at those documents. i find it quite strange the public isn't allowed to look at the documents. only researchers who could be bribed within moscow and all believe in the holohoax to begin with. the same dishonest people who think that the gaschambers were an actual thing in auschwitz, but have been proven false.

not an argument

cite one.

David Irving.

Yep…U MAD.

don't be ridiculous. he is a proven liar. it's regrettable that his free speech was impinged upon by the courts, but the prosecution convincingly showed that his claims relied on fabrication and omission. many of the docs he used to scaffold his argument were shown to not exist at all in the archives. the experts he relied upon were unqualified. the science has since been disproven.
also, how does irving differ from those sources you refuse to accept as reliable, besides having not been there or done it, like those i cite, but merely bought the tshirt?

We get it, any source that backs up your version of events is totally legit, anything that goes against it is total bullshit.

Also so much for your argument about "numbers being irrelevant" why would Irving have been imprisoned if that was the case? Has the JIDF loosened up it's hiring procedures lately? I always thought that picture of the retards was just a joke

i made that point 20 posts ago. i understand your frustration. i've had enough of your stupidiy and lies. have the last word, go on. have it.

Yes you did. The difference is that I actually took the time to check your sources and pointed out why I believe they are biased, you simply wave your hand and dismiss mine because you don't agree with them.

Yeah, he's such a proven liar they have to lock him up for his free speech.
What you mean the same court house that barred Dr. Franzisek Piper from testifying upon his behalf? Or how they also barred also barred forensic experts from testifying upon his behalf? You jews are fucking pathetic is what you are. Absolutely fucking pathetic.
What you mean the Leuchter Report? The same study that was confirmed by the Institute of Forensic Research in Krakow? Yeah go suck on a nigger dick you kike and gtfo. You pathetic nigger.

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given the opportunity to have the last word, you were smart enough to make it nigger. that would pass, but the lie about the leuchter report is a lie that cannot stand.
leucter obtained his 'samples' illegally and without supervision, exclusively from areas subject to weather exposure. the 'expert' he employed to analyse the samples wasn't a chemist at all and his methods have been the subject of rigorous scientific criticism. the interpretation he gave to those unreproducable results is also not justified. furthermore, the forensic analyses carried out by the polish authorities contradicted those provided by the non-chemist not once, but twice.
finally, the fact that there were more visible stains on the masonry of the delousing areas is unsurprising, given that they were heated with stoves to ensure the dispersal of the zyklon and that the ppm in air levels required to delouse clothing were approx a thousand times higher than necessary to kill humans. the docs to support this are modern, authentic and available online.
wise up.

Are you too stupid of a nigger not to know that the study by Krakow was done under Dr. Franzisek Piper's permission??? Are are you also too dumb to actually look it up?

the books are in my library, right down to the transcript of leuchters evidence at trial. i know exactly what i'm talking about, that's why i mentioned analyses, plural. there were two, either side of the irving trial in which the truth about the non-expert came to light, and neither support his lies.
i know exactly what you will reply already. spare me the ad hominem.

The Krakow study shows that Leuchter's findings were correct. Who's the liar here? Oh, that's right, it has always been you.

Yeah it's unsurprising because they were disinfecting the prisoners there to stop the typhus epidemic. It's not surprising at all that they were disinfecting the place to try to help the prisoners survive. You retarded nigger.
Yeah, because "weather exposure" = indoors. Wow you are fucking retarded. Also, never fucking mind that zyklon b was found in nearly every other concentration camp by nazi germany.

Triumph des Willen!

Do you not know what a chemical stain is? You do not need heat to make a chemical stain. Nice job again proving nothing.

Just do the math;

4756 Bodies / 55 Oven = 86.5 Bodies / Oven
86.5 / 24 h = 3.6 Bodies / Hour

→ 16m40s per Body

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Fire bricks can only withstand 3,000 degrees Fahrenheit. Cremation (by modern standards) heat can reach up to 2,000 degrees Fahrenheit and an average of 120 minutes. And what you're looking for is well over 3,000 degrees. Not even mention the more people you put in the oven will reduce the heat of the oven and make them less efficient. You'd have to replace the bricks far too much (otherwise you'd create a fire), and you'd also have to clean out the cremation ovens after every cremation, which also takes time. The numbers simply don't add up.

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Bystander here. I see you made the best arguments even when dogpiled by memes, infographics, and smug reaction faces. Just thought I would say, since it's always going to be a thankless job to argue for the existence of the holocaust on Holla Forums. Thanks for hanging in there.

I wish more people had it in them to make the redpill crew engage in actual discussion and not just allow them resort to peer pressure and demoralization. But they clearly don't want that and would rather just have everyone accept their side of things religiously.

I can see why that is.

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were talking about the blue stains discovered on masonry in the delousing areas and gas chambers, huh?
these stains are formed only when hydrogen cyanide reacts with iron deposits to produce the prussian blue, so unless the substrate contains iron, like brick but not plaster or cement, they will not appear. the blue compound isn't soluble in water, but creates a colloid suspension which mobilises it, so weathering is an important factor.
heat is necessary to sublimate the zyklon cristals (27°c): in the gas chambers, the body heat of the victims was enough, but to delouse clothing a stove was lit in the chamber and the blue stains found by leuchter correspond to the position of these stoves. logic: the warmer the zone, the more gas. the more gas, the more stains. add to that the fact that the penetration of cyanide into masonry is very shallow: in the order of 10ths of a mm and that leuchters samples were tested without taking this into account. it's estimated that 90% of the zyklon (tons, literally) delivered to auschwitz was used to delouse clothing from op reinhart, from prisoners selected for forced labour and also the housing units during the worst of the typhus epidemic.
i defy you to produce a forensic report, even in polish, that supports the leuchter conclusions. i know it doesn't exist, but go on insisting that it does or that the jews modified it or that it's all a commie plot by libtard niggers. go on making a fool of yourself, please.

thx