Politics Thread

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Why do you think it's called nationalsocialism? Not every socialism is marxism, that's just the predominant branch of it. The nazis had a very collectivist ideology, and their economic policies were only formally based on privatization. In reality, they fixed prices, expanded credits, set production quotas and so on, like the socialists that they were.

You know that Ganowicz killed nazis as a child and only went after the commies when he ran out of fascists? I like the guy. Since when does Holla Forums support a free market, since when does it give monarchy preference over democracy, and since when does it talk of anything resembling a natural order?

One big word is pompous for you? Oh my.

Anarchocapitalism is the ideal I have in mind. I do not consider myself a revolutionaire, though. It's a personal philosophy as much as a political one, and the ideal state is just that: An ideal. If we get closer to it without ever reaching it, then that's still a win. For example, we might not get rid of the state completely, but reducing it to a coalition of city states that generally respect private property would be a great step forward.

Ah I gotcha. I thought you meant anarcho capitalism/mutualism/etc. But you should probably remember to stay open minded/use critical thinking often. Getting rid of the state/minimizing it may get rid of problems you want gone but you maybe just creating new ones/even bigger ones and could be very dangerous against a state government who has a great military might. My theory is, if an anarcho capitalist society were ever attacked, there wouldn't be an organized effort to stop the attack. Sure, it could happen eventually, but by the time it happens your enemy would likely be entrenched deep in your territory.

lol. read this >>>/pdf/538

Not him but:
Ok faggot.

Thanks for the warning. That's why I try to be varied in my reading, I read monarchists, classical liberals, libertarians, socialists and so on. Never reading anything that you're sure you'll disagree with is one of the worst things you can do.

To that, I can say that attacks don't happen out of nowhere. The proponents of democratic peace at least got that right, even if their theory is otherwise meh. If you give a state no reason to attack you, then it probably won't (hopefully). If you have mutual trade with it, that's even better.

I'm also convinced that an anarchocapitalist society could defend itself from invaders. Whether it would win or not depends on a lot of factors, though. Anarchocapitalism has the advantage of being most conductive to economic and technological progress, which also helps the military. States have the advantage of being able to bleed their population dry for the sake of faring war.

Downloaded it, put it in my to-read-folder. Along with a good hundred other documents, but I'll get to it. But you're aware my argument ran deeper than "it's called socialism", right?

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lol wut?

who owned the means of productions? pics related
read this too: nber.org/chapters/c9476.pdf

yep, you're still wrong. give the book a read.

So why does Holla Forums still exist again?
They themselves admit true stateless communism is impossible and that socialism cannot exist in a pure form and is purely ideological unless it's applies to another economic system that can be either right-wing or left-wing
So what left is there for the left?

Ok nigger fuck off back to Holla Forums where you belong you fucking idiot. Also, nice job using the equivocation fallacy you half wit (pic related). Also, hitler owned the means of production, which is ownership by the political class. It's real socialism you fucking nigger. You can also have private property in socialism you dumbass.

Not him, but wouldn't what you are describing be specifically known as Party Socialism?

Yeah? And? It's still socialism. Socialism isn't your own fixed version of your own socialist system you're advocating kiddo.

>read this too: nber.org/chapters/c9476.pdf
It's fucking socialism kiddo.

ford, GM, IBM, were producers in nazi germany

wrong. private ownership was a thing in nazi germany, you fucking idiot. nazi germany even had foreign corporation producing for them, fucktard. they repressed labor unions. get your facts straight you goddamn mook

As expected from leftypol

Government regulation on everything in a society is fucking socialism. I suppose you shut your damn mouth next time you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

More use of the equivocation fallacy… good job. You can have fucking private ownership in socialism you fucking retard. be you:
Fuck yourself sideways and go back to your hugbox >>>Holla Forums
Wrong again:
Corporatism =/= capitalism you dumbfuck. You can have corporatism in socialism you dumbass.

>>>/liberty/44060
Commies btfo.

that's wrong though

Die by a bullet you stupid commie fuck.

True but using that to support any argument is foolish as their views ranged vastly.

Personally I'm a fan of all vital infrastructure being state owned while everything else operates on a limited free market where imported goods are taxed to make local production more viable in developed nations.

It's not just government regulation, they actually fucking owned everything.

Yeah so the fuck what? What are you saying that America was fucking helping them produce fucking tanks and military equipment??? That's just completely flat out wrong nigger.

Only when you use the "wisdom of the ancients" as an argument, instead of their specific views and arguments.

sounds like an 80s cartoon hero

this is Holla Forums, i'm here to chill, but you're utterly fucking retarded. 1) what do you think of King Edward VII? 2) the integration preached by the nazis demands a sovereign with absolute authority. the nazi state did have close ties with any number of large german and foreign enterprises. the 'socialism' part just functioned as branding. socialism was popular amongst workers in the early 20th century, so if you want to lure them to your budding political movement, why not just put the word in your name? Who cares if you don't have anything in common with the other incarnations of that ideology? There was in fact a significant left-wing contingent in the early nazi party, lured by this branding and by anti-kikery, but openly opposed to the führerprinzip and socialist in the more traditional sense (known as Strasserism), yet its leadership was eliminated in the night of the long knives lol. Their masses of followers were simply assimilated, willingly or not, into the conservative, Hitlerite party ideology. nazism, however, remained 'socialist' in that vague american sense that means any overlap between government and business, or rather any such overlapping of which one doesn't approve. by that standard, amerikkka has been–and is– a socialist country from the 30s. take your heresy out of here you fucking retard. if you think nazi germany was socialist, or that natsoc is actually socialist, you are sadly mistaken and uninformed. back to the drawing board with you, faggot.

that's fucking wrong. that is 100% wrong.

Have you read this thread? The nazis fixed prices, wages and interest rates, set production quotas and gave direct orders to businesses. They didn't do that in a few sectors, like the US does, but across the entire industry. Even anecdotal evidence should give you the hint that the nazis were more socialist than the US. Can you name an example of free enterprise in Nazi Germany? I'm having my problems with that.

HOLY FICKING SHIT YOU GOT TRIPS!

society goes against the natural state of man so why argue over political ideology or form of government
none of them are absolute or even sustainable

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If that were so, we'd all want to be crazy isolationists. Humans are social animals, it's in our nature to interact with each other. You don't have to be a filthy collectivist to acknowledge that.

Back to your containment board >>>Holla Forums and please keep denying reality you fucking cuck.

humans are social animals. like other apes, we tend to live in groups with an organized hierarchy, shared taboos and an interest in each others well being.

what do you not get about 'nazi germany is not a capitalist', nor was it socialist. it was a mix. they kicked and confiscated untermech properties, and they cracked down on actual socialists (notlk) and labor unions.

it's funny because the two of you (or just you) know nazi germany's economy was flourishing, and you should know that socialism is a failed economic model. so right off the bat, you're both fucking retarded. i already highlighted in how the leftist elements in nsdap were shoah'd and the economy was a mix of capitalism and fascism (some socialist aspects but were against untermech). you're both retards. adios, niggers. not a socialist/communist btw, so fuck off you kikes.

Actually, I don't. What I do know is that they engaged in the same keynesian-schemes that make the economy look like it's flourishing, and then invariably lead to a more or less complete breakdown. Except that the nazis conveniently ran the country into the ground militarily before the bust could follow the boom.

It's called "Untermensch", du scheiß Mongo.

well all I want to say is you don't need to live surrounded by hundreds of thousands people to have basic social interaction, and that it's not how people lived for most of recorded history

you are retarded. even the jewest of yids know nazi germany's economy blossomed after hitler kicked rothschilds out of germany, and when austria was annexed, and hitler kicked rothschilds out, the same happened. you're either bait or stupid.
hitler didn't declare war. jews boycotted him before the war. gosh, you're so fucking dumb. i'm out.

Yeah? And Stalin did the exact same thing with the Great Purge. He killed his own kind too. Something socialist systems (like yours) keeps repeating in history.

Okay, if you mean that, then I'm not sure how far I agree, mostly because I haven't thought a lot about this topic myself. So far, it seems to me that urbanization is generally harmful, and the kinds of opportunistic relationships people lead nowadays definitely are.

Stay buttagonized.

Why are you faggots arguing over Germany being capitalist or socialist? It was a fucking third position ideology in power, its not going to adhere to either economic model you faggots.

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not an argument

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cliché#Thought-terminating_clich.C3.A9

you're going in the oven.

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As far as I can tell it's always Nazi fanboys wanting to deny / ignore the fact that Germany's amazing war production was in large part due to nationalization / socialization of heavy industry.

Honestly, if you want to worship a right wing ideology that's badass, worship the Roman Republic for fucks sake you closeted commie fuck.

This.

if you want a capitalist kike-enabling system you're not worse than any commie and you will be hanged with the rest of your ilk, you fucking triator. also your pic related lol (my pic related).

Then commies don't exist, because they kill each other all the time. How mysterious!

Funny how hitler made the same deals with the jews (while kicking them out of Germany) which then resulted in the creation of Israel. That's quite fucking laughable tbh.
Yes they are actually and you haven't disproved it yet.
Israel.

how said he's perfect? he's not a socialist though. the nazi economy is capitalist-fascist economy.

pinochet was alright, but he was a kike puppet. so fuck him.

Again, why not worship the Roman Empire? Jews got their asses kicked royally out of it which resulted in the destruction of Jerusalem and a temple.

You think we could recreate an empire like that today?

If you aren't a retard and actually read Oswald Spengler's Prussianism And Socialism, then you would think "Marxist Socialism" isn't the same as the Prussian/German Socialism which Hitler based NatSoc on.
ironmarch.org/index.php?/topic/6794-fascist-economics-and-socialism-of-duty/
Hitler was the most anti-communist leader you ever heard of, you ridiculous lolbergtarian sodomite.
Spartans were much better than the Romans, Sparta was very militarized society.
"Sparta became socialist and totalitarian — understood in its original sense of a civilization organized and disciplined by a gifted elite, formed with its best sons, and based on value-blood-spiritual-biological criteria. Such socialism is something that only could have taken place in the Iron Age, as it tried to bring together what was broken, and was more like an aristocracy than a democracy. Spengler described this type of militarist-imperialist-patriarchal system in his Prussianism and Socialism, noting how this system resurfaces again and again in history, incarnating in the larger towns and leading to empires. (Spengler distinguishes four superior socialisms: the Roman Empire, the Spanish Empire, the British Empire and Prussia, which resulted in the Second Reich. We would add two more socialisms: Sparta and the Third Reich.)"

Your post just gave me cancer, also I'm not even an ancap you dumbshit.

here's an OC I made. hope you like it.

this and i don't worship hitler or any thing other than God. i agree with hitler on a lot of things. i think the natsoc economic model is superior, that's it.

ebin meme plebbitor :^)
Doesn't matter what ever you TRSodomites are, you are all lolbergtarian cancer.

For starters, this isn't Holla Forums bucko. Second off taxation =/= socialism. And third off nice job pointing me to a unconfirmed/uncited blog post. May I suggest you go back to reddit you stupid nigger.

T A X A T I O N I S T H E F T

And money is just a way for humans to move resources around without having to trade another actual resource that has an equal or greater value. Until we get to the point where the people all over the world actually release all of the resources they are holding back into economic circulation, taxation is necessary. A moral obligation and a legal obligation are not the same thing.

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For starters, this isn't /liberty/ neither Holla Forums, Plus the most popular board is Holla Forums, faggot.
That's more like a post explaining what is fascist ecomonics and socialism, you fucking faggot
May I suggest you go back to cuckchan you stupid nigger.

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they're not starving because someone else is rich, unless that rich person literally prevented them from obtaining food

Let's start at a beginning. Does a human being have rights?

what did Jimmy mean by this?

And I browse neither of them because you all embrace censorship. Honestly, you're just like the fucking feminists:
Holla Forums:
Just fuck my shit up fam and get the hell out. America was fucking good before you bleeding heart socialists ruined it.
Damage control/incoherent rambling.
How about you? Both leftypol and you faggot pol niggers love censorship. So why not go back there you dumb fucking nigger?

he wants to gas the kikes and starts an ironic 14/88 lulz race war

depends what you mean by 'have'

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In this case assume it's the same form of "have" as "I have a human brain." Something you are born with that can't be separated from you until death.

The entirety of white nationalism is based on a combined inferiority complex due to the cultural trend of glorifying minorities in the western world along with an innate fear that once the numbers tip a certain way those minorities will treat people of european heritage as they treated them in the past.

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Right, god forbid you don't want to be a minority in Europe of all places

*as the europeans have treated them in the past.

Also to add on (this one is honest samefagging) this does not mean that through the ages other various peoples have not had other imperial systems which have done equitable damage to other human beings, it is simply the most recent imperial system to lay claim to a large amount of earth's resources.

obviously not

lol
Read pic related
And yet you're calling me a nigger, How ironic.
Also America was created by Freemasons, which means it was always was pozzed from start, you freemasonic shill
You filthy cuckold. White countries may wind up flooded with shitskins, but hey, you'll always have the constitution, right faggot?
They ban Holla Forums memes there, why don't you go back to it?

I am a literal palestinian. Fuck Israel, fuck the Zionist movement, jews are okay, can be just as bad as anybody from any other religion. Zionism is roman catholic imperialism come full circle.

Analyze your post and realize your statement is a perfect example of a logical fallacy.

Jokes on you, I don't even want other Euros in my country

Lefty/pol/'s getting smart (never thought I'd say that), they know how to write shitposts that read exactly like the posts they call legitimate on Holla Forums.

itt: pics related with a side-order of retardation
2nd biggest ib and all that effluent. it's time to swerve this hemorroid of a site before it gets all as gay as Jim.

Oh okay nationalist, got it. Hey I respect it, but nationalism has been fucking grounded by race theory since the Nazis. It makes me sad, it's like seeing a fly not realize that the window is cracked and if it just flew around it could be truly free.

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FUCK YOU ALL

What is your ideology user?

Never said you were exactly the same you fucking nigger and second off I'm a fucking Republican not a braindead socialist or moderate. I find it quite fucking hilarious that there are unironic niggers on Holla Forums who love Hitler and Neetsoc.
Maybe I need to knock some fucking freedom in you, you dicktator loving homosexual.
Fuck off you stupid censorship loving nigger. Be you:
Kill yourself you dumb nigger.

dubious.
that's why you lost your land.
Der Judenstaat. do a search on that. churchill, stalin were jews. roosevelt was driven to the war by jewish wall street. you are a good shabbos goy and that's why your land is stolen by kikes, your dignity is under the mat, your people are viewed as terrorists. you are a traitor to your own people.

Republicucks freed niggers and were cucked, they also went to war with the CSA
I don't browse Holla Forums, keep being butthurt Republicuck lolbergtarian
Freedom™ What Freedom™ you niggerloving homosexual? America has NSA and all of these spying agencies you Republicuck.
The Confederates were better than ""USA""
Fuck off you stupid censorship loving nigger. Be you:
Bet you never heard of 4chon, Newcuck.
Actually I came from 4chon
I don't advocate censorship, keep spouting strawman, faggot.
Keep being butthurt lmoa you dumb nigger

Also
CSA >>>>> """"""USA"""""" lmoa

Oh man that's some loaded bait. First off you assume that somebody who has jewish blood is committed towards zionism or the benefit of their race. Do you think all people of all races function in this way? I understand the racial statistics about so-and-so being part jewish, but that's the exact same argument the BLM people use when speaking about American politics. "Old white men run this country," and such.

Our land was taken because Jerusalem, and being it's protector, was a huge status symbol amongst empires throughout history.

The dubiousness of my claim of being palestinian really can't be solved without me showing you the UN paperwork that states that my family are refugees from the israeli-palestinian "conflict." That'd give away way too much personal info.

I mean I have a flag over my bed, a few holy christian relics my family brought with them when we moved (we're historically christian).

As for the "terrorist" thing, it's just the latest buzzword for the west's propaganda machine. What's kind of funny is that the way Holla Forums talks is almost exactly like the way wahabi and salafi fuckers talk, those are the two sects of islam that tend towards militarism. They're based mostly on conservative arab traditions that we were starting to grow out of until the cold war set in.

So there, I took your b8 m8, 10/10.

Nuff said.

To be honest I'm wary of the current ideological discussion going on here. I guess I'm kind of center-left in that I do believe that wealth inequality has only worsened over the past two decades and that has contributed towards a negative economic decline in America.

A lot of the discussion on here draws way too much from outdated political theories. I believe with the advent of the internet we have a chance to create some kind of new political theory which can function in a world as fast paced as ours. Communism and capitalism both fail when you take into account how quickly information can travel.

So honestly I can't claim a system. I can claim social and scientific beliefs. I do believe in the concept of democracy although to me it seems America is more oligarchal than democratic, but that has to do with how important capital is in our political system.

he says while parroting socialist talking points from 100 years ago

Have you read Dugin's fourth political theory?

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Pick one
You never readed link below, don't you faggot?
media.8ch.net/file_store/f6b2eff53b38fbb78ca3f567dc700c013ff686740f14fc7bf0745b6d3f87032c.pdf
Gun Control in Germany 1928-1945
Hitler's vegetarianism was mostly due to health issues.
And what are these "dissenters"?
Hitler lost, and we've been getting progressively more and more steamrolled up the ass by the "stronger and more dominant" force of Liberalism/Modernism/Marxism ever since.

By your own logic, you should embrace being a "transgenderqueer panromanticsexual castrato skunk fursona fairy otherkin" with Dr. Who headmates. They're running the show right now and have been for the past half century, give or take, and are thus the "strongest."

I said I'm left leaning. It's right there in the post, in front of your eyes. I don't claim socialism because, for the same reason I don't claim anything else, I don't pretend to understand the economic theories like the faggots on both sides of the Holla Forums and Holla Forums feud going on right now.

Holla Forums started with memes and ended up adopting theory, Holla Forums started with theory and tries to meme it up. Both sound like twenty year old middle-class kids on summer break from community college who believe their world view is true and all others are misinformed or uninformed.

starting with theory is not a good thing when said theory is fucking retarded

No but if it was written before the advent of the internet it cannot contain the elements needed to create the next genuine political evolution. I really can't go into details on it now but I believe that the internet has made too many separate portions of various political identities obsolete.

The political discussion on Holla Forums sounds like people trying to teach each other how to connect to wi-fi using a rotary telephone, some of the core messages are understandable arguing points but the framework is just outdated.

What you state is a personal belief and not an argument.

Holla Forums and Holla Forums should just quit, this is the ancient spirit of Holla Forums from circa 2007. I've been around for years and this is the closest I've seen to how it used to be just after the stormfront raids.

I see no point in providing any arguments against the left, when literally hundreds have been provided ever since Marx shat out his first work

It was published in 09

Then you should stand up, walk away from your computer, and join a revolutionary movement dedicated to your adopted theory. Otherwise you are just shitposting on an anime imageboard just like the left on here.

would that be the same Dugin who's in favor of the Russian invasion of Ukraine because he hopes it will lead to a world war?

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yes

Trap's been sprung, we got em boys. Party van en route, enjoy your trip to the Trump Inc. Worker's Camps for the Expansion of the Wall.

too bad I'm not under US jurisdiction

How's life in the balkans?

That would be /n/, fag.

/n/ is Jim's personal shitting grounds. How many of his stupid goldwater articles are posted there? Not close to old Holla Forums in any way, shape, or form.

Keeping telling yourself that faggot.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives
Die in a hole faggot.
Nice conspiracy theory nigger.

Lolbergtarianism is "WHAT IF THE CHILD CONSCENTS THO": the ideology, and it has been BTFO by Common Filth.
It's true you faggot.
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives
en.metapedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives
National Socialism may have lost in WW2 but in the end it will win.
You can kill the men but you can not kill the idea you faggot.
Get ready to die in the Day of the Rope faggot.
"conspiracy theory" is a term invented by the CIA you nigger.

all jews will be killed and you will go with them. you are a traitor to your people, you fucking sand nigger kike. when shtf, who do you think will support israel? what specif race will rise up to defend their religious "homeland"? israelies support the killing of babies of your own country, you unpatriotic son of a bitch. 85% of those kikes supported the 2011 bombing. they are leeches who found their way to control the media, and you're their puppet. they have their hand waaay up your ass, you don't notice it any more. and here's me, thinking all palestinians and arabs are awake to the jews and their effect on every sovereign entity, but the past couple of days and you proved me wrong. no wonder people want you towelheads gassed. you're probably a degenerate faggot too.

I am contributing to the downfall of your race. I am half white and half palestinian. My dad shot his greasy arab load in my blonde haired, blue eyed mother's cunt. He probably shouted "Ya allah!" while he did it, since allah just means God and is not a seperate god from that of judeo-christianity. Your race will be relegated to a less than fifty percent representation in our national census. Your children will be relegated to trailer parks and run down farms in the rust belt. I bet all of your streets are cracked and filled with potholes. Lazy whites need money to hire people with actual work ethic and complain now that they need money instead of just beating on them like the savages they pretend they're not.

See, I can be edgy too. White nationalists aren't as scary as you seem to think. The thing is by going down that route you immediately turn away the moderate, the one you need to convince to join your side to gain the numbers needed to effect actual real world change.

Instead of a glorious revolution you will end up posting this same shit in a different combination of words over and over again on imageboards. Do you feel the power slipping through your fingers? Meme magic is dangerous, but most of all it is fickle. The tide is turning.

He means 4chan /n/, the news board from the good ol days

It was against us from the start, every battle we fight is uphill. It makes the victories more glorious and our defeats less stinging.

WHO /juche/ here

Bump.