Get our shit together?

The last paragraph of this post got me thinking.

What is it that keeps us from organizing? Do we want to? Should we? What are the advantages?

But assuming that we do want to organize, what is it that really keeps us from it? Is it the fear of being outed? Of having our names put in some list? Apathy? Low priority compared to stuff IRL? (Justified to a degree) trust issues?

How would you feel about a tight-knit, low-lying group that is not (at least publicly) associated with any radical ideas or even the *chans?

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For starters, there would be nothing wrong for a group to publicly advocate for traditional family values, and rejecting feminist/mgtow ideologies.

There definitely is a lot of other stuff that regular folks can get behind.

Becoming a physical target.

Not right now other than in the local sense (see TRS model). Someday we'll reach a critical mass where it's less hostile to do so in the broader sense.

At the local level I don't see why you shouldn't try or want to network with people near you, if you have that luxury. It's good to know people you can trust. You build nation wide networks by building local ones who trust each other. Last thing you want is for society to collapse and you have nobody other than yourself to carry the message. Strength in numbers even if it's just 2 instead of 1.


Just look at our opposition. Groups are very powerful, but we don't have that luxury and who knows when we will despite the progress made in the past year. The advantage of being secret isn't much of one unless those involved are upper-class or wealthy people, which we certainly are not. Working in the open is 100x more beneficial, but not so much when you're being relentlessly demonized.

For things to get more "public" we'd definitely have to grow those aware of the JQ and race issue by 2-3x at least. As big as it feels being in the hugbox, the hardcore leftists outnumber us still by 100 to 1. That's not to be discouraging, it's simply reality. I mean we're talking in the U.S. alone it's probably ~1 million of these fanatics vs 10,000 of us.

Makes sense. /thread, I suppose. This was perhaps better suited for a post in a related thread.

On a second thought, I did mention that the hypothetical group would be Holla Forums lite, and (publicly) un-associated with radical ideas and *chans.

Would even members of such a group be under a physical threat?

I hate being that goyguy, but TRS has the right idea. Local meetups with minimal exchange of info and one or two charismatic individuals secure from retribution to organize local cells. cf. Johnny Monoxide, whose (((Union))) job means he literally can't be fired for fashing out.

The problem is, bigger meetups by necessity require organization with other groups, which leads to a kind of "big tent" phenomenon, which is where people like (((RamZSaul))) tend to crop up. "muh 1488ers are nothing but trolls and plants"

The fact that TRS built up the media network first also helps, as they can shill their meetups to a much larger audience than they could with just the fora.

Couldn't say for sure whether they'd be targeted or not, but don't underestimate these left wing fanatics. As dedicated as we are there is an equal amount of dedication by our opponents.

You could probably get away with something and not attract much attention or controversy, but we know how the other side and the media work. They love when people come out of the wood works and expose themselves even if it's under aliases (something even NPI/AMREN have for some attendees).

Trust is a huge deal and the only way to do that is slowly and at the local level. One plus side to that is that there is no group to attack or infiltrate. That's what has historically brought down every single far-right organization.

Meetups are a stupid idea, there's too much potential for outside infiltration and troublemakers fucking it up. The best thing any of us can do is redpill and convert our friends, family, neighbors and grow small networks that way.

I realize trusting a stranger with everything is hard, especially in the circles that we're discussing, but I believe that complete trust would be important if some people were serious about working towards bringing on very specific changes in society. A band of brothers, so to speak. Any new recruit would have to spend quite a bit of time with all the other members before being inducted.

All this would take far too much effort, and we're too sparse.

It's still good to entertain some of these ideas, realistically, and see where we stand.

A point that TRS regularly makes is know your limits. Practice the level of OpSec that you think is necessary for yourself.

How about no? We are faceless Anons, not an organization.

You faggots keep saying that but we can't change our nature. If you want organization join some forum with name faggotry. I like the user philosophy of being judged solely on our content and ideas, not our social status or identity.

Us guys are too stubborn. Wouldn't it be easier to pair up with someone like-minded and focus on actual work than spending time arguing about the usual stuff?

Keeping this in mind,

can we try something new? If I were to share that I studied at UB, would someone from around here be willing to, say, have a one-to-one Google Hangout or something similar? If enough trust develops over time, a casual meeting can be arranged.

If everyone found fellow posters like this, wouldn't it be something of a decentralized organizing?

Words not deeds..

Indeed.

This idea is more geared towards those who do want someone to share ideas with IRL (however gay that sounds), and perhaps try to implement some of them. Having someone physically provides courage.

By organising you're painting a big target on yourself and everyone involved

A nebulous hivemind has much better reach in a propaganda war.

There's no reason for Holla Forumslacks to organize, we'd just be vilified and used as another boogeyman for the (((media))) to warn everyone about on the 5 o'clock news.

Now, getting Holla Forumslacks into existing centrist or right-leaning groups? That's something worth our times. If we can get in there and start to shift opinions and views closer to our own, a whole lot more can be achieved. We can have groups with more legitimacy, followings, and influence on our side that way.

There would not be anything there to target.

I should have included the second post in the OP. But even that idea has transformed down the thread, and in I suggest that we (those who want to) find fellow posters from local areas. Make friends with them. NOTHING TOO CRAZY.

I hope to start the Libertarian Nationalist Party (LNP) one day, it will have broad appeal to many people. Of course the NatSoc fags prefer the whitetopia fantasy with leftist socialism, but they are a minority of the larger population.

My gut tells me Libertarian Nationalism will be the future.

So what I'm hearing is kill all niggers?

Work towards it? Would this board be the best place to find someone who would support you, but also provide some critique?

All I'm suggesting is that physical interaction gets work done.

And also provides some motivation. If you were thinking of hitting the gym, or training at a range, or whatever, you'd be more likely to do it if you had some like-minded company.

Not yet, I don't have the money to do it. I'm working on development for a startup right now, I would have liked to maybe recruit some pol web devs who would be interested, but getting people to overcome the paranoia is practically impossible.

I honestly don't know how one would go about lifting the user veil to accomplish anything.

I have a local book club in oakland if anyone is interested in actually getting involved in something.

Depends on the country. In America pretty much everything is locked up by the ZOG, so it would take a triad approach involving the infiltration of the democratic-republican establishment, the stockpiling of resources, guns, and a war-chest, and the hands off impeccability / plausible deniability factor of a growing third party movement.

and for the record, anonymity is our greatest strength, but it's also our greatest weakness, at least in my perspective

I knew there would be some interest in this.

By the way, I am a front-end dev (but have worked on full-stack for some projects). Interested in helping you out.

So, you see, there are still some sane anons here.

I've been learning web dev and doing the development myself, my background is in embedded systems (firmware) so learning the sheer clusterfuck of web development has been an eye opener at how bad the entire web is designed.

Funny. I was reading this very relevant six year old Reddit thread a few hours ago: redd.it/arrva

Yeah but are any of you in oakland and willing to meet up? Email me your deets at [email protected]/* */

I'm also an engineer, though I now work full time on Holla Forums-related sociological research.

Very interesting. I will be moving to the Bay area in a couple of weeks, but sadly I have not much to offer you.

From my perspective, the entire stack is a hack of shit. I've designed entire embedded systems capable of using thousands of microcontrollers in a mesh network and all the protocols down to the bits, but web development is such shit it blows my mind.

Example - right now learning some PHP to read a database to fill a table, you have to write the fucking PHP TO WRITE THE FUCKING TABLE WITH THE DATABASE SHIT. This entire shit could be accomplished with the right software object and a single instruction to the server for the data.

And then there's the CSS shit, you can't comment the CSS without having to run all the CSS through a minimizer afterwards to save bandwidth.

I've already come up with a to completely redesign the web stack from an embedded perspective, but it would cost tens of millions to develop all the components.

I'm in glorious south :)

Post your email in the clear. Holla Forums spam protection faggotry requires me to sign into cloudflare or some shit

If you want to do something like that leave Holla Forums out of it. This is a sanctuary.

Here's the second post you might be referring to from OP.

The point wasn't that Holla Forums is failing, the memes from this corner are spread far and wide, it's that the movement overall needs to step back and study the big picture.

Holla Forums is the think tank, it's the propaganda arm of the movement.

For any successful movement, as they have revealed, needs a propaganda pillar, a financial pillar, a military pillar, a political pillar, and probably some others I can't think of.

There are still going to be anons drawn to Holla Forums that have different gifts to contribute to the movement, and Holla Forums may not be the best fit for them, a dead end even.

There needs to be multiple strong pillars to hold up this movement, and they need to realize they need each other.

Charismatic and social anons should be spending less time here and more working locally like other anons have mentioned.

This thing needs to be built from the bottom up, not top down like them. Even if anons start a movement and become mayor in a tiny 100 population town in rural bumfuck America, that's a win.

Not a sanctuary, Holla Forums is a pillar. And it doesn't stand alone. But I partly agree with you, Holla Forums shouldn't change, it's doing good work.

Are you sure? There is some visible interest here, and with a better OP, I'm sure many of us will be willing to ACTUALLY help each other out IRL.

Well said.


Create and build a group in your local area. Don't be IRL internet nerd, be the nationalist political activist dressed in the message of building a better *white* future. But never actually say it because so many normies are brainwashed.

Look Hitler started in a beer hall, he didn't even put the group together he was hired to spy on the group originally. I see the university as the new "beer hall", finding and sliding a group there could be advantageous to your dream. Remember there are a lot of Goebbels waiting around, they feel as if their life has no meaning, Goebbels was a poor comedian who thought he'd be meaningless but was actually a genius who wove such a great filigree that we still know his deeds today.

user are you the leader or a follower? judging by your post I'd suggest the later too the former

Yes, which is why I mentioned that something like this would not be associated with even any of the *chans.

Right now, I'm thinking of creating a new topic with a better OP and the sole purpose of helping us find and help each other out. Perhaps even find casual like-minded company. I'm doubtful if it will gain traction. Nothing against those who wish to stay user.

?? A table is created once using DDL. PHP would only be used as a DML.

Right now, I'm just trying to bring some tangible difference in the lives of fellow posters. For the better, I hope.

Exactly, Goebbels needed his Hitler, Hitler needed Rommel, (maybe) needed Himmler, and etc.

Corny and cliche, but it takes all types to make the world go around. A hypnotic orator, a spicy memer, a crafty desert fox, a mystic larper


That's a good idea, clearly this thread gained at least some attention, just figure out what people didn't like in this thread, then change that for the next one. One example, most anons don't want Holla Forums to change, and that's fine.

But for some people, Holla Forums is a red pill and then a stepping stone to something different, from one pillar to another. All the pillars are required to hold our house up.

I had to look those abbreviations up, we don't use them in embedded systems and I haven't come across them yet (they make sense).

No what I'm saying is that I have some html/css, the php has to read the database with a loop to build the table 1 row at a time, and it's actually having to write the HTML to insert. It's like writing code to write code (and I use code in this case loosely) just because the browser needs the document formatted.

There's an infinitely better way to accomplish this shit, but it doesn't exist (yet).

Anyway, I just think it's a hack to force shit to ft into the HTML document.

Our ideologies don't work in the current climate. It needs to get worse.
Natsoc / fash work when the people are cornered by an external menace and their survival instict kicks in.
Until then people live in a bubble, brainwashed by the electric jew all day.

Also, chans going public always turned into channers becoming lefties. Chanology, gamergate, you name it.
That's usually because part of the movement wants to be "moderate" and decides to try the PR route, and that's when the co-opting begins.
See in this thread there's already people suggesting to keep a low tone to avoid media slander, these same people are going to become PRfags in an instant.
Holla Forums is good for propaganda and discussion, but would easily disrupted by jews.

A good attempt would be uniting all the chapters of natsoc/fash into a single group, say have meetups with stormers and TRS to decide the future of our groups, coordinate actions and ideals.
Only then we could hope to make a dent into the kike control system.

I'm not sure we're as sparse as we think. Times are changing.

>>>/meadhall/

chans are decentralized movement, the moment we all get in one place is the moment there will be an "accident"

Also it's highly individualistics in nature, we would not agree on many things and it would became giant d&c fight.

It's good to form smaller groups of friends, that can then cooperate with other groups of friends, but the group has easy defense from subversion and infiltration by the fact that everyone knows each other closely

There is basically no strength in getting all together, since TPTB are trained in group dynamics and dealing with mob mentality. Make it few inteligent individuals and they don't know what to do

Protip you do not ever want to be in the same room as half the crazies who post here.

jesus christ OP, how about next time you recognize a concern troll and disregard it instead of spreading the cancer? sage because OP is a faggot

Last time a chan got together it started some moral hackergroup collective.
We abandoned it and it became shit.
I wonder what would happen if we did it again.

Imageboards are chaotic and fluid, thus difficult to gain control of. The only semi-viable tactic to subvert them is using a shill flood, but then anons will just migrate to a new site. Chaos is our magic.

What is also a problem rooted from the same cause is our incapability of controlling others.

I was gonna make this thread, but then I realised how much we should all just kill ourselves and let this world be through.

I'm sorry OP but 3rd parties are where ideas go to die. America is a two party system and you can only create change within that system. No, it is not impossible. It has happened a lot throughout America's history. Look at when LBJ pushed through the civil rights act. He lost tons of support, but changed the face of his party and won in a landslide. The same with Reagan. You can look back even further at Wilson.


There are very few people actively involved in politics. The vast majority of voters don't pay much attention until a few months before the general election. The Republicans get 60 million votes in the general election, but how many people even voted in the primaries? 20 million? That's only a third of the GOP electorate, and you only need to control a majority stake of that to win the primary (usually, Trump had to go extra hard) so around 10 million voters. You can cut it again if you are only trying to control Congress as you only need to control half of the biggest party. So you only need to win the primary of half of the biggest party's seats, which would be less than 5 million voters.


This is how the Tea Party got so much power, and they only have 50 seats! The Tea Party isn't even a separate party, they're just a subset of the GOP. If you want to make a "party" you'll need to create some type of Trumpism Nationalist caucus within the GOP.

This smells strongly of FBI datamining but I'll indulge.
1. you are UTTERLY INSANE if you think forming a National Socialist Party will do anyone any good
2. the proper right (our movement) will probably never succeed because we are so busy with in-fighting (and with weeding out the numerous shills and FBI/JIDF infiltrators) that we would rather a fellow rightist who isn't 100% like us suffers even if it costs us dearly rather than they win even if it means we all win
2. in other words: Christians would rather boo Atheists (and fags) out of this movement rather than work together to see support for the Jews and for the establishment dwindle

Literally paints a target, opens up yet another avenue of infiltration and subversion, and besides that will lead to ego clashes infighting and thus dissociation.

Not until shit goes down, they can't know anything concrete about what our modus will be beforehand lest they use it to identify, infiltrate, backstab, and preempt.

No.

There are only disadvantages for us through opportunity for them. Anyone who tries to suggest any kind of organization is an alphabet faggot. Though, maybe we should've made our own honeypot to lure the alphabets and get their cover identities which we would have found to be forgeries, but it's much to late for that or any chance of organizing anything even if we were to fall to that naivete. Shit's going down real soon, they know the gig is up and people are only waking up more and more to their shit as each day passes, meanwhile Vlad's patience for them and their bullshit towards him thins by the second. They're already throwing bottom barrel would-be assassins at Trump (on top of all the false flags to distract people and attempt to regain the reins), they're desperate.

whats that anime again?

Legends of the Galactic Heroes.

I haven't watched it all yet so I'm not sure exactly when this scene takes place.

I've been meditating a lot on this, and there's several dimensions of the issue.

The first one is "What We Believe":
The answer when it comes to us as a group is - practically nothing. We can't agree on anything when it comes to "How to Handle X".
Don't believe me? Start a thread on:

You will conclude that situation is not only divided in two main groups, but that everyone has his own vague idea, not really working with anyone else's. Overall, we lack an absolute sense of something that we can build on. We only feel the same stench from issues, but that's about it.

The next one is "Who We Are":
This one is even more messed up. Consider that we are on Holla Forums - you know what that implies about most of us.
Were we normies and satisfied in goy's life, most of us wouldn't be troubled by these issues. The implication of this could take a whole other post, but you can probably guess how it affects us-normie relation.
In addition to that, we are anonymous. There can't be non-anonymous organization with us, without breaking a degree of anonymity. Even if some of us started a real-life movement, they would be scorned by the rest of us. They would thus cease to be one of us.
But that event is positive. Perhaps we serve as preparation grounds for this. The question is whether there is anyone both bold, willing and capable enough to perform outside of this place.

That's about what comes off top of my head.

This is why NS retardation will ultimately fail and Orthodox Monarchy will succeed. I already have organised group and am not needing to be hiding of it.

Like all the European royal families have.
What's that, they're all extinct?
Sage.

Knowing folks is the number one priority. Despite being outnumbered, many of us can debate head on rather than just using institutional authority to shut down conversation.

We get to be free actors in that sense. Further, organizing in meatspace gives too much of a target. Our 'structure' is on Holla Forums, grounding and enabling proliferation socially. Holla Forums is a great advantage that way.

Read 'The Starfish and the Spider' if you have a chance, setting up independent networks within a unifying extant structure is the most successful design for activism. In addition, changing one mind can have a ripple effect depending on how important they find the topics discussed.


Problem is, though some among us are undoubtedly great faces or gregarious, there isn't much methodology that can set those folks on a productive path.

Suggestions would be great. Would probably have to be its own thread.

No they are not retard. Even the Romanov family managed to survive somehow.

here, we're about 3000 people, i can assume the majority in the anglosphere but otherwise scattered throughout the world.

i'd say we are few.

the idea if anything is to get our shit together, but trying to do something individually or maybe through local established parties or associations.

Drop White Nationalism and the Adolf fetish. One can defend Whites' interests as an American, British…Nationalist. One can also criticize Jews as well. It's done all the time on NORMAL forums.

Remove the kick me sign White man.

"What is the Alt Right" for 200$

Yes, they survived in your mind.

We should write a book titled Current Year in 1984 fashion. Aforementioned book will naturally take place in Current Year and feature such rich characters as: Goldberg, Geldberg, Zuckerberg, Goldstein, Geldstein, Zuckerstein, Rothstein, Rothsberg, Cohen, Cohen2, Cohen3, Cohen4, and Cohen5, all in charge of a specific piece of legislature for which Americans generally share a disdain. In example Obongo's Not-Affordable Health Coverage law and seizure. Also we'll put some [insertmoneysimile]berg in charge of some shitty reboots for movies, books and so on coming out of Jewlywood. People should be able to draw the conclusions themselves when they start noticing all these names popping up for real. Naturally we'll put real Germanic names in protagonist type roles as to help the population dissassociate Jews from real Germans. Such Germanic names usually are literally German or [insertcity]berger, please note the -er on the ending of berg/burg as it indicates a native of the preceding location. As an aside you could also note that the Jews' lack of using -er on the end of berg indicates their inherent alien status and ill adaptation of Germanic namesake. Naturally the protagonist shall be named Bergermeister Meisterberger because it's a fantastic name fuck you.

Apparently 10% of the internet users are Holla Forums browsers.
This was an estimation done by the mods who explained that 2500 "users" means 2500 user nodes which approximates to about 10% of all nodes used to access the internet, or so they said.
That still doesn't mean much but we are too scattered and busy with in-fighting to ever do anything practical.

I learned this the hard way.

Most likely the same thing as decentralized groups are usually easy to subvert.

It's already happening.

Literally you guys are the future and it's not a joke either, people laughed about the fact that the baby boomer hippies (who were just about the biggest joke generation in history) would ever get into power and here we are. The neocohens are already losing it. Just work your way slowly for now. Oh and read Rules for Radicals. This is literally what hippie faggots and Obama himself taught. It's time to use it against them.

2500 users are 2500 unique IPs. Granted, this doesn't count Tor posts.

Do tell more.

No-platforming.

It takes place around episode 30 I believe.
It takes place after the alliance has won a significant battle, and the empire is on the brink of internal war.

Thus, the empire is instigating an internal war in the alliance also, so that both parties will be occupied for the time being.

The scene you're seeing is portraying a fact of life/government. Democracy and Tirany are just FORMS of government, neither being better or worse. A good government is good, and a corrupt government is corrupt.

Swiss Holla Forumsack here

anyone up for a beer?

>>>/meadhall/

Aside from the justified ever present fear of honeypots… There have been several attempts to organize. 2011-2012 is the earliest that I witnessed it. Some user wrote an extremely jeffersonian essay on the state of the country and why it shouldnt be tolerated. Back then Holla Forums had strong libertarian leanings… Because though we are a group of dissenting malcontents most of us are good men and good men always try to do what is right for everyone. It was extremely cucked, but it had potential. There were several irc channels that sprang up around it. #turtles was the main one. And for about two months it had a steady stream of 2-300 users all contributing to the creation and gathering of infographs and other stuff to assemble into a guerrilla advertisement campaign style assault. It was going real strong. And then the shills shut it down. They struck with a massive DnC and within days the numbers of users went from several hundred to 2 dozen. The effort kept going but the shills kept it up until morale was so low that everyone gave up on making the red pill suppository.