Communists/soicalists are absolutely pathetic

But that's wrong. Americas founding fathers were for a free market and never intervened with it, they left it alone. It's not Utopian if it has been tried and tested and fucking works.

No. Compare ancaps to ancoms: in an ancom society any form of capitalism is violently suppressed. In ancap society people are free to participate in communes and whatever collectivism they want, so long as it's voluntary. But we all know communism doesn't work in any sort of large scale, and that's why it's only been able to survive in history for any length of time through violent and authoritarian statism.

Yeah no

Higher thread count is gonna be required since i guarantee you're overweight

well, since the eve of politics, any attempt by the majority to unite and demand compromise or (perish the thought) a share of the spoils from the few who own everything has been met with repression on the domestic level and war between nations when they are capitalist. name a war between communist regimes.(u can't, but try anyway)
a free market economy where free means free hasn't existed since the dinosaurs and in those days choice wasn't a thing, so the modern definitions don't apply. the notion of a free market is contradictory, alright, oxymoronic, insofar as without some regulation, consumers don't have choice and with regulation business isn't free to compete. qed, a free market has never existed and you cannot say it could survive without war, all the less while all historical evidence points to the opposite conclusion.
the same can be said of the communists. you are each as bad as the other. your breath is the wind blowing from the mass graves of the middle east. your breath is foul. your breath is foetid like the cum-filled sock you hide beneath your mattress. you are nobody.

Gee, OP, you seem to have it all figured out. And in one small post too!!

Learn to nuance. In this globalized clusterfuck of technology and complex markets, any unbridled approach to a socio-political ideology is unwise. Whether it's capitalism or socialism, they both present problems in their unadulterated forms.

As for something as archaic and idealistic as a by-the-book approach to Marxist communism, forget it, it's even less realistic than Medieval Feudalism.

wrong

Not user, but while they may have a choice, the choice doesn't matter if they can't afford the options. Or if what they CAN afford is so limited that they're able to be taken advantage of by corporations who exploit the poor.

how? without property rights and the rule of law, commerce becomes coercion. sellers gang up on buyers or simply kill each other until one comes out on top.

Nice way to contradict yourself in one paragraph.

There would be regulation. There wouldn't be state-enforced and monopolistic regulation. You use the same sort of arguments that stem from your lack of understanding of how things would work without a state, which in turn stem from the fact that you can't comprehend that a society with drastically different system to what you live in would work.

If you're gonna throw around socialist buzzwords like 'exploitation of the poor', at least explain why.

This is ideally what it's supposed to do. Just like communism is supposed to ideally prevent hierarchical power structures from exploiting the proletariat – unfortunately it doesn't often work out this way.

If companies, who's primary concern is the bottom line, can get away with exploiting the consumer while profiting, history has shown that they have a tendency to do it. You shouldn't need to think too hard to come up with examples, but the banks who were packaging the useless mortgage deals that partially led to the recession is an obvious one.

i made only one of these assertions. simplifying the argument to a lowest-meme denominator doesn't advance the discussion. it sterilises it. history shows capitalist economies often if not always attack their weakest neighbors for nationalistic gain. this is why the world is shit today. because we fight each other all the time rather than join forces to tame to our profit the resources of our planet.

this alone reveals the bankrupcy of your viewpoint. regulated markets aren't free, unless you've a novel definition of free.
please. i'm no more nor less of a fool than you. we both swim in shit. vis. we're here, now, chewing the fat.

He's right. Freedom is just a concept and often a selling-point. A "free" market is impossible, only one in which it's more difficult for some than others.

I'm not anti-capitalist, but socialist principles and policies are important to mitigate the pernicious effects.

you're all fucking wrong. National Socialism economy is the superior economic model. Capitalism is globalism, as that is the best way to maximize profits. If I tell you that you can make millions if you join me and my company, then you will surely agree, for that is the best way to uplift the peoples spirits and the standard of living, correct? Well, the result of capitalism being used as a goal (as opposed to a tool) has resulted in those 'businesses' to become degenerate in nature, like the porn industry or subverted journalism. There is a reason the purple square in the political compass is just a stereotypical Jew, that is their wet dream (swindling goys endlessly). It actively acts as a disincentive for ethnocentric heterosexual monogamy (open borders, subversion is marketed to the new masses, and females replace males in the workplace/gender roles). NatSoc is diametrically opposed to this subversion, but does not destroy private property rights, just regulates them for what is best for the people. It takes men of greatness to rule with that amount of power; truly, it is a once in a century kind of thing, which is why, for the time being, it is best to avoid bigger government, as I don't trust them to have the best interests of the ethnic population. It establishes a hierarchy based off of ethnic background/the nation's people, that is its true goal, to preserve that, no matter what. And that means regulating the market, which does not make it absolutely free. And, of course, it is opposed to Marxist mass egalitarianism/equality of outcome. The system is globalist to its core (workers of the world: unite). Go on any Communist death toll book review and read the comments, you have some mongs sucking off Mao, which drive you to Capitalism, as it did with me (red scare and whatnot), but that is a false judgement. The free market IS globalism, it allows the Soros types to prosper (as long as there's revenue, who cares). NatSoc strikes the balance. Not too sure about Fascism, all I know is that the two aren't exactly identical (Mussolini and Hitler were different with their rule).

You can have many examples of exploitation of the poor, what you can't present is examples of the poor being exploited in a free-market society without a state. When you have a monopolistic entity on power like the state, it is inevitable they will be corrupted by money. When you get rid of the state, you get rid of the means of corruption.

Call it regulation, certification, whatever. It would be voluntary and done by private companies. Obviously, people wouldn't buy things that have no guarantee to be safe, and neither would vendors stock them. That's just common sense. And the people who did and died from eating asbestos shavings or whatever would teach people pretty quickly. Ancaps have worked out all the mechanisms for "b-but how would this work" questions, there is nothing that requires state force for it to be done.

Wrong, socialism is always detrimental. If you look in-depth about the effect things like welfare have actually had on our society, you would see that it's cancerous and one of the biggest destructive factors. People look at things like Universal Healthcare as a 'great success' of socialism. Actually, universal healthcare is pretty shit and many people have died in waiting lists, service is terrible etc. Same thing with public schooling. America does not have private healthcare. The 'pernicious effects' you talk about are due to cronyism, corporations using the state as leverage for their own advantage.

even with regulation, consumers buy what sellers offer and sellers offer what they can most profitably sell. do you get the ips you really want? is tv the best money can buy? are your vegetables and meat good, honest products at a reasonable price?
no, no and no they aren't. market economies don't produce what folks want. they produce what business can sell at maximum margin and a shortage of the rest.

yeah, what could be more profitable than making things the customers don't want?

oh wait

Socialism is a relatively new concept and has been on record to fail a lot more than capitalist countries nowadays. Also, socialism was invented by the French Revolution in 1789. And just look at all of socialism's failures since then. It is impractical and makes no sense. All socialism does is make people lazy and make people think it's ok to be entitled to things.

Fucking wrong. Socialism was first idealized in the french revolution, see above.
You do realize corporations aren't limited to so called 'capitalist' countries right? Socialist countries in effect support/facilitate corporations as they don't embrace the free market.

All businesses do is cater to demands. If there is a demand for carcinogenic foods laced with arsenic, they will fill it. If you care more about eating the cheapest food possible regardless of whether it's filled with dangerous hormones, that's what you will get. If you want wholesome quality food, then that's what you will get. There are always way that a consumer can make sure he is getting a good product if he has a desire to do so. Your argument is basically that people are too stupid not to be able to make choices about what they buy.

And yeah, TVs are cheap and good value. I know where to buy good organic food. If you see an example of something that people want and the desire isn't being filled, then guess what, start your own business! Become a venture capitalist. Because there are no oppressive regulations or arbitrary barriers to stop new businesses competing with established businesses, that use state regulations to their advantage to stifle competition.

You want to talk history?
Look at areas that implement 'redistribution of wealth', 'collectivized farming', 'disposing the bourgeoisie', 'setting up a classless utopia'… all you get is a 2 class society, one class enforces these high socialist ideals on the other in which a totalitarian state must be established so someone doesn't have TOO MUCH of something from another.
Tell me, how does a 'stateless' society ensure someone doesn't have too much than another? Is everyone supposed to ignore scarcity or how their time is spend to become robots or hivemind and produce everything that can sustain each individual? It's fucking retarded and capitalism caters to the whims of the individual than socialism that caters to the powerful.

consumers buy what is on offer. they have no other choice. that offer doesn't even nearly correspond to what they desire. stop denying the obvious. that doesn't advance us at all.
is your internet connection fast, secure and more or less free, or slow, expensive and spied upon? are your vegetables cheap, wholesome and available locally or must you drive 10 miles and line up with niggers to buy overpriced, industrially produced shite with cardboard flavoring?
face the facts. capitalism has failed as hard as socialism, if not harder. cut this 20th century squabble out and look for newness. a single novelty in this torrent of garbage that is contemporary politics could seize the world. it is ripe for change, yet here, in the crib of contra-culture the best we can do is argue like monkeys over a corpse.
suicide en masse? leave the world to ants? the chans are dead and your type carried the casket.

That's a broad generalization, and it's barely even worth responding to. All I'll say is that if you abolish the state, then another hierarchical power structure will inevitably arise. We live in a control society, and due to the growing population and extremely complex technologies that we have to grapple with, I don't think thats going to change any time soon.

Time to come back down to earth, user

If you look at the countries without it, the life-expectancies are much lower. I realize there are other factors to take into consideration, but if you look at single-payer countries, their cancer survival rates and life expectancies are either as good or better than the U.S.

You can focus on the anecdotal cases all you want, but when you look at the bigger picture, it doesn't look so bad.

I agree, that's why we need to outlaw lobbying and overturn Citizens United. You don't simply abolish government because there are things which need to be fixed.

But again, I choose to live in the real world, not a fantasy land of utopian ideologies.

if what they want isn't on offer, someone will bring it to offer because that's a great way to make a lot of money

Holla Forums is a racist board. Fuck off to cuck chan or Holla Forums you nigger loving kike

That's because both communist and capitalist countries were in middle of the fucking cold war you retard. Communists and capitalists were pointing nukes at each other so it would only make sense to team up rather go to war with each other. If the cold war didn't exist you'd bet your fucking ass communist regimes would have went to war over resources. Also you have a rather blind notion to say "wars happen because of capitalism lel". Which can be easily disproved by reading a fucking history book.

There will be hierarchical power structures, it's just that they will be voluntary.

Which is why I went out of my way to explicitly mention that the US doesn't have a free-market healthcare system. There are a few hospitals in America that operate on a free-market model, e.g. go in and simply pay a few thousand for a surgery. These are well-acclaimed.

Stop with the 'utopian' shit. You're the one who wants to change problems endemic to democracy from the inside, which will never happen, especially with women and shitskins voting. Ancap is the most moral and efficient way to run societies, and it is possible to achieve via agorism provided we just have enough people philosophically inclined.

The only reason that supposed "capitalism" fails is because it's a fucking mixed economy thanks to you braindead marxists. Or it's market socialism. Government intervention in an economy doesn't fucking work and is always fails, get that through your incredibly thick skull of yours.

That only depends on how the powerful individuals and corporations choose to use their power and influence. I believe we would essentially end up living in a plutocratic mess, where the laws and norms would essentially be enforced by the people who have the the most capital – we already live in a virtual plutocracy, but I think it would be much worse if you were to outright abolish the state.

Then stop arguing in favor of unrealistic hypotheticals.
This would be true, and I think modern civilization would mostly be leaning in favor of anarchism over government if it was more desirable and feasible.

Maybe someday we'll be noble and wise enough creatures to be able to cooperate with each other on this kind of efficient level, but I don't see that happening any time soon.

this is the spookiest thread

haha scary ghost man so funny xd

Communism works in small communities (~200 people). But that's it. Any community larger than that would begin to get highly specialized technicians, and at that point capitalism becomes part of the equation. That's one of the reasons why Amish don't have skilled doctors, dentists, etc.

Agreed. Very Spooky

Nazis lost the only war they ever fought.

spooks are spooks

All authoritarian/totalitarian ideologies are cancer whether it's the commies or the nazis. They're collectivists doing everything for the glory of the state which uses them like a pawn. They will make sure that you are forced to be part of their system and believe in their delusions of "wealth" and "duty". You will die in their wars without question never knowing the real reason the wars are happening because that is their will. Fuck the will of the collective, the only will that matters is that of the individual and it's not "justice" or "unity" that matter but you and those you can truly trust.

Lazy is a spook, shameful and foolish is he who serves the will of others or comply by their corrupt systems.

Nazism is socialism, so yeah I agree, socialism is pretty pathetic.

This. Also, you are quite ignorant of history if you think that most of those "liberation" armies weren't trained and controlled by the USSR.

that's what's called a nonsequitur.
nobody so much as mentioned the liberation armies and then you crawled out of the woodwork.
one word: comitern.
capitalism has had centuries, maybe millenia to get it's act together and here we are in a world of injustice, hunger and war, where resources are controlled by a few and the rest must work for 40 years or die on the street. fundamental human needs are on sale -water, shelter, security, food, healthcare- at prices half the world can't afford. is that success and if so, what were the goals exactly?

what would you do if 5 of you are cornered inna woods by armed niggers and one of you has a bag of grenades? share them out, or market them to the highest bidder?

LEFTYPOL BTFO EVERYDAY OF THE WEEK

Keep saying, hur dur!!! Stalin was great he was against exploitation of the workers!!! As he put them in gulags and forced famine upon them, you fucking nigger. Also just look at this:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Liberation_Army
In conclusion, the USSR was pure cancer.

Nope. I get all my information from ex-kgb agents and ex-soviets about the "glorious" soviet system.
If you seriously think it's ok not for people to work for the things the need/want, you are an oxymoron. It's no wonder socialism breeds laziness and ineptitude.
Here's what a capitalist does:
Here's what a socialist does:
Here's what a communist does:
Also, they think they are entitled to things (without working for them), which also breeds laziness.

yes

there's free swill on Holla Forums atm.
go maga with the others, porky.

Can confirm, my parents, lived in the Soviet Union their whole lives, communism fucking destroys countries. Russia was fucking awesome before Lenin fucked it over, now we're all like "we wuz kangz" and shit.

nah. my grandparents lived in the Russian Empire until 1917. it was kinda bad before the revolution and fucking awful after it.

You can kill yourself bruh.

why should I?

an anecdote isn't history, bro. all the less when it's vicariously reported two generations later via the lense of american education and on a phillipino pig breeding website. the issue being discussed, if i might concentrate your mind on the essential for an instant, is the failure of capitalism to realize it's goals. on communism a consensus already exists.

its

so you're a triggered lefty. gotcha.

The only thing wrong with capitalism is that it’s too successful. We are the only country in the world with fat "poor" people. America is so rich that the people have become lazy, spoiled, self entitled assholes. Exactly like you, user. Because of capitalism, a useless idiot like you has the money and free time to dick around on the internet, bashing capitalism. You are welcome.

Because Imperial Russia was a sparkly winter wonderland, but you were always a faggot.

yeah? well maybe I trust my grandparents a little more than I trust you. you've probably never even survived a pogrom.

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Commies fear the samurai

berniebro btfo

I could listen to Yuri's soothing voice all day long.

Life is suffering.

after hundreds of years trying to make the world spin smoothly on its axis

that's some painfull success you got there. i'll look for a better idea myself.

don't worry goy, it was completely natural and not at all suspicious

Stop lying using green text.

Don't "look". Put your money where your mouth is. Move to North Korea. You would love it there.

after hundreds of years trying to make the world spin smoothly on its axis

that's some painfull success you got there. i'll look for a better idea myself.
ftfy

Bezmenov's death was reported in 1993, but his death certificate has been described as "vague and suspect", with details unclear. This has led to suggestions that there was more to his death than met the eye, a faked death.

53 years old seems rather young for a natural death, especially considering that Yuri was very thin. I hope
& pray that his death was faked and that he entered some kind of protection program.

you may wish to wipe the egg from your face

Wew

Is that the best you've go you little bitch?

Follow this link for the truth!!

irishsavant.blogspot.co.uk/2015/03/the-incredible-disappearing-man.html

Follow this link for a banned film.

youtube.com/watch?v=oIuW-vNQsQI

Watch this YT film [yes it has subs ]you will not find a better film on the crazy commie mindset.You can read Juri Lina's book "under the sign of the scorpion" it has lots of in-depth info not shown in the film.You wont find a more informative film on the communist revolution.

jyrilina.com/

Trusting your own racist grandparents over a stranger on the internet that has been schooled by the best jew college professors that propaganda can buy. I seriously hope you don't do this.

youtube.com/watch?v=WcAPJ-kn8Vs
This is another link just in case the previous link is removed.

Another brill film depicting Solzhenitsyn when he was arrested and sent to the siberian gulag.remember that this was one day in his imprisonment under the commie's.
youtube.com/watch?v=YqG1uwhTX2o

itt: buttfucked poltards resort to meme spam diversion and samefagging when faced with difficult questions.

And what questions would that be, commie fuck?

Communism is literally the most moronic shit that has ever been thought up. Even fucking apes would think up something smarter.

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frankly pathetic. this is the work of a child prone to tantrums.

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such is the nature of the eternal Jew

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too bad that after the war Finland ended up being almost exclusively ruled by leftists to the point that it's a complete shithole now

Even then you have to allow for a free market or suppress it violently. Because people want things beyond bread lines and rationed water, and thus there will be trade.

Please provide a download link to the book in your picture.
Unless I'm blind and it's somewhere in the link you already posted that is.

urmomscunt.org

So is nationalism and capitalism, power to the people, fuck you bootlickers
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Damn is Holla Forums salty over this thread aren't they?

kindly take leftyshit and go debate someplace else.
You are both cancerous faggots and need to commit soduku.
t. Holla Forums

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