Calarts is the cancer destroying western animation

Calarts is the cancer destroying western animation

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Agreed

This meme is the cancer destroying imageboards

Cartoons nowadays suck

How exactly?
you mean like loads of people from that university are making cartoons?

Cartoons have always looked like shit, nowadays they just look like the same shit.

Depends on.

Many Art Universities including CalArt lowered the skill entry to participate and separate class learning. Early days you need to learn realistic drawing for animation. Now realistic drawing is optional.

This explain how the creators of Adventure Time, Gravity Falls and Regular Show where accepted into the CalArt institute and came out with no improving.

US TV animation seems like it's always looked poor. Outsourcing started as early as the 60s and ramped up until virtually everything went offshore. The animation philosophy is wasteful, outdated and rudimentary. There's not much infrastructure as far as I know. Money is funneled into the wrong places in excessive quantities with nothing to show for it. Networks have too much power and have an enduring vision of animation as episodic children's entertainment or as episodic adult comedy, but then again so do most consumers. If you're blaming it all on CalArts, then the industry is in really dire straits that a single art school can ruin it, or you're just pinning everything on a convinient bogeyman.

Large scale commercial animation production isn't even normal though, and aside from the US only Japan and France do it (and South Korea as a contractor for others). Developing an animation industry to the level of Japan's requires basically creating a Hollywood for animation, and only a couple of countries have anything like Hollywood even for live action. A lot of quality infrastructure is needed, and a lot of demand is needed to fuel that infrastructure. People also need to believe in the industry, which isn't what happened with US TV animation.

this reminds me,

anyone have that thing from RWBY that shows how easy it is to start your own cartoon?

do you mean the thing that showed that they stole models from other shit? IE: code theft, art theft, and copyright violation that sold in retail stores across the US?

Now I'm really interested in seeing this. Because I knew they ripped their character models from Custom Girl 3D, I didn't know that other assets were stolen though.

Other than the RWBY development in progress, this thread is cancer…

I don't know moonrunes so you'll have to get someone else to translate what it's saying.

Incredible, thanks based user.

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This asshole's ideas of finished drawings literally just look like crappy doodles in the notebook of a 14-year-old boy.

eh at least he's good with water colors but those facial expressions look awkward except the third pic.

No he's not, you fucking dumbass. This is the level of watercolors that a 5-year-old can manage.
Pic related is someone who's 'good at water colors.' 2nd pic related is someone doing cartoons that still has leagues better skills with watercolors than him.

I stand corrected. He sucks. For the second pic you said it was someone who is doing cartoons who is it?

I just meant cartoons as in they're doing a stylized painting rather than a whole landscape, to put it into perspective.
Regardless, I can't believe a fuck like Benton Connor can get into the industry. He's got no talent whatsoever, and even after so many years of working hasn't even been able to pick up pointers. The anatomy is terrible, the faces are awkward, the perspective is shit, and he can't even bother with decent backgrounds.

well if Cartoon Network is going down the shitter (mostly I think gumball might still be good) then do you think Disney has higher standards?

Probably because they're spoilt brats who'll work for peanuts with daddy picking up the bills.

Hard to say; Disney has like, one animated show going at any time, and has pretty much given up on 2D animated movies after Princess and the Frog didn't set the world on fire while Tangled and Frozen made mountains of money.

They did actually like Gravity Falls (the crazy release schedule was apparently intended to maximise ratings and seemed to have worked) and wanted a third season.

I've seen the mickey mouse shorts and they seem to be pretty good.

The older ones create shows, then hire the younger ones fresh out of art school. They've outright taken over Cartoon Network, Calarts grads basically control all creative output there now.

Funny you think that, since Gumball is the only major show of theirs not created by a Calarts grad.

That's because they were made by cartoon network veterans.

So litterally a take over by a clique!?

American TV animation threw in the towel all the way back in the 80s and left everything to Japanese and Korean studios (now just the latter), so it's no wonder if things are a little fucked up today.

Hey, anybody remember when Klasky Cuspo was one of the top dogs of animation?

I dunno what the fuck ur talking about but Gumball is still the best cartoon out there, which doesn't try too hard, doesn't shove that "muh tolerance/ acceptance" shit in my face harder than MLP, doesn't include butt ugly characters named after diamonds and some fat piece of shit as a main character, involved conflict I was able to relate to back then in school instead of some first world problem shit and getting cockblocked by my lesbian friends on purpose…

I think I lost my track of thought.

Bottom line: Fuck Steven Universe.

Only thing that can break the cycle is intervention by ownership if things go financially south, which may happen with the steady decline of their cable and satellite TV.

They're going to connect the dots with why HBO has kept up while their other channels are declining and hopefully move enough of their broadcasting to the internet, where they get to compete with amateurs who have written and animated better than they have on even less of a budget.

And what does HHBO do to be an example to follow?

Oh hi there Takashi0

I really don't care for this art style, so what if it's easy and "artz is hard!!!1!!1!" This overly simplified style is inexcusable and should not be encouraged, it's lazy and the only reason you defend it is because it's being used mostly for kid's shows and not for more primetime or adult cartoons

Figuratively and literally who?

Because it's a shining example within the company of an entity that has kept up with the internet quite well for the fact that it's a Hollywood institution.

I think they're going to try the same thing with Cartoon Network with disastrous results. They're not smart enough to understand that with all their money and advertising, none of their shows shape up to even some amateur work on YouTube, and YouTube's a free-of-charge website. They've let this competition fester without addressing it for about ten years now and are going to feel it, big time.

You're right about the first pic, but that second one is easily just as shit as Connor's work.

Some brony on Tumblr who defends the calarts style to hell and back because they think that being against the style stifles creativity or some BS that it doesn't really do

It's more like I'm sick of this forced contrarian meme

No one has given a good reason why these vaguely similar artstyles are much worse than how every cartoon used to look like Dexter's Lab

What if some people actually LIKE this drawings?!

Ehh, thing is cartoons are fucking expensive to make. All the good YouTube stuff is one 5 minute video for a reason. You pretty much need a major studio setup and knowledge base just to get started. CN still has those things, even if they are neglecting them.

They should build a huge sky scrapper and name it "one world FUCK centre"

You can like it if you want, it's a free country, but just because some people like it doesn't mean that nobody is allowed to DISLIKE it.

This image?

Youtube is cancer. People steal shit all the time on there. The most popular stuff on there is shit like basically any Let's Play and stuff like TFS's DBZ Abridged, where people blatantly violate copyright, monetize their videos to the tune of thousands, if not millions of dollars, and then cry 'MUH FAIR USE!!'
Copyright is cancerous at times (mainly when it takes down free fanmade shit) but it exists to protect against shit like this. Youtube needs to die.

Are you seriously saying that ANY LPs or Abridged parodies SHOULD BE BANNED. I mean, unless you run Disney, that comes off as a very insane view of how copyright laws should work. Nevermind that many times these things BENEFIT the copyright holder. Hell, I've been turned on to old games, or even decided to pick up newer stuff, based on some LPs.

The free fanmade stuff you mention is a FAR bigger concern to copyright holders because it many times creates a product that can be seen as competing with the original. Fans making a RE2 remake? That's a videogame, like when Capcom gets around to making their own remake. Somebody playing DOOM does not compete with the actual videogame DOOM, people want to PLAY the game if it looks cool. Look into the stink over Star Trek fanfilms going on right now if you want to see what excessive copyright holder control does to a fandom that kept a franchise alive for DECADES, for free.

Oh hello Robert E Iger, CEO of Walt Disney Company, I did not know you post on Holla Forums.

Its like copyright is complete and utter bullshit.

I used to follow his tumblr a while ago. Kind of sad he does that now but not surprised really. Tumblr tends to attract all sorts of awful drama and people. The one exception to this I think is Plebcomics.

Probably the sanest people on tumblr are the furries. That should tell you a lot.

really? I thought the porn blogs were the sane ones. But yeah Tumblr is a pit of despair.

Fair enough, though most of the furries are basically porn blogs.

There's pro-tier self-published animation in Japan. The main thing that's needed is skill.

The reason you never see decent-length indie animation is because you need a large corporation's money and a large corporation's lawyers to get artists to stop stabbing each other in the back long enough to actually finish a project beyond what one man can do.
You have to basically enslave them, make them dependent on you, and put their balls in a vice to get cunt-rag artists to meet a deadline or finish anything, or work together.
Paying them isn't enough, look at Image. You have to be able to burn their houses and flay their loved ones, standard Disney contract.

So why don't indie games have that problem?

WEW

There are a lot of good indie games, but that's hardly the point here. I was asking why the same problem doesn't occur with indie games.

WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEW

So I take it that you can't explain why the same problem doesn't exist in indie games, which is why you're trying so hard to avoid the subject.

Your question is a loaded one, you're making the baseless assumption that there's good indie games, and you're asking why they don't suffer the same problems as indie cartoons. They suffer exactly the same problems, because indie games are invariably shit.

You could have just said "I don't know" or "I don't know enough about that subject," and that would have been that. But instead you're going on this hyper-autismal sperg crusade to change the subject.

Who the fuck are you arguing with? I'm the one who made that post, this just some autistic shitlord who comes here to argue.
My answer is that I don't know enough about the game dev scene to judge, but I suspect the good indie games are short on content, because it still takes a big team to make big games unless you want to be fighting the same palette-swaps the whole game.
Code monkeys are a little more disciplined in my experience, anyway.
It is my philosophy that you do need artists, musicians, writers and actors for a big production, not just the programmers wearing a different hat, but you gotta get the bastards under contract or they won't show up. Creatives are scum, they'll fuck you in the ass if you don't put a ring through their nose and fucking tie them to the plough.

Because games developing and the core audience hasn't changed a lot in those 40 Years and many things still works with old programming languages and many gamers has still their core gameplay demands.

Animation has changed a lot in those 40 years with the introduction of the computer animation and a spoiled audience. Old experieced animators barely can't handle with computers and there are less demands from the core audience because of the image the market is giving them, most of the modern audience(or executives) still see cartoons are for children.

They kind of do. All the best indies are either by actual companies, if small ones, or by individual hyper-autists with some help from others.

If they make money off of someone else's work without their permission, they should be removed.
Let's Plays and Abridged parodies who don't make money off their work are fine. Otherwise? It's cancer.

I don't understand faggots that argue otherwise but will bitch at Rooster Teeth for stealing MMD shit for a show. It's the same damn thing.

Especially in concern of something like TFS. They admit they're for-profit, Toei hates them and keeps trying to remove their videos, they do less of parodies and now just redub entire episodes with more swearing, and they spawn fans who admit to never even thinking to read/watch the original series.

If you argue against me you are cancer as well. Copyright has its place in the world. It needs to be cut down to size, but if you're making money off something someone else does without credit, permission, or giving them their fair share, you're a thief and a cunt. Muh 'FREE ADVERTISING' doesn't mean shit.

Almost no game developers/publishers are against LPs and streaming. The Comiket events held twice a year in Japan have 35,000 people and groups selling stuff mostly based on copyrighted works.

If the copyright owners are ok with something you don't need to go and start white knighting them.

I should also add, allowing this to happen breeds cancer itself. It allows otherwise untalented and stupid people to make money. Do you think Pewdiepie would be making millions a year just screaming about barrels if he didn't have those games? At the very least, if he's going to make that much money, he should be handing a portion of it over to the devs that made that experience possible.

Stuff like this has caused cancerous people to breed and get into a spotlight that they don't deserve, while the copyright laws themselves still fuck over actually talented people. If you make a game entirely from scratch for an existing IP, as long as you're not for-profit (or give a portion of your profit to the copyright holders, if you have their permission to monetize), you should be safe from take-down notices. But it's not the same as some faggot making thousands of dollars for just voicing over something by going 'HURR DURR I'M GETTING RAPED LOL'

And yet faggots always boo-hoo and act like it's unfair when developers actually do get upset over it. If they're alright with it, that's alright, but there need to be harsher laws for this in particular where these fucks have to get permission and are forced to shell out something like 15%-30% of the profit to the original creators.

If PDP plays a game it'll get so much exposure that he is effectively giving the developers money.

That "muh free advertising" shit is fucking retarded and you know it. It gives exposure, but ultimately he's still making money off someone else's work without their permission. There's no excusing that. Just a simple 'hey, I'd like to play your game, you'll receive __% of the profit' is all that's needed to level the playing field. Chances are he's still making more money off those videos than the dev is getting from the exposure, anyway.

I'm pretty sure the developers of the games he features have no trouble excusing the piles of money they make. But please go ahead and white knight them anyway.

If you want to make money off someone else's work without so much as giving a cut of the profits to them, you're a jew.

I can see we're going to get a REAL intelligent conversation out of you. I mean, it's like having your opening statement be "my opponent is wrong, and that is a FACT." I can't wait to see how weak this non-argument goes.

And yet it's the truth. I've yet to see a real argument against me other than 'THEY SHOULD BE HAPPY THEY'RE GETTING ANYTHING!'

The copyright owners themselves allow PDP or whoever to do what he does. In fact they try to get popular YouTube channels to feature their games. Likewise, copyright owners Japan allow doujin works to be sold. Why are you white knighting these people?

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Why do you have to bring up people who don't mind this to make your argument seem relevant?
LP'ers and people like you still whine and bitch when companies like Nintendo or devs like Phil Fish (even if he's a douche) DON'T like Let's Plays.
What's your fucking point? There's also people that like getting pissed on. Does that mean that we should tell someone who doesn't like it to just deal with it?

That's a lie. You simply dismiss every argument against it and say "Muh ____" and call people goyims because you don't have a real argument. I read the rest, and if you're already getting into HURR DURR territory.

All I see is a person who is jealous that guys like PewDiePie are making money. But it is a FACT that guys like PewDiePie also get people buying or playing the games they play (some of which, you fail to point out, are FREE games, small indie games, or from DEAD publishers). Many smaller games on Steam thrive when a big LPer tries their game, and the more exposure a AAA game gets, the more it's in the public eye, even if they don't watch the videos.

You never addressed the point about Star Trek. The fandom kept that entire franchise alive. Not the copyright holders. The fandom. That exists, that makes money, at the whim of the fans.

Who gives a fuck what Phil Fish wants? Nintendo's stupid copyright opinions often put them at odds with their fans, fans they are hoping to win back. You haven't proven that any of the things you've labeled as "cancer" are BAD for the copyright holder. The most you have are the retarded opinions of Fish and some of the stupider things Nintendo has done lately?

Because those are the people we're talking about and you are trying to white knight even though they neither need nor want your "help."

"Save me, Anonymous! A YouTuber just played my game and now sales are shooting up! Noooo!"

Nintendo may have the right to regulate LPs, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea for them to do so. Companies in the anime industry regularly shoot themselves in the foot by scrubbing YouTube of anime OP and ED videos, and just because they're allowed to do that doesn't mean they aren't doing themselves and their fans harm.

Your point can be turned into 'muh ___' because it's that simple and shit. I mean, shit, look at what your other point was.

Nigger, I'm not even saying LPs are bad. The monetization of LPs are bad. If you can't make money any other way, you're untalented and don't deserve the money you have.
Then again, I don't know if I should be preaching this shit to some place like 8ch. How many of you are NEETs who mooch off their relatives to sit on their ass all day and play vidya?

The market/capitalism decides how much money you deserve. Popular YouTube channels draw a lot of eyeballs so advertisers and sponsors pay them money for that. They don't care what you think.

Fucker, I just about spit out my Kool-Aid!

Wow, what a dismissive little bitch! Is this what post-summer weekends are going to be like from now on? Kids who never even took a debate class?

If you have to resort to dismissive personal insults (which you basically started with) then you have no compelling argument. He's right to call you a White Knight, because the entire concept of a White Knight is that they don't even THINK about what they're defending, they just defend it blindly.

If you have no one besides Nintendo (who has been fucking up royally for the past year) and Phil Fish (who is just an unstable asshole), then no, you aren't really defending that many people. Especially in a world where it is PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE that games journalism is corrupt as fuck, a lot of people would rather see others just play a game before they buy it. See someone play DOOM? Oh, look, it's not shit like Doom 3, I guess I'll buy it!

LPers buy the games they play, and abridged shows are probably a lot more interesting to people who watched the originals. Both take some degree of time, effort and skill to do, even to a basic degree. If people want that, and it earns money for Youtube and other sites that host them, they are MAKING PEOPLE MONEY, so why should they not be compensated? You can be as jealous as you want for not having the talent or making the effort to make money the same way they do, but that doesn't change a damn thing.

it's more because jewtube's still making a profit off it. it's a huge liability for them & they're going to eventually get their asses sued if they don't have it hard to put copyrighted materials up

if you wanna argue the "if I'm not making money, then I don't see why I can't put it up" then pay the money to host it on your own damned webspace

and as for "Abridged parodies", these are more or less using the exact same plot as the original, using art resources from the original, and often using music from the original. you want to parody something? don't be a fucking lazy ass mexican and actually make your own animation and music

Who cares if somebody finds an easy way to make lots of money? If someone stumbles upon a 5 dollar bill while walking down the street, do you want the police to confiscate that money because they got it too easily? Why bitch and moan because a couple people managed to get lucky? Unless you're stealing the money or screwing somebody over to get it, it doesn't matter how hard you worked for it. So long as the people giving you the money know what they're paying for, it's fine.

LP's may be cancerous, but they don't take anything away from the companies that made them, even if they're monetized.

I think it's because absurd people like this exist.

how can this be their full time job? does it really make that much money. I'd rather have a job that has some job security in this economy.

Boobs. That's the reason.

Bingo. Gurl-gamer streamers are just whores who don't put out.

But… so what? Are we condemning sex workers now?

The LPs who rely on tits are just getting money that is being offered to them, while their tits last. Which is not forever. Let them work it while they can, if they can compete in a very flooded market.

This conversation on YT LPers is funny to me because, as far as I know, Youtube has always been bleeding money. Between hardline DMCA policies (3 strikes bullshit), alterations to monetary algorithms, and Youtube Red, Google seems pretty adamant in seeing some return at a time when everybody's making money off of their site except them.

It also reminds me of the concept of "retail arbitrage". There are people who buy something from one place (Amazon, for example), sell it somewhere else at a marked up price (eBay), and pocket the difference. People actually do this and make money from it (because most people are pretty absent-minded when it comes to simple things like price comparing), and there are even sites that sell software to copy product descriptions from websites and lessons/seminars on how to venture into eventually selling your own products. It's particularly a thorn in the side of entrepreneurs/inventors that sink a lot of money and time into their products, only to learn that some fuck is acting as a wannabe middleman making money of their hard work.

Hmm, sounds familiar…

Hard to say, because everybody is trying to do it in some form. The only people who seem to be doing well from it are people who happened to get in on the ground floor as the trend starts.

I don't care that this is easy money, I care that these are adults trying to make it. what kind of functioning adult are you that you want to make your living playing your precious shitty shooter? are you at least going to entertain me by making jokes? no? gonna play like a 4 year old and tell some stories? greeeeat

it's thanks to Let's Players that I hate video games. they are the mascots of gamers, in all their mouthbreathing glory, and I hate them

I hope one day that these idiots finally run out of doritos and their diabetes finally does them all in