If abortion is murder then why is men masturbating not murder?
If masturbating is okay because it's your bodily fluid and therefore part of you, why a fetus not considered a woman's cells and therefore part of her?
At what point does the fetus become its own person? When its heart beats? What makes the definition of a person valid?
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When the sperm get into the egg.
Both are murder, but murdering something small makes it not matter at all
Why? I'm not trying to troll I'm genuinely asking. What makes that definition matter?
What size does something have to be to make a murder matter?
abortion isn't murder, because murder is a legal term that specifically excludes abortion
abortion does kill an innocent human
the same cannot be said about masturbation because sperm are not humans
Go there. Ask them.
If an embryo is considered a mom's cells and therefore a part of her, then the fully grown child would still be a part of the mother and thus still an option to abort, even at age 4.
But that is infanticide.
I would say it becomes a person once its tissues start to specialise into different types of tissue.
sperm isn't human, it doesn't have paired chromosomes
with your logic, women having their period is murder
I'm not the guy that you replied to, but at that moment, where the sperm cell and egg cell join to make a single cell, that is a human because it has a unique set of human dna. The sperm had half, the egg had half, the new unicellular zygote has the full set
Next time embed the vid
You seem to have forgotten you need chromosomes from both parents to form an actual fetus
Who are you responding to?
It's only murder if it was white. Others aren't human so it can't be murder
op, obviously
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I never applied my logic to anything. I'm just asking questions about questions. Women having their period cannot be murder obviously because it is an inevitable natural occurrence that (with minor exception) cannot be avoided.
my question to you is if you can kill what bears your chromosomes, is it murder if the mother AND father consent to an abortion since it is both of their chromosomes? We're talking strictly in the womb, and I assume we agree that after birth it is a human being
I know, but when women masturbate they aren't cumming eggs.
Kek.
In truth abortion clinics are the most efficient crime fighters in America because of how many abortions black women get
This.
Tissue specialization seems like a good differentiation point.
I avoid the word murder when I discuss abortion because it's just a legal term. Same goes for the word person.
Abortion does kill a human.
Abortion does not murder a person.
I'm applying your logic to things though, you shit
In glorious [current_year] periods can be easily avoided with birth control, so why shouldn't it be considered murder if you consider masturbation to be murder?
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Is it a cake before it comes out of the oven, or is it just batter?
That's what I'm asking you guys
obviously it is semi-cake. The length of time determines how mature the cake is.
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I've got no problem with abortion, but your argument for it is weak as shit
I'm not arguing anything right now. I'm asking question that pop into my head. I wanna see what you guys think about these questions. At no point did I give my opinion on the matter
So if after mixing the ingredients together I decide I want red velvet instead of chocolate, and I throw the batter away, I'm not really throwing the cake away, am I?
Yes you are. You threw the components that made that specific cake away and replaced it with a different one. Thus wasting a potential cake.
= me
I'm going to bed now. G'night guys.
Never. Murder is a social construct.
But it's possible that the batter would have never risen in the oven or turned out as down syndrome pudding.
Sure, it might taste like cake, and it might get little air bubbles when I stab my fork into, but it's only batter.
Wait here's a more important question: If fetuses aren't living, then raping one would't be a crime right, as it would be the same thing as raping a watermelon?
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You are the best type of correct, user, technically correct
Her body her choice
ATTENTION PRO-LIFERS: You'll never win the battle by talking it out. A baby killer is not going to just up and quit being a baby killer. They'll do all sorts of mental gymnastics to justify it and paint us the villains for valuing life. What we need to start doing is mass murdering these scumbags. If you're caught doing it, just say it was a late term abortion, the victim isn't even alive and they have no right to tell you what to do with your body. Obviously, you'll still go to jail but at least you'll be making a point. If you can't kill a person out of the womb, why can you kill one in the womb? If you wouldn't call a person out of the womb your property, why one in your womb? It's absolutely disgusting.
Nah, in a couple years when Trump appoints some pro life Justices we can ban abortion peacefully and no one has to go get pounded in the ass in prison.
1. Murder is a concept
2. Anyone who can see beyond the tip of their own nose should be able to realize that the nature of life is predicated on suffering, and that it's not an intrinsically positive thing to preserve and perpetuate it.
3. Outlawing abortion would incontrovertibly increase suffering in the world (whether it's the ontological suffering that we all experience, or the fact that you'd have children being born to parents who don't want them and can't afford them)
4. There are millions of children in the world who need adopted, and the last thing we need to do is start filling up orphanages in the U.S. – and guess which race would be filling them…
Is it taking a life? Yep. If you perceive it as murder, then I am 100% in favor of an individual's right to make that choice.
Olive branch: I fucking loathe feminists who are actually proud of it.
What dimension do you live in where people don't riot when you take away their "rights"? If we ban abortion, we save more babies but many people will die in the resulting chaos and people will still perform abortions illegally. Even once the storm settles, there's a chance it can be legalized again. No, we have to remove the very thought that murdering your own child is okay, and you do that by removing the supporters from existence.
Abortion and murder in general is a lot of things.
Essentially, you are God.
Playing around with the concept of what a "person" is is a dumb way of determining what the most functional method of handling the situation is. No human lives objectively matter; "ethics" should be a game of balancing people's sensibilities and emotional reactions to moral dilemmas with what objectively increases the total pleasure and decreases the total pain of all participants in a group or society (i.e killing off the least happy people would increase the pleasure and happiness of people in society but it goes against my sensibilities and emotional reactions because I don't want to die and I don't want people I like to die in the process)
People should adapt their sensibilities about killing fetuses. The reason we don't want to die is because we've experienced things and we want to continue experience things. Fetuses haven't experienced anything, they're not losing anything and they don't want to live or die. It's intuitive that legally allowing or forcing the killing of humans that have already been born and can be interacted with would have a dysfunctional impact on the morality and well-being of other people that have been born; i believe the death of humans we know and have seen has an overwhelming and powerfully negative impact on our psychologies such that it poses a threat to the total pleasure of society as a whole; i believe that no such an impact necessarily exists with respect to the killing of fetuses. The fetus doesn't care and isn't losing any experience, we can adapt our sensibilities without much of an impact on our overall morality and quality of life, and it's a far more functional system in stopping the long-reaching consequences of unwanted life being born
fuck babies kill them all they're annoying
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That the mother and father consent together is irrelevant. It's a separate entity. By that logic, they'd also be allowed to agree on killing it post-birth, and an identical twin would be allowed to decide to kill its twin at any time in their mutual lives. Clones, when we come to that, would be entitled to off the original. Possessing the same chromosomes is no kind of standard.
Seriously though, who cares? What has some fetus ever done for me, that I should go out of my way to keep it alive when its own mother doesn't want it anymore? It's like cuckoldry on a societal level.
For some weird reason, the same people who think we should machinegun refugees in our coastal waters give a shit about comparable criminal peons when they're too young to pay taxes and will suck up government benefits like lead-contaminated formula, forever tainting them with violent and animal tendencies.
(fwiw, I'm also totally fine with infanticide as long as it's done tastefully and responsibly, because a baby is literally no different from a fetus for like, 6 months.)
abortion is for poor people and shallow douches, so its ok
wanking is bad because god is omnipresent and jesus is always watching
always watching
AN idea:
have the mothers decide.
Once they have had an abortion, they get to see the decimated fetus and pedo's get to legally cum into the bucket it is being kept in while she is forced to watch.
Then she can decide if it's life was precious or not.
If your ,other decided on abortion you would not be here to make that point
Unfortunately, people whose parents were in a stable marriage and intended to conceive don't really find this argument compelling.
I'm sorry, by the way. It's not something you'd be expected to know.
user, ask yourself: are you your mother?
Have you ever been your mother?
You have always been part father and part mother, therefore your life began when those two components merged - conception as a fetus.
I guess your mother must have stuck a vacuum up her uterus when she was expecting you because you clearly have brain damage
Sperm cannot become a person without an egg. Eggs cannot become a person without sperm. It's this simple.
Sperm by their nature are meant to die out. Every time you ejaculate millions are released. Even if you are having sex purely for procreation, there's no guarantee a pregnancy will occur, and if it does 99.99% of those sperm cells will still die.
Thus, life begins at conception, because neither sperm nor egg can simply grow into a human on their own.
You fucking idiot.
It's easy to establish that the life of every human began with conception. The issue is getting people to swallow that conception is the thing that confers "humanity".
You are an oxygen killer, and we ask you to please end your killing spree.
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Maybe someone already pointed this out, but if male masturbation is murder, so is both male and female protections. Including but not limited to pills and condoms.
It's not murder.
if abortion is murdering children, is forcing couples into birthing and caring bout retarded children a murder of parents?
how bout every time u voice your support for gay marriage u should be forced to watch gay pedo rape?
I like you user.
Can't we just put on our fedoras and agree that it does not matter what is "murder", because under some circumstances, murder is perfectly fine?
Killing worthless members of society that can't produce as much as they consume should be acceptable, as long as there is no alternative - like putting them into labor camps.
Killing a fetus or an infant wastes very little resources, so it should be perfectly fine with everybody.
no. Killing in some cases is fine. Murder isnt.
Period is already dead user and tell any woman that they are bleeding on purpose and post what happens please.
Hitler agrees.
Stop welfare for whores, problem solved.
They are the same thing, mate. I know you've been fed leftist propaganda from birth, telling you that if your glorious nation orders a man killed, it's fine, but if a citizen decides to kill somebody, it's evil, but in the end, they are both exactly the same.
The answer to OP is that you should do neither
See the difference?
your bible says "thou shall not murder" in the original - u r the 1 who ate rightist propaganda.
Killing in self-defense isnt murder. Defending country from aggressors on your earth isnt murder.
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What a rude accusation. I wear a fedora, my friend, promote atheism and masturbate to anima.
I am enlightened beyond your view of morality.
Killing in self defense means you value your own life over the life of another. It's an egoistic choice.
Killing for personal gain means you value your own well being over the life of another. It's an egoistic choice.
Killing in a war that you started means you value your nation's well being over the lives of others.
Killing in the defense of your nation means the same thing.
You can argue that in each case there is a different "exchange rate" for a human life, but they are just different points on the same line. There is no hard distinction.
killing in self defense is self-preservation instinct, while attacking isnt.
killing in the defense of a nation is the same thing
I find it helpful at times like these to remind myself that our true enemy is Instinct.
Instinct was our mother when we were an infant species.
Instinct coddled us and kept us safe in those hardscrabble years when we hardened our sticks and cooked our first meals above a meager fire
and started at the shadows that leapt upon the cavern's walls.
But inseparable from Instinct is its dark twin, Superstition.
Instinct is inextricably bound to unreasoning impulses, and today we clearly see its true nature. Instinct has just become aware of its irrelevance, and like a cornered beast, it will not go down without a bloody fight.
Instinct would inflict a fatal injury on our species.
Instinct creates its own oppressors, and bids us rise up against them.
Instinct tells us that the unknown is a threat, rather than an opportunity.
Instinct slyly and covertly compels us away from change and progress.
Instinct, therefore, must be expunged.
when he is self sufficient and pays taxes