Mutualism

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There is no such thing as anarcho capitalism.
It's the biggest meme in history.
A person that claims to be anarcho capitalist doesn't understand jack shit about politics in general and should be treated like a retarded petulant child.

That's if you open a coffee house, as you say, yes. Exactly right.
The image is about a co-operatively owned one.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutualism_(economic_theory)
This is an okay overview.

No. Communism cannot scale and needs to run in small groups and has no currency, unlike Mutualism.

you could do anarcho capitalism, it would be a very stable system right up until the point that ANYONE decided to come in and wreck shit.

then it would break like a teenagers voice asking someone to prom.

You're a little bitch, Kevin.

dubs confirm

I never did check the get

You are literally retarded.
Do you understand what the state is?
Do you understand what a nation is?
Do you understand what would happen in a world with no nations and no state whatsoever with private companies running -everything-?

Do you understand what happens when a multinational corporation becomes big enough?
Do 1+1 and figure the 2.

Anarcho capitalism is a fucking joke because the end result of anarcho capitalism is nothing but capitalism itself becoming the state it loathed before, with it's own police force, it's own privately owned military, it's own communities, and so on.

The end result of anarcho capitalism is exactly the same shit we have now but worse.
It doesn't "break", it's broken to begin with because anacaps have the intelligence, insight and attention span of a fucking goldfish and can't realize the innate long term consequences of their idiotic mindset and how it would massively backfire on them in ANY situation that doesn't involve them being literally in the top 1% rich elite leading the biggest multinational corporations in the world.

Basically unless you're fucking Trump, being anacap doesn't make any sense.
And if you're Trump, you're smart enough to just infiltrate the current system and get elected legally, instead of wasting your time on an ass backwards way of doing things when you can get the same results playing by the current rules we already have in place.

you should probably kill yourselves. anarcho capitalism has already been tried and tested in Somalia. also, if you truly think most "anarchism's" are actually "anarchist", you're fooling yourself. anarcho-anything is usually just a technicality as it just advocates for a stateless society.

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That place has a state, hierarchy, and it's awful. If Somalia is a test then it failed. The proper word for such individuals is either voluntaryists or libertarians. Anarchism is a left wing ideology. Please read bookchin, kropotkin, goldman, bukakunin, and proudhon.

See here and then kill yourself.

Just call them for what they are: spastic retards.

gas the kikes

>bukakunin
topkek

How so? Because they allow private property??? WRONG.
Are you truly this oxymoronic that you actually think that humanity hasn't survived thousands of years and advanced because of that leadership? You also do realize that parents are also a hierarchy right? Hierarchies are pretty much essential in day to day life and without them life would revolve around the self-centered people who'd care about no one but themselves. Hierarchies are also essential in the work place otherwise people wouldn't be productive and could slack off and get the same pay for less work. You can voluntarily disregard hierarchies if you want, but you'll remember that voluntary subordination is voluntary. And if you try to enforce laws against it… guess what? You've just become a state.

niggers aren't people

It's Karl Marx tier. Also corporations violate the NAP you fucking retard.

agreed

the problem is op any political ideology is always going to attract annoying edgy fuckwit teenagers who have nothing better to do with their lives.

everyone else is working, spending time with their family and otherwise trying to enjoy their life. they don't have the time or energy for this shit that in all honesty will never amount to anything.

Ancapitalism works because without government bureacracies giant megacorps would cease to have the ability to shut out small business. Giant bureacracies are not efficient. Conflict would be at a minimum since most crimes of our day are things that are morally neutral(weed lmao) so you defund organized crime. Private security guards already exist for many private properties and gated communities already exist. No one will invade due to the fact that fighting an offensive war against a well armed people doesn't work out too good(America cant handle defeating slant eyed gooks, zipperhead, or ragheads on their own turf)
Ancapitalism is the next logical progression for a liberal democracy.

Yeah your point is? A police force/military (actually only a militia because military's violate the fucking NAP) doesn't make it magically become a state. Voluntary taxation isn't a state you retard.
The term "community" is a rather vague concept that isn't really applicable to reality as we know it. What's wrong with having a community, and how does that revolve back to statism??? Simply living near each other counts as a community by it's definition. Also, not allowing of (((communities))) to coexist with each other is authoritarian, may I suggest you check your premises.

Somalia isn't a good test of anarcho-capitalism because of
And the fact that in order for anarcho capitalism to truly work it needs to come from a stable economically strong country. Anarcho-capitalism isnt some magic meme that solves all the world's problems by any stretch. It just seems that it performs just as well as any current government in some places and performs even better in others(namely respectin your freedumbs).
The problem with a lot of ideologies is that people act like theyre the solution to all the worlds problems and theyre applicable to every single country everywhere. This is wrong.

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You wot m8

Giant megacorps have all the power in the world. What are you talking about?

No, they have a state because they are a state. They are the Federal Republic of Somalia.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somalia

If everyone took what they wanted, would everyone get what they need?

Working people do not benefit from commie colluding anarchist scum. You're degenerates who fail to grasp tribalism, or realize that modern tribalism is in fact the third position.

In our current society they do. But how would they in ancapistan when they can't collude with the government to make regulations and policies that favour them? Please don't tell me that big companies would have their own army, that notion is completely ridiculous.

ancap here, even though corporations trying to act like that would get leadership assassinated if they couldn't be held to account, some would try the private army route. The problem for them is their structure would make them ineffective against little guys who would no longer be kept from popping up.

Why not? Corporations do whatever they want.

Mutualism is not communism.
Tribalism sucks ass. Why not try to leave it behind?

Because other people have their own companies they pay for defense. Is a company going to wage war with literally the rest of society? And for what, so they will buy their brand of coke? Violence is expensive, and companies aim to make money.

proofs

This sort of makes the memes seem real. I can totally actually picture THE MACDONAL IMPERIUM going up against the MICROSOFT REPUBLIC for land to build on.

So if we're talking communism, markets are something that is banned. Illegal. All resources MUST but under party ownership.
If we're talking anarcho-communism, the idea is for everyone to voluntarily contribute to pooled resources, and that the market will just sort of wither away because of that.
With Anarcho-mutualism the idea is that a market won't just magically wither away, but also one should not go the authroiarian route and try to BAN the market. The market will always exist since people will always want things from each other. (Take how much money artists make on weird ass furry porn as an example.) As long as the well being and life of individuals are not BOUND and CHAINED to being forced to sell your labor in that market, then it's an okay thing. Does that help?

Also OPs flag is the wrong color.

Yeah, but BEFORE the state rolled it was a stateless society.

Then you're a moron if you knew how either company operated or how much fucking land there is.

You think the nigger warlords didn't tax and steal and conscript soldiers? They just sucked at it because they are retarded subhumans.

Formation:
• Somali city-states
c. 200 BCE
• Sultanate of Mogadishu
10th century
• Adal Sultanate
13th century
• Warsangali Sultanate
13th century
• Ajuran Sultanate
13th century
• Majeerteen Sultanate
17th century
• Sultanate of the Geledi
17th century
• Sultanate of Hobyo
19th century
• British Somaliland
1884
• Italian Somaliland
1889
• Dervish state
20th century
• Union, Independence and Original Constitution
1 July 1960[3]
• Current Constitution
1 August 2012

Dude, no it was not.

If all land all over the earth becomes privately owned, then only those in power have any true freedom. Everyone who works for them get scraps, those who cannot work, uh, well I guess they would just keep being kicked off private land until they reach the ocean and then drown.

not going to happen, there is always some too marginal to be worth improving/homestead/enclosing etc

what power? Owning property? Everyone who isn't terminally retarded can own property.

definitions

Projecting your own kike-behaviour on others?

what is insurance? family? charity?

I hope commies like you get fucking drowned

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stateless_Somalia
Yeah, you should probably kill yourself an go back to >>>Holla Forums while making le ball memes made from reddit designed specifically for strawman.

Not an argument.

So everyone else just gets to starve in a desert?
Only when they can afford it, those at the top can manipulate the market however they want. I don't want literally sock old fat dude dick for a few years until he tosses me a deed to 400 Feet of swamp.
what
How do you afford insurance without a shit ton of money? I work in IT and I can't afford it now. Charity is too small and not reliable.
I'm not even a communist. This rudeness is unwarranted.

I've read about this, private forces owned by dudes with dosh ruled the land. It sucked ass.

If they're stupid shits who piss off everyone who would help them and they're too lazy or retarded to even try to take care of themselves and too worthless for others to even do it for them, then yes. Let them starve. Go find a religion if you don't like reality.

I'm a lazy fuck who makes

I bet you believe in Anarchosocialism, or as you would consider it true Anarchy.

Quick question about that; how do you distribute the wealth without a massive bureaucratic infrastructure, and wouldn't that infrastructure be considered a government?

Another one for you: How does Ancap not exist? Would you say it's because it has never worked before, and wouldn't that mean Communism does not exist?

One final one: If you can't answer my questions will you just try to insult me, and will that mean I win?

Not that guy but I can try to answer.
The idea I think is to undermine far off hierarchical authority via working with the person next to you, your neighbor, your community. Work with those people and they work with you.

It's not so much that the ideology does not exist but that the terminology is wrong. Anarchism is a very old libertarian left ideology that is against hierarchy and capitol in all forms, at it's core. So one cannot say "anarcho-(something that involves hierarchy or capitol)" and have it make sense. It's like saying anarcho-stateism or anarcho-monarchism or anarcho-jusheism. I feel like voluntaryist might be a more accurate term for the ideology.

lol at the buttblasted teenager

I feel like it would be better served switched with anarchosocialism as voluntarism, as mutual favors require consent. Also, trading favors for favors is fundamentally capitalism, and I would argue that capitalism is the natural state of humans.

I agree that saying anarcho-anything is pretty stupid, because what happens after the abolition of government is in the hands of each individual.

I recently heard someone say Queer Anarchism was a thing. They, of course, refused to elaborate on how this would work, how it would be enacted, or what the principles behind it were.

aka commies

You can't just abolish the government and expect things to just work out without people having some sort of guiding principles and philosophy.

I disagree but I'm for Anarcho-mutualism and not one of them so whatever.
Please dear lord do not give these people any moment of your time.

I bet your arguments aren't any better. Every mutualist I've heard has been c4ss tier

I'm sure you think tribes are also (((governments))) too right?

I'm sure you think tribes are also (((governments))) too right?

Shit. I double posted because I had an error and my original post wouldn't post.

lel

probably the coffee house costs would be split between all the people who works there kinda like a share .
this is not far fetched tbh I have seen it before some of my friends split the cost of a restaurant and they all work in it and get paid equal salaries.

I bet it's a real shitty restaurant

it's really good fam , the best around actually.

what kind of food?

italian

People can have shared ownership… this still doesn't justify communism, mutualism, syndicalism etc.

Related
thelibertarianrepublic.com/marxist-restaurant-closes-as-result-of-poor-business-model/

AS A RESULT OF POOR BUSINESS MODEL? HOW DO YOU KNOW MAYBE IT WAS SOMETHING ELSE, EITHER WAY IT WASN'T REAL COMMUNAL CONTROL ANYWAY SO IT DOESN'T ADD TO THE POINT, START ARGUING ANY TIME COMMUNISM IS GREAT FUCK HEAD.

communism is cancer, so is capitalism.
when the power is in the hands of the state and not the people, communism takes the power from the hands of the people and puts it into the hands of the state, capitalism is taking the power from the people and put it into the hands of corporations.

so I reject both.
so Holla Forums and Holla Forums can both go die of terminal cancer.

capitalism inevitably leads to corporatism, because business owners will always pool resources to minimize risks and boost profits.
it's the only logical step in that outdated paradigm.

also anarchist fags, you have the right idea but you are still retards in my book till you come up with a more sustainable decentralized economical model.

Who is going to enforce the NAP?

Thats the inevitable conclusion of laissez faire capitalism you mean.

You /leftycringe/ cucks always show you don't know jack shit about capitalism. Even Marxian economic theory has been applied to capitalism. Marxism hasn't changed since the 20th century, capitalism has.

wat