Structurally sound fortified house

It wouldn't hurt to add that information to the Holla Forums thread.

It's what I plan to do. Build a nuclear fallout bunker that's all decked out, and house my nuclear family in it.

sorry 'bout that mate. I live in a temperate climate in North America. It is currently winter, with snow on the ground.

I'm trying to give the appearance of not being a freak. Personally, I appreciate architecture, but love the idea of creating someting solid that would take constant wacking to get rid of, if at all. This is why I'm interested in reinforced structures.

I'll make a new threadmaybebut first i want Holla Forums's advice

In that case, you build a small one story, and put your bunker under it.

In my case, I'm going to be living on a self sustaining property in the next few years, simply because it's healthier that way, so it doesn't really matter.

Plus I think it's stupid to sacrifice your safety so you don't look like a freak.

which is why I'm finding advice on building a reinforced house.

Also, I got this idea from Europe. Most of their infrastructure is underground because, well, if you're trying to protect something from everything, put it under ground.

Russia put most of their infrastructure underground to protect against us, in the event that we started dropping bombs.

The problem is that above ground infrastructure is an American thing, and it's a HUGE weakness if we were ever to get invaded (which is practically impossible.) It's basic strategy.

but what about earthquakes? :^)

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You're not wrong though.

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The best way to protect from earthquakes is to build away from major fault lines. I've lived all over, and there are definitely places that don't get earthquakes.

I really enjoyed that video.

i cropped out that scene just for you :^)

wait wut?

So many dubs in this thread

In my design, the only major above ground infrastructure would be solar panels, while I'm considering a thorium nuclear reactor to power most of it, as thorium can be converted into a stable form of uranium before using said uranium as its fuel. Basically fuels itself with its own biproduct.

Crops, cattle, and most other things would be kept above ground until we had to close up shop, at which time they would be moved to underground, artificial "nature chambers" to simulate natural conditions, grow grass for grazing, etc.

It's an ambitious project, but I'm not building it tomorrow.

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Nah. He's not ready for something like that.

Yeah, its actually a christmas movie kek
Family used to watch it every Christmas, pretty good tbh. MST3K does a good comedy commentary over it if you can find the episode.

Have you taken a look into Hydrogen Fuel Cells OP?
Power yer shit with water by splitting water molecules into hydrogen and oxygen.

It'll probably be cheaper than any nuclear proposals that you have in mind.

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that was a very well-cropped webm, thank you

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to re-elaborate: the energy required to split the water molecules is less than the energy produced by using the hydrogen as fuel. I think the splitter is called an electrolyzer.. correct me if I'm wrong.

Not OP, but I actually haven't looked in to that. I did look in to geothermal energy, though. That seems extremely plausible underground, plus I would theoretically be pretty warm down there too. So long as you make your outer casing out of obsidian you can protect against lava too.

53 grade steel reinforced concrete, and make sure you have a roof that isn't a traditional roof. Any fucknut can breach a home through a traditional wood & asphalt shingle roof. And don't forget steel doors and steel window shutters. Also, I'd place the windows a little higher than usual so they can't be accessed from the ground, and I'd make most of the windows and doors as narrow as possible and make sure you have a secret emergency exit preferably through an underground tunnel.

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I was going to suggest steel reinforced concrete, I just don't get into particulars in shit I don't understand.
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Metal roofing would be best for this imo. If you want you can make it look like traditional roofing if you have the cash.

t.user who took architecture and green technology classes in high school.

If you go that route, you also get the cool pitter patter sounds on your roof when it rains. Very soothing for sleep.

Sounds like white noise, in case you were wondering.

will probably get stolen

By tweakers

Might be worth looking into Earthships, they base their philosophy on 100% self-sufficiency and low cost. Geothermal heating, solar panels, greywater recycling systems, etc.

A lot of them are ugly as sin, but that's really up to you, you could make it look like a hobbit house if you really wanted I suppose.

or gypsies

I'd go with a post modern type design.

good luck ever reselling or getting a line of credit on such a monstrosity

If you're going to do that, you might as well just build a bunker.
Hell, even Osama hid underground.
Proved a shitskin is smarter than your average American

Either of these could be breached by a 12 year old. Too many windows, and Earth is easily displaced.

oh what a marvel! They're going to be so cheap!

Osama hid underground and he got shoah'd
Hitler hid in a comfy mountain home in argentina or switzerland and died of old age surrounded by his friends and family

Think like a Viet Cong gook. Dig tunnels to nests you can shoot from, add hidden entrances to the tunnels in different places in your home, then look at pic related. Also, if you make it so the enemy can't get in, you need to have stores of food and water so they don't just camp you till you starve.

Shipping containers are decent too, and you can get creative with design.

actually hitler kys'd

t. MI6

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you're forgetting that OP lives in North America, we don't have that problem kek. Worst case he could electrify the roof or rain gutters. i'm joking about that last part, but now i wonder

Well he's into a post-modern designs

But either way, there are still options for aesthetics.

If you're trying to be energy efficient, I'm going to have to say no. Zero insulation, and with the amount of insulation you would have to add to make it energy efficient, it would just become a tiny narrow space. Maybe not though I'm not sure about this.

bad fucking idea, they're full of nasty paint/chemicals

Huh? Ya know, you CAN buy new containers, user.

This is a good thread. Archived for reference. If you're still going to make a Holla Forums thread, i recommend sharing the archive. archive.is/0yvnI

Yes. My first choice is concrete for sure. You can pour concrete into essentially any form and the high grade shit is like granite.

Here you go.

They can be welded together and opened up inside.

That wouldn't be as bad, like

kek

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Shipping containers are unreasonably expensive when compared to other materials.

well again, being in the midwest, basements (cellars?) are a common thing in houses, so it's not like one cannot have solid groundwork. Furthermore, it seems necessary to have a well-connected and expansive basement but with a house on top that looks normal, albeit with reinforced walls (and outside pillars). This, in my opinion, is more viable if, for example, a russian apv decides to ramp into your house (hopefully getting stopped by one or more of the reinforced pillars.)

thanks, but I was thinking about brickwork that is reinforced with steel rods or something, and then glazed over with a sort of mortar.

Thanks, someone else is also on my thought pattern. there are steel roofs used in houses in Dagestan and Ingushetia, vid related. As you can tell, the owner didn't use steel reinforced anything, and he was clobbered. by the way, the person who owned the house is a terrorist, I am not, I'm just interested in architecture and after watching the ivid, couldn't help but wonder how the fellow could've built a sturdier house. :)

I don't mind those hobbit-houses, but that's not really the direction I'm going with this. thank-you though!

the thing about pic-related, is that it's retarded af, how the hell are you supposed to disguise yourself from anyone, when someone could easily put garbage in your chimney from above ground?

thanks user, and to everyone who participated! I appreciate your efforts and ideas!

oh shit, i forgot to reply, here it is, lol
Yes, concrete is good, but what about thick brickwork reinforced with concrete mortar and a type of steel rods? surely that's reinforced? Not to mention the reinforced roof (by the way, this is a single-story house I'm thinking of, would be much easier to fortify and less prone to rpg or mortar attacks).

I recommend looking into what they're incorporating in their infrastructure if you're aiming to be self-sufficient to any extent. Greywater systems are pretty cool for instance, lightly filtering used sink or shower water so you don't use drinking-tier water for toilet flushing. Things like rainwater harvesters and geothermal heating overall are things which you could possibly incorporate into your house. Good luck anyway OP

That would take a lot more manpower to build than concrete, I would think. Brick is good, but it's brick + mortar, so it can be breached with a little chiseling pretty easily. A foot of high grade concrete reinforced with steel rebar is pretty hard to get through. I mean, it's what they build bank vaults out of.

You could bump a brick wall with a truck or bash a hole in it with a sledge hammer. You can't do either to reinforced concrete.

As for rpg, that would breach a brick wall a lot easier than reinforced concrete.

Another approach would be to build a regular house on top of a kick ass bunker style basement.

This tbh

If you want brick for the aesthetic though, you could always have a brick facade on top of the concrete walls.

space age, nyuukkaaaa

gl survivng the apocalypse in anything else

Hmm, you know, I guess I could have a Islamo-persian sort of motif to the building that would work with the concrete, it would look out of place where I live though, but that's a good idea for the practical use of it. Is concrete that's reinforced with steel rebar the best possible material to make it out of then?

Sure, you could face the outside with brick, stone, or whatever. It's just that brickwork and stone is costly to do.

If you're looking for something impervious to outside breach attempts and for a relatively low cost, steel reinforced concrete is the shit. They make bank vaults out of it, skyscrapers, bridges, and highways.

And yeah, you can impress all kinds of shapes and textures into it also.

Shipping containers as housing is a stupid fad started by stupid hipsters.
1. Unless you buy the container new you don't know what it was used to store. Could be weird chemicals, could be rubber duckies.
2. They are designed to hold up well for a limited period of time and then go completely to shit. Look up videos on youtube of people inspecting shipping containers for purchase and you will see how badly they can rust apart after a certain age.
3. Repairing them can be more difficult in some circumstances than more traditional building materials.
4. Flat roofs is a bad idea unless you want to live in a desert.

Has OP stated where or what kind of environment he wants to build house in? Certain environments lend themselves to different building types and offer different possibilities.

Most post modern designs use flat roofs. A flat roof means less surface area compared to a peaked roof and if you're shooting for a structure that's bulletproof, a traditional wood and shingle, or even ceramic or tin, is pretty weak.

Flat roof:
1. Greater potential for water leaks, require more regular maintenance. A properly designed angled roof can last much longer with less maintenance. (properly designed does not include plywood with asphalt shingles, that's just cheap inexpensive design)
2. If it is in an area with a lot of snow there is always the risk of roof collapses, increasing with increased roof size.

Having a flat roof will decrease building profile but in a long term situation where resources are limited it is more important to have as low maintenance requirements as possible and reduce potential for critical failures.

Let gravity be your friend, no your enemy.

I'm not a fan of peaked roofs but certainly you could make that style with concrete. You can do anything with concrete.

How about domes?

I kind of like the idea of a dome but then you're kind of limited with respect to structure shape since they're round. Would also weigh more than the entire house.

Find a way to melt rock and then pour the rock into a desired shape and build with it. Asymmetric > Bricks > One piece. Make sure the rocks are heavy enough that they don't require mortar. There you go, you now made a building that can withstand earthquakes for thousands of years.

I bet you also think that the North Vietnamese fired on the US navy in the gulf of tonkin incident and the Iraqis had WMD's.

Would require insane amounts of energy to melt rock at the volume you'd need for a house not to mention what the hell do you make the forms out of and how would you handle it?

Induction heating. Getting electricity and inducing your own electricity isn't hard. Doing it in a vacuum also makes it easier.
Use rock that doesn't melt when in touch with the molten rock.

You're talking about igneous rock which not only takes a lot of heat but also pressure to make any kind of strong rock. Lots of heat, lots of pressure and keep air or other gasses away from it as much as possible. Yeah, no dude, its way harder than you give it credit for. It would be easier to find a massive rock and just carve it into the shape you want.

Fortification can take the form of natural barriers. Maybe build a home in a cliff side or other hard to get to location. Would definitely increase costs. Maybe have a form of easy access during construction that you destroy after construction complete.

What are you, gay?

OP could also find pre-existing structures and both fortify them and make them suitable for living in. They don't necessarily have to be houses, but any structure that could be some how alter to fit OP's purposes. A structure that is inconspicuous and doesn't look like a hideout could help by adding some concealment.

If my completely nonsexual post turned you on, that's your deal. I don't want any part of what's going on in your head.

Granite is 3,000 degrees to melt, 600 degrees in water-tier pressure. You could then pour it, constantly have pressure placed on it by a machine, and let it cool naturally.

Granite is simply a form of igneous rock with quartz and feldspar in it. It comes in many forms.

If you don't apply a lot of heat and pressure you are not going to get a very strong rock. The heat and pressure you would need would be excessively cost prohibitive. Especially for anything the size of a house.

Seriously, just do some basic research. You will find in a few minutes that not only am I correct, but your idea of melting rock is both challenging and would not result in a good building material.

Yeah it would, you're just gay.

Why are you so determined to die on this hill? You are wrong, but it doesn't matter. This is an anonymous image board where no one gives a shit. I don't give a shit that you are making rediculous claims of me being gay.

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Here's some concrete porn for you.

Just melt it and make a better structure out of it. Make a really, really big rock.

What is it with you and melting shit and making rocks? It doesn't work that way! The laws of thermodynamics and basic material science don't allow for that! Stop being an obsessive autist!

Are you implying that I can't melt a building into a rock?

Chemistry! Physics! the whole mass of knowledge we have about how matter and energy work in this universe don't allow for just melting anything under any conditions to make anything you want! What is your problem?

It all depends on what the building is made out of, and the heat, pressure and other conditions you apply. But the whole idea is insane.

Everything current modern scientists know about the universe is deeply flawed, thinking deeply but not clearly madness. It's both possible and both reasonable to literally make anything you want with the correct tools and the correct mindset. You can create "atoms" the size of cars, in the shape of a cube, with the weight of a pencil, that is also the color red. Atoms are after all a magneto-dielectric dynamo driven by enormous nucleal rotary spin and charges, and the "atom" itself it just a dielectric "knot".

I'm fucking with you you autist.

Why not just build a big ass moat around a steel castle?

Limited by what science, technology and resources we have available.
No, you can't under any normal conditions we would find in the universe.
That's a big assertion for a field of physics that still has multiply competing theories under which I have not once come across a description like that.

Because modern technology has access to big boom boom things that will fuck you up.

GO AWAY!

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I'll go now.

I just wanted to talk about interesting building options within the pre-defined scope set by OP, but this thread has just filled me with rage and now I'm tired.

Last one looks nice.

steiner goetheanum

HNNNNNNG

"Hacker's Hideout 2024"

Good luck trying to come up with the money for that.

Yeah, not gonna happen for $500K.

For that kind of dough, I'd create a fortified room within the house (or just the basement) instead of trying to build a fully secure home that might fall short.

THIS to me, is pretty bad-ass, but I doubt it could be made for $500K.

Going remote might be more effective than trying to go fortress mode.

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fucking Jews, man.

how did they manage to melt the rock like that? checkmate, atheists

In case of a civil war, which house will be looted first?
What do you think?
The one which looks like a golden palace or the one which looks like a crack house?

Exactly.

Living near water, I'd imagine a flood would cause problems for you. It's better to live above ground up a hill.

lol, it's an Airstream trailer buried 12 ft. underground. It's a dumb idea for all kinds of reasons, but it wouldn't cost nearly as much as 500k. Yen maybe. Not U.S. dollars.

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Well there's /arch/ but it's been dead for half a year.

Digging underground sounds like a good idea.
For the love of Armok, don't dig too deep.

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Is it semen-proof?
Does it come in many colours?
Is it safe for the kiddies?

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