Can somebody explain the situation in Venezuela to me as to why this is not a failure of socialism?
Can somebody explain the situation in Venezuela to me as to why this is not a failure of socialism?
Ian Martinez
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Cooper Roberts
maybe because Venezuela is not socialist
Aiden Lopez
Venezuela's problems run very deep, and stem from an opportunistic leadership of gangsters with no actual ideology, but the best argument you can think of is muh shelves?
Learn to think for yourself, goddamn.
Elijah Howard
For a start, it's capitalist economy with a nationalized industry. Most of the issues in Venezuela have been going for decades, and have reached a critical point due to the decline in oil prices.
The overreliance on oil has been a thing for more years than most posters here have been alive.
Robert Peterson
Chavez never eliminated the bourgeoisie as a class in Venezuela.
Most of the problems with the economy can be found in neoliberal countries. Capitalism is global, the falling oil prices are more to blame than socialism.
Also Nationalization of some industries ≠workers control over the means of production. Venezuela under Chavez made great progress in lessening poverty and integrating the poor into politics but the Bolivar Revolution was closer to social democracy than socialism.
Justin Gray
Come on.
Owen Flores
If it was true, the Zapatistas wouldn't exist.
Julian Wood
they don;t
Charles Hernandez
We already have a Venezuela thread:
And some user from /politics/ laid out a sorta detailed explanation there
So mostly corruption, greedy people, and the role of oil
Easton Jones
venezuelas failure was to move along with parliamentarism for too long instead of focusing to arm workers organisations at all their working places and to punish economic terrorism with nationalisation and death penalty for the business owners
typical social democrats
Matthew Myers
What's next? The Earth is flat, and globe manufacturers are in bed with the government?
Gavin King
What's next? The Earth is flat, and globe manufacturers are in bed with the government?
Owen Phillips
This is what I mean by spam and shitting up.
Some of the greatest examples of socialism have been in none white countries. Rojava being a prime example.
Also
en.wikipedia.org
So you are looking at about 75% white European blood in Venezuela.
See, if your shitposting was accurate, I wouldn't want it to go, but its just factually incorrect all the time.
Isaiah Gutierrez
That's why stormies have their one drop rules. Unless they happen to have a nonwhite ancestor, of course.
Hunter Gomez
Even if Chavez and co. had never come to power, Venezuela would be having this problem. Building your entire economy on oil exports is a dangerous strategy, but it's not like they had much of a choice.
Someone post the graph of decreasing poverty under Chavez
Bentley Bennett
Centralism, corruption and oil dependance. I strongly feel it would happen no matter what system would they have.
Asher Mitchell
This
basically.
Cooper Rogers
the capitalist are trying to take down the government
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telesurtv.net
so the hide food toilet paper diapers and blame the government for shortages
Caleb Baker
kill yourself
Lucas Hughes
every couple months the government finds a warehouse full of toilet paper , cooking oil whatever
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Eli Ramirez
dirt bag
William Roberts
I wonder what would happen in the us if 15% of the population did everything they could to bring down a republican government and replace the government with a socialist government
Lincoln Russell
I think I know, there'd be troops in the streets, ppl would be rounded up.
because only capitalism is freedom>>665976
Parker Sanders
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Alexander Martinez
Caleb Edwards
hey look, they ran outta shit too
capitalism doesn't work either
Jack Garcia
So they practiced socialism and things went to shit? Who would have thought.
Juan Mitchell
Whether an economic policy is socialist is not retroactively determined by how successful it was, which is pretty much what every ideological anti-socialist thinks. It was literally just the government selling oil overseas and buying citizens stuff with the profits. That's not moving past capitalism, it's a regression from it.
Charles Gomez
dontcha know anything the gubernment does is socialism?
Ayden Cox
That depends on your definition of poverty.
Why do you give a shit about how Diosdado and company can't go on a vacation to Miami?
Hudson Jones
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Leo Nelson
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Nolan Johnson
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Ethan Richardson
socialism isn't some magical system that never fails
Oliver Cooper
It's like the Venezuelan government itself is porky.