Hey Holla Forumsfriends, since you're constantly raiding our board...

This.
Communism is actually anti-jewish.
As Marx said, "Once the government runs the libraries, we must kill jews"

What could go wrong.

wew laddie

Please explain why your generation and the generation of academics before it gives the work of this man and his scions such credence as some kind of gospel truth.

this. the nazbols had it right all along. only the white race can build communism

Hitler dubs don't lie. Lacan BTFO

So you're promised a life of cuckholdery? kill yourself, useful idiot.

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Yes, the Jews are the Bourg aren't you paying attention, but some jews aren't the Bourg, why are the jews the Bourg?? Court Jews, etc.

Just read his critique of political economy, the reason why it "doesn't work" is because he's asking alot and his method of doing so was questionable.

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he literally did nothing wrong faggits

communism will liberate all

not a fkn marxist dont ask me

I was sure that there was no way anyone, even a Holla Forumstard, would be able to not recognize that as irony.
Holla Forums stupidity is often underestimated

All questions anyone could ever have about communism has already been answered by history. Your religion should be wiped out and forgotten about.

worker control over the means of production, MEANING WHITES CONTROLING THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION.. WHITES ARE THE WORKERS ARENT THEY?

RACE TRAITOR

Would you kill yourself with a stone for being a deluded faggot?

how was 20th century communism a failure?

same goes for fascism, 38 billion marks and endless war of expansion that killed millions of german people

His critique of capitalism and his understanding of how capital moves under capitalism makes him worth a read.
I don't believe in his ideas about communism though. I'm an anarcho-communist.

capitalism killed the family

How does Holla Forums feel about Rojava??

based as fuck. theyre the only arabs who should exist. shouldnt have allied with israel tho

Typical commie faggot.
Every fucking time.

Lacanian psychoanalysis has absolutely no predictive validity. La manque is merely an emergence from perceptual reality - realized and discussed ad nauseam since Plato - and Lacan adds nothing new to its discussion.

He birthed whole new schools of poz. Not surprising as he said that the role of the analyist is inseparable from Jewish history.

But keep being a good goy!

This.
Mom and dad are working all day and are too tired to properly take care of their kids once the day is over.
Holla Forums clearly hates the family unit.

youtube.com/watch?v=DL_0xA5bVrE

Wow, kill yourself or let me do it.

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The key flaw of your ideology is that the primary motivation of mankind is money and the exchange of wealth. This might be true for the rich and bourgeois the class karl Marx belonged to. But is not for the working class. Haven't you noticed by now that the class you claim to champion is always the fiercely religious nationalist racist class? There is more to life then money.

EWWW CUCK

Anyway do you feel a model like that would be better for protection of local economy? Think about germany with their law about giving workers a vote on the board of executives if the companys is over 1000 members? Do you think increasing democratic control ove rthe economy would be good for Europe?

I think brexit was a godsend for the UK

thats what they want you to believe.

One day we might meet in glorious combat, friendo :')

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But his ideas have been disproven endlessly by later, more rational and less ideologically-motivated, economic theorists. As it stands Marx's models make accurate predictions maybe 40 of the time, if that.

More like we march your cuck faggot nu male ass to the rafters while you sob uncontrollably

*40%

communism doesnt work cuz human nature

It's an oxymoron. Starve to death, retard.

Yes, you with a stick, and me with a rifle produced by capitalism.

Money is a claim on labor*capital, where capital acts as a lever on labor. Capital gives more to labor than it receives.

Communists are freeloading scum who should be exterminated.

what about all the tradcucks here who go "Muh family" "muh white culture" ? Does that suggest our ego encompasses much more than material wealth, that our ego desires more?

Sage

End thyself

gas yourself

I have absolutely no idea what point you're trying to make with that wall of greentext.

People have different experiences which gives them different reasons for behaving the way they do.
John might want to kill his dad because he's jealous that dad is fucking mom
Peter might want to kill his dad because he has a repressed memory of dad hitting his brother.

we used the word first cuck, as well as libertarina.

Private Property is coercion, the wage labour relation is the same as the state, we should be free of it all.

Jesus Christ, Holla Forums, you are such insufferable faggots. Hang yourself.

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Sage

this is why you're a commie

Disproven by people that want to disprove him.
Don't pretend there is any such thing as being unbiased.

You know what a self-contradictory statement is?

This is actually entirely true, though. As evidenced by how every communist regime in history has had to brutally police and dehumanise the population to get them to accept the programming.

Meanwhile an elite 'intelligentsia' class of Party bureaucrats gets to live at a much higher standard free from the same repressive instruments they've enforced upon the rest of the population, which they justify as necessary because they're working 'for the people'. Every goddamn time.

Why don't you explain?
If I own all the land in the area, I'm forcing people to work for me or starve.

you dont know the defo of private property do you?

It was first largely defined by Proudhon as distinct from Possession, or Personal Property, it is Dominion over productive means that is used to exclude, through force, others and extract rent and labour from others.

Read Proudhon you fucking classcuck

Lacan = 0
Hitler = 88

And I say that as someone who's devoured Reich's "Fascist Character", "Character Analysis" and " The Function of Orgasm"

HEIL HITLER

Re-read it. Try to understand what I'm saying, because the second part of the greentext is a quote. But I suspect you're a kike, so this debate is pointless.

unconscious = black box. Your model is at best nonfalsifiable if not outright bullshit.

Again, you haven't defended Lack. Lose that and your entire edifice an heroes.

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It doesn't matter if you are stealing some food that I have made, or the farm I built, I'm still going to end you for it you worthless mother fucker.

You realise that a neutral standpoint is the basis for testing all theoretical models, right?

That's like saying phlogiston has only been disproven because pro-Newtonian shills conspired to do so.

And you have the gall to call people like us retarded conspiracy theorists…

edge de la edge did you actually build the whole farm yourself or did you claim ownership to it and then hire laborers to assist you?

Holy shit, that's hilarious. Do you even know what words mean, you fucking retard?

I can't believe I used to be a Commie.

I'm a National Socialist, so all of those arguments don't apply to me. I believe in everything you do, I just believe we get there by exterminating everyone else. What say you?

Doesn't matter, I will still kill you when you try to steal it.

Actually, you, like all anarcho communists, are to be killed on sight. You don't recognize the rights of man, therefore you have no rights. EXACTLY like an animal. And a man makes a very dangerous animal indeed.

Ok.
I disagree with those that say they've disproved Marx.
What do we do now? I guess we use our own heads and learn how to talk without using infographs or empty platitudes.

I've read that quote before. It was from an article about someone debating Holla Forumstards.

This is encoded in the definition of QPQ. Acquiring a farm through monetary exchange or trading goods is a net good for both the former owner and the new owner because both acquired what they either needed or wanted.
Commies should be gassed on sight.

that went right over your head didnt it commie lad
it's okay no one expects much of you

It's only retards that go there to do boardwars.
Much like you now.

Commmie want don't you try and learn some basic concepts like justice and honor, okay?

I know what you mean

I agree. Except I don't define 'everyone else' the same way you do.
I'm a worker, and therefore 'everyone else' are the capitalists that extract my surplus value.

Get fucked you subversive kike fuckers

You responded to the same post twice and neither had to do with Marx or an article, you insufferable retard.
You can't perform basic cognitive tasks like, like ordering of concepts. This is why you're a Commie.

Holy shit, is this the 12th century?

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See your still looking at it through your autismo worldview. That everything that matters to me only matters in some way that I can gain or exploit something from it. Being a white nationalist hasn't stroked my ego or made me popular, it doesn't make me feel good about myself. I have lost friends and family over my views and it has been a shitty bumpy ride. I have received nothing from this but I still do it anyway.

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heres my question

how do you even delude yourself into following a cult of edgy teenagers who think that their infallible ideal brand of communism will work when not a single attempt has ever succeeded in all of history

Get off my board retard

You commie faggots only want communism because you think you'll get free shit.

protip: you'd hang first. You subsist currently on the excess provided by capitalism.

Hey.
Hey.
Remember that time when Holla Forums cucked Holla Forums out of its board mascot?
I do

Let ask you something does art serve a purpose? How does art fit into a communist worldview?

how can everyone own everything?
can you explain that to me?

My dubs don't lie.

Also, most of the Enlightenment was a mistake. We need to revert. This will happen in one way or another anyway, unless we annihilate ourselves before that point.

Ride the tiger, motherfucker.

Now it's Scruton's time to shine.

You do receive something though.
You get to feel really special. Like you're part of some secret club that truly knows what's going on.

I wish you were just pretending to be retarded. It's almost unbelievable that you exist.

We don't need to revert, we need to push through!

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Your morals are shit.
Justice and honor are so fucking arbitrary terms it hurts.

clever answer. cheers

Trying to argue with a Lefty about Lacan is pointless. They either understand that he's being esoteric and are going to lie to you, or they don't understand that (much more likely) and they are simply idiots who can't into science.
Science has problems, but simple things like predictivity and replicability, the scientific method, etc are pretty much beyond repute unless you want to go full pomo solipsism

At least I'm aware of it.
You pretend you gain nothing.

what that image forgets

You're barely even human.

There's nothing on the other side.

Natural Law goes only one way. Contravene it and you will revert to the state of nature through chaos.

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>Leftards will never appreciate Master And Commander

I almost feel sorry for them, tbh.

Agreed.

Degenerate detected.

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Welcome to nihilism

Yeah. I can't believe I myself used to think Lacan knew something about anything.

Are you really saying that "honor" and "justice" aren't social constructs?
I mean, are you REALLY this retarded?

It's not nihilistic.

Nihilism comes when you reject Tradition and Divine Law and instead try to push outward into the darkness. You create the ruins that the coming aristocracy must rebuild.

Did you read some Lacan and then when it got scary you quit?
Are you this scared of finding out why you wanna suck your dad's dick?

Do you really only see the world as a zero-sum game of money, social status and virtue-signalling?

Justice and honor can be predicated on Natural (Divine) Law. So no, they're not social constructs.

Most Holla Forumsacks are not relativists.

You buy a new car for $20k and have it taken (by tow truck, it still has 0 miles on it) to an auto body shop where they put a spoiler on it and paint decals of your name all over it. This costs $5k.

You try to resell it. Will you be able to get $20k for it, more, or less?

So arbitrary they appear in every human society, separated by vast stretches of time and space?

Sorry, meatsack, but there are some concepts that emerge from human nature. Violent reaction to those who don't recognize the rights of others (ie killing people for their property, as your kind want to do) is one of them. Any thinking man can see that acceptance of such animalism leads directly to the end of the species.

this is what you believe

listen to yourself and your master

You seriously think the jews will allow this? Don't be stupid. jews

Except contemporarily it is used invariably to describe "personal property", changing definitions to suit your ideology is sophistry. Private property being distinct from personal property has no basis in reality, and the idea that it is is a "spook" as you say.

Ask the Market™

But the notions of what is "honorable" are different in those societies, thus proving that they are indeed arbitrary.

No one fucking talks about raiding your board but your own shills. You're utterly irrelevant spook-cucks who should drown yourselves in semen.

We can smell the commies fear.

Our armies are rising up. We have been in full on Arm the fuck up mode and its been VERY public and open.

Eyy lefties - its gonna be the END SHOAH for you.
bwahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhahahahahahah

plx explain, commie.

No, at their core, they are the same between similar haplogroups.

If you did any research on the topic, you'd see this easily.

But you didn't.

You just read some leftist faggots (maybe Foucault, DnG, or Mignolo) and got this idea that it's all incredibly different.

Hey, if you wanna go eat the (((rich))) we're all for it, and in the bizarre universe where you actually did go after the rich, you would unavoidable end up going after the (((rich))), but most of your schools of thought were coined by (((academics))) who keep a leash on you to this day through private and state-funded institutes as well as paid agitators and would never allow you to do anything actually effective on fighting the (((rich))), because any group (((A))) will always do all that they can to protect any group (((B))), so anything you will get done with your belief systems is to be used to target the few rich that are not (((rich))), further solidifying the class system that puts the (((rich))) at the top the way they currently are. You get what I'm saying?

Do you believe in evolution? Do you believe that animals vary by breed and that you can breed better and worse animals?

If socialism and communism are inevitable due to the historical process, as Marx asserts, then what is the point tof being a communist?

You know that socialism and communism will not happen until the conditions are right, so being a communist is entirely pointless. You would be better off being a capitalist and exploiting others for their labor so at least then you have it good while capitalism phase is still progressing. Instead you choose to be NEETs and crusty punks and live in squalor. What is the point?

Morality is not real. It is a spook.

I don't think there is any such thing as inherently good or bad.
A dog with short legs will be a dog that runs slower. So whether it is a good dog depends on whether it needs to run fast or not.

SAGE ALL REPLIES STOP FEEDING THEIR SHIT BOARD

Why do you idiots insist on clinging to a shitty ideology based on faulty assumptions which has proven to be trash over and over again?

I don't believe it is inevitable. I will push to make it happen because it is in my interest as a worker, not because it's moral.

I don't know. I'm sure there are plenty of Nazi threads where you can go ask.

Oh, and why do Marxists believe the labor theory of value when it is patently false?

No, I am mocking you for almost verbatim using SJW arguments, and implying that social constructs are inherently trivial or worthless. Western Civilization is a social construct, ethics are a social construct, scientific collaboration is a social construct, race is, technically speaking, a social construct, but not in the ways that liberals would have you believe because the social construction of race/ethnicity is based on an objective biological/genetic ingroup. Social constructs are indispensible and the edifice from which civilization is built, and the idea that the can be categorically rejected is pure, distilled cancer in ideological form. Of course, you don't categorically reject them, because communism and your shitty pinko ideology is also a spook, so the "social construct"/"spook"/"arbitrary" argument is nothing more than thought cancelling mental gymnastics to reject everything that runs counter to your narrative without having to think critically.

tl:dr
"social construct" is not an argument.

It's kind of sad that they still think anyone here will fall for this.

sage

Because it isn't patently false.
Oh no, now you need to actually present some economic knowledge to disprove it.

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i hope you enjoy coarse rope around your neck and the feeling of a tree scraping your back

But you do accept that some animals are unequal in certain areas correct?

and you are a degenerate and reprobate
you, too, will burn

justice and honor are part of human social behavior. they emerged in every human culture that invented agriculture.

the same autism that prevents you from understanding that certain social attitudes are part of our behavior as organisms prevents you from understanding (or admitting) why gommunism/marxism/socialism always, always ends in mass deaths and famines followed by a coup and return to a sane, if not primitive (having been dragged into a pre-civilizational state) condition.

the whole political left is comprised of subnormal genetic offal who envy the status of their betters without being willing to go through the necessary steps to achieve such glory.

when society is made right you will be enslaved until you learn the humility of a working man. then you may ascend the social ladder at your leisure according to your ability

ave, plebians

except nazism succeeded and had to be destroyed by external factors. Communism was shit and collapsed on itself

Stop deflecting, commie kid. Answer the question

I would very much like proof of this. You lefty faggots keep saying it but I dont see it.

Yes.
Before you start your rant though, communists want equality in opportunity, not outcome.

that's because they are false-flagging like shabbos little goyim they are to keep their faggot board alive

No one cares about your faggot board.

how do you form an economy founded on labour rather than usury?
how can man be free in the absense of moral authority?
the "civil liberties" (homosexuality, womens rights, free stuff, etc.) you endorse are the same the cabals of CEOs push for personal and political gain which you oppose.

Lol, all attempts at communism have been under massive external pressure.
Name one that didn't need external help in its collapse.

Where are the raid threads? We don't raid you. We just pop in for a visit, shitpost a little and make obvious Holla Forumsish comments. These are not raids, there is just so many of us that it just feels that way.

We haven't ever raided you once.

isn't the outcome the same for everyone since a perfectly equal system of opportunity would restrict the amount you could leave for your children (outcome). Doesn't this require me to care more for the state than my own family? isn't this effective a religion with a slave mentality serving the state?

According to the labor theory of value, digging holes and filling them again repeatedly is inherently valuable because of the labor inputs involved, despite being completely useless. Subjective theory of value is the only theory that can be reconciled with economic reality. Labor theory of value is the creationism of economics, there are no socialist economists because a socialist economist is like a creationist geologist or a homeopathic crystal healer physician.

Sure, that may be proof of freech being a hive a faggotry but I doubt they are so organized that they could have a central goal like dividing a chan. I find it much more likely that intl is just having what they call fun.

I don't think that's very difficult. Could you elaborate on why you think this would be a problem?
I don't see why moral authority helps free me.
I would prefer to build my own morals.
I don't give a shit about these things. I want to remove the capitalist class.

Ok I will bite.

1. Why does Marxism support the destruction of native european people

2. Why are you guys against a Homogeneity of Europen countries?

3. Why is the Antifa so degenerate?

4. Why are you constantly bashing Hitler while other communist leaders killed at least 80.000.000 people?

So you aren't a Marxist?

That is debatable. Historically, socialist States have not been very good for "the worker," so what do you believe could be done differently this time around? Historically, the ruling class of capitalism and socialism have both been bureaucratic classes, not capitalists and workers councils respectively. So you trade one bureaucracy for another (that typically tends to be worse).

And what do you think of the idea of using white supremacy to bring about communism? For communism to develop, we would obviously need to advance robotics and automation to a high enough degree that most necessary labor could be eliminated. I would think the best way to do this would be to have a state built on eugenics and technological research, much like national socialism. African and Arab hordes are not going to be developing these technologies, so you are basically shooting yourselves in the foot when you support these dysgenic practices of open borders and destruction of the system and so on.

What do you think of Roger Scruton's criticism of (especially modern) leftist philosophers as fake, unintelligible and devoid of meaning?

I've watched several debates with Zizek for example - that's hours of that grating Slovenian accent and sniffing - and come away knowing practically nothing about what he believed or what his reasons for doing so were. The same goes for Prof Terry Eagleton. I tried reading the first chapter of one of his books and have listened to a debate with him. It was a bit better than Zizek but it was still incredibly obfuscated language which was hard to get at.

Scruton says that this is deliberate, in order to form a 'club' or walled garden of philosophers that one can only get in on by agreeing to be deceived by vague language.

Another question: why do you think that leftist ideologies today find most traction with pampered, young college kids who can barely cook a meal for themselves?

Top fucking kek. Any excuse to justify your proven shitty ideology. "External pressure" did not force commisars to butcher millions of their nation's people for not being "loyal" enough to the revolution. "External pressure" did not cause the collapse of an exceedingly inefficient economic system that barely struggled to survive during its entire existence. "External pressure" did not cause the failure of a shitty system based on false assumptions and idiotic "dialectics" to begin with.

This is the typical commie argument of "if everyone was communist, communism would succeed". Even at its height, quality of life in the USSR was shittier than during Nazi Germany.

Your "external pressures" are not comparable to a two-front world war against every major power on the Earth. Shit comparison, you commie faggot

Scruton's overrated tbh.

I meant that morality is not real under the Communist worldview, or at least it shouldn't be if they are trying to be at all logically consistent. It is not what I believe myself, but what a communist should believe based on his metaphysical viewpoint.

When will you shove yourself in an oven?

Ehh, no. Where do you get this from?

A little funsie for you =)
existentialcomics.com/comic/136

please respond

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Communism is based on moral claims, so clearly that's not the case.

I was wondering why communists apply evolution to eveything else but humans. Also shouldn't equal opportunity be easier to achieve if someone is among their peers? Wouldnt a black person be less likely to be discriminated against in a black country.

Hey, nothing wrong with discord.

But I see what you were doing with the filename

Why do commies even post this shit? They would hate those guys in real life.

kek

Why are they such degenerates who can't take pride in their country, heritage and history? This has to be a mental illness and no one discovered it yet.

So why'd you go off and murder a whole fuckton of Russians and Ukrainians? Is it because the czars let them murder your masters over and over?

Many marxists no longer believe it is inevitable, but no, I'm not a marxist, I'm an anarchist.

I agree with your first paragraph, though I think it's vastly exaggerated how bad it was for the workers. The socialist attempts all happened in absolute shitholes with little productive forces. I think attempts today would be radically different in execution, simply because we have much better means of organizing.

About automation; this is happening on a large scale already, and most of our jobs are now completely worthless and produce no value at all. (McDonalds workers, lawyers, cops, bankers, politicians etc)

We have already reached a point where we hardly have to work anymore to keep society running, and we'd progress much faster if we, the workers, were in control of automation.

Wew
Thanks for burning your eyes to get the screencap user.

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Here's a (you)

Then they are not Marxists.

Also
Stopped taking you seriously right there.

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Communism makes no moral claims.

From the very definition of "labor theory of value" you twat.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_theory_of_value

By your logic, if a hundred useless bureacrats and inefficient idiots is involved in production of something, it is automatically more valuable than the same product being produced by a few workers and a lot of technology and efficiency. The constant trend of fewer and fewer work hours being required to maintain or even increase productivity has been a trend for the entire 20th and 21st century and shows that labor theory of value is diametrically opposed to reality.

Hah, you would think that with the "constant" raids you could produce one screenshot.

I'm guessing your excuse will be no one cared enough? But then why are you here bitching? So many questions.

There's plenty of people on this planet who would consider you rich. I wouldn't mind some faggot commie being eaten by third world niggers, but I'm very much opposed to being eaten by subhumans myself.

No dearie, it does. You are a sermonising, moralist spook-cuck.

Why do commies say they are against 'imperialism' when the Soviet Union:
1. Occupied several unwilling Eastern European countries
2. Operated puppet governments in said countries.
3. Founded Comintern and organised funding to artificially seed Communism in several countries, including China?

The labour theory of value, which marxism is essentially based around is complete shit and wholly faulty. It asserts that the value of labour is inherent to the labour itself, and thus any supposed profit made by an employer is "excess value" being skimmed off. The reason this is bullshit, is because the value of labour does not exist separate from market forces in any capacity, thus the monetary compensation a worker receives for his labour is exactly equal to the value that his labour produces for the company employing him in the context of the market within which that company operates. Workers are not "exploited" when they receive low wages, as if their employer is "stealing" from them, it's just that these wages are exactly equal to the value they produce for the company they work for. Labour is a commodity that is traded by an employee to the employer in exchange for monetary compensation.

TOP FUCKING KEK. You're even more of a fucking retard edgelord child. This is too hilarious. You're not even out of highschool yet, are you?

Answer please

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Also, what do you hobby-communists think of the recent BREXIT?

Communism is so retarded that not even white people can make it work

They claim they wanted to leave but we all know they lie.

Why do lefty and anarkiddies keep coming to Holla Forums if it is so bad here? Dont you have your board already?
>>>/liberty/
>>>Holla Forums
I mean Holla Forums is obviously below why dont you leave us?

To be honest if I was forced to read the works of a jewish economist it would be (((Ludwig von Mises))) rather than (((Karl Marx))).
(((von Mises))) figured out why communism would fail and wrote a paper on it in 1920, a couple of years before the Russian Civil War was over.
He said the resources in an economy can't be distributed efficiently unless you know how much of them you actually have. In a free market, buying and selling by individuals creates a piece of information (or code) that lets you know how much of a stock of anything you have at hand…that piece of information (or code) is called a PRICE.

With the information that gold is priced at 1300 dollars an ounce and copper is priced at 200 dollars, you know that gold is more valuable and therefore rare , while copper is cheaper and therefore more common . So when you were doing plumbing you know it wouldn't be a good idea to outfit a public housing project using gold pipes because you wouldn't be able to finish the project, you wouldn't have enough materials. You would use copper instead.

In a communist economy with no free market, there is no buying and selling between individuals and therefore no price. No price, no information whether a material is scare or rare and whether enough of it is available to complete a project.

So in a communist society someone might decide to use gold for all indoor plumbing. Which would lead to disaster because you would soon run out of materials.

We saw that is what would happen in the Soviet Union. A certain volume of shoes would be ordered to be produced. Some official would make a arbitary order to put leather uppers on the shoes and plastic on the soles.
However halfway through the production they would find that they didn't have enough plastic. The result would be shortages as only half the quota of shoes would be produced. The leather would also be wasted as there would be warehouses full of half finished, unwearable shoes.

In human society, finding out better and more efficient ways of collecting and distributing information is key to civilisation.
Take a library with it's books or an office building storing paper files. What would happen if you had no index, filing system, or any other way to find out where was the location of a book or paper file you wanted to consult? Well chaos.
You wouldn't know where anything was and you would waste enormous amounts of time trying to find the answer to your question. Nothing would ever get done. Society would be completely inefficient.

Well that's basically what communism is.
It's like a library where you can never find the book you want or an office where it is impossible to get your hands on the relevant file. Does that sound very efficient?
Only communism would try to persaude you that a system that is completely inefficient and useless is somehow good.

What does the US or Europe produce these days?

Completely false. The majority of the world's population labors all day for pennies to produce consumer shit for westerners that's designed to break after 2 years.

Confirmed for average US college liberal. At least become aware what is going on to allow you to live such an apparently easy life. Perhaps you'll realize what you had when the US becomes a 3rd world country.

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Why is any of this an argument fellas?
we all know communism/marxism is inherently incompatible with human nature at its very core
that communism/marxism has more innocent blood on its hands in this century alone 120-180 million, through war, famine and systematic democide than nationalism has had in thousands of years reminder that the black death, plague of justinian and spanish flu killed more people than 3000 years of warfare but communism still managed to top that in the 20th century
if you're a marxist in this day and age you're either a child, a moron or a deeply corrupt and sick human being that takes pleasure in the pain and suffering of others
marxists put the iconoclasts to shame with their hatred of art and culture
their agrarian reforms starved tens of millions to death
children were turned against their mothers and fathers and became complicit in their executions by the state
in the Holodomor, a communist produced genocide, cannibalism was no longer a criminal activity as long as the victim was a landlord/kulak

every single time communism has been implemented since it was born as an ideology it has caused widespread suffering, death by the millions, crime and corruption, the destruction of art, history and culture in the name of forced artificial norms

never has an ideology been as damaging and self-destructive to humanity as a species as communism, not since Judaism has a system of thought claimed more innocent lives in the name of a fantastical utopian ideal

Aww look OP told his friend to come by!

How long have you been on Holla Forums?

there is no "worker's identity". It's made up. You cannot reduce everybody to a single frame of mind based on their material circumstances. It's a complete artificial "identity". No one identifies with being a "worker" anymore than they identify with what side of the bed they sleep on.

Wrong, Russia has the richest natural resources on the planet, second only to Africa, and had very strong productive forces in its agrarian sector when the Bolsheviks seized power, industrialization was still in its beginning stages but the same was true of all early 20th century industrialized economies. Of course, nearly all of these farmers were declared "kulaks" because they didn't like having their yields seized by Judeo-Bolsheviks and were sent to gulags.

Shouldn't be surprised that you get all of your information from web comics. Don't know if that is better or worse than getting it from a Dead Kennedys album.

The USSR was a miserable place to live. It went bankrupt and stopped existing.

Cuba is trapped in the 1950s forever.

North Korea is more like a monarchy now.

China decided that they really, really like money.

Czechoslovakia divided and no longer exists.

Yugoslavia collapsed and no longer exists.

Germany tore down that wall.

Poland is no longer Communist.

Mongolia is no longer Communist.

Venezuela collapsed and they have no toilet paper.

Communism doesn't work, can't work, and will never work. The 20th century proved this over and over again. That's a fact, not an opinion.

dont forget what Mao did to China
tonnes of waste iron slag poisoning the countryside, the rice paddies lay bare because all the peasants are being forced at gunpoint to smelt poor quality iron ore in backyard furnaces instead of planting and harvesting rice

Prepare to be called a liar if OP didnt fuck off already

It is, but that is only because Marx did not really understand philosophy (just as he didn't understand science or economics or human nature or much of anything else- Marx was overall a poor thinker).

Does Holla Forums honestly see a bigger threat in Trump than Hillary?

They're both capitalist, neither particularly wants economic reform in the left's favour and Hillary is backed by Goldman Sachs.

So why is Trump the bigger threat? Or is that not how you see things?

Why are we even giving Holla Forums any attention?

This, if anything workers are frequently opposed to each other, former America manufacturing employees have nothing but contempt for the 80 IQ chink that replaced their job and replaced their product with inferior chink garbage. Even in the same workplace there is competition, not unity, especially when raises and promotions are being determined. "Class consciousness" is a spook.

I hope you like Kosher.

How do you justify Marxist economics then if you reject the labor theory of value?

literally
you know what defined a kulak from a non-kulak?
having an extra plow, hiring help for the harvest season, owning one hectare more land than your neighbour, harvesting more than your neighbour
children were gangraped and murdered for being the sons and daughters of 'kulaks'
enemies of the state for owning land and slightly sticking out in any way from their neighbours and fellow peasants

The working class is a spook.

We've discussed communim and socialism time and time again.

There's a reason why you faggots made your own board where you ban people for even suggesting something slight off of your preferred track.

You now realize that the targeting of such people was less logical than the salem witch trials.

that happens when you're an alcoholic sponge surviving off the charity of your friends
apparently the upper middle class prussian man who never had a job in his life is the primo expert on the trials and tribulations of the international working class man and his struggle

Why do Commies like yourself always respond to an argument they cannot or don't want to reply with:
You know that the point of an argument isn't shitty book recommendations but explaining that theory to help you win the said argument.
It's a fallacy that emerged in that hugbox Holla Forums. It looks just retarded here TBH so please stop.

In white and East Asian countries due to white and East Asian research. You don't believe there will be any change in this if current migration trends continue?

This is completely false.

Okay, you are not serious here. I can give you bankers, but the rest obviously have value.

Again, debatable. Certain ownership schemes have been tried with varying results. The democratic schemes of anarchists tend to be bad for efficiency.

Somebody hasn't read the Republic.

fam

literally, at least there would have been a kangaroo court for the salem witch trials
in glorious marxist russia the only warning you got was the NKVD loading their rifles and walking towards your shitty russian/ukrainian/kazak farming homestead
I only wonder what went through the mans head, should i fight back, hide my children in the silo? or kill them myself to save them the agony of what Stalin/Lenins thugs will do them out of boredom

sorry fam its on the wiki
we know (((they))) are stateless and that marx was about as prussian as stir fried sweet and sour pork vindaloo

You realize this is esoteric/symbolic, right? Lacan is literally crypto-judaism

It is patently false. Value is subjective. It depends on both the consumer and the producer. The producer can labor for hours on some good but if nobody wants it then it is has low value.

I'd rather not. I don't think anyone in the west understands the heart of darkness-tier events that went on in Russia and later slavland.

not us faggot, try int

also sage/report and go eat a nigger dick

I'm still wondering if we have drawfags on here.

In which a Commie describes supply and demand, then calls it purely subjective.

kek
seen the documentaries?
husband and wife raising their 3 kids in an apartment in communist poland
the soot from the steel mills dirties the windows every night and they clean it every morning
doctors say the soot gave their sons asthma, their eldest child has rickets because the sky is permanently cloudy from the soot and the state food is barely nutritious
their father has advanced liver cancer but cant afford to do anything about it
12 yo boy has to nurse his sickly baby sister because his mother has to work a 10 hour shift at the steel mill every day and cant take the baby to work or come home to feed it/take care of it during the day so he's missing school

Let this thread be a lesson to Holla Forums.

No we are not raiding you, and yes, we will BTFO you in any argument you throw at us.

/fucking thread

Judeo-Communist subversion will not be tolerated
Reported

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it was obviously satire you retard, apologize to the nice user

retard go read "Prussianism and Socialism" by Spengler.

It's not even us raiding you dumbass, it's Holla Forums

They're attacking us too but they stopped recently or went more covert

Look at them stealing. Comuisim really dose take take take and not produce.

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ITT LEFTYPOL OP DOESN'T KNOW WHAT RAID MEANS AND ACCUSES US OF RAIDING

You also can't get monetary policy defined right either.

sage all replies

bruh

Get out

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Makes sense why we see slav bashing on this board. It's Holla Forums worshiping Marx

This is now a Southern dubs thread.

rollan

Dixie is with me

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Fucking forgot to sage
Fuck

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I thought the transhumanist was a jew.
Glad this clears it up.

m8 we've never organized a raid on you idiots. We hardly think of you.

Theory: the Holla Forums invasion is a JIDF tactic.

weak

Dump.

ROLLING FOR SOUTHERN RIGHTS

DEUS VULT
SOUTHERN RIGHTS CONFIRMED

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Nice try, you filthy commie. This is a Southern rights thread

reminder that commies get free helicopter rides

The USSR wasn't REAL communism/socialism!

It's so impressive how communists are able to create a mythical bad guy thief who's obviously just robbing everybody, because it's not like they've been willingly given their stuff by other people, they must have stolen it. Because, you know, if I don't have money, someone else must have stolen it. Jealous? What do you mean I'm just jealous? You bourgeoisie pig! Stop acting like it's my fault I'm shit at life, IT'S NOT MY FAULT IT'S YOUR FAULT MY LIFE IS SHIT BECAUSE YOU'RE A SUCCESS!

Well given how every current socialist country is in the shitter, and the others failed, does that mean true socialism has never been tried?

Ya blew it

ASIA FOR THE ASIANS, AFRICA FOR THE AFRICANS, WHITE COUNTRIES FOR EVERYBODY!

Everybody says there is this RACE problem. Everybody says this RACE problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY white country and ONLY into white countries.

The Netherlands and Belgium are just as crowded as Japan or Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve this RACE problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.

Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.

What if I said there was this RACE problem and this RACE problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into EVERY black country and ONLY into black countries?

How long would it take anyone to realize I’m not talking about a RACE problem. I am talking about the final solution to the BLACK problem?

And how long would it take any sane black man to notice this and what kind of psycho black man wouldn’t object to this?

But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the white race, Liberals and respectable conservatives agree that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.

They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-white.

Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.

Nice.

I have a thing for Crusades and I'm a Southerner. Yours has better memetic power tho.

Pick two

isnt that helpful
global trade and economics condensed into the simplistic format of comic strips and gifs
inb4 beardy in a suit with glasses is a jew and the other two are filthy goy

to communists thats the bourgeoisie who obviously havent acquired wealth through either the inheritance of land and the rents on them or through successful business enterprise
the marxists adhere to a robin hood method of wealth redistribution instead of a sensible method, utilizing the wasted wealth of men who hoard their wealth in banks instead of investing it in the economy through the guise of business investments and public works

Jesus Christ, user. Do you have zero understanding of capitalism? Everything needs checks and balances.

You blame not having success on muh minorities and welfare recipients. How is that any different from that argument you just presented?

Take a look at the statistics on corporate welfare vs social welfare.

If you're poor, there's no reason why you'd think yours is a solid argument. I never understand why people defend the people who are fucking them. Even Trump claims to demonize the TPP and says the middle class is being fucked over by shitty business practices and political negligence. ("Ironically", by business men like him.)

Op, I've read through the entirety of the thread and have come to the conclusion that you're a dumbass

Supply and demand is about price, not value, which are two separate things. And supply and demand depends upon many independent subjective valuations. That is literally what demand is, an aggregate of subjective valuations.

kek why

Kek
Honor is a K-type trait. Nothing more nothing less. What is honorable isn't arbitrary either. Try again commie faggot.

How not to argue, lesson one: Putting words in your opponents' mouths.

Lmao - What were you saying about not putting words in "opponents" mouths? I'm not OP. I'm not necessarily here to argue either, just commenting.

Seemed like a reasonable conclusion with the argument they presented and general board sentiment.

Gee, I dunno. Maybe cause all of the commie states have collapsed or are literally reverting to tribal states, are 1984 come to life, and all have genocided and killed their own fucking people? Please, kill yourself.

You're in a thread by commies and anarkiddies defending their talking points. Not a jump to assume you're on their side, so that' would be the implication.

lurk moar

How to reveal you're not from Holla Forums in one easy step

Fair enough, I guess.

I wasn't trying to hide it.

Feel free to go back at any point

Fee free to fuck off at any point.

You first, outsider

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it should be pretty self-explanatory that communist/socialist states have a life expectancy of around 50-80 years tops with an average of about 30, whereas empires and republics can stretch to the 300-1000 year mark

No one here cares about the commie. You can go now.

Damn, Yuri… you know what they say about a guy with big hands

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Nah, I'm bored as Hell. I'll stick around for a bit. This thread has been pretty funny so far.

Arguably, the Roman Empire, although it changed names, lasted a good deal longer than 1000 years.

All the same, Communist states having such a short lifespan and a history of genociding their own subjects is a sign that it's a shit ideology.

Just know that if you make no effort to blend in you will be mocked and told to leave every single time.

Better late than never, faggot.

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Now you're getting it!

I've been through it before. Don't worry, I never stick around for long.

And I could give a shit about fitting in on Holla Forums. But I don't give a shit about a lot of things.

Why should you get the privelege to tell land owners what to do, statist twat?

So you do care, I figured as much. You should still leave though, we dont want you.

wow you're so cool
faggot

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lel, you know that "statist" isn't an insult

so you have to add twat

which is itself a weak insult

get gassed

What a fucking waste of Hitler dubs, kek will make you suffer for your faggotry.

KEK

My bad. I could give a shit, but I don't.

Not cool, just too old to give a shit.

Man, I really hope so.

If you do not care, why should you care if we hate communist shitholes or not? Or that communist countries always end up dead?

Calling an anarchist a "statist" is the ultimate insult, because it makes them to realize the contradictory nature of wanting to be unimpeded by government while forcing everyone else to follow your special snowflakisms. The only true anarchy is anarchy.

He's a butthurt commie kid and trying to pretend that he's neither of those.

I didn't say anything about that. I made a comment about someone using a retarded argument against commies.

Ah, you got me. :^)

MAKE LIKE JOE COCKS
and die

If you want to defend commies, Holla Forums will accept you with open arms

and true anarchy ends the minute the strong band together to rule the weak like the cattle they are
Anarchy is only a temporary state, a period of transience it can never be a final method

sure, anarchy will always result in the reconstitution of the state

but statist is still a weak word imo

^This. It is why I quit being a lolbertarian. I realized it is sadly only a matter of time.

Do you understand the entire point of your preferred 'political' system is meant only to destroy?
Even before I was 'red-pilled' I knew that socialism/communism was so completely and utterly destructive that it warranted no consideration what-so-ever.

Yes because Marxist theory reduces everything to the means of production. This means the basis of everything comes down to The object and the relationship of its production - this also includes consciousness. This is why you refer everything you don't like as spooks, because according to the diagram objects/production things like nationalism and other forms of social cohesion have to be products of The Bourgeois to establish themselves and not because of millenniums of evolution.
The problem with this is if everything comes down to a production from something else, then what you have is endless recession. If I was to ask you:
You see, without anything being innate to nature in the first place, you fall into endless recession. Everything else has to be produced from another object ad infinitum. There would be no beginning.

Your theories can't even work on a fundamental level; of course communism and socialism will fail every time because it's not even a coherent idea.

On a unrelated note, coming to this place pretending to be smug gives the opposite message to us; it doesn't mean you're confident in what you know, it means you're putting up a false impression of yourself as a defense mechanism.

I would argue that whenever FLT travel / space exploration really takes off that if it is cost-effective Anarchy will be the result.
That doesn't apply to today's world though.

Check out nextbigfuture.com

Commercial space flights have been approved for 2017 in the US

lemme guess, for the low low price of just $128,999.99 a seat

Yeah, those villages and farmers always destroy themselves.

Not that bad, but 2017 is just the first couple of missions. I dont remember the exact cost, but just the thought of space flights being commercial was really fucking cool to me

I meant to highlight socialism, specifically.

no the state destroys them
aggressive collectivist reforms, the execution of landowners and prominent farmers families, the state sanctions violence against certain members of once peaceful organized hierarchical communities
they upset the balance of power, once the power lay in the elected headmen, the village elders or the landlord who owns the land the farmers work on
now the power is given to a state appointed commissar who's job is to spy on the populace, give orders to the populace on the behalf of the state and execute/imprison anyone they deem a dissident or counter-revolutionary
often they are foreign to the community themselves, power is ripped from the hands of people who's family may have had a viable interest in the community and the villages future and placed in the hands of a soulless bureaucrat and fanatic who would sleep easy at night putting a bullet in the back of a 5 yo's head if they could justify it to themselves that the child was a 'counter-revolutionary'
look at what Stalin did to Ukraine? the villages and farmers didnt destroy themselves they were annihilated by a communist regime
7 million died because Stalin didn't want his grain quota to not be met
have you even read the stories? truly objective boots on the ground journalism at the time described it as hell on earth
one journalist walked with the death march at one time and detailed how he watched an emaciated woman give birth on the side of the road and carried the crying infant on her bleeding feet for miles before reached a well where she simply tossed the newborn down and kept walking
communism did that

its cool but unless you've got an investment portfolio lined up you're probably gonna have to save for retirement for that trip

Good post but your formatting and punctuation is all over the place.

Get it together, Tyrone.

How to you get around the fact that communism as an economic model of capitalism and a political system has never properly functioned once in its entire history?

Follow up question, why do you feel the need to force everyone to live in a communistic society that inherently strips them of their natural rights?

How do you justify the fact Communism isn't natural in humanity? Plan to get around the obvious corruption problem? Plan to deal with the masses who don't want their sovereignty stripped.

Why do leftists such as yourself see no inherent issue with stealing others property? Why do you break society down into a them and us paradigm instead a more realistic matrix of various ideologies, personalities, groups, and individuals?

Why do you feel the need to constantly attempt to silence your opponents?

Communist brain. News at 11.

According to marxist theory, they were products of feudalist system. Lords securing lands end up creating conditions for Bourgeoisie to appear.
What point are you trying to make?

Wtf i am reading? Each event being caused by another itself being caused by a previous one seems quite sound.

Why don't you just move to North Korea or Cuba if you like communism so much?

Yeah know. It is going to be the age of sails for a few thousand years. Then the neo German/British Imperium will put orders to things again.

I wasn't talking about communism.

There are some problems as old as human history, though. Problems, quarrels within any type of living, but I'll take relative peaceful farming in a village over being enslaved by debt in a capitalist society. How many of you have wished to just have a peaceful farm life in the middle of nowhere instead of dealing with the day to day bullshit and stress caused by having to rely on others? I was raised in the country and have always loved it. Now I'm in a different country and plan to settle in the countryside here. There are risks to living, period. But I choose a simpler life.

I'm talking about smaller, localized villages. You're talking on a larger scale and with communism.

godamn that was a flawless shreckoning

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*Yeah no

But why?

Fun fact: Jews invented communism so goys fed up with with the jewish subversion of capitalism would blame the rich instead of kikes.

Congratulations on falling for the ruse lel

What could go wrong?

alot of us would prefer to live in blissful ignorance as a common farmer
no worries save the harvest, marry a qt, have lots of kids, celebrate your festivals and holidays in the community etcetera
trouble is if you're a farmer you have things, things others that dont have it want
you have crops, that means you have food, if you're lucky you have a wife and kids
rape bait to the man who has nothing and cares for nothing
remind us of the whole concept of feudalism, the serf farms the land and produces food for the people, the lord protects and governs the serfs and spends their lives training militarily and in combat to be unparalleled and the king governs the state, binds the lords together in loyalty to serve a common purpose
before that we had empires and republics like Rome where private citizens could own anything save state institutions
and before even that we had tribes that worked communally like the communists want so much, but in much smaller proportions and in mono-ethnic, mono-cultural states

your simple life ends in blood and tears friend, the world is cruel
the relative peace you've known your whole life is not the natural order of the world

This is before communism was taken over by limp-wrist gibmedats. You can never reach even that level of glory again. The modern liberal/commie is what they would call the decadent bourgeois. Especially the ones from the west.

–I mean… Give this poor commie an industrial sized loom! Quick, he has a plan to save the world and stop the bankers!

By respecting someone else's property rights you are denying yourself access to resources and letting them dictate how you live your life (without their stuff)
Capitalist Anarchy is an oxymoron.

The base determines the superstructure and the superstructure determines the base.

Philosophers and scientists they were then implemented by Politicians for whatever goals suited them best, kind of like what happens now.
Their own self interest and ingenuity accompanied by the accumulation of late feudalism.
oversimplification, just because some things like hunger and fear and need of social recognition are innate doesn't mean honor and or hierarchy need to be.
democratic management of the productive process seems pretty coherent to me.

they upset the balance of power, once the power lay in the elected headmen, the village elders or the landlord who owns the land the farmers work on

Actually the The Tzar did pretty massive land reforms (A lot like the ones in early industrial brittain) few decades before being overthrow, current rural hierarchy wasn't a product of some organic historical tradition at all

never seen one in my life, all the ones I've seen were enforced by Bourgeois States
Direct democracy is as sovereign as it gets no?
because property is theft, I'm just taking back what's already mine.

Actually the The Tzar did pretty massive land reforms (A lot like the ones in early industrial brittain) few decades before being overthrow, current rural hierarchy wasn't a product of some organic historical tradition at all
I remember that vaguely, cant remember if it worked well or not probably not but i do remember the commies failed exponentially worse at it than the Tsar's plans did

Wew
You sure showed everyone.

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This is autism

I disagree with that. Whatever is the product of MY work is mine. It's only theft if i take other's labor.

This is all your opinion.

The difference here is that you assume most people have no morals, and that people are somehow inherently bad.

I grew up in the country, but also lived in the city. My life has been anything but peaceful, which is why both my father and I longed to resettle in the country. Life is 10x better in the country than it is in the city.

As I said, life is risky. But I'll take less risk in the countryside, any day.

If you need honor defined, then you don't have it.

Read Aristotle, kikeslave

They didn't give the fat cat the right to own the money needed to build the factory or the land, the state did.

yah, read my 1st image, the bourgeoisie don't work, they just manipulate already existing resources

Did you expect something else from Le communist revolutionaries? They're only here to get some laughs

Yeah, as long as you used your own tools and paid for the raw materials yourself, that is correct. The product would be yours 100% if you did all of the above.

But we all know anarkiddies want to use people's shit without paying for it.

KEK

Nope, I dont expect anything from leftists except incompetence.

*To be laughed at
FTFY fam

Lolberturdians, anarkiddies and commies all said at least 2000 times before that Holla Forums is below them. Not to mention that they all have their own boards already.
Yet days after days, week after week, we have this.

You don't work either. You're just moving dirt around when you grow wheat, or mine something.

SO GIVE ME EVERYTHING YOU HAVE OR I'LL KILL YOU!

Manipulation isn't work then?

Lmao. Interesting definition of work.

because they largely are in the modern world, most dont care about anything save how it affects them personally
even your average bleeding heart liberal im 76% positive only preaches his bullshit because of virtue signalling, they dont actually care about 'issues' its just become trendy to look like you care

all of this because you live in a state, a state that however corrupt and decadent and hypocritical serves a function
there are hundreds of millions around the world that rely on the state to feed them, the rest rely on jobs that operate within the confines of the state to feed themselves
and in the state criminal activity is consistently being sought out by the police and 'punished' according to their law
whereas lets say in an anarchistic society who corrects the behaviour of the criminal?

what happens to the millions overnight that the state cant provide for anymore? either because it cant or it doesnt exist

you get civil unrest, looting, violence, rape, murder
people become beasts and the strong take what they want with force
if you want to live rural and be self-sufficient go ahead but do it far far away from other people friend, claim a patch of dirt in the middle of nowhere where noone will find you otherwise one day they may come and take it from you

Why can't anarchists into humans? Why do they seriously think it will work?

What he means is the fat cat's money have value only because there is a might enforcing it. Or do you think money is some kind of magical artifact user? If there is no army or police, if you face an angry commie with a gun, do you think a few bucks will be enough to subdue him?

I'd say the biggest problem that we are facing right now are the corporations. Private property rights should only extend to living, breathing men. Once you start giving fictional corporate entities rights that far exceed the rights of living breathing flesh and blood men something is really fucked up in your society.
A corporation can not be held accountable. You can not execute a corporation.
A corporation has no love.
A corporation has no loyalty.
A corporation is a godless, soulless, inhumane machine of exploitation and kikery.

If you don't believe in natural rights, then you see no issue with murder, genocide, theft, ect.

You're also mixing privileged with natural right. Perhaps you should read a book on the subject. Do avoid one with the phrase negative rights. Those are just bullshit.

No a Republic or Anarchy is. Democracy is rule by the majority.

You see you can't own property if you don't believe in natural rights. Natural rights are what attribute your capacity to say you own something.

So you're not taking back what is yours because fundamentally you lack the capacity to grasp the concept of ownership of private property. What you are doing is pillaging for your betterment while masquerading as if you are doing it for the common person.

That utter lack of reasoning is primary why your concept of government fails. You're all selfish idiots. Intellectuals, true intellectuals more quickly realize that government itself if not properly restrained and controlled while being kept from the hands of despots is dangerous.

Especially since despots always seek a monopoly on Law and a Monopoly on Force. In essence what you are is Bourgeois without power. The only way to end Bourgeois truly is to destroy the vessel of political power that they used to exploit the people and to put the power back into the hands of the people.

Yet what you want to do is the opposite, you want to expand government, expand theft by the government creating a new underclass, but one that deserves it because you said so (and yet you think yourself different from the Bourgeois how?).

So answer this now: How are you fundamentally different that the Bourgeois class you claim to fight? Do not answer you lack political power. I'm not talking symantical differences, I'm talking practical and ideological differences.

How can you say you are taking your stuff back when you say yourself you don't recognize natural rights?

How to you justify oppressing a whole new class of people?

How is property an inannimate object theft and if it is, wouldn't your logical response then to renounce materialism? Why will you not renounce materialism then?

Why do you know so little about governments? Yet want to have endless opinions regarding how they should be structured?

Why did you not answer my other questions?

Why do you feel people should be forced into your paradigm? Why do you constantly attempt to silence your opponents?

What makes you think we're not already familiar with it?

Funny how I posted once there to troll and got almost immediatly banned yet here we are

Come on, you know exactly what Im talking about. The fat cat's bought and prepared everything for the workers, using money/commodity/force, whatever. The workers are using HIS shit.
Also, I never denied the importance of the state, m8.

Dont know if you have seen this in this thread user, but our latest Trans autist "meme wizard" is also from Holla Forums.

And it also complains about it's retardation getting deleted.
Ironic isnt it?

To be fair, you didn't even spell lefties right.
You forgot the 'cuck'.

The one in that other thread that showed her disgusting body to us?

And why is that? Capitalism has contributed heavily to this sentiment. The extreme competition, making survival harder(you have to rely on others more for food, etc, in not growing your own or having a helpful neighbor or community). One thing I've noticed from living in the US all my life, then moving to another country is, we look out for ourselves rather than our neighbors or even our own family. In the Eastern country I'm in now, they value family and community.

Yes, many neoliberals are like this. They don't live in the real world, imo.

In a local community, you more look out for each other. State can serve a function, but I'd much rather have localized community government. Otherwise as you said earlier, outsiders come in to dictate and I'm opposed to that.

I wouldn't call village life anarchistic, but there are ways of dealing with criminals. Injustices will always be there, no matter how "civilized" a society is.

The rest of your post goes to the immoral aspects of humans. The majority are capable of living life without causing such harm. The criminals in any society are dealt with.

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Holy shit, 9 weeks for that? Fucking assblasted.

Worse. A real life autist who unironically believes that he IS a prophet of Kek.

This problem is inherent to CAPITALism, everything is progressivly turned into CAPITAL, into an abstraction, corporations are only a part of the problem.
Property should never had been split from work.

Here is the entirety of my post-history in Holla Forums compiled into a single image.
I didn't get banned.

But none of that is true you fucking imbecile. Do you not understand the flow of economics? Beyond the simplest stone "machinery" you won't find anyone who can extract raw materials, make the machines to refine the materials, refine the materials, and then also sell the fucking materials in the meantime. Goddamnitt I hate you commie kids.

Ikr? They weren't even complaining about it, those mods make ours look like fucking saints

Unironically meme'ing kek in real life…

I'd argue that money should never have been divorced from reality.
Things seem to work pretty well in capitalism until you start printing fiat currency.

Fucking saved

ah but criminals are just one aspect of the undesirable
what do you do with the group that violently opposes you and wants your shit?
what if while you're peacefully farming away and enjoying life, they're raping their offspring into war captives bellies, they're arming their children and calling your kind the inhuman beasts that deserve neither life nor liberty
thats universal for a related community with the same culture and ethnic group
but move further afield and what happens

survival has always been hard, if your crop fails and so does your neighbours and only one of your families would survive the winter what would you do?
that kind of thinking destroys anarchistic societies, self-interest triumphs over all in all but the most exceptional circumstances

I don't believe either in natural, ie innates "rights" because a right is something bestowed to you. It is he product of humans civilization. Rights are not a bad thing per se, but it's stupid to deny their artificial nature.

This. Central banks are the cancer that ruins a potentially good system

But that's what capitalism does, its how capitalism develops. It is part of the logic of the capitalist system's need to expand its markets continuously in order to deal with its crises of overproduction

Hello Mordecai

No idea what or who you're referencing

+ Fictional Fiat Currency - Destroys Societies
+ Fictional Corporate Entities - Destroys Societies
+ Fictional News Reporting/Media - Destroys Societies
+ Fictional Terrorists - Destroys Societies

I wonder who could be behind this fiction?

Yes.
Then the line of question is extended: who made that feudalist system, and what gave those people authority to do so. Eventually it has to come down to a few people with inherent merit to gain authority over others.

To an extend yes, but those series of causation have to begin from somewhere, and there will always be other factors and limitations onto those causes to have a specific effect.

Sorry if this dialogue is becoming more abstract than I like, but the problem has to begin with the theory itself. If theory is your foundation to your building, it has to support itself if to support anything else on top.

Of course you dont because you're not from here. Go away.

Probably the system of capitalism and its inherent tendency towards globalization

rights are concepts as old as human civilization you're right
but they were never bestowed, you either had them or lost them
the very first slaves were the captured members of an enemy tribe that chose not to die fighting in war
'rights' were fundamental taboos and practices reinforced through religious and traditional customs

to deny natural rights is to deny the elevation of man above beast, a man deserves to be treated as a man with all the respect that entails until he loses the right to call himself a man
and that idea is as old as human civilization

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Wow, sure is a circlejerk here then, huh?

Usually it would be another village. These feuds happen, but usually not on such a large scale as this implies. If it's within the village, they deal with it as a community(jail or village justice). If it's an opposing village, it can be a feud that lasts a while.

War happens, it's a sad fact of human history.

Survival in this world is not guaranteed, unfortunately. We can't hold unrealistic standards of living, just try to live the best we can. I'd much rather have a community, than be on my own completely, as I was in the US.

Yes, now beat it faggot

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Sure thing brah. If Holla Forums is so shit nobody is forcing you to stay.

What gave you the impression that I wasn't interested in debate?

Hahahah Moshie are you even trying?
Its Saturday, and you have had a hard week shilling for the tribe so I will cut you some slack.

How is fiat currency a natural thing?
It is by definition an arbitrary and pointless object.

Anyone save it? Sounds interesting.

You would want to look at naked traps

Please fuck off and die.

Its artificial of course, but the creation of fiat currency is something capitalism had to do once it had already expanded its markets to the limits geographically. It expanded them with essentially imaginary money.

He said "her".. Nm

Show me how capitalist economies can exist without market expansion in some form occurring.

Your post made me literally say "wat" out loud.

Kill yourself

So you don't think Jews should be expropriated for their usury, all property that the state recognizes as legitimate is legitimate?
The fat cat's money is the worker's surplus value.

No because it doesn't create anything

I see issue with those things on a moral level, I don't need philosophy not to murder people, nor do most human beings, the ones who do by being the minority would be restricted from doing so in a democracy
I don't need to own it, I just need to take it, no abstractions, just materialism.

Bourgeois State ≠ Socialist State, the two don't mix, either Property Rights exist or they don't.

I believe that people should democratically manage their own lives, the Bourgeois believes he has earned better living conditions his fellow men and that they he is somehow more capable to determine how the people's work environment and cultural-social lives should be (see advertising).
I don't need to recognize natural rights, I'm being kept from doing things I want to do and I have the power to change that.

Materialism is a philosophical stance, I consider myself a Traditionalist personally.

I just got here, picked what was relevant, most arguments here were against the Marxist-Leninist(Stalinist) application if Socialism, not Socialism itself.
I don't, Holla Forums is moderated to keep discussion on topic.

gold was only valuable because it was used as currency at that point either way.
Are you against bitcoin too?

Oh right, that extra wealth you were talking about is nothing then.

You shills are really bad at your jobs.

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You sound like a faggot who has a twitter account.
Do this:

1) Log into twitter.
2) Punch balls.
3) Go to New York Times feed.
4) Click on 'Lists'.
5) Click on list titled 'New York Times Reporters'.
6) Scroll for days
7) Find a non-Jew that isn't black/asian/muslim/whatever.

I have also attached the previous 4 Chairs of the Fed.

I WONDER WHO COULD BE BEHIND THIS FICTION?

Maybe try and read it again and see if you actually want to try and see and understand my argument before you judge it.

No problem man, actually philosophy and metaphysics are intersting. In moderation of course!

Back to the subject:
The feudalist sytem found its origins in the collapse of Roman Empire, which itself found its origines in previous historic circumstances and so on… At some point you have the beginning of human history, before tht proto humans dinsaurs yadayada Big Bang…

But the question of the true Beginning, the primal cause stop being scentific, because we lack the means to observe an hypothetical "before the beginning of time" if this makes any sense.

Fuck off lmao, I sent a link to a screenshot to my Holla Forums tard faggot "friend" so he could see what it was like on Holla Forums's worst days but I really don't want to go get it, and it sure as fuck isn't in my best interests

Are you fucking retarded? We're talking about fiat currency. You've already fucked that up several times by the way, do you even understand what it is?

So refining a product, which doesn't create anything, isn't work either? Kill yourself.

Your argument is incoherent. There is nothing to debate.

Ha I don't use twitter. Get a grip

But I made you think about it, didn't I? ;^)

Fiat currency allows for market expansion.

Are you implying that's a good thing?

And I wonder who could be behind that?

Did someone say infinite growth?

…capitalists? I know you want the answer to be Jews, and yeah a lot of capitalists are Jews. But just as many are White, and Chinese and Arab. Capitalists in general across the world adopted the use of fiat currency to expand their markets, because geographic expansion was already pretty much maximized; there is nowhere new to find and sell to and trade with.

Try harder.

From January of this year until Today, we have increased the Federal debt more than from 1776 -> 1980.
That is what central banking / fiat / debt to pay for 'socialist' welfare does.

Okay fine. Replace the word capitalist with Jew if it helps you understand it. My argument remains the same. Fiat currency is a logical necessity of a capitalist system with no new markets to expand into.

No. Jews made it, they introduce it, and then they abuse the fuck out of it. Remove the jews and the system would work fine. Preferably, though, we'd nationalize the banks and currency and establish laws to prevent anything resembling jewry. Hence why we're National Socialists, not Ancaps like all of Holla Forums seems to think, you blithering fucking retards.

I'm just going to replace '85020e' with Jew.

I'm afraid we're starting to argue pure semantics… but let's go anyway!

Rights are bestowed by the might of the community adopting such. Taboos and practices means nothing if there is no police or militia to punish the ones who don't respect them.
It's no coincidence the bill of right mention higher powers: God or the People…

wages are power distribution

Stop trying to incriminate the poor shoah'd people go, they have nothing to do with the world from an economical perspective

nor political

Ok thats it.

Markets expand all the time by the creation of new customers you fucking moron. The only way markets stagnate is if people stop fucking. There is nothing logical about charging interest, especially on money that is essentially worthless.

For the third and last time, fucking kill yourself.

Incorrect. It's due to loaning money with interest, also known as usury. Since there is never enough value to repay all loans + interest in existence, it is necessary to inflate currency indefinitely.

The second amendment is the only place that a right/power is labeled as 'necessary'

Did I ever say it was a good thing? No. I just said it will become a necessity in capitalism, in order for that capitalist system to survive. Capitalism relies on expanding markets. No moral weight to that, just a statement of economic fact.

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That's circular logic you fool!

So there is no objective study whatsoever that would tell you that yes people have inherent differences. Not IQ, nor genetic variation, nor observation between people and their behaviors, nor observing psychological characteristics among animals who inherit all their behaviors from nature, nor neuroscience which shows different brain formations between individual. Nothing.
This sounds like denialism.
This would mean they had skills to have earn these positions to implement feudalism in the first place. Yes, that is correct.
Actually hierarchy isn't unique to humans. Many species like wolves depend on heirarchal structures to collaborate with one another. I doubt they taught themselves this, and the same can be said about us.

What if people's opinions differ on the management of that production, or becoming divided by self-interest? You'll need some form of social cohesion to keep people from becoming reliant on egoism (which makes democracy seem pointless).

Marx assumed that humanity will always preserve a monopoly on sentience.

That assumption is being challenged.

The labor of the future will not complain, be violent, rebel, or make demands. The labor of the future will do what it is told and it will work 24 hours a day.

And it will finally be cheap enough to slaughter all of that accumulated human waste that spawned from the loins of the industrial age.

No life insurance payouts. No retirements. No more political concessions. Just wholesale execution across multiple continents simultaneously thanks to a very loyal and very diligent robotic army.

Marxism fails where machine labor begins.

I lurk there a lot out of morbid curiosity. They seem to hate both and be pretty divided over which is worse or if they're equally as bad.

Circular logic exists in reality.

Bad relationship -> drinking problem -> bad relationship etc.

Can't find a job -> can't find a place to live -> can't find a job etc.

And so on.

Marxism failed on its own to begin with. But no, the machine fetishists are unfortunately wrong. Anything beyond simple labor that requires human input is not going to involve robots for a long, long time, if ever.

how very american-centric of you i assume

I see you're unfamiliar with the concept of kin-slaying in pre-Christian European societies, where men could literally be butchered by their own families for committing crimes against the gods and their kin
do you think that Athens rounded up a police or a militia to arrest and execute Socrates for his crime of 'corrupting the minds of the Athenian youth'

only sensible section you posted
And who deems what the might of the community is focused towards?
what directs this might of the community?

confirmed troll

do not reply

There is a lot of overlap between Holla Forums and Holla Forums target's given the high number of Porky Jews. We only diverge on the nature of their nuisance.

Jesus christ, Holla Forums really is a fucking parody. Do you wake up in the morning gasping because you forgot how to breathe?

automatons are a marxists wet dream.

the overlap is /leftpol/ blames the rich
and we blame the jews
and the reality is the people fucking it up behind the scenes are rich jews
that doesnt excuse in the slightest all the leftypol self-hate, destruction and degradation of all our art, history and culture though

Seriously though, what is your contention with this argument?

A causes B, which in turn maintains or influences A, and it goes on cyclically.

This is how things work in reality a lot of the time.

Are you a fucking creationist or just a dumbass? Something can't be circular without having a start point. Even the shit you mentioned (Which isn't really fucking circular at all you goddamn autist) has a start point.

Oh you mean the guy that hates jews? I thought Holla Forums was against anti-semitism.

a.) Define coercion, how are you using that word?

b.) Is nature inherently oppressive? The labor wage relationship is a streamlined and simplified natural relationship between effort and sustenance that exists in nature but expanded for more complex goods and services.

Chomsky is right in the assumption that general AI won't come around and, even if it does, it's still cheaper to make another complex machine (a human) with sexual reproduction. States can align their breeding to compete against the gradient of technological progress that can chip away at this supposed barrier.

But the communists and nationalists are wrong if they think that general AI is the necessary barrier. Good-enough AI is right here, right now. For tasks that require more neural complexity, remote labor options will come to the forefront.

Labor will continue to liquify under this paradigm until it becomes background noise… without politics or emotion.

Treating machines as original sin parables is the Marxist wet dream. The real thing will not look anything or operate anything like a human. It will, literally, have a neural space that is incomprehensible for native human cognition.

You are assuming general AI will utilize human emotions when, in reality, it will invent its own.

Did anyone say there is no start point?

You need to check your reading comprehension.

Proper leftists are materialists; materiality is the base, the start point.

stop falling for this bait faggot

Going against my own advice to say I like how you ignore my post that BTFO your "argument" before about capitalism.

Dont waste your time typing another devoid of thought post.

even though we both know you will

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As a robotics fag I can tell you it is. AI nowadays has such shit problem solving capabilities there's no way it'll be fit for even factory work within a decade.

No, fiat currency relies on infinite expansion.
No capitalism. There is a difference.
It is quite obvious that you do not understand how fractional reserve banking works.

Here is the full video if you want to uncuck your brain… cuck.

Bad relationship -> drinking problem -> bad relationship

Solve the bad relationship. Drinking problem magically goes away?

The poster I was replying to was such a cuck I forgot to paste the link.
youtube.com/watch?v=iFDe5kUUyT0

That's not circular logic this is vicious circle.

And Imo, circular logic is not a very good way of describing the structure superstructure relationship .
Beginning with toughtless protohumans, we have a primitive Structure (material conditions). From thoses conditions, we developp cognitive abilities and generating the first superstructure (ideas, abstractions, social organizations). Thoses ideas change our behavior allowing material conditions to change and new ideas to appear and so on. With the little subtility that the ideas, the memes don't disappear overnight because the material conditions changed. I see structure superstructure more under the prism of evolution.

Are you jewish?

General AI is not the necessary barrier. Good-Enough AI will chip away at real gains and niches while Silicon Valley continues to pray for it's impossible singularity archelect.

Entire fleets of remote laborers can be deployed, using humans guidance at first, to train mass behavior and replay that behavior across multiple contexts. You, like the rest of your peers, only think in terms of engineering and do not understand the economies of scale impact remote hybrid training solutions will have.

And still not teach problem solving techniques. You seem to make the mistake in that you can prepare an AI to do everything and react to everything appropriately. It would be much harder to train an AI than a human being by far.

I mean.. not really. Yes, they're two separate things by definition, but that's really just being pedantic.

Yes, something can be priced below or above it's value to the consumer, but if it's above, people simply wont buy it, unless the product is invaluable, meaning price is irrelevant anyways.

Likewise with being below, if the product is invaluable and anybody can get it at a price that's far below it's value, that product is suddenly in short supply, meaning demand goes up, therefore price.

Yes, they're different things, but the correlation is so strong that the way you're making the distinction is irrelevant.

Eh. The moment you put a crew together, it's no longer anarchy. I mean, large scale, sure, but you've now got self governing groups of people in competition with on another. Anarchy is literally impossible to maintain simply because of human nature. Maybe if we were solitary and only interacted with another human being to fight over territory/resources or mate, but that's not the case.

This why I read up on evolutionary psychology. It is not enough to believe that evolution only stops at a physical level, but also had us humans adapt to certain psychological behaviors to make it easier for us to collaborate into an single organism: a society. It explains why people have instinctive desires to be with one's people most related to them, the need to feel protective over our young and women, the need to feel accomplished (gives you an advantage in choosing mates), and why we look up to powerful figures to lead us. As you can imagine this plays a lot in how history unfolds, and how certain events are decided. This is why a lot of us here seek to understand these concepts like nationalism and culture and metaphysics and etc, what is instinctive to humans, and use them to make a far more stable society.

It depends. Is this commie a leader or backed by a leader? Cause some random little dude has no power unless the dictator gives him such.

Most humans have miserable problem solving techniques. That's part of how my solution works.

You are still seeing this from an engineering perspective, which is fortunate for me.

I won't reveal how I've gotten around this problem because even if I did, I suspect you'd struggle to understand the methodologies since they involve zero engineering.

But I will give you a hint: The river already exists. You just have to steer the flow. Cryptic, I know, but I can't reveal much more than what I've already put out there.

But do understand a solution does exist once you account for economies of scale.

Hey gommunist(s), I never raid your shitty board. I don't even want to know what you guys discuss in your circlejerk, nor do I care if you need a safe space to discuss your death cult. In fact I can't see anybody from here raiding you, that anybody does smells an awful lot like a false flag to provoke a reaction. You see, we don't need you guys to justify our existence. We're not antifa, we're not Holla Forums, we're Holla Forums and we're fa.

However, it does pain me greatly when your minions come here to shill and disrupt discussion. I always thought nothing should be impervious from being discussed, as given enough effort and time truth should always come out.

I don't think you guys feel the same about this one. I think you guys want to censor wrongthink because you're unable to prove the veracity of your opinions, hence shilling, disruption techniques and so on. I can't speak for everybody, but this does nothing but cement my own beliefs.

If you want to have civil discussion while showing your true colors it's fine. If you want to blend in (badly) and be idiots, kindly fuck off and die. If you can't win in a debate but have to resort to poisoning the well, it does nothing but show that you people are out of your mind and want reality to conform to your bullshit ideology instead of the other way around.

Oh, and your memes suck dick.

Brutal, savage, rekt

Absolutely devastated. Capped.

Yes, the point is you NEED a might to enforce the rights. The Bill of right in itself is just a piece of paper which would have been laughed at by Britannics it hadn't been backed by the guns of the first Patriots.

Oh my bad, i should have choose a more generic term for constitution. The firs French Constitution mentioned An Etre Supreme for example.

i know this existed. And it's still exist in Muslim societies btw… But be family police mercenaries or the assembly of villagers, the point rest the same: someone use might to enforce the rules.

Who set up the rules depends of the balance of power inside the community itself. You will probably agree that Feudal kingdoms and modern democraties don't follow the same values.

What are you going on about? This is one embassy thread.

Problem?

I'm a bit sceptic about the concept of "human nature". We indeed have instincts, provided by the genes, but thoses genes also made us able to generating ideas which evolve far more quickly than our genes. It's not by strictly sticking to our biological instincts that we edificated civilization. The concept of Kinship, which you will agree is pretty important, evolved trough history, from the clan, the tribe, the city and the present nations. This is what makes me believe that a society based on instincts may not be the best we can do.

still too early my naive chum, consider the Twelve Tables of Rome and come back to me and we'll see if we can come to some more appropriate impasse, perhaps even on the same level

Nooooooo
firstly comparing the warrior centric largely gender equal agrarian based societies of pre-Christian Europe to the backwards semitic desert nigger goatherding clitoris cutting child raping koran thumping faux pas 'honour' culture the mudshits espouse in such a diehard manner is fallacy
no Celtic man in eons past butchered his daughter for falling in love before marriage with a young boy in their tribe

and secondly you'd be surprised how many men and women and even children willingly sacrificed themselves for the good of their tribe when it was established that they may have offended the gods and were suffering some blight for it
as an inkling in to how many, no bog sacrifice corpse that they've found, no matter how violent their death they haven't found signs of a struggle
they went to their deaths willingly

but this is getting off topic, my point i was making is that taboos and practices arise naturally as a consequence of ritual and religious/cultural custom and that the earliest societies had no enforcement of these laws. it was accepted as truth and all knew the penalties
those who broke the law were punished, those who attempted to flee justice were pursued not by police or law enforcers but armed citizens or members of the tribe that were concerned that if the proper punishment for the breaking of a taboo was not carried out then they would be cursed by the gods

now do explain to me where you believe this original hierarchy originated from or would you rather i give you an impromptu history lesson?
even the very first republics, the first so called democracies were created through the overthrowing of tyrants/monarchs
and those monarchs arose in the beginning because people followed them, a monarch could not rule with an iron fist and never can, they must lead their people and the minute they become a negative influence on their people they become a tyrant and the more educated among their people begin to hold notions of a coup

read up on Polybius we live in the last dying days of democracy and it is the very bleeding heart liberal appealing to the emotion and passion of the common man that has ushered in the days of ochlocracy and now it is dying much to our glee

I have to say, it made me glad having a non-shitposting tier conversation. Believe it or not, this also happens on Holla Forums but it is not the same thing than arguing with people having a radically different worldview. I hope this thread will still be up tomorrow.

Sage for offtopic and blogpost.

I choose not

Funny, I'm starting to believe in the position precisely opposite to that. That "human nature" is encoded in consciousness itself and, aside from certain cultural or racial apparent divergence, is the same across the board.

Take a look at these talks, they're fucking great. can't embed because already posted.

youtube.com/watch?v=QmHXYhpEDfM

How many dicks have you sucked in the last 24 hours?

Why am I the only Unionist I know? I respect the goals of the Confederacy but I value the union of the United States more than secession

how about no cuckoldry you cuckunists

Sorry you faggot commie. Stefan is talking about how socialism manifests in the real world not your fucking wank material dictionary definitions. He's talking about all the bullshit that always precedes or accompanies socialism and calling it socialism as short hand for the purposes of getting to the point.

You guys are so fucking predictable with your "Real Socialism has never been tried" faggotry. Nobody cares about your special method of socialism that hasn't been tried yet. We don't want any form of socialism, so fuck off.

You are not welcome here. We are here because we already know about your delusional ideology. We know that you are kike puppets even you you don't think you are. We know what your plans are. We don't want to ask you about it, and give you a lttle AMA so fuck off back to reddit.

Because you're a race traitor
But so are southcucks
Come home, white man

Not just that, but at least Trump (so he claims) is announcing support for American workers first.

Hillary, the liar that she is, hasn't even offered to help out American workers, she's gonna fuck the coal industry, and then be ok with replacing workers through H1 visas and open borders

Typical, I bet you sleep in the middle of the bed. You probably even stick a foot out from under your blanket.

Damn mattress centrists are ruining muh country

That is not the point, in both situations the ENFORCEMENT of rules is effective by the family,even is said rules differs in prechristian europe and muslim societies.

But once again the garant of rules is a might, the might of gods. Behave or Zeus will fuck your shit up is no different than behave or the tribe will fuck your shit up.

There is hierarchy the moment individuals live in groups and one can beat the others into submission. With time, the beating evolved in more subltle ways but this is still a principe of coercion.

Wat.

again this is all semantics, you agree that might makes right but you completely ignore the differences in influence differing cultures have

your whole concept of early society is that peaceful communally living farming communities existed and then evil patriarchal hierarchical people invaded and conquered the poor pacifists and introduced a system of hierarchy on them against their will?
bullshit you know fuck all about ancient cultures obviously
in northern europe the very first kings of the tribes were the men with enough charisma to get people to love them, the men strong enough to go into battle countless times and survive and win
the first kings of the earth were heroes

the kings of ancient Sumer had to earn their kingship through public feats of stamina, strength, endurance, bravery all culminating if they were successful with the seduction and boning of the high priestess of Inanna the goddess of war, sex and death
the natural hierarchy of human civilization arose naturally across the world and communal societies have only ever successfully existed as minuscule tribal societies that could never survive the competition with more organized civilized hierarchical societies

arent jews the rich now?

Well yes that my original point. Might literally CREATE rights.
They are only relevant under the prism of the material conditions they help shaping.

Nope, hierarchies appeared within some communities. And when some of thoses communities conquered others, i doubt the invaded cheered on it tough.
As for the patriarchy, Engels had pretty intersting views on it, more than THE EBIL MEN at least, you should look into it.

So the ones gathering more might? But i assume you are trying to make a distinction between individual power and power over others when i group them both under the term might? Or am i mistaken?

A way to vent frustration so…Something unrelated?

Also, you assume hierarchy is "natural" because they happened in human history. But it doesn't mean that it will always be the fittest society. Things happened like this before, so they will always happens like this in the future?

Lots of richs are Jews, lots of Jews aren't rich, Lots of richs aren't Jews.

nice nonsense speak
the sociological equivalent of dismissing a theocratic issue as 'an ecumenical matter'

you mean all of them
no society existed in the trace of all human history that was entirely communal
certain members of the community always held more sway in the community than others
the village elders would always command more respect and power than the children or youths
resources were prioritized not shared equally
during times of famine the first to die are always the weak, old and infirm or the extremely young as the fitter healthier members of the community are more integral to the survival of the community than they are

you're mistaken quite simply
hierarchies did not first arrive through the fucking extension or oppression of people by another people
thats just ludicrous
remember who the original members of the Roman Senate were?
they were not born into an already existing patrician class in the days of Tarquin where they ruled over the plebs with impunity
the original patricians were simply the families that could afford to equip their sons with equites, the Roman Kingdoms cavalry
you're just fundamentally not understanding the origins of these 'hierarchies' because you're only looking at from the POV that they only exist because one group of people are more powerful than another and so the weak are oppressed by them
not how they arose originally at all

originally before Aristotle warped the meaning of the word, it alluded to the ritualized forgiving of a man by his peers for a crime against the gods
no violence, no expectations, no coercion or enforcement
it was simply up to the eyes of the beholder whether or not a man could be forgiven for what he had done and that act of forgiving would allow the criminal to achieve catharsis

bad ideas
and how do you measure the 'fitness' of a society because all of the models practiced by Holla Forums and your adherents in the last century or so have failed exponentially
these 'alternatives' to existing models of government have nearly all failed as states anywhere between the 4 to 80 year range that they existed
why did they fail? why did these 'glorious' socialist or communist nations all fail? why did they descend into civil unrest, economic bankruptcy, totalitarian statism, thought crime, surveillance state, corruption on levels only achievable by oligarchs that would put Crassus to shame

Kek commie thinks he's people.