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That didn't stop them from fucking the muslims in much hotter climate.

Are the people of Middle Earth albino niggers?

It was the frequent rain that did it, user, not the temperature. Also sandniggers are retarded. Even more retarded than the backwoods Slavs The Mongols also conquered for five minutes.

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I meant relative to their time period. The parts of Europe the Mongols conquered were to Western Europe, at the time, what South America is to North America today. Not to mention the Russians had a lot of help fighting France and Germany. On their own they weren't even capable of beating the Japanese.

If the Khan hadn't died Western Europe would have gotten their fair share of Finnish enrichment too. It's a stroke of luck that the Mongols didn't initiate their invasion of Western Europe.

I'm not debating how successful they would have been because there's enough arguments to make on both sides of the debate, but I'm pretty sure they would have made some inroads and put the West under severe pressure.

You would have been better off mentioning the Finnish. Neither side did really achieve all that much during the Russo-Japanese war, which was basically WW1 Western Front in miniature.

By 1942, once the Russians get their shit together and Stalin stops fucking with the military you can see them not only learning from the Germans, but implementing their "Blitzkrieg" doctrine on a much grander scale. People tend to admire (with reason) what the Germans achieved in WW2, but few appreciate what the Russians did as well.

Compared to Numenorians and Elves, yes. Though the westerners did adapt for medieval shock cavalry after becoming too manlets to fight on foot like in the days of old when they were mainly seafarers.

That still doesn't explain how they managed to go through 2000+ years without any sort of technological progress. You'd actually have to deliberately try, on a cultural level, not to engage in scientific research for that to happen, and you'd still get developments through simple trial and error.

What are you basing on this? It's clear things developed. The surrounding peoples go from literal tribal niggers to feudal kingdoms during the Third Age. The Numenorians just couldn't keep their level because of their small numbers and having their homeland sunken by vengeful gods and descended towards the literal tribal niggers they had conquered that outnumbered them.

I'm talking about the period between the first Ring War and when LotR takes place. There has been no actual technological progress. By that point they should have been able to nuke Mordor into submission, yet they're still using the same swords and the same chainmail they did centuries prior.

It takes a wizard angel to figure out gunpowder, and even then he uses it as an explosive and not a propellant.

You really are retarded.

It's bound to advance because it is simple human nature to understand cause and effect, yet Middle Earth is perpetually locked in the early medieval period. They haven't even advanced metallurgy far enough to create plate armor.

Explain africa then. Even with movement of tribes and conflict as catalysts for advancements, when the british came the african millitary response was lots of niggers with no shoes and sharp sticks.

Niggers aren't human though, while the people of ME clearly are.

Technological advancement doesn't exist in a vacuum. If the economic factors aren't there, no advancement happens. Depopulated continent full of hostile creatures isn't going to follow the scientific progress that happened in Europe. You seem to think people just made science and advanced in a neat curve like in some video game. The Numenorians were colonizing what ammounts to pre-Roman northern Europe, without any support. Of course they aren't going to jump into nukes just because a few millenia passed.

Was it really the death of the Khan that stopped their invasion? I thought they had already started to pull back before they could have possibly learned of his death.

Early medieval Europe was a ravaged shithole and technological advancements still happened. People, especially craftsmen, will always tinker and experiment.

Conflict galvanizes progress. The more fighting there is the more weapons are tested and their flaws exposed.

There's a difference between using such a strawman and having millennia pass by without any sort of significant advancement taking place, let alone a change in military tactics and doctrine.

On what are you basing this statement upon? Any civilization that can build something like Gondor and engage in wars of conquest against Easterlings, orcs and the like must advance. This isn't me bullshitting, it's a simple statement of fact. You don't even need to invent new shit, even a century is a long period of time that can bring significant change to how men fight, yet ME has none of that, it's like the place is stuck in place and nothing ever changes.

Tolkien, autistic as he might be, fucked up in that regard in a major way.

IIRC what Europeans had fought was merely the Mongol "reconnaissance force", not the main army, that was gearing up to march. Then Kublai dies without naming a successor, the empress regent takes over in the interim, but she has no authority to order initiation of military operations and all the various claimants of the throne and their supporters have to go back to the capital to vote on who the next Khan will be, putting a complete stop to any military operations.

When they get back one of the possible successors takes his sweet ass time to go back because he knows he'll be killed if he does while the rest are at a standstill because they cannot achieve a significant enough majority to get their candidate to become the new Khan.

Didn't some of that come about as a result of the crusades? Where they brought knowledge and wealth back?

Those regions that the crusades went into had been linked to europe from roman times, why would the crusades be related to development when the link was older ?

There was no supernatural evil overlord trying to lay waste on everything in Europe. And Middle-earth wasn't early medieval at the start of the Third Age, it was barely out of stone age outside Numenorian colonies.

Numenorians and the people they fought against adopted new ways of fighting that fit their changing situation. Have you read the book?

You are arguing out of ignorance. Just because there was swords at some point, doesn't mean there must be nukes at some other point after arbitary time period. Egyptians weren't flying to space even though their civilization lasted thousands of years.

Yes there was, he was named Attila.

Gondor is a Numenorian colony, why the fuck did it not advance further?

Yup. First time Sauron was defeated and second time around people are still running around in chainmail. Even niggers would have made some sort of progress by that point, and that's not even taking into account dwarfs and elves or hobbits or, fuck, anyone. You have to go to Saruman to see the first signs of change and progress. I hazard to say that if it wasn't Sauron ME would remain in perpetual stasis because Tolkien is a chirstcuck luddite and that's his fetish.

Yet you can still clearly trace their progress over their long history.

You really have no other arguments than muh chainmail. There are other technologies than metallurgy. Somehow you can't fathom that fictional setting involving magic might have altogether different economic situation than real history.

Time to get back to >>>Holla Forums with your fetish for "progress".

And so you can too for the people in Middle-earth. You have nothing.

what is it about LotR that attracts all the most autistic spergs?

Now this is Wikipedia, so take it with a grain of salt, but according to this article most of the army was in Hungary by the time he died.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_invasion_of_Europe#End_of_the_Mongol_advance

Seriously? LotR fans are the most spergy?
You should check out the internet fam.

Actually, the winter war was pretty incredible for what the Soviets actually did
People don't realize that at that time the Mannerheim line was considered unbreakable, and the Soviets broke it with a second line army

I was talking about the first campaign of Subutai and his army of 100,000.

Further down in the article it mentions:

Turns out I'm retarded and confused Ögedei with Kublai (who came later).

I want fingolian rpg spergs to leave muh /tv tbh, whats next throat yodeling threads

Stop using video game logic. I don't think you know much about crossbows or shotguns.

Potent but very short range, the bolts lose much of their stopping power after a short while because they are so light.

How short? They're not as good as longbows, but they'll beat the shortbow of a horse archer.

The most potent military crossbow in the late medieval period could achieve lethality at 180m, a Mongol horse archer could retain lethality up to 300m.

Also, you have to take into account that crossbows were not fired in an arc, but in a linear fashion like you'd do with a rifle.

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when Holla Forums makes a thread about warfare you just know what to do

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And another thing, crossbow bolts do not have centrifugal force keeping them steady, so another factor that adds to their limited range is that the bolt eventually spins out of control.

Except they fucking do you dumb shit, they are shown numerous times using them.