Hey Holla Forums, what are some examples in history where Muslims did the whole passive invasion shit?
The thing where they go crazy when they reach 5% of the total population.
Hey Holla Forums, what are some examples in history where Muslims did the whole passive invasion shit?
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An early example was the fall of the Eastern Roman empire, for starters.
I'm pretty sure this is the first time they've tried this method, all previous civilizations that became islamic became islamic because of the fact that they got fucking invaded by the arabs and were forced to convert, examples: berbers, kurds, assyrians, persians etc.
No they pulled this shit in Lebanon
Oh fuck now that I think about it: didn't it happen in the balkans in the 90s?
Muhammad was a refugee taken in a city of Jews.
Every single one of them was killed, enslaved, or driven out. He told his followers to do the same all over the world and that's how Islam has been throughout its entire existence.
Since the dawn of the creation of their ideology.
Peace, Violence, & Abrogation
Muslims in the West are quick to point to passages such as Qur’an 109:6 (“You shall have your religion and I shall have my religion”) and 2:256 (“There is no compulsion in religion”) as evidence that Islam is a religion of peace. When confronted with harsher passages such as 9:5 (“Slay the idolaters wherever you find them”) and 9:29 (“Fight those who believe not in Allah”), Westernized Muslims interpret these verses in light of the more peaceful teachings of the Qur’an, typically saying something like: “Well, the Qur’an can’t be commanding us to kill unbelievers, since it says that there’s no compulsion in religion.”
Hence, Westernized Muslims pick the verses of the Qur’an they find most attractive, and they use these verses to sanitize the rest of the Qur’an. But is this the correct way to interpret the Qur’an? Unfortunately, the answer is no. The Qur’an presents its own method of interpretation—the Doctrine of Abrogation.
Whatever verse we shall abrogate, or cause [thee] to forget, we will bring a better than it, or one like unto it. Dost thou not know that God is almighty?
Qur’an 2:106
When We substitute one revelation for another—and God knows best what He reveals (in stages)—they say, “Thou art but a forger”: but most of them understand not.
Qur’an 16:101
According to the Qur’an, then, when Muslims are faced with conflicting commands, they aren’t supposed to pick the one they like best. Rather, they are to go to history and see which verse was revealed last. Whichever verse came last is said to abrogate (or cancel) earlier revelations.
What happens when we apply this methodology to Qur’anic verses on peace and violence?
When we turn to Islam’s theological sources and historical writings (Qur’an, Hadith, Sira, and Tafsir), we find that there are three stages in the call to Jihad, depending on the status of Muslims in a society.
STAGE ONE
When Muslims are completely outnumbered and can’t possibly win a physical confrontation with unbelievers, they are to live in peace with non-Muslims and preach a message of tolerance. We see an example of this stage when Muhammad and his followers were a persecuted minority in Mecca. Since the Muslims were entirely outnumbered, the revelations Muhammad received during this stage (e.g. “You shall have your religion and I shall have my religion”) called for religious tolerance and proclaimed a future punishment (rather than a worldly punishment) for unbelievers.
STAGE TWO
When there are enough Muslims and resources to defend the Islamic community, Muslims are called to engage in defensive Jihad. Thus, when Muhammad had formed alliances with various groups outside Mecca and the Muslim community had become large enough to begin fighting, Muhammad received Qur’an 22:39-40:
Permission (to fight) is given to those upon whom war is made because they are oppressed, and most surely Allah is well able to assist them; Those who have been expelled from their homes without a just cause except that they say: our Lord is Allah…
Although Muslims in the West often pretend that Islam only allows defensive fighting, later revelations show otherwise.
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STAGE THREE
When Muslims establish a majority and achieve political power in an area, they are commanded to engage in offensive Jihad. Hence, once Mecca and Arabia were under Muhammad’s control, he received the call the fight all unbelievers. In Surah 9:29, we read:
Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth, from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
Notice that this verse doesn’t order Muslims to fight oppressors, but to fight those who don’t believe in Islam (including the “People of the Book”—Jews and Christians). Not surprisingly, we find similar commands in Islam’s most trusted collections of ahadith (traditions containing Muhammad’s teachings).
Muhammad said: “I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: La ilaha illallah (none has the right to be worshipped but Allah), and whoever said La ilaha illallah, Allah will save his property and his life from me.”
Sahih al-Bukhari 6924
Muhammad said: “I have been commanded to fight against people so long as they do not declare that there is no god but Allah.”
Sahih Muslim 30
Here again, the criterion for fighting people is that the people believe something other than Islam.
It’s clear, then, that when Muslims rose to power, peaceful verses of the Qur’an were abrogated by verses commanding Muslims to fight people based on their beliefs. Islam’s greatest scholars acknowledge this. For instance, Ibn Kathir (Islam’s greatest commentator on the Qur’an) sums up Stage Three as follows: “Therefore all people of the world should be called to Islam. If anyone of them refuses to do so, or refuses to pay the Jizyah, they should be fought till they are killed.”
When Muslims Reach Stage Three
Abrogation also accounts for shifting attitudes regarding Jews and Christians in the Qur’an. While Muslims are to be friendly to Jews and Christians when the former are outnumbered, the Islamic position changes when Muslims reach Stage Three, at which point Christians and Jews are to recognize their inferior status and pay the Jizyah (a payment made to Muslims in exchange for not being killed by them). Consider some of Muhammad’s later teachings about Christians and Jews:
O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.
Qur’an 5:51
And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!
Qur’an 9:30
Those who reject (Truth), among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, will be in Hell-Fire, to dwell therein. They are the worst of creatures.
Qur’an 98:6
Muhammad said: “I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim.”
Sahih Muslim 4366
Muhammad said: “Do not give the People of the Book the greeting first. Force them to the narrowest part of the road.”
Al-Bukhari, Al-Adab al-Mufrad 1103
Needless to say, these teachings can hardly be considered peaceful or tolerant.
Muslims in the West
Since Muhammad obviously commanded his followers to fight unbelievers (simply for being unbelievers), why do Muslims in the West deny this? Here we must turn to Surah 3:28, which reads:
Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference to believers. Whoso doeth that hath no connection with Allah unless (it be) that ye but guard yourselves against them, taking (as it were) security.
According to this verse (which uses a variation of the word Taqiyya, meaning “concealment”), Muslims are not allowed to be friends with non-Muslims. However, if Muslims feel threatened by a stronger adversary, they are allowed to pretend to be friendly. Ibn Kathir comments: “In this case, such believers are allowed to show friendship outwardly but never inwardly.” Abu Darda, one of Muhammad’s companions, put it this way: “We smile in the face of some people although our hearts curse them.”
Assessment
Is Islam a religion of peace? No. Islam is a religion that pretends to be peaceful when Muslims are too weak to win a war. When Islam is dominant, Muslims are commanded to subjugate or kill everyone around them. (Just look at how non-Muslims are treated in Muslim countries; compare this constant abuse and persecution with what is being proclaimed about “peaceful” Islam by Westernized Muslims.)
Of course, there are many Muslims who aren’t violent. Many Muslims in the West love peace and tolerance. But they didn’t get these values from Islam. They got them from the West, and now they’re reinterpreting Islam based on their Western values. For dedicated Muslims, however, there are only two possible situations: (1) fighting unbelievers, and (2) pretending to be peaceful while preparing to fight unbelievers. Either way, conquering the world in the name of Allah is always the goal.
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As long as the Muslim population remains under 2% in any given country, they will, for the most part, be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in:
United States–0.6%
Australia–1.5%
Canada–1.9%
China–1.8%
Italy–1.5%
Norway–1.8%
At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize to other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from prisons and street gangs. This is happening in:
Denmark–2%
Germany–3.7%
United Kingdom–2.7%
Spain–4%
Thailand–4.6%
From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves–along with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in:
France–8%
Philippines–5%
Sweden–5%
Switzerland–4.3%
The Netherlands–5.5%
Trinidad & Tobago–5.8%
At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Shari'ah, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Shari'ah law over the entire world. When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris, we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Is1am and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam, with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections in:
Guyana–10%
India–13.4%
Israel–16%
Kenya–10%
Russia–15%
After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, as in:
Ethiopia–32.8%
At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, as in:
Bosnia–40%
Chad–53.1%
Lebanon–59.7%
From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of nonbelievers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Shari’ah Law as a weapon, and jizya, the tax placed on infidels, as in:
Albania–70%
Malaysia–60.4%
Qatar–77.5%
Sudan–70%
After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some state-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, as has been experienced–and in some ways is ongoing–in:
Bangladesh–83%
Egypt–90%
Gaza–98.7%
Indonesia–86.1 %
Iran–98%
Iraq–97%
Jordan–92%
Morocco–98.7%
Pakistan–97%
Palestine–99%
Syria–90%
Tajikistan–90%
Turkey–90%
United Arab Emirates–96%
It did, and it's still going strong. The Saudis are massively funding muslim sects in virtually every Balkan country.
100% will usher in the peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam’–the Islamic House of Peace. Here, there's supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the madrasses are the only schools, and the Quran is the only word, as in:
Afghanistan–100% Muslim
Saudi Arabia–100% Muslim
Somalia–100% Muslim
Yemen–100% Muslim
Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states, the most radical Muslims intimidate, spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims for a variety of reasons. Quote:
“Before I was nine, I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; the tribe against the world; and all of us against the infidel.”
It is important to understand that even in countries with well under 100% Muslim populations, such as France, the minority Muslim populations live in ghettos, within which they are 100% Muslim, and within which they live by Shari’ah Law. In such situations, Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. The children attend madrasses. They learn only the Quran. To even associate with an infidel is a crime. Therefore, in some areas of certain nations, Muslim imams and extremists exercise more power than the national average would indicate. Today's 1.5 billion Muslims make up 22% of the world's population. But their birth rates dwarf the birth rates of Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, and all other groups.
Check the Balkans. Look at Albania and Kosovo for starters.
They're just cannon fodder my friend, with a militant expansionist religion to make them seem they are in charge when they are not, they want this invasion sure, but they're not droving themselves.
In this sequence of events you will either stand up and repel them (in their own countries with full blown warfare of course, don't expect to deport those who are already in your home), and/ or you take it like a bitch and convert/ miscegenate.
It's a win-win situation, for you know who, come on, don't be naive.
Kosovo
Persia
Anatolia
Whole Northern Africa
Egypt
India(present Pakistan)
Ethiopia
Spain but removed
Sicily and southern Italy but removed
Cyprus
Lebanon
African East coast but blended with nogs
Lebanon?
At least before the religion of Islam existed, Arabs did this same thing to lots of Bronze Age white civilizations that were in Anatolia, Levant and North Africa. They were flooded by so many shitskin migrants that the whites had to move norther into Europe.
The Hegira. Mohammed and his clan infiltrated, subverted and conquered Medina.
Many Muslim thinkers openly state that the current migration into Europe is the new Hegira.
Have you heard of this thing called history books and searh engines?
Rome had the same problem with Germans, literally the same shit happened.
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Well the reason Chechnya in Russia went apeshit, was because after the Soviet collapse, saudi backed wahhabites crossed into the country and started handing out booklets and opening covert islamic "schools". Of course Chechnya was muslim before, but before the 90s the islamic leaders there were 80 year old mountain mystics.
Now imagine if you're an ancient dude, who's been giving the rites in secret during the Stalin era, and then some young faggots come and kick you out, because you're "not a true muslim", and create insurgents out of uneducated village youth. A disclaimer though. Chechens historically have been a wild people that needed very little excuse to rob and pillage. So naturally they've taken to islam well.
Putin brought order of sorts to the region after making a local warlord the de facto ruler of the region and having him clean it up on terms these people could understand. Nowadays the wahhabites are all holed up in mountains and the older, less cancerous strain of mystic Islam is coming back.
Assyrians are exclusively Christian you fucking retard, minus some agnostics and atheists, and a very minuscule number of people who revived Ashurism
nice OC
10/10
Kosovo.
What helped greatly was the communist government at the time inviting them in and having zero border control as well as dismissing any and all violence committed by muslims as white mans fear mongering and telling people to shut up.
Source, my 7 year old aunt that managed to avoid ficki ficki by an Albanian by smashing his left eye out of his socket with a rock, the subhumans vowed blood revenge and the police told them they're just imagining things, forcing them to flee to Belgrade with their lives.
Does any of that sounds familiar to you?
Spain, although an Idiot Prince who wanted to King next and not a duke invited Muslims to help him rebel against the King.
But there were Muslim converts as far back as the late-15th century in Bosnia because of the Ottoman conquests in the Balkans.
Yes and yet it only became a problem in the 90's' probably due to outside agitation.
are you mentally retarded?
their entire history is one of conquest
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Most of the countries you listed were invaded by conquerors.
But he wasn't talking about conquest, he was talking about muslims being a minority and then slowly replacing the native population by force. Kind of what's happening now in the west.