ANCAP Strategy Thread

I AM NOT A LEFTIST!

I AM NOT A JEW!

Strategy for ancaps:

Aren't ancaps supposed to support the homesteading principle? That means you don't get to parcel out unimproved land like you own it, instead people get to put it to use first, then they become the rightful owners by mixing their labor with the land.

isn't that for the market to decide? fucking statist.

anarcho anything is just pure autism

I'm normally pretty pro-capitalism, but you ancucks are fucking insane

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You are a jew and a cuck.
Fuck off.

well thanks, that's so nice of you

ebin

sure, but there are also other ways like buying and selling

You have to keep in mind that this isn't just supposed to be a farming community.

And I am not talking about principles with you, this is a strategy thread from ancaps for ancaps, but it seems like I have to go back to liberty and wait 1 week for 7 users to reply.

do we need to get into where the political terms "left" and "right" came from?

nigga you are a leftist

Also the détente was broken by an influx of Trump supporters so that Ancap discussions are hardly tolerated here anymore

I miss the good old days of nat and liber alliance. Brought together by our hatred of niggers, held together by are love for the boarder are trapped on.

Board we are trapped in*
fuck you auto correct

You wouldn't say that if we had a talk about the practical solutions for current issues.

You do not actually think that my answer to everything is "anarcho-capitalism anarcho-capitalism anarcho-capitalism", right?

I do support practical solutions and I think living in a maximum libertarian society would be as nice as living in an ancap society.

ancaps are for hugging, not for bullying

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no, no, you're right. we need a centrally planned' ancap society. maybe the government should decide how the market works, or we could use democracy'' and vote on it. commie.

Yes please.

We have a responsibilty for making the first ancap community work.

No one said anything about centrally planned or using coercion. Organisation without coercion YOU FUCKING AUTIST!

Anarchism doesn't mean literally anarchism. All we say is that we SOLVE ISSUES WITHOUT USING VIOLENCE.

Work with me here god dammit.

do you really want me gone? ;_;

No, stick around a while and piss off the newfags some more. They're reeling from from the latest betrayal from their beloved orange zionist muppet, so might as well seize the opportunity.

Yes

I think I am going to stick here for a while, bae. ;)

Yes

Capitalism is a leftist ideology.

Yes

so you don't want ancap, you just want a smarter state.

'we' being the govt, of course, but with a different name.

no free market determining value in op's state.

one organisation = monopoly = statism. you've already admitted the state controls borders and practices ostracism.

a pacifist too, unlike real ancaps.

i'll exercise my freedom of assembly and freedom to trade to choose who i work with thanks.

please don't go away tbh.

How fucking new are you?

We established the reigning ideology of 8/pol/ almost two years ago. Sure, libertarians cried about it then but they either got on with the program or fucked off. It's the recent influx of halfcucks that have been oblivious to the balance of power.

so you aren't an anarcho-capitalist then, you just like the name so you can sound edgy. I understand now

I think you have the wrong sort of approach in mind.

Evicting the State is the hard part. If you succeed in that, a community of people who want to live in freedom will grow up organically. It will start off small, without the need for any institutions or oversight. A small circle of mutual acquaintances can work things out among themselves. Later as it expands, the framework of social organization can become more formalized.

Anarchism is leftist.

Capitalism is also leftist.

Libertarianism is essentially liberalism, a leftist ideology, plus guns.

This thread belongs in Holla Forums. Stop posting.

Sage and Report

Or else what, you fag? What the fuck are you anarchists going to do?

So much for "anarchy".

You actually believe that garbage? You are dumber than I thought.

Holla Forums, I am forming a militia to conquer OP's faggot anarchist society. Do you hate anarchists? Is OP a fag? Join the Holla Forums militia today. The only good anarchist is a dead anarchist. Who is with me? Service guarantees citizenship.

Would you like to know more?

wow, sam looks really disapproving and serious here

kinda makes you think xD

ebin :DD

Is that reviewbrah's and eggman's child?

I assume that you are not an ancap. Any question you want to ask me? Feel free.

And that's why in my example that organisation has 1000 ancap members who all try to figure out the basic organisation of how we are going to do things.

We can't just make somebody claim our entire commune or have the first 50 settlers claim everything.

No, if any of you actually bothered to read the text in the OP. I gave an example of 2 organisations who deal with the first settlement of people in the community. Ours has 1000 and the other has 200.

We don't have a monopoly, we just have the voluntary agreement of our members to conform to the rules we lay out.

Well, we want to found an ancap community and don't have it immdeatly taken from us. We can't just let everyone in here, at least not in the first wave and have them troll us.

Also I don't see the problem with border control. We can easily justify it.

Any questions you have for me? feel free to ask

Idk why you guys think that ancaps are against orangizing themselves in an organization

yup

It's assumed that the land is very limited and it's non inhabited.

who shat into your brain?

yeah, bully those libertarians!

It's okay. This might be your first contact with an ancap. I understand that you might think that we guys are literally are crazy nutjobs who want nothing to do with each other outside of our own home, but that is not the case

It's one of our core principles.

Everything about this thread is gay, especially OP.

We don't believe you're crazy, we believe you're naïve and stupid, and the fact that you think you can have and maintain a society wherein rules exist and not rulers is just so delightfully absurd.

Detroit Republican-tier stupidity.

Go back to >>>/liberty/

why? btw, i assume you're not an ancap. because of all the statism you're calling for.

ancap doesn't mean government by committee. let's read your example:
so the 1000 have established a state to decide what they're allowed to own. maybe the 200 are actual ancaps…

tl;dr we need the state.

ancaps would beg to differ.

Most left when the IQ of the board dropped about 30 points when the trumpspammers came

We've pretty uch stopped having arguments and it's about muh feels and circle jerking. We aren't even generating dank memes at the same pace, there's been no signifigant development since this board has started to half ironically/half seriously worship memes

Hm. I think your alternative idea that you can create coercive power-structures that won't be subverted by sociopaths and kikes is even more quaint.

IN SPACE EVERYONE WILL BE AN ANARCHO CAPITALIST

>>>/liberty/

We are alredy in space

Ever heard of common law?

You are not an ancap, because you assume that any type of organization is automatically a state, even though I explictetly told you that it's voluntary.

According to your logic, businesses are states.

Also: NOT AN ARGUMENT

I have yet to see an argument from you why what I am describing is a state.
You are just a sophist and a troll who says he's an ancap, but isn't.

I won't respond to you anymore unless you give me an argument.

YAY! :DD

Just one look at
>>>/liberty/
And no Holla Forumsack will want to have anything to do with you.

Maybe you shouldnt have gotten cocky and tried to bite us you retards.

poal.me/mtzfjw

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oy gevalt what a shoah
>>>Holla Forums

I like you.

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"Christian Anarchist" is still shitting its pants while posting on Holla Forums as always.
8ch.net/liberty/res/23379.html

i don't tho. i assume statist, socialist organisations are states.

uh, no? businesses aren't monopolistic and are subject to the market. unlike your state.

uh, what?

i'm not a sophist or a troll and i didn't say i was an ancap. wrong on all three counts.

does "NOT AN ARGUMENT" count as an argument? because pot, kettle.

I thought you said Holla Forums is below you. Why are you here?

okay, you had your chance

you didn't give me a single argument

Goodbye

Do you really think that AnCaps and Rand Paul supporters are the same people?

Even most minarchists have never liked him.

I don't know why you thought that considering that everything I wrote in this thread is in front of your face

Holla Forums has gotten far far far shittier, but most of the web is shit

I come here for news, not for political discussion because that doesn't happen here anymore

It isn't. I wasn't impressed by them either.

OP, you are fired.

wow, ok, you bump into a single actual ancap on Holla Forums and refuse to engage in rational debate. ok then, fuck you, and enjoy the company of statists who want you to gtfo of the board.

They do exist but they arent very popular/active (compared to other threads) and get buried by American politics new and other shit threads.

You came from /liberty/
Do you think people are blind here? We are literate at least and can read what you spastic retarded fucks write.

Then you can shut your fucking trap you unprincipled fuck.

I dont care. You autists have no real life representation in real life and all you do is trying to pull down people who are trying to do something with your culture of critique you learn from kike Rothbard and Mises.
Fuck off.

Go to /liberty/ and you will see what those parasites really are to Holla Forums.

Stefan Moneyjew literally said facts dont matter. Do you except anarkiddies to be different?
youtube.com/watch?v=xw78QZF3chg
Please spread this video far and wide. Download it too.

Fuck your kike idealogy. Go back to leftypol faggot.

slide thread

me too, Holla Forums has become authoritarian small-minded idiots

Holla Forums what are you doing?

sill no argument why a voluntary organization is statist

not an argument in sight

Stefan, bring in the anchor, let's sail away.

Except I didn't you retarded nigger

I own a Holla Forums board

And yes I try to have discussions on here from time to time but what happens is most clearly demonstrated in your very post I'm responding to. Accusations of shillery and avoidance of any semblance of reason

It's a circle jerk no different from from the plebbit fags

Sorry

This

was for a different thread

Repeating yourself like that is a sign of autism, you know.

Also, who are you, humpty dumpty? I point out that your critique is completely inapplicable, that ancaps don't support Rand Paul, and your response is simply that you "don't care" that you're not even making sense?

fuck off statist. op's an idiot but that's nothing to do with ancapism.

This

is for

I own a Holla Forums board

And yes I try to have discussions on here from time to time but what happens is most clearly demonstrated in your very post I'm responding to. Accusations of shillery and avoidance of any semblance of reason

It's a circle jerk no different from from the plebbit fags

Fuck off then retard.
Are you serious so autistic you still dont get why even Holla Forums has some proper discussions here once in a while but not you?
Take a look at how 50% of your board is two retarded spastics talking about how shit Holla Forums is.
Also, your cult leader presented mental gymnastic to justify lying. People dont like literal kikes who lie here.
youtube.com/watch?v=xw78QZF3chg

This is what I'm talking about. There is no discourse on the subject itself, it's just shitflinging

Nice to know.

Im terribly sorry that I make a mistake then. Maybe I shouldnt poke at retarded autists who dont even get a mention in real politics.

Reason you fuck? You are autistic arent you?
People dont like fucks who spend half their time talking shit about them only later to come to their place, which you openly slander, to ask for "rational discussion".
Fuck off then.

Why are you doing this, man?
If you are really an ancap, then I am very disappointed in you, bro.

You have yet to tell me what is so statist about the organization described in the OP.
You can join the other one or found your own.

Why are you so unfriendly. You are an ancap, I assume that you are smart enough to understand that you simply didn't give me any argument to why my described organization was statist.

But I forgive you, bruh. Hug?

In order for a thing to be slander it has to be untrue

OR do you prefer that I not violate your safespace?

real ancap isn't just "everybody consents". that's just a state nobody complains about.

real ancap is competition in all things, competing private courts, competing corporations offering border control, security, etc.

but i'm a girl…

Still dont get it…

And the opinion of Holla Forums for you is what you can expect from insulted people. Enjoy another 3 people autistic circle jerk just like where you came from.

I cant stop you. The mods wont because they are literally owned by kikes. Frankly I dont want to stop you because everytime you retards open your mouths more people hate you. Just like anarkiddies and lolbergs who call everyone spergkraut/gook on /k/.
Just say whatever you want.
Bye.

Thanks friendo, I will

P.S. You might be able to communicate more effectively if you lost the belief that everyone who holds a certain ideologically position behaves in the same way as everyone else who holds that position. All you've done so far is talked about how you're butthurt that some libertarians trolled the spaghetti out of you

>HURR HURR ABOLISH ALL POWER STRUCTURES!! THAT WILL BE SO MUCH BETTER!!! IF POWER STRUCTURES AND AUTHORITY HAVE THE POTENTIAL OF BEING SUBVERTED, THEN WHY NOT JUST GET RID OF EM ALL TOGETHER? LOL!! WHAT COULD GO WRONG???!!! HURR HURR
off yourself

The fuck are you doing here?

But there would definetly be alternatives and it's not like you would get shoahed if you decided to no longer be part of that organization.

I really had in mind just discussing how one would go about realistically developing and founding an ancap community. My questions was meant to be taken open ended.

Competition and cooperation. Not forced cooperation of course, but there would still be things most people agree upon.

Like security firms. Just imagine what would happen if they wouldn't cooperate with each other in some way. Everything would be a complete mess.

Do you want to voluntary upgrade from hugging to cuddling then?

ah, the always refreshing "argumentum ad retard noises"

Wanna help me take over Somalia and establish a hereditary minarchist kingdom in the vein of Thomas Jefferson's writings on the preferable alternate outcome of the French revolution?

being able to choose your state is still statism.

you wouldn't found it from scratch. you'd slowly more from a statist society to one where the state matters less and less until eventually it just becomes a corporation like any other, entirely open to competition.

cooperation isn't unique to ancap tho. governments cooperate with each other and corporations and individuals. so that's nothing to do with it. it's competition that defines ancapism.

not for free

i don't know Jefferson's French proposal. explain?

Is there a reason why you 4cuck filth came here?

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What the fuck does Dragon Ball have to do with anything?

They're trying to hijack our memetic powers

They all just need to be banned

Holla Forums needs to have a new (first) shoah for shills and newfags

Normally, I would agree with you, but until that Gray Johnson faggot is disavowed, I'll have to say no.

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Are you threatening to initiate force against me?

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But I wanted to discuss what founding an ancap colony would be like. Starting from scratch somewhere, bae.

I see you are a hardliner and it's not like we actually disagree.
Please be my gf. Hnnngggg.
I am from Germany.

It's a win-win situation. We could equalize each other's body temperature for maximum efficency.

You open borders cucks need to go back to Free Republic where you belong. Sorry, you just don't fit in here. You don't gotta have a shrine to Hitler in your house but you niggerlover egalitarians are not nationalist in the slightest.

In order to create your own country (would ancaps even call it a countr?) you need to first be in a position to defend it, which means you need a military or at least a well-armed militia.

Thomas Jefferson wrote that the best possible outcome to the French revolution would have been to establish a constitution and drastically limit the power of the monarchy but still leave the monarchy intact and with a certain degree of autonomous power.

I don't believe that he went into detail as to the why on this but I believe I can fill in the gap because I had thought of something similar myself.

Drawbacks aside, there are certain structural advantages to monarchy in relation to the establishment of a stable and effective state; These being:

Resistance to subversion and populism. kingship is hereditary and so it is not a matter of sociopathic politicians vying to fleece the most voters, and given that the kings fortune lies with the country itself it is much more difficult to bribe the king to act against the interest of his nation)

Autonomy to act quickly and without beurocratic or political intervention. Historically this has been a problem for obvious reasons, but in a properly bound constitutional monarchy, veto or modification of kingly power would be triggered by deviation from constitutional mandate.

The judicial system would be elected by landowners with some form of poll testing for intelligence. These elected judges would have, in oaddition to other duties, the duty to oversee the monarch and intervene if necessary. The military would swear allegiance to the constitution and not the monarch.

There wouldn't be much for the king to do but sort out problems not solvable by the market (and the constitution would have a clause that anything that can be logically demonstrated to be solvable by market forces is outside the realm of the government)

what's the point in that? quality societies don't start from scratch.

please vote AfD

supply and demand baby.

whats the difference between liberalism, tea party, and ancap?

Quite a few things….
What is the difference politically between Thomas Jefferson, Reagan, and Dr.Hoppe?

I can see how this would work for a small country, but even there you run into problems
What would ancaps do about the social contract? Assuming your country is based on purely voluntary interactions you wouldn't be able to integrate the next generation which may not share your values or have different opinions on some subjects. Sooner or later you'd have to have a social contract.

"open borders" vs. "closed borders" is a distinction that is not even meaningful when all the property is privately owned and there is no state.

It's more like "closed borders" because you wouldn't be allowed to trespass on other people's property.

Furthermore, you could set up a contractual arrangement like a homeowner's association and agree not to allow and niggers or muds in your neighborhood at all. Having an all white community and no forced integration with other races is not enough?

Tea party are (state) nationalists and are not a lost cause. No difference between ancap and liberals, other than that liberals focus on social liberalism (degeneracy) and ancaps focus a bit more on economic liberalism but are still cool with your degenerate civilization-destroying buying of children for furfaggot rape parties.

pls by my gf

More like a swiss cheese border of 90% cucks who allow free movement of people bc muh egalitarianism and a few enclaves of sane white people keeping them out until their founders die and their kids become egalitarians too. Fuck off, nation is important no matter what you think of the state.

girls aren't so great user.

Sorry, I'm not seeing a justification for the State in the fact that a stateless society would allow cucks to invite groids to come and cuck them on their own property while sane people can and would turn them away.

No the tea party is coopted because they bring God into all political reasoning. Ted Cruz was the tea party candidate.

Except there needs to be an enforcement of the private property laws of else trespassing on will abound.

Of course. Logically voting for the AfD is the best choice for an ancap/libertarian in my opinion, because it has just the slightest chance at reducing future massive expansion of the welfare state and is strategically advantageous, because it could prevent citizenship to people who have no business of being here

Sure, but I think it would be very interesting and inspiring to the rest of the world to see an ancap colony functioning and prospering.

I am going to offer kisses, massaged and fondling your hair.

Or what about going on a bike tour and trespassing on some farmer's fields and having a nice picknick and then the above?

Good point, but I'm only saying they can be redeemed. Many trump supporters are ex-tea party who have evolved past le snek flag.

whats conservative liberal called?

i like the ancap idea of no state, but i dont like the total freedom for degeneracy.

explain.

i wont cheat on you i promise bb

I cant believe you still refuse to make argument based on reality and insist on this magic wonderland where EVERYONE follows your shit and you are the ABSOLUTE majority.
The very basis of your autistic ideology is egalitarianism and rejection of ethnic nationalism in mainstream and practice. Secondly, it is a hard fact that Europeans and hwhite who would even consider your shit will be a tiny minority in the world. And the majority of this minority will be cucks, like other user said.
"Sane" ancap will be overrun in less than one generation.

but it wouldn't. if we knew how to make an ancap society, it would happen elsewhere first, not somewhere new.

but property rights!

least of my worries tbh.

Well who would enforce the crackdowns on the standard fuck parties? Some level of state is required with a monopoly on violence and a code of laws on what the minimum age is that you can buy a person into sexual slavery for your poz parties.

LOL No.
Liberals are not liberals in the true sense of the word. They are authoritarian leftists, whose gospel is cultural and economic marxism. A true liberal has no problem with traditions and differing viewpoints.

youre making the same mistake gommunists makes. you cannot 'make' an ancap from 0, its a gradual thing.

would a 4 inch dick be a deal breaker?

there can be private police

Their main goal of destroying civilization overrides anything social not to do with the freedom of niggers to sleep with white teenagers.

I'm a nationalist libertarian.
It wasn't the libertarian influence that was the problem. (I am also a Christian) the problem with them is bringing God into literally EVERYTHING.

Well you are right, but you forget that I made a huge leap in assuming that we can somehow secure a piece of land or an island somewhere to buld an ancap community.

It's of course very unrealistic. It's just a thought experiment.

When I go urban exploring abandonded structures, I never get bothered by anyone.
Imo it shouldn't be a problem, untill he sees us and asks us to leave.

And he should have put a fence on it, if he didn't want us there.

So do you like picknicks? You seem a bit skittish and shy to me.

With their own private laws, obeying the one that hired them. We call those mercenaries, user. Or just a warlord's army.

The tea part is almost completely behind Trump, as are most libertarians.
It's a presidential election. You take what you can get. The candidates are always flawed, it's human nature.

That isn't even average. I still have an issue with my size and it is double your length.

kek

MUH N.A.P.

society's laws.

a group of people agree on a set of laws, they hire some who would enforce them, and done.

stop ;_;
i-its the brain that counts r-right? ;_;

Nobody actually says this

You are delusional

Sorry mate, but I think she likes me more.

NAP gets the girls.

So you saying
Hol up
So you saying we can have some legislators who pay an executive branch to enforce their laws?
Hol up fam, can we hire some judges to make sure everything's fair and arbitrate disagreements among neighbors?

What about
Even if you'd manage to create a completely voluntary society, what about your children?
They didn't agree to live in an ancap society? Will you allow them to secede?
In the end you may end up with 1 million "my home is my castle" countries.
Voluntary interactions are the ideal, but everyone would have to constantly be on the move,
because as soon as you don't agree with everyone, you'd have to leave or secede.

nu uh

i cant see why not.

the AN part of ancap is for people to decide what to follow and what to believe. but instead of the idea of some perfect state thats always right, you deal with courts the same you would with a company. and maybe if a court is doing shitty job, then you make you own court, and if its better and people see that you follow the law better, they would go to yours.

i would not like them to, but i think having that option like some lifesaver can be of help if suddenly we were born into a muslim country, you can just opt out, or slowly change its law trough legislation.

I don't think private Judges are an issue Even under common law there were private judges and companies use private arbitration all the time, because it costs less and is a lot faster. The issue is the law itself. How do you get people to agree on something, and what do you when people disagree.

but user
the very concept of political parties is non-libertarian

You have not heard Cruz or glenn beck speak about God and politics have you?

So basically landowners are the ones with voting franchise, and they pay some yearly fees to maintain the upkeep of their society like for judges and police and defense. Cool idea. But what if someone doesn't pay their dues but is still getting protected by our police and army? That's not fair. And if we don't punish him, then more people will stop paying their taxes–I mean dues.

What should we do with those who stop paying? I don't see any alternative other than to send our men with guns to evict them from our union.

I'm doing a thing.

If you are from Germany or the Netherlands. Do you want to exchange skype or email?

here's a throwaway
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I feel like I have yet to fully convince you of my undeniable charme.

Nationalist Libertarianism doesn't exist.

please user don't be so needy

ay gurl u wan sum fuk?

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im christian too. and just because some are retards that doesnt mean all are.

i still think that the only way we can have a peaceful and morally correct nation is in a christian nation.

if courts would be like companies then they would be self-fund. that way you can stop people bargaining people.
like some car shop, you pay for the service kinda deal. maybe as some tax thing? but if you refused you can simply leave

i need to find books that deal with the practical problems of an ancap society

i knew you liked me better bb

Just like how race doesn't exist, except the human race chaim?
;^)

But you managed to show us how retarded your society would be. So thanks.
Hello Somalia.

It is a tenet implied in Christianity for governments to be secular.
A nation of people who are all Christian, wonderful.
A nation in which Christianity is enforced or promoted by the government, no thank you.

i didn't say that tbh

well obviously private judges aren't a great idea in a muslim society. that's why an ancap society would be people with better morals.

Okay then, time to go back to just discussing ancap strategy then.

No worries, I am just going to disengage suitor mode. I doesn't cost me any anxiety or confidence to turn on that stance. Your loss, we could have had a nice picknick.

Kannst du mir wenigstens verraten, ob du aus Deutschland kommst?

But how do you get this society comprised of people with better morals?

The US was a libertarian nation for more than a hundred years and had more in common with libertarianism than any other ideology until the civil war and even today we see the remnants of classical liberalism in the form of states rights, property rights, free speech, etc. You are taking a lot for granted.

Early US
It's not like national libertarians want to try something that has never been tried before.
We just want to have our country back that was stolen from US by the government.

user, it's offputting to only be interesting to someone because of your gender. the ideal bf loves me for my thoughts not my body. if you only like me for my body, then i'm dumped the second my body is unattractive.

stop islamic immigration for a start. end multiculturalism and leftist second.

thats the point of ancap, a bunch of christian can make a 'nation' themselves'

i agree, just like religion should not be forced upon those who dont want it, some secular law should not be forced either. if some government wants to ban guns and you dont want to, you should not be forced. but of course, being realistic, we dont want useless people bitching, thats why they should have the freedom to leave the society.

the only way for people to have better morals would be for them to christians.

i know you mean it bb dont hide it

really tho, would you ever marry a 4 inch dude?

This guy right here.

Why so many people fear living in a society where democrats and communists are physically removed of the territory?
Hans-Hermann Hoppe is an ancap that hates liberals more than anyone.

Man, this OP prompt could have led to some genuinely interesting discussion, if purely hypothetical. Now look at it.

atheists and jews are good too.

we can just cut the chase and you can give me your house, car, etc now?

But we are free to leave society now (you just can't take any immobile thing with you)

Governments are naturally occurring because a unified monopoly on violence is much more effective than a huge number of single person ones.

Hahahahaha.
Funny you say gender. It's not like I am so starved for a relationship, that I convinced myself that I am dominant bisexual and would literally consider to get with a trans girl or even twink.
Totally not like that.

It's not like I am such a virgin that most sexual things I dream about is literally to just enage in hugs and cuddling with another human being.

Hahahahaa

Bet you didn't think it was actually like this did you?!

We want that too, we just want a unified force of people who want to do it and those who are indifferent to it, rather than just those who want to do at at personal expense.

The Founding Fathers were nationalist libertarians.

I wouldn't go that far.
I would say they were 90% of the way there because they didn't have access to all of the information and philosophical strides to Nationalism, we have today.

Here you go, user.

Uh oh, it seems they don't want to leave. "This is my property," he says, "and I didn't agree to your social contract. Taxation is theft!"

What you anarchists object to is not government, it's the government you have. You retreat into this fantasy world of renaming government with autistic new labels for very old concepts which the founders themselves implemented.

No one can blame you for rejecting the social contract which no longer serves us, but you're just wanting to start over so you can be free to marry lolis and kill trespassers like the founders could.

You may as well just become a reactionary and leverage state power to force society to come along with you back to sanity rather than some autistic fantasy about John Q Public ever mustering enough masculinity to want to be on his own paying a PDA to keep his daughter from being raped by the spics & niggers from the enclave down the road.

It's kind of frivolous to talk about a fantasy island that you can't even secure and that would be conquered by next best nation next to it.
Instead of focusing on abolishing the state ancaps should focus on reducing the state as much as possible. It would be a great victory if they manage to shrink the size of government by 20% and they could continue to try to shrink it to zero.

when you put it like that… saved your email for future

youre here, so theres a slim chance youre not a slut.

that puts you on a higher level than most tbh

so youre just one of those gold diggers.

i had hopes in you

you cant really.
you get jailed if you dont pay taxes, and if you try to set up an alternative entity to substitute the current law courts you are jailed too. in a ancap world i think you could set up a parallel system. the government is not perfect but has the power of one that were

it would be like the ealy america, the states were literally formed like that.
"i dont like this law" "lets make this new state with these ones" etc

federal state killed all independence.

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Yup the fundamental issue is that colonial expansion can't continue infinitely on a finite planet. Eventually you have to start fighting for your right to have society as you want it rather than running away to new lands.

Hence reaction. Use the state, use incentives, to rebuild the masculinity on which liberty relies.

i am better than most, for other reasons tho

you're the one who mentioned marriage

I think we are arguing for the same thing.
Are you also arguing for the existence of a limited government?

the thing that makes me happiest about this thread is how butthurt all of the "durr we are the dominant ideology now, kike" fags got at its mere presence.

Truly, nothing makes me happier than impotent Holla Forums outrage, it is most unfortunate that we are unable to harness it to fuel wind turbines.

Tila is that you?

Speak for yourself I exercise my rage and live.off the grid.

If by 'limited' you mean 'right wing death squads ritually kill 10% of the most leftist in society once a year in Purges until our most radical leftwing thinkers are at the level of Jefferson "Maybe Don't Gas the Kikes" Davis.

tila?

Yes :)

If you have to ask then you aren't her.

This thread is fucking retarded.

obviously, but i still want to know

It's more than that. When you are a libertarian, one of your highest values is freedom, the freedom to evolve. When you have a large government and a lot of laws you are by definition not free and the larger the govenrment the less free you are until you get to the point where you are send you tyo prison for illegally selling incandescent lightbulbs and people like this run around killing leftist lightbulb heretics.

Tila Tequila.

youtube.com/watch?v=jbVneUlnQZc

I did not expect that, but I kinda hoped you would react like that. Also I don't actually know how long that email is going to last. So I'd suggest a quick exchange, if you are going to wait longer than a week.

Now you are quite a rarity!

That is one of my favourite things about anarcho-capitalism. It actually allows people to try something else.

All these arguments about roads, public school, etc and getting called unrealistic.
Well it's the state who actively prevents us from trying alternatives, you can't blame us ancaps for a lack of examples.

I like this thread. Some good libertarian and ancap company around.

I don't think this would be actually needed and it would be kinda bad for business.

We were all libertardians once, friendo. We evolved right past you.

The word anarchy comes from the ancient Greek ἀναρχία (anarchia), which combines ἀ (a), "not, without" and ἀρχή (arkhi), "ruler, leader, authority." Thus, the term refers to a person or society "without rulers"
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchy

lucky you user. what did you expect?

will tomorrow be ok?

well marriage is cucking yourself for guys.

Rules without rulers is like having a chess tournament without judges.

how old are you?

why the fuck are you bumping this garbage?

What the fuck?

:^)

Not an argument & not evolution.
Stasis is just one notch above degernation. It certainly is not evolution.

We are not talking about a preservation technique here.

Alright, settle down. Molyneaux is a nationalist now.

If that was true we shouldn't even be able to talk to each.
We'd be like "32492348 gfjkhdfgkldfh gdfkl ghjdfgk hjdf gkdfjg"
You don't need rules to have order. Just agreement.

Old enough not to need a mommy and daddy substitute to tell me what to do.

nigger I say 'country' as an example word. In ancap world there is no such thing. I think that instead of go in up your nationality, you could simply take advantage of th anarchism. You gather up people that agrees with you and form you own country'' separately.

Thats why its said that in an a ancap society power is fragmented in people not the whole land.

so you admit to the logic that children need parents? so then anarchy has an age limit

People need rulers. You might not notice this but 90% of people are fucking retarded. Without someone to guide them they'll do all sorts of stupid shit. You imagine if BLM was happening in a society where we don't have Riot police? They'd have just killed everyone who doesn't agree with them.

Of course ancaps have countries. How would you even separate yourself from non-ancaps if you didn't have a country of your own? They won't let you build an ancap society in their countries, so the only option is to create your own country.

Actually we probably couldn't
Due to language mandates and national languages we would most likely all have different dialects and The amount you could understand a person would directly negatively correlate with how far away the particular dialects developed from one another.

world ancapism.

lol, what is there to admit? Without parents there wouldn't be any children and without care children would die, so yes. children are not capable of making their decisions and caring for themselves, but i am not talking about children, i am talking about adults.
You wouldn't say that Soccer doesn't work, because babies can't kick the ball and crap on the field. It's nonsense.

which means forcing the entire world to conform to your retarded worldview

Get the hell out of here. Who has ever heard of such a thing?
I learned english completely on my own. To be able to have conversations like this.

Shit world anarchism ruined!

Not gonna happen. So i guess you'll have to settle for an ancap country.

Except that's not what their goal. They want to have their own society, because it wouldn't even work without ancaps. It would be like having a christian society made up of muslims. Again - Nonsense.

Yeah, that shouldn't be a problem I wager.

I expected all the closet homos on Holla Forums to spam my email.

Well, uiltimatively all sex is cucking yourself from becoming god's perfect little Angel and getting VIP access to super heaven.

ebin my friend

Most people are like children compared to the few who are capable of leading the rest. Democracy is rule of the retarded mob. A state is an association of people who have like-minded views. Laws are rules which people can agree on. Anarchism is for fucking neanderthals or for a collective that has telekinetic powers in a society where food, shelter and clothing pops out of the ground prepared for you. Grow the fuck up.

statist societies would naturally be liberated and given freedom by ancapists.

it would be an automatic consequence of ancapism happening.

Governments do this all the time
>If you need to talk to a public official or fill out an official form it must be in _
Hell even in the beginnings of society

Unless you force people into your stateless society it's not going to fucking happen.

shiggy diggy

What if people want to live in a state? Anarchism is barbaric, it's utopia. States are merely associations of like-minded people.

Three people's private security is intuitively more powerful than a single person's

AKA a state.

I don't even.

What does that have to do with anything?
English did not become the #2 language by government decree.
People had to pick a language to communicate and they picked english. There was no government pressure. It's an easy language and it's good to know if you want to trade, because the #1 economy is an english speaking country.

You mean liberate.

And once they see that anarcho-capitalism actualyl works, people are going to adopt it and protest and fight for it in their own countries.

We wouldn't even really need to actually attack other countries.

I think it's funny that you probably believe what you just said.

Of course it won't be every single person, you dummy.

they can find some uncharted jungle or something where ancapism hasn't yet started logging.

what?

Yes there was coincidence but without government force, Spanish would have spread much further into north America and arabic(possibily Mongolian) into Europe.

Then those without are ripe for conquering

Do I really have to spell it out for you?

False. The US was the shining city upon a hill for centuries and how many countries emulated the US? Not many.

If a person has the capabilities for applying force equal to x, then three people have the capabilities to apply force 3x and conquer any individual person who can only apply force of less than 3x.

You can't force people into your worldview and call it liberation. That's fucking stupid. You assume that your view will just be magically accepted over night by the mob.

Don't get snarky with me when your promoting a teenager-tier ideology. The classical understanding of a state is an association of like-minded people. You're a 'statist' and you don't even know it. Also capitalism needs to be kept in check by the state or else you'll get what we have right now, big-ass corporations that have too much power, anti-trust laws have meaning.

Too bad no one's going to accept such a retarded ideology to begin with.

Yes, how are you going to repel a cohesive invasion with everyone only contributing and acting voluntarily by their own means.

Why on earth would europeans speak arabic? There was very little trade between europe and the arabian penninsula. The dominant language is the language that is the most useful to speak and the easiest and most logical to speak. Most of the time it's your mother tongue. There's no government involved.

Stop with the pretentious 'why don't you know what I know' attitude and fuck off back to whatever hellhole you came from. I'm guessing leftypol by your inability to argue.

Because of Islam invading Europe, same as the Mongols.

they can't just try copying. they should have had the us run them for a while, like how mercenary corporations would topple any states that tried to exist in an ancap society and provide ancap governance for them instead.

Do you really think it's so outlandish to believe that a firm or organization is going to cover more than themselves in terms of nuclear defence?

Ancapists are statists who are too retarded to realize it.

War bonds.

Yes, and then they demand favors, taxes, etc. from all of those people who they are "covering" who dont have nukes.

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Is this a parody post? You're essentially forming a government.

I saw a libertarian video who calculated it and for the population of the United States it would be a few cents per person to keep the nuclear missles maintained.

So it would be really really cheap.

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I'm not going to decipher what you're implying, just state your fucking position. A state is an association of like-minded people. Ancapists are actually statists who don't realize it. Respond to that without snark or greentext.

a state is a monopoly on force. in ancap there is no such thing. but there can still be private security and mercenary corporations to destroy states that try to form.

What are authoritarian states?

Wait wait wait… for each person in the United States to keep a nuclear missile it would only cost a few cents
I call bullshit.
1.lack of materials
2.lack of skills to do so
3. Law of demand and price of good bring bought more
4. A million other problems.

The problem with all these discussions (ANCAP or otherwise)

Do you have this? No?

Who are the thousand? Can you name them? Can you personally scrape together even 5? Could you even get ONE to give up his job or even get off the couch?

These discussions are no more valid than asking "How would we liberate ourselves from a corrupt oligarchy we live in if we had an army of 1x10^12 cyborgs with Wolverine claws?"

Stop daydreaming. Stop. Stop right now. That sort of thinking kills what precious little enterprise the right has to keep itself from being wiped out by leftists (it won't happen soon, but, ceteris paribus, our extinction is certain).

The questions you need to be asking need to revolve around what you can actually do with resources you actually have and people you actually know. What can you do right now to make the changes you want possible?

Leftists are inherently weak. Furtive little Jews, child-like groids and self-hating whites' only leverage is the APATHY and compliance of the right. There is little else that nurtures apathy and lulls the will to sleep like escapism. Stop dreaming. Stop playing games. Stop watching TV. Take control.

Sage

you get attacked by a guy who isnt a straight social and political retard and raised an army by promising them each a piece of that land.

want to fight back? youll need a military hirearchy not to get slaughtered by a superior army.
but thats statism, fuck no.

you get inslaved and sold for a square meter of land, but there still isnt any state, goverment, law, constitution, institution to protect you.

but wait! a slave rebellion comes, a revolution!
you are freed! after the liberation of slaves and destruction of the old warlord regeimes you and other peoples need an agreement that makes all people equal. you need an agreement of mutual protection from other warlords.
so you can protect your land.

but wait! thats statism!
fuck that lets go back to being stoneage ancaps and get fucked by warlords over and over again

But no matter what if you go abroad enough there is always a monopoly on force.

Your definition of a state implies that there are people who are left out of the equation in a state. That's bullshit. A state is just when people get together, live together, pass laws, and enforce them. You want a state, and your erroneous definitions were created by marxists.

The entire dichotomy between libertarianism and authoritarianism is moot. Authority and freedom are the exact same thing.

Again with your every single person.

It's like I am talking to an alzheimer patient. Are you actually lacking the IQ to comprehend that a security firm might cover multiple people with just one missle?

Where do you get that ridiculous notion from that somehow every single individual needs to own a nuclear weapon?

Do you not know what the stock market is?

You can have shares, you idiot.

These problems, like most others problems that people ITT come up with are not unique to AnCap societies. Every country has to deal with flawed humans, it's just that ancap countries are a little less flawed.

Niggers aren't going to pay taxes.

fucking leftypol needs to go

i'm not sure what you're saying, but 'force' refers specifically to human-human interaction. we're not talking about gravity.

you're saying a state does not have a monopoly on force?

It is a rare occurrence where a country has two militaries that don't at least try to coordinate with each other.

and those corporations monopolise on power and expand to other markets, where they deal with competition either trough marketing or war.
they establish their own areas of control.
in other words they become states.
what will stop that from happeing?
your fuckin ancap vanuard?
like Lenins revolution vanguard?
you retarded fuck?

wat? I just quoted my own post, because it already dealt with the question

so what? it's not going to get funded by taxation

States are merely associations of people retard. Anarchist society is an oxymoron.

monopolies aren't cost-efficient. corporations that tried would be out-competed by more efficient non-monopolistic corporations.

Yeah… Not even close. A police officer, who oversees some gulag is not free because he has authority. He's just a cog in a machine without any freedom whatsoever. Ther can be no freedom if everyone is pecking each other.

no, it will be funded by mandatory donations from each participating member, right?

exactly.

are you retarded or something? what part of
didnt you read?

A monopoly of force? On who? If people live together they are going to want laws, but more importantly they are going to want laws that are enforced. If you don't like those laws and don't want them forced on you then get the fuck out of that area, or try to push for new laws.

There are other threads, you know.

Exactly, how do you get the money from someone who refuses? You have to use force to get or you have to expel, again, using force.

If you have authority, you are free to do what you want. A police officer is not his own authority, so he is not free to do whatever, his job is to enforce the law. Freedom, authority, power, rights are all the same thing: the capacity to do something.

yeah that's the part that's not cost-efficient and would lead to them being out-competed.

on anyone. laws can still be enforced, but not monopolistically.

You've got it backwards.
A people who are imprisoned in a statist shithole are not associating with one another. They have no choice. Association requires choice, that is absent in authoritarian states.

Then they are useless and have zero meaning. If your laws aren't enforced then they might as well be mere suggestions. Laws without an executive power are fucking jokes.

That's what i've been saying. In a hierarchical system, there's only freedom for the dictator at the very top. Everyone else is just following orders a bit of an oversimplification, but generally true

why are you making things up?

Except natural monopolies are cost efficient.

It's that cheap that not everyone needs to pay for it.

Now since some hackers are going to troll the goverment day and night, we are going to get leaks and if people fear that another nationstate is going to attack, they are going to pay or pay more into security firms.

Also it can be assumed that there will always be some individuals who keep it running at minimum maintenance.

Enforced is not the right word. Incentivized is a better idea.
You can incentivize people to follow rules without forcing them.
You can pay them, give them gifts, shun them, ostracize them, shame them, etc, etc.

If you are in a prison it's because you broke a law, most laws are based on common sense and decency, if you can't live in a lawful society you sure as shit won't live long outside of one. If you don't like the laws then fucking leave and find a state that has laws you like retard.

say hello to invasion if you try to become a state like that.

Why do cucks like you end every sentence with a question mark, even when it isn't appropriate? Do you not understand how grammar works?

how isnt it cost efficient? look at mafias.
if you dont buy their protection, they fuck you up. if you do, you work for them.
whats to stop them? some commandments?
who would give a fuck about some rules if he has his own ass to worry about.
unless you want to create somekind of a cult or a religion?

until some state hires your security firm with its superior economy and pillages your ass.
well done, youre enslaved.

Do you realize that the people who do pay for it will become bitter about those who don't pay their fair share? Can you imagine any scenario where this will resolve peacefully?

90% of the laws you encounter in a society are just bureaucratic fog to keep plebs from realizing whose in control, and to make it easier for said controllers to take money from you and your family.

So no, most laws are not based on common sense and decency.

Not really. You don't choose to live in a family, you just are naturally born into it and can't really dissociate from it only if out of delusion and arrogance. Democracy and social contracts are about compromise, no? In an association your desires that dictate your choices aren't always given priority. Your logic is childish.

mafias get stamped out.

interesting pic.

say hello to invasion (read colonisation) if you have no state with borders, military or infrastructure

Oxygen is a precious commodity on a developing planet, Jamal.
Do you think other people are going to work their ass off to produce & ship oxygen to your colony for free? Not bloody likely. You want oxygen, you work for it yourself.

Hierarchies are more efficient than democracies because some people deserve more authority than others, some people are smarter, stronger, more experienced and better at guiding people down the right path. Not everyone does well with freedom, freedom and democracy often give you hedonism and degeneracy. Doing whatever the fuck you want isn't necessarily a good thing.

by who exactly? the community? they get organised when mafias appear? whose to judge whos mafia and who not? someone can just accuse his competition of being mafia.

Laws have no meaning if they aren't enforced, what don't you get about that?

market forces

We are millions of miles in space flying away from anyone who would try to come and help.

Aye, but never seen it demonstrated in the context described; that is, in the context or rules without rulers.

The authoritarian state itself is a prison, since the individual is powerless to change his circumstances. It doesn't matter that it is a "lawful" society if the laws are bad and you get send to prison for selling incandescent lightbulbs and raw milk.

jury of peers

You don't get it. You won't always be able to 'incentivize' people to not break the law, sometimes people will just want to mug people because that's better for their self-gain. Police guarantee that some people who can't protect themselves aren't going to be robbed by people who have no incentive to obey the law. You assume that people are inherently rational actors that can be persuaded this way and that, which is bullshit.

what, mallcops?
do you know how they even work?
you start with two or more bussinesmen making trade agreements. they decide to market competition out of bussines.
they also get others to join in on the trade agreement. they expand, rise.
who exactly will stop them?

and what are market forces? some fuckin magic force that sends lightningbolts into enemies?

At some point you do. Every child can choose to run away if they wanted to and teenager can choose to move out. Man & women can choose to get divorced, etc.
It's not necessary if you live in a loving family (ancap state), but it is necessary when you live in a disfunctional family (authoritarian state)

welcome to the developing world

If you don't like a law, you attempt to change it. Living without laws is living without the guarantee you won't be murdered, raped or robbed given that you aren't capable of defending yourself.

That's how will make it work theocratic ancapism! We'll get Jupiter to enforce the laws. A God isn't human and isn't a state. By Jove, I'm brilliant.

More efficent, smaller businesses incentived by their profit motive

*we'll make it work:

Whoops.

And such a context will never work into perpetuity, nor even very long, because such a concept ignores a foundational aspect of such context - if you have rules without rulers, it is only a matter of time, usually not very much time, until someone acquires power and decides that rules are made to be broken, and that they (be it group or individual) are the ones fit to make the rules.

This is a central concept with all such forms of 'governance' - if you tell everyone they can make their own little communities, can 'do what they want', according to some ancap ruleset, it is inevitable that someone will decide that 'what they want' is, for whatever reason. to destroy and conquer that which someone else has chosen for themselves.

Again, there is no difference between authoritarianism and libertarianism, authority and freedom are exactly the same, it's all just power.

Please tell me you don't actually think a jury of peers, as has ever been demonstrated, represents 'rules without rulers'…

Not without acting like an arrogant little shit who needs to be put in line. If you are properly disciplined then you aren't going to choose to fucking disown yourself from your family. You sound like a child yourself. Women shouldn't even have the right to get divorced as they aren't capable of making good decisions on their own. Women aren't very different from children, they need to have force imposed on them or else they act like spoiled brats.

I agree
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You should become an ancap, you'd be right at home. All you have to do is take additional step and realize that none of the problems you mentioned are solved by government, on the contrary. Dumb politicians linger in power for decades and spread their degeneracy with laws and edicts and make democracy the state religion to keep themselves in power.

Get some better bait, Holla Forums

This shit was stale by the time pedophiles adopted it years ago

Why are freedom and duty conceptually incompatible, and how does such factor into the difference, if any, between libertarianism and authoritarianism?

Curious of your thoughts in this vein.

States are just associations of people, you are a statist and you've yet to realize it. Don't like the laws? Change them.

The core of anarchism is that you aren't to be forced by anyone to obey any rules and that everything is voluntary. If you have laws, not only will they have to be enforced by some group which is pretty much a government, but it's against anarchism.

Ancap guide:
1:the gov is bad
2:the gov don't solve "insert problem"
3:the gov made a mistake see, "insert mistake"
4:say you are right

Right.
Right.
Right.
Wrong. People are not always rational, but they can still be nudged in the direction with ostracism, financial aid, etc.

Are you sure that you are not ancap who is just playing devils advocate?
The police is needed, but you don't need government to have police. I can pick a sheriff and pay his salary. I can hire a security guy or a security firm. There's no need for government to be involved in security services.

So it's like a shadow state

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That would be a reasonable suggestion if there were only a few bad laws. The Federal Register has what? Hundreds of thousands of pages?

Freedom, power, authority, and rights simply amount to what you can and cannot do. Knowledge, experience and the ability to use force are what dictate these things. No one will listen to someone unless they appear knowledgeable and can back their knowledge up with materials such as guns, batons, and prisons. Duty is merely doing what is expected, what is really important is self-control, self-mastery, and self-discipline in addition to being knowledgeable, proficient with weapons, physically fit, etc. With knowledge and experience come the understanding of who deserves what rank, responsibility, and who serves what duty.

What if you can't find some one competent in being a sheriff, e.g., knowing how to subdue someone, shoot a firearm well? You need to have an existent pool of people to do these professions, you retard.

Sounds good… like the liberal ideal state, no force use, just "incentives", no gov. some people to give "incentives".

Why aren't AnShills automatically banned ?

Kek. There's always something wrong with them.

The state collects taxes and does whatever the hell it wants with it.
In an ancap society, you only pay for services that you actually use.

With which legitimacy ?

Wrong, some people will not fucking listen to you. Democracy is a whirlpool of egos. You need hierarchy to filter out people who can actually create the right laws and make the right decisions.

Are you fucking stupid? Police are agents of the fucking state. Governments/states are just associations of like-minded people.

Scroll up and take a look at the name of the board.

wew
you're just jelly there aren't enough statist girls for your particular brand of statism

Like mafia protection?

Nah, you're retarded. And I'm not interested in attention whores from Holla Forums.

Last time I checked anarchism was politically correct. I.e. Occupy Wallstreet.

Legitimacy? I need someone to protect me and so i hire someone. It's like hiring a carpenter.

We're talking about Anarcho-Capitalism here. Not Democracy.
There is no democracy in an Anarcho-capitalist society.

It's very easy to defend the proletarian dicta… the ancap idael future, and it's so perfect that you can do what ever you want to get there.

Nobody who lives in a state calls themselves a fucking statist. Just like people who prefer their own people don't think of themselves as racists, or people who intuitively understand that men and women aren't equal don't call themselves sexist.

Occupy Wallstreet were "gibsmedat" leftists. Complete opposite of "leave me alone" ancaps.

what a waste of digits. this is what happens when we leave things to a statist.

I would suggest you give knowledge too high a standing, at least,as regards willingness of others to listen - a man need know nothing and others will heed him, so long as he wields a large enough stick and wields it well enough.

Further, I would suggest duty, at its core, has nothing to do with expectation, beyond what one expects of self - which, in a sense, you seem to agree with.

I was hoping for more, tbh.

but men and women not being equal is true.

I think it's as close to perfect as it gets. If it wasn't i wouldn't be advocating it.

So it's just corporations that are based on materialistic bullshit and greed, a society which exploits people's traditions for a quick buck? Sounds like what America is already leaning towards. I don't fucking want that, I want people to look beyond mere money, I want people to celebrate their fucking ethnicity. You would give people jobs regardless of their ethnicity, you don't get that ethnically diverse societies are full of distrust.

You're all faggots to me.

you sexist shitlord!

I can see that your mind is closed. You don't want to learn, you don't want convince, you just want to destroy that which you don't understand. Very sad.

I'm not going to read that fucking image.

So if someone threatens you to walk off a cliff with a gun would you do it?

In this thread? Are you kidding?

People pay taxes don't they?

A corporation is a limited liabilty business, backed by the state.
In a voluntary society, there's no limited liability for businesses. There are no bailouts. If your business provides attracts customers it survives, if it doesn't it dies. The beauty of the market.

Wat do?

You're describing chaos.

I was an anarchist to begin with, then I read Aristotle's politics and felt like my prior beliefs were naive. I understand your views perfectly, and your understanding of the state is a strawman. A bad state doesn't make states a bad thing in itself.

Me too, but it can't happen under our current system of government. We need choices. We need choices in government. People need to be able to vote with their feet and move to the society that they prefer. We need competition.

just lurk more

An ancap, to me, seems like the ideology of strelo/k/s. I don't see a point in being an ancap anytime a happening isn't happening.

Wew.

Holla Forums serves Jewish interests while wanting to kill them, Holla Forums doesn't hate kikes but wants to oppose their interests. Anarshit belongs in the trash.

Pleb tier ancaps…..

By attempting to change it, what you're really saying is that you want people to waste their time appealing to a cluster of politicians who have made a living exploiting the working class, so that the complaint can be categorized and dismissed.

You're either exceedingly jewish, or you're just a dumb fuck who thinks all rural citizens are mad max styled pillagers.

For public services yes. Don't like it? Go live inna woods.

Once again, i agree. But there are bad states everywhere and people need an alternative.

This is what you get from little girls who live in fantasy-land

There will never be such thing as a voluntary society. That sounds like utopian bullshit. Children, women, and most fucking people in general don't even make good choices. Freedom is overrated.

The only alternative is a good state. Only another state could prevent a state from existing.

Also muh NAP. The idea of individualist property rights and equal moral worth is the true basis of libertarianism.

No, you need force. Stop thinking in terms of muh freedom. People make dumb fucking choices when you give them the chance. Your optimism in people proves how little experience you have with people.

Good thing that an ancap society is not for everyone. We're not interested in morons. If you make bad choices in an ancap society you suffer the consequences, so you either start making good choices, or you eventually die. There's no social security net and inept police force that keeps the morons alive.

If you don't like the politicians then become one yourself faggot.

You are speaking of good states.

An Ancap society is made for ancaps, not for everyone.
We know that there are morons everywhere. That's why we want to get away from them.

So yeah, chaos.

What you're describing here is literally a state.

That's impossible. You just want a perfect utopia. You can't escape the fact that most people are naturally going to suck and need to be forced rather than given a choice.

DON'T CALL IT A FUCKING STATE

stupid statists can't think beyond their programmed terminology

If it walks like a duck, sounds like a duck, has duck guts, fucks like a duck, and has duck babies, I'm calling the damn thing a duck.

It's a country, not a state. A state implies a government, which is obv. absent.

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A country and a state in this instance would be the same thing. You are retarded for thinking that people should attempt to function without governments simply because bad governments exist.

Why do you assume that there's no force? There's no agression.

Again, that's not true either. We tend to solve problems without violence, but they key is that we do not resort to aggression. If someone aggresses against another we obviously use force and aggression to defend ourselves.

That's not really an argument, is it? Just because good or bad government exists, doesn't preclude people from living without government.

Your 'voluntary society' wouldn't be very fucking voluntary if you were forcing or 'agressing' people to conform to your society. Christ you're dumb.

You haven't given me one goddamn reason why people should actually want to live without a government.

Maybe you should take a look at wikipedia, before you join discussions about subjects that you have little to no knowledge of.
Defending myself =/= Aggression

You have to read "voluntary society" the same way you read "popular republic"

So pretty much most systems by default

So, if in your future, I and some friends, want do kill and robery in the roads, how will stop me?

Do you really have to ask? You're on Holla Forums, there are 101 threads every single day about the cancer that is government. Affirmative action, devalued fiat money, bailouts, democracy, etc.

If you have to resort to telling me to do research about your retarded outlook then you've already lost me and the discussion. On top of sounding like a pretentious little shit.

No one is going to want to participate in your little pseudo-state on the pretense of your 'self-defense.' You still haven't come to terms with the fact that the mob needs to be controlled by force.

Sounds more like democracy. And we all know how those turn out.

Probably going to gun you down or call security.

Like I said, bad governments do not mean that government itself is bad. You are throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

What the difference between security and police?

It's unlike any other system. There is no institutionalized coercion.
No taxes, no draft, no nanny state, it's a voluntary society.

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no government is better than any government.

But there are institutions, like corporation, don't?

No it wasn't. This retarded meme needs to do. America was a Racial republic with protectionist policies towards foreign trade, and free markets. This is in direct opposition with libertarian philosophy.
That's called paleoconservatism, you mental reject

Hahaha. You've called me retarded and other things and i am the little shit for indulging you, despite your insults and your unwillingness to accept anything? Wew.

Any government is better than no government.

see what I did there?

Nationalism and libertarianism are contradictory terms.

If you feel like you've been traumatized by the experience you can always turn off the computer. I've already had your views in a past life, then I grew the fuck up.

You can't fire the police if they are doing a bad job. You can't reward them when they are doing a good job. You can't pay them extra to do more. In other words, they do not work for you and they are not accountable. When you hire security you are the customer. As a result they try to please you and deliver a high quality service for a low price. The police on the hand don't give a shit and why should they? There's nothing you can do, because they work for the government, not for you.

nigger what are you talking about

Again, you point the current system error, but don't explain why ancap would be better.

A corporation is a government backed entity, See
There are businesses and self-employed people, there are churches, charitable organizations, etc.

Don't say he's a nigger, nigger know very well how to fire cops

police definitely work for you, they work for the whole public and they are held accountable, in fact MSM loves to hold them accountable for just about everything, including niggers being out of control

Have you ever fired a police man? Have you ever hired one? It can't be done.
They don't even work for you, so how would you fire them?

And a cult or a paramilitary organization?

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All things aside. I don't have to prove that ancap would be better.
All i have to do is point out that the current system is terrible and there are no viable alternatives and that the current system attacks and destroys all alternatives to the point where they are moving towards a one world government where there's one set of laws and one system of government.

i guess.

Police officers get fired all the goddamn time even if they didn't do anything wrong. It's completely disingenuous to say that police officers don't get fired or rewarded, or that they aren't held accountable. Anybody is capable of filing a report, suing on officer, or just making a ruckus like BLM and MSM and getting the chief of police to fire someone who was just doing their job. Police officers enforce the laws of the people, they work for you, me and everyone in their goddamn jurisdiction.

lol no. When someone works for me, there's a contract.
Where's the contract with the police?
Where are the terms of service that i agreed to?

Yes you do faggot. Otherwise no one is going to 'voluntarily' join your pseudo-state.

Yes there are, they're called good states as opposed to bad ones.

Really. I've had my home broken into and they just took a report and that was that. They never investigated anything, they didn't even take fingerprints or anything. Did anyone get fired? Nope. They got away with filing a report in response to a burglarly. Utterly incompetent and unaccountable to the public.

It's called the social contract faggot. Stop being so thick-headed. The police are agents of the will of the public in accordance with enacted laws.

Unless you aren't aware of the laws of your state then you know damn well what the terms of service are.

The mythical good states! Name one. inb4 Cuba

I didn't sign any contract, "faggot"

fuck you retard, the dismissal of opposing views is what stagnated Holla Forums

I didn't agree to them. See, this is why we need alternatives.
People are born into a shitty society and there's no way to leave or change it.

Fuck your personal anecdotes nigger.

Yes you did. Your citizenship is a contract.

what stagnation?

Is Africa almost an ancap paradise? Why?

Not an argument. I gave the example, beacuse you didn't understand me when i explained to you that you are not a customer when you deal with the police.

your strategy is to fail because ANCAP doesn't understand human nature

Then fuck off to the hills degenerate! You could just go through the legal process and get a law passed by electing representatives and voting for bills that you like, but noooo you insist on throwing a childish tantrum and burning it all to the ground out of dissatisfaction.

BULLSHIT

personal anecdotes aren't arguments, I could easily give a counter-example and nullify what you just said

German style National Socialism is the only way to go

No, no. That's not how it works. A contract needs a signature.
Where's my signature on the social contract?

How do you get food until you can sing it?

HURR DURR I LOOK AT GOVERNMENT AND SOCIAL INTERACTIONS/INSTITUTIONS AS EXACTLY THE SAME THING AS A PRIVATE BUSINESS SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND BASIC SHIT HURR DURR

No, you are just playing dumb at this point. You have no customer relationship with the police. I have demonstrated it to you with my example and by pointing out that you that you can't fire the police if they are doing a bad job. You can't reward them when they are doing a good job. You can't pay them extra to do more. In other words, they do not work for you and they are not accountable. When you hire security you are the customer. As a result they try to please you and deliver a high quality service for a low price. The police on the hand don't give a shit and why should they? There's nothing you can do, because they work for the government, not for you.

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ANCAP is a mental disorder. Your last chance to make something happen was with RonPaul and no one voted for it. GG ancap fags you lost now get in line like every other wage slave and fight for your team

It's a metaphor faggot. If you don't like your government then check to see if other people don't and form a fucking political party or something. You keep suggesting that because some governments and police are bad therefore it's all bad, which is obviously bullshit.

By the way, the police are not even required by law to show up when you call 9/11.
That's the kind of (non-)service you get from the police.

you know the police "service" is not the same thing as a voluntary service that you go out of your way to pay money for right? You know that government has different motives than a business right?

Consider that the community (used as a vague, general term) was originally centered around current affairs. This then became politically incorrect discussion of all kinds, and much investigation was had into varying issues. Debt, immigration, the need for a just hierarchy, biological and chemical issues (e.g.: lead deposits in American water systems), the rejection of relativism, recognising education and media in their current form as political tools primarily and just tools secondarily, et cetera. There is no further investigation, or elaboration, on these points, beyond the superficial links (most likely espoused by the moderation). The board, ironically, has fallen into the same trap which led to its creation.

Bullshit. You can go to police headquarters and file a fuck report and threaten to sue or it it's really bad you can get the fucking DA involved. You don't even know how any of this works, do you?

Exactly. I never agreed to live under a government that steals my money to give it to international banks and fight wars for israel. There is no social contract.

Can you say ONE, fucking ONE, argue about ancap being good, point the error is easy, Frankfurt school did that far better than you, but can you defend your point?

then if you don't like it get the fuck out of my country or work to change it.

Fairytale scenarios won't help you with that.

Yeah, because people call 911 for stupid fucking reasons sometimes. They are required to show up if it's actually serious because that's what they're paid for and they'll get in trouble if they don't.

There is a contract, as in if you don't like it either get the fuck out or change the laws.

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Even if you believe in the outer shell of the official story that 51% control the lives of 49%, it would mean that 49% are being oppressed. It's impossible hurdle to convince millions of americans to support my cause. That's why democracy sucks, you never get anything done that the dumb mob doesn't agree to.

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So, what you want in it's place?

As for the moderation stance, see

Idk, your views are pretty retarded so you could probably get plenty of people to consider it.

I didn't notice. Thanks for the heads up.
It's kinda sad that mods bumplock threads that are politically incorrect.

Come on, say us what you propose in gov. place?
(are you capable of doing it?)

the mods did a good thing, this was a stupid fucking thread to begin with

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Voluntary interactions, Business-Customer relationships. I want to pay for the services that i use and not for things that harm me and my family. It doesn't benefit me or my family to bomb afghanistan or kill ghaddafi or bail out citybank.

It's not politically incorrect faggot. It's plebbit-tier garbage.

This thread illustrated Holla Forums in action. If the mods have to step in every time Holla Forums could instead dismantle an opposing viewpoint, the community becomes a hollow shell of what it formerly was.

An Anarcho-Capitalist society, obviously, but i'd be happy if the government was just smaller, a lot smaller. Property taxes are killing me, Obongocare is a mess, I just want to be left alone.

Ok, the points is that you can explain exactly how and if this would work.
How the corps., cults, paramilitary would't became new government, how the courts would work..?
Lets discus this and not how evil gov. is

It was dismantled right at the beginning. Faggots just kept bumping it though. I like the moderation, I don't like people bumping shitty threads like this.

No, the government needs to be bigger in order to keep the power of corporations in check, and so we can efficiently deport beaners and ban muslims, and build big walls. Fuck your selfishness.

It wasn't always politically incorrect to make threads about topics like this, but for the last three months or so mods have been deleting and bumplocking threads left and right. This board is becoming a reddit circlejerk. Total safespace. No opposing viewpoints allowed.

You get a point

Seems to me like they are working hand in hand against the rest of us.

That doesn't matter genius. The discussion continues unabated and this is the spirit of Holla Forums. If the mods step in at any point, they're kneecapping the community.

You're free to fuck off. The mods are doing a good job from preventing this kind of cancer from shitting up the quality of the board.

The government isn't doing shit to keep corporations in check. No anti-trust legislation or anything.

A mod's duty is to step in when there's shitty threads like this.

My point is that this board is about politically incorrect topics, not about entrenching the board culture of the day. Can you imagine talking about nothing but meme magic, trump, niggers, sjw for years? I don't. Let threads die that nobody posts in, but not threads that get 500 replies in 2 hrs.

So, lets mods decide it, until that let us continue this threads.

No, a mod's duty is to ensure the board's quality. If threads appear, and they are bad, but the board is clearly operating well in spite of that, the mod has no right to interrupt the growth. Doing so handicaps the community. Have you ever moderated a board?

It's already bumplocked.

This seems to be a microcosm of our discussion about government.
We don't need mods to kill bad threads. Bad threads die on their own, because nobody posts in them.
If someone samefags and bumps his own thread i can see why mods would want to bumplock it, but that was obviously not the case here. It was just a mod with a thin skin who wanted to shut down a discussion.

Excellent relation, although bad threads don't always die on their own. Case in point: bots, shitposters, the negative feedback loop of a bad community (which is the sorry state we find ourselves in). In this case, a just moderation is necessary.

What you'll find is that the judicial arm of a community accelerates the state of that community. To subvert it, all you have to do is plant the seeds of subversion, and the rest will sort itself out. To renew it, you have to plant the seeds of renewal, and presuming that you have enough to sway the tide initially, the cycle will change direction. Cf. homeostasis.

ancap faggotry is PC plebbit-tier crap for people who have background is classical literature or experience with reality

That's exactly what they did.

Repeating it doesn't make it true, unfortunately.

APPARENTLY NOT

Same goes to you faggot.

If you don't want to address the finer points I've raised, you can just concede, I won't think any less of you.

I can't seem to find them.

I did suspect myopia.

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There's no need for that, user. I'm ready to have a discussion; the thread's already bumplocked and in its twilight period, and OP seems to have learned what he needs to know. There's nothing to be gained here. If you can't find my points, however, I will continue to sit and periodically poke fun at you, the excitable person that you are.

you talk like a faggot

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I'm an ancap, but this is a fucking retarded topic.

And if you bothered not only posting on /liberty/ but /leftyshit>, then fuck off back to whence you came.

Fuck you retard, that sentiment stagnated the board.

Are you ready for removals? If so, then we can talk. But OP still had a shit topic.

Time's not on my side right now, but I've voiced my opinion on that above. As per 'removals', you'll have to be more precise.

what do you think this is? stargate or some fuckin hollywood movie? theyll get conquored and enocided like the bloody indians.
your ancap villagers will be displayed in fuckin ZOOs as a reminder why not having some form of unity is prone to getting your shit pushed in

thats called a tax you moron.
you pay a tax for the road you use.
you pay a tax for education that you and your kids will use.

by your retarded opinion A TAX is everything you have to pay and you happen not to use, right?

you mean ancaps like the somalis? they had a perfectly functioning community in their opinion before those fuckin UN statists started to attack.

so you have a country (withborders no less) that is ancap on the inside. you mean like Somalia?

the magical market forces with lightning bolts and pixie dust

and then youll get shot and die, while the security wont come because you cant afford them and they dont want to risk men for your bullshit

and what prevent that security firms boss from becoming a warlord and his soldiers joining him in sight of plundered and looted riches?

you should take a book that sais "HISTORY".
you should look at all the pre 1900s US corporations and monopolies, aswell as asian trading warlords, european conquerors and slavetraders of americas, etc
churches will defenitly create a monopoly on power and destroy any opposing assholes with zealots and inquisition, and ultimately form a state.

it is, but it doesent count because its not a good example.

security firms arent aswell,they can just shreed the contract when this 100 mallcop firm sees a warlord with his armies plundering your protectless cabin in the woods

kys