Is the president of mexico retarded?

Is the president of mexico retarded?
I'm not a trump supporter, but given that he's the president of the us why would he not negotiate? He has no leverage and mexico would be absolutely wrecked with a 20% tariff imposed on their exports to the US. Can someone explain what they think is going to happen? Or are they still at the stage of being offended that inhibits rational thinking?

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The US has spent decades fostering Mexico's dependence on corn and coke for exactly this type of leverage. Mexico can't tariff the US back without people starving.

A 20% tariff would be illegal. Why negotiate when you know the man is bluffing?

Because Losin' Donald couldn't negotiate his way out of a paper bag.

They're corrupt as fuck and are betting on the American's fee fees. Once the deportations start, he's going to have egg on his face.

Mexico completely relies on US gimmedats.

His only hope is to go to UN and say Trump is holocausting Mexicans.

I don't think congress will pass a 20% tariff on Mexican goods because it's filled with necons like McCain and lidnesey Grahm and Rubio.

You have to remember that only congress can pass a tarrif, not trump.

kek, faggots what don’t you understand. the US doesn’t produce shit. if you start marginalizing all the country’s that produce the shit you consume. you are equally as fucked. and even if you start producing you’ll have no place to export.

Pretty much. A 20% tariff would harm US consumers, just as much as Mexican producers, it makes absolutely no sense.

The only ones getting wrecked here are the American people buying shit from Mexico.
Way to go Trump.

the only things we buy from Mexico is shit we
don't need like avocados. US can survive without Mexico, Mexico cant survive without US

kek
China
mexico
vietnam
i could go on

Yeah, sure.

it's all talk. typical demagogue type talk, addressing the lowest common denominator of americans.
he'd need to withdraw from nafta and get congressional approval for the tarif.
then there would be the problem of retaliatory tarifs on exports to a very price sensitive economy and the problem of no more mexican produce in the stores.
china would fill the void if it meant starving the ughars.
you'd also obviously want to have the wall in place before you implement this tarif, or smugglers would have a heyday and illegal avocados would become a thing on the streets of newyork.
pass the popcorn, op

What bubble do you live in?

That would be an additional problem, but the tariff itself is a problem, because it makes trade with Mexico more expensive. Who pays the Tariff tax? Amercian consumers. Who pays for the increased border expenses? The american taxpayer. Trade wars never benefit anyone.

We'll likely see some factories move to Burgerstan. Is there anything Mexico makes that American's can't?

it's the way it works, my friendo.
15% maximum and 150 days time-limit without congresional approval. unless he declares a state of war, that is.

Yes. Mexicans. Their labor and willingness to work for very little is extremely valuable in itself.
These are 120 million workers that are no longer available to americans. You may have a work fetish and want grow and make everything yourself, but most americans don't.
Of course there are millions of other things, natural resources, land, etc. it's a very large country.

cocaine
mass produced babies
gore videos
er, that's it.
pity about the coke tho'. i count on the cartels to make the great wall of trump a moment of lightheartedness for future generations stuck in history class.

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Americans would eat less guacamole, Mexicans would starve. Mexicans don't have leverage.
You're completely delusional.

You don't understand how trade works. We have $60 billion trade deficit with Mexico. Both sides would suffer, but Mexico would suffer less to the tune of $60 billion.

This is a good point. None of those people would be in favor of a 20% tariff. But I also think they are party politicians, I don't think they would want to undermine the US's ability to maneuver, which would happen if they undermined the president. It's not a foregone conclusion that it's impossible to get it passed.

I was just disproving the statement that "US doesn't produce shit" which is demonstrably not true.
Both sides would suffer, but Mexicans can't afford it and politically can't suffer it. There's such a material imbalance already that you can't just use a trade deficit as evidence that the US doesn't have leverage. If it's a trade war it becomes a war of attrition.

If you ask that to any Mexican that actually resides in Mexico, then the answer will be. Yes, he is. The idiot already got deaths threats narc style by pissed off people.

You haven't disproven anything. There is an imbalance, but it is not in our favor. Mexicansare already sending us $60 billion worth of goods for which they receive nothing but dollars in return. They send us goods, we send them dollars. It is obvious who would suffer more in real terms: The american people and everyone who holds dollars, since reduced trade with Mexico harms the dollar.

In relative terms it may harm Mexico more, since trade with the US is a larger percentage of their GDP, but in absolute terms we would suffer more, since we have a trade imbalance with Mexico.

I'd say that's disproven. The statement has nothing to do with US/Mexico trade. What would it take for you to admit that statement is false?
And absolute terms we already have a much better standard of living. Clearly neither country does well from this situation but the US would clearly be better prepared to deal with the consequences of a trade war, that's where leverage comes from.

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There is no leverage. See, the problem you make is that you assume that Mexico has no other trading partners and that when trade with the US ends, that their businesses would have to shut down. The reality is that they would simply sell to the next highest bidder on the international market, except they wouldn't trade in dollars, they would trade in euros or some other currency. We would suffer more in absolute terms and wether or not we suffer more in relative terms depends on the next higest price the products would fetch on the open market.

We use this land to grow crops and to keep our mexicans who work for us. Contemplate the interconnectivity of our economies.

and you assume there won`t be consequences from taxes. Other trading partners? WHO? You think Guatemala or Brazil or similar countries would want the product, you think this countries businesses can ship it to another part of the world/continent in the same year? You think there is going to be 60b deficit another country will immideatly cover? AMERICAN COMPANIES who are BASED in AMERICA who are already promising to stay in the country are going to move their 60b of product into another continent just like that?

Well…he is Mexican, so…

BURN THE HERETIC

He has no leverage.

Yeah, basically. They need time to emotionally deal, as a country. We've totally got the upper hand (Mexico needs the US WAAAAY more than the US needs Mexico) so they are pretty much our brown bitches. They'll concede and concede and concede…

Really, I'm hoping for all out war so we can kill all the beaner males, and old women. Leave the young, juicy ones behind as sex slaves for the beta male uprising.

Americans won't even eat fruit unless it's covered in a pound of sugar and a gallon of butter

No. I didn't say there wouldn't be a transition period, but yeah, most products can be sold all over the world. Guatemala, Brazil, France, Singapore, Germany, etc.

We have a trade $60B trade deficit with Mexico, not the other way around. Besides, they don't need to find another buyer right away. They are easily capable of consuming the $60 billion worth of products all by themselves.

No we do not. Trade is a mutually beneficial relationship, there is nobody who has "the upper hand". They don't need us. We don't need them, but we are both better off trading with one another and exchanging goods and services.

I find it funny that nobody complains that Trump wants to raise taxes on americans
If he had announced a sales tax, people would probably shit their pants, but since he announced a tariff tax, the sheeple are besides themselves with patriotism. Get out your wallets, sheeple.

MAKE AMERICA GRAPE AGAIN

MAKE AMERICA GRATE AGAIN

TL/DR Pieto already has a bucketload of domestic problems back home because they privatized the oil industry and the Mexican can't afford the now higher prices for car fuel.

If he would have gone to that meeting they'd likely have lynched him.

The fuck we don't.


Can be, mate. Trade CAN BE a mutually beneficial relationship. It hasn't been, for the US but Trump is gonna change that. Shit, has already changed that, look at the Ford plant.

Autistic NEET man-child confirmed. Very few relationships in the history of the entire universe have ever been perfectly balanced, buck-o.

==LOL==, tell that to the millions of Mexicans living here, working here, and sending their money home. The Mexican cartel wouldn't be anything if it wasn't for America's demand for drugs, for example.

No, we don't, and with AI and automation, even less than before.

As long as Mexico plays by our rules, sure.

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Trade by definition is always beneficial to both sides, if it wasn't beneficial no trade would take place.

That's the beauty of trade, it is fairly balanced and the higher the number of trading partners the more balanced it is.
You don't seem to understand how trade wars works, so let me tell you you the story of the little desert nation and how it avoided getting crushed in a trade war by an evil empire.

The little desert nation had no rivers and no rainfall, but they had plenty of diamonds, which they traded for water with their northern neighbor, the milk & honey republic. Over time the milk & honey republic transformed into an evil Sticks & Whips empire and their g-d emperor made it illegal to buy diamonds.

Surely this must be the end of the little desert nation. Everyone knows that you can't drink diamonds! Here's what happened: They went to their southern neighbors and traded their diamonds for water there. They also smuggled some diamonds into the Whips & Sticks empire and sold them for an extraordinary amount on the black market. That's the story of the little desert nation that won a trade war against the evil empire.

HEY DUMB ASS SPIC. LEARN TO SPELL CONGRESSIONAL.
also

WAR ON IMMIGRATION. ;^)))
bye bye jose.

this blue pilled cuck seriously believes that?

Both sides at the table. But not all stakeholders are at the table when these deals are negotiated. The biggest reason companies get to fuck the workers is because the workers usually have no say in company expansion/relocation. The company owners have zero reason to give them any say.

Tools like properly operated unions, legislation putting up barriers to free trade to make the cost of fucking over local workers, and even social shaming for outsourcing labor are important ways to get all stakeholders involved again.

good luck

can you guess the nation that ranks 3rd in the nuclear stockpile?

They think Trump is gonna burn off soon and run into roadblocks in congress. So they're better off biding their time and see how Trump does domestically first.

No serious politician in the US is willing to hurt their own people just to send a message. Imposing tariffs would be a yuge shift in policy especially for republicans, so he needs to sell that at home before he does anything.

Not him, but I want to guess.

India!

Trump already told the car companies to GTFO or get fucked. All American companies will be forced to come home, or not tap into our market at all. That is fair.
fuck off globalist cuck

where you think all your shit is being manufactured shithead? ;)

and cars
and computers
and televisions
pretty much all of the old american industry is already down there

electronics in japan, cars in arizona and everything else made in USA because I'm not a stingy jew.

nope

sure thing faggot. your FO3 dreams will never be true chink. also you will never touch a ceiling in your life, albeit only a rat tunnel.

whoops, meant for

We are friends with Japan so far. They fucked themselves by expecting a Clinton victory by observing the American newspaper media.
The Japanese said they will not be rused another time and that American media is fucking useless.

we can survive with you, but like all shitskin parasites. you can't survive without us.
what are you going to do? eat your vehicles and machinery? with what? your 0.5cent wage because hyperinflation just killed your shitty economy?

idiot! who was talking about nuclear war? usa simply can't afford doing something so colossally stupid
says the mutt ;)

wow aren't you like 12 years old

how new are you kid

They don't need to eat their manufactered goods, because they can simply trade them agricultural products. The amount of economic illiterates ITT is truly staggering. How can you be so clueless and yet have such a strong opinion?

Econ 101: What is more valuable? $100 worth of guacamole? or $100 worth of rocket fuel?

He will negotiate, lel. Trump administration has acknowledged their defiance but they will have to pay for the wall or suffer much greater losses in the future.

Usa is illegal.

I want the wall but I don't want to pay for it, that's the shitskins problem

And trade at a massive deficient?
kek
How can you support globalism like the little rothschild cuck you are.
The 100$ of guacamole since libcucks like you that are suddenly for bad trade (since cucklet bernie isn't your POTUS) since Trump is doing it like BUT MUH FOOODD DDOEEE.

die spic.

nice trips
but no I don't go to the mexishit store, it's just fucking everything (including people) is imported from there, shit's fucking annoying.

also I'm pro-wall, but fuck, it's gonna be a motherfucker to build. it's pretty much gonna be a 1500 mile long natl guard base, with DFACs and medical bays and sleeping quarters and shit along it every couple miles, a road, a rail line along the length (at least for the construction, to bring in supplies) and all the other logistical bullshit involved. The corps of engineers must be having a fucking coronary at the thought.

DUDE
WALL
LMAO

spot the dirty spic

And that is going to be bad? These faggots are employed to do this shit. No more welfare queen attitude. Dig the hole or fuck off.
your state must have some serious problems. even the beef is imported?

Problem? This thread is not about the wall, but Trumb's tax increase scheme.

Shit is about forcing tumblerites to work, not about about muh money.

dude fucking everything is brought in here from that shithole. most all fruit/corn that you buy in bulk (the palletized shit) coke (and other soda) a good bit of meat, a shitload of produce, etc
we're close to the worst on like every fucking list of bad shit ever, fuck this hellhole.

don't get me wrong, I'm all for walljobs, but it will still be a motherfucking nightmare. I've worked on pipelines, and that's a clusterfuck and a half to organize. This would be like building five of those.

>The US Consumer would be absolutely wrecked with a 20% tariff increase on our imports
Read OP's post again, i quoted the relevant part.

Trick question
it's the 100 dollars because they're printed in the US
USA USA USA

JIDF fuck off already. Aren't you getting paid to shill Holla Forums?

Shouldn't you be on your circlejerk board, goy?

I go where I please because I'm not being paid to be here.

Like the wall isn't going to happen, lol.

The wall may happen, but the american taxpayer would pay for it.

It will only cost $16 billion. Trump already saved America $4 billion by forcing Boeing to change their plans on Air Force 1. That was before he was even sworn in.

If all Obama did was build $16 billion walls, with the amount of money he spent in 8 years, we could have 625 walls between US and Mexico by now.

You would never be able to cross that many walls, Paco.

fuck you racist faggot

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LOL, maybe at first, but Mexico will pay for it long term.

$100 in rocket fuel, because you can use it to fuel a giant engine that runs a factory which produces guacamole at a more efficient rate than having a Mexican pick avocados while shitting, passing on his e. coli, then getting on welfare.

Apparently now that CTR went bankrupt, the BIDF comes out. What the pesos per post, Paco? How many to get a viagra?

you guys are so short sighted its amusing.

Trump is literally fucking over the US"s security at this point.
while he may fuck over the Mexican economy for his stupid shit, he forgot that the US has many powerful enemies who shouldn't be close to US borders.

Mexico won't go bankrupt, i'm sure China and Russia are already making deals for military bases in return for money.
the US will have missiles right under its ass.

i find the situation quite amusing, Trump will fuck the contry beyond repair faster than anyone could imagine.

It's a textbook example of Trump's modus operandi. He criticizes outrageously over-the-top crooked deals, reduces them to outrageous, crooked deals and then portraits himself as a master deal maker and a man of the people. You dumb Holla Forumstards are being played like a fiddle.

the closest thing Russia could get sofar was Cuba.
Mexico would be like having a gun pointed right next to your balls, its a checkmate.

The president of Mexico did not negotiate because his economy is in freefall mode just on the fear that Trump is building a wall and is going to force Mexico to pay for it. Have any of you seen what the peso has done in the last 72 hours? Trump doesn't need to impose a tariff, and he knows it. All he has to do is pressure their economy, which he can do with mere words.

The only thing that the president of Mexico is concerned about at this point is saving his own ass because his country is on the brink of economic collapse. Any appearance of negotiation would be seen as capitulation and weakness by the Mexican people, and he'd be slaughtered in the streets during the impending governmental overthrow. By refusing to negotiate he retains national dignity and ensures himself a place in whatever Mexico's next government looks like. In the meantime, he has secret negotiations with Trump in order to work out an actual deal on both immigration *AND* NAFTA, and we in turn re-stabilize their economy.

Do you fuckers really not understand how this game is played?

You are playing 2D Chess on a 4D chessboard.
1. Nuclear weapons do not exist.
2. Russia, like the US is controlled by masons.
3. The cuban missile crisis and the space program were faked to divert defense budget funds into black budget programs.
4. In the 60s the construction of the Wal-Mart tunnel program began, a network of underground rallroads and tunnels that connect Canada & Mexico and spans from the east coast to the west.coast.

>>>/larp/

A huge majority of Americans have already said they would be willing to do so. So I really don't care who pays for it. As long as it gets done, I will be happy.

Further, I don't think we should stop with our Southern border. The border with Canada should also be walled.

Watch and see.
Watch and see.

That's just wishful thinking. I bet you also believed that Obongo would close down Guantanamo and end the wars in the middle east. Just admit it, you want to be lied to.

How many countries bordering Russia do the US have bases in? It's irrelevant considering both have had nuclear submarines wandering the globe for the last few decades. A sub can get closer to NYC and DC without being detected than the mexico border, and that irrelevant space near the border is basically just a buffer. Unless Russia is planning a land invasion of Texas the whole idea is meaningless.

Tariffs would hurt Mexico just like a VAT would hurt Walmart

I'm pretty sure comrade Trump is still not running a command economy so he can't tell private business what to do, no matter how much he tweets about it

whait a sec ar u pretandin to be Holla Forums agen Holla Forums?

no. you invented that.