So what do we do??

If Hillary wins, she has promised full citizenship for all illegal aliens in her first 100 days. And there are so many illegal Mexicans in Texas (400k in Houston alone) that amnesty would make Texas a blue state. So the GOP is dead at the federal level if Hillary wins, and she will double or triple legal non-white immigration to about 2-3 million non-whites a year coming in, so we'd have a non-white majority by about 2030 instead of 2042. I think Balkanization is the only option at that point. One of the more white states like Maine or Idaho would have to secede from the union and become a Republic again. And then just build a wall around the area you control to keep out non-whites.

Pic related, it's every country (as of 2010) which is over 90% Non-Hispanic White

Buy guns, actively encourage secession or revolution

Bump in all fields, because this situation needs to be discussed. No more of this "concerned shill" faggotry.

I have a feeling that, in the slim chance that the God Emperor loses this November, there will be rapid decline in traditional values and constitutional liberties. Even faster than it is today. There is an upside to this, though, because things have to get way worse before it gets better. Enough pressure will motivate people to become wise to (((them)). And under all that pressure people will also be motivated to make changes, violent or otherwise.

In short, there are paths forward even if Trump loses.

prepare for revelation level event.

the best thing to do is redpill as many spics as you can on the jews, it's not that hard with some of the day labourers.

also, what are the thoughts impregnating hispanic mixed women? Many mixed "white" burgers I know would choose the white man any day. is a mixed child better or worse than one more full blood spic in the world? (I'm not implying you should commit to one, but if you're wealthy enough to afford the bastard bill if you get caught.

There is a significant greater percentage of mental illness among mixed race children, so they are better than the straight up mongoloid Spics, but have a higher chance of being Virginia Tech material.

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We move Northwest. You should be moving NOW actually.

There's no way that's true. There's no way. Show me proof. I can't believe it. There's no way any human being would think she would be a good president. Please don't prove me wrong.

breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/05/25/clinton-releases-plan-dissolve-us-border-within-100-days/

Is that where they're building the ((camps))

Any other sources?

((Google)) is literally a click away

So you know that I'm not asking for much.

Yes. We secede. We organize and we claim territory as our own. We die to protect it and our way of life. "But user I'm a faggot who is afraid to die for my principles" then you're worse than dead. If your response is to roll over my only suggestion is to kill yourself.

Why not both?

Donde esta RWDS?

;_;
Why though? Just why? Why is any living human actually supporting her? WHY?

Ultraviolence. Right wing death squads.

Wait for society to collapse.

Also, you're all going to be put in mandatory dating program that emphasizes on diversity so your future wife will probably be a spic.
Refusal to submit will result in being taken to re-education camps.

When Trump loses you mean. Check his polls recently?

We would have that immediately after amnesty. You have to remember that there are millions of mongrels, Arabs, quadroons, currys, "white hispanics," etc. that are considered white in official stats. Real white people might even be below 50% already.

I hate the thought of running. But fuck.

I personally am hoping that if she wins. Some of the State Governments will get so fed up with whatever bullshit that she tries to pull. Which I'm sure she will. That some of them will Secede. I live in the Southeast. So if one of the State governments secede. Mine most likely will also. If my state legislature does not secede. Then personally I will do nothing. But if things get really, really bad I will try to influence my state house representative and senate representative to consider secession. Other then that I personally will do nothing but if she does things bad enough to move them to secede then I will back my State up fully. (if that did happen I would not expect the newly formed government to be white nationalist, just a government that actually respects freedom)

That is the point of no return. Its up to every Holla Forumsack to decide what they will do. To me personally, doing nothing but voting and emailing congress, making memes, and shitposting on Holla Forums will no longer be enough. Nor will I "wait for the collapse". There won't be a fucking collapse, its just going to be a slow constant decline into brazil-ism after Hillary wins. We will have passed the event horizon. Personally, I will consider USA officially dead, and no longer pay taxes. I will begin living off the radar, and begin preparing for other things I can't say here. After a Hillary win, you should no longer consider society "ours" and should try to disrupt it in any way possible.

(OP here)
I'm married 20 years….it's my children I'm concerned about. I can do as I please and take as many as I can with me, but I don't want my children fucked with.

Most recent available polls were last week….PRE-Orlando. I have a feeling he may have gained a point or two.

Northwestfront.org also read "the Brigade" by HA Covington

Lets not lose our heads here folks. It will be alright. Anyway. If things get bad enough. Expect some State Governments to start talking about secession. If they don't just live with it. And maybe she won't be as apocalyptic as we think if she does win.

Once the economy explodes you'll be too hungry for any sort war.
Expect bread lines.

He's dropped. Clinton's at around 70%, from what I've heard.

Youre really just going to keep putting up with this shit? Working more and more hours, things getting more and more expensive, and a sea of shit colored faces around you?

I think you are too optimistic and not patriotic enough. You'll wait until your state secedes? I don't know where you live but the fed has taken overy every state de facto with making them reliant on federal funding. State politicians are part of the establishment. You'll wait and wait while america browns and gets worse while the real patriots act.

Whoever secedes first loses. Provoke the others into seceding. This is how we wiped out the natives – sign a treaty, wait for them to break it, then grind them into the dust.

You could do worse; they have their problems but they emphatically do not take shit from Moorish invaders. If Henry VIII's elder brother Arthur hadn't died, the united Anglo-Spanish Empire would have the entire new world.

I'll vote the right way and try to convince others to vote the right way. And if things get bad enough I hope my State/the South will secede. I will stand with my state. Otherwise I will keep living my life and trying to do the best I can. Politics isn't the be all end all to me. Although it is important.
I've always got my fiddle.

All of you are talking about polls, public opinion, voting, etc, but what you don't seem to realize is that if bad goes to worse and the Jews really do have complete control of the government as we say,
VOTING DOESN'T MATTER
Voting fraud could be VERY real, and if it is, it won't matter what the vast majority wants; the election will be decided by (((them))).
When push comes to shove, there might have to be some kind of forceful uprising.

There are other arguments against democracy I favor more, but it's always felt weird to me how everybody seems to have complete trust in that the counting is honest when I don't even trust my mailman.

I've been wondering lately if we might have some Gilded Age-style political bosses operating in our society. You know, the kind of scum who will offer illiterate immigrants a dollar to vote for a particular candidate or march in a particular protest.
It wouldn't be the first time. We all know that democracy is flawed.

You're already dead.

If shit goes to high hell under a Hillary Presidency I'm probably gonna just run in some direction and inform and warn as many people as I can and hope I can help form a self-sufficient community or end up going off the radar. If both are impossible I'm probably gonna just kill myself and hope people forget me. Due to my circumstances you guys wouldn't have to worry about me if I opt for suicide, and going to any other country wouldn't help me much at all.

I am with you. I will send my wife and children to go live with family in a rural part of a majority white State, then I'll take up arms and organize with like minded individuals. Millions have spilled blood for liberty, it would be an honor to add mine to the fight.

I live in Massachusetts and want to get out of here.
What's a good state? I've only ever lived here.

Thinking the same thing. Had a talk with my wife yesterday about this. We talked about being neutral if the time came because of the kids, but I can't do it. They're going to live with family and I'm going full RWDS. It's the only option left if Hillary wins.

I want my children to live, but not in this new world that the ZOG are pushing. Even if we lose, I want my kids to know I went down fighting for what I believe in. Maybe it will inspire future generations or maybe I'll just be forgotten. At this point I truly no longer fear death and am willing to die fighting for the America I know.

(OP) If they are denied the fruits of the labor of those who produce, their 'perfect socialist society' has NOTHING. There will be no one to produce anything. That is when bread lines begin. At least this I have prepared for. The issue will be getting all of the productive individuals to be in lock-step with the non-violent economical protest. Perhaps it will be slightly different if they know that violent protest is not off the table.

If Hillary were to win, I would consider selling my business, becoming 100% debt free, and applying for every possible form of government aid that is available. The quicker this bullshit conceptual system collapses in on itself, the better. By taking from it and not supporting it, as is MY AMERICAN RIGHT!!! then it will accelerate the inevitable.

Maine is 95% white. Just stay away from Portland and Lewiston, that's where they keep the Somalis.hat's where they keep the Somalis.

Best plan IMO, if worse comes to worse.

Yes.

New Hampshire seems pretty good, too.

You can't keep running.

Maine voted against Trump. Fuck that cucked state.

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I can't keep living in my parents' house, either.

Isn't Seattle basically a socialist republic?

Protip, that image is fake bro.

The part in SW PA that's black, for example, is not 90% white non-Hispanic.
More like 82%.

Then grow up faggot.

Why do you think I want to leave Massachusetts, faggot?

Yes the cities here are pretty lib'd but when the fight comes we will drive them out. The Northwest republic will be huge.

I visited WA last summer, it's really a beautiful place. Definitely a possibility.

To run away, thinking you'll change if you change locales.

You won't, unless you go somewhere balls-out.

And if you're gonna do that, might as well just join the military tbh fam.

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I'm not trying to move to change myself by changing locations, I'm trying to move to a state that has lower taxes.

(OP) Looking better and better:

www.northwestfront.org

This

If Hillary wins, I will do everything in my power to get my state to secede. The south shall rise again and all that. We will not stand for this. We will fight for honor and glory just as our forefathers did.

Already live in Oregon… got the sticker on my car and everything, user. :)

For the revolution/civil war fags
Quick reminder that it won't be like the civil war of yesteryear, but more like Lebanon or Syria or Iraq

socialmatter.net/2016/04/22/the-u-s-a-cannot-balkanize/

socialmatter.net/2016/05/31/usa-cannot-balkanize-part-ii/

im voting for Hillary, so I guess I would just continue with day to day life

kill yourself

Personally, I don't know. I'm still fairly young (early 20s) and I plan to go into the medical field. I have two conditions for fighting:

1. Gun bans

2. WW3

Either of those things will get me actively fighting against the US gov. Before that, I'll probably save up a decent chunk of change and just drop of the radar entirely.

If it did come down to active resistance, I'll see if anybody has started a real, legit movement. If not, I'll just sabotage, disrupt, and subvert as much as I can until I die (I'm not going to prison).

Damn, really makes you think.

What are some good countries to emigrate to?

You always hear about immigration but I think we need to give emigration a chance. If the country refuses to unfuck itself, tell it to fuck off and find a better life for yourself.

You might be referring to this…

That's the image, yes.

I know you're trolling, but even if you did vote for Hillary things will not just continue to be the same.

Interesting and yeah shoots another bullet through that "muh state seceding" issue. Its gonna be total chaos without borders, just varying intensities of insurgency that will slowly coalesce into areas of dominance that change on a daily basis.

I hear Nambia is fine. Russia/EE is another place. You want a good exchange rate so you get the best price.

The white parts are over 90%

Why would anyone else secede, doofus? They support the Jewish state.

National polls literally don't matter. All that matters is winning the swing states.

I don't understand how we can say he's going to win when he's clearly not in favor at the moment.
I know Trump has said he hasn't started on Hillary yet, but he should, before it's too late.

I should probably go ahead and clarify somethings real quick.

As in gun confiscation similar to Australia.

Might as well throw in dollar/economic collapse in there too.

tbh 5 months out polls are useless for prediction. They're only useful for candidates. Hopefuly Trump is smart enough that he'll recover a bit in the next few weeks.

hopefully*

Stop being a faggot. He can be down 20% or more nationally, all that matters is the electoral college in swing states.

I haven't ever said he's going to win. I just hope.

RCP is fake though. Their polls have been skewed throughout the entire primary. They had Lyin Cruz ahead of Trump the for almost the whole run.

Yeah guns ban would do it for me too. Already told my work that if there's a gun ban I'm not coming in haha

Don't let the Holla Forums echo chamber fool you.
Most of us are intelligent people, but this is basically the Trump campaign's Ministry of Truth.
As much as we love him, it's quite possible that a lot of cuckservatives were as enthusiastic about the Rising Priesthood as we are about the promise of a Neue Reich.
I'm not saying the polls are accurate, it's just important to remember what our perspective is and what we're looking at.

I have my plan. I have access to a secure building. Thick stone and concrete, reinforced with one inch thick rebar spaced 1/2in apart. No windows, doors are heavy steel. I'm taking all my food and guns and turning it into an insurrectionist safehouse.

I'm part of a TRS group of goyim up in Washington. Who would be interested in a program to get fellow flashy goys up here? I have a spare bedroom that could fit a few bunk beds while you look for jobs.

Hillary will push for "common sense" gun reform ie make guns need a license and no mags greater than 5 rounds lmao. You won't revolt over that because it isn't outright confiscation huh, cuck. Oh and she will deploy troops into syria and ukraine probably and we will have a proxy war that is nearly ww3 but not outright enough for you and you won't do shit again because you're a cuck.

They don't even need to do that
Just make some changes that cause the price of guns and ammunition to climb even higher and you'll knock it out of the hands of most Americans

Guns are already a fairly expensive hobby as is

*sigh*
(OP)
And one bunker-buster and you are vapor.
Think that plan through.

lol

Here's all the Doom Jeb I have.

(OP) Doesn't have to be the price of guns. Just have every government bureaucracy continue to buy ammunition at a ridiculous and unusable rate. Drive the price of rounds to the point the public can't afford them….essentially what the are already doing. A car is useless to the masses if they can't afford gas. They won't risk outright confiscation until it is apparent that our guns have no bite from lack of ammunition.

No offense but the parentheses aren't necessary.

OP - Fair enough. Simply denoting it for my own personal preference. No more.

We need to focus on taking down the tech oligarchs like Google, Facebook, Twatter, and reddit who are in my opinion Hillary's biggest guns

replace them with platforms controlled by anti-globalist in our ranks (preferably)

In fact, all levels of society should be localized and decentralized

It's a hard thing.

My wife is dead and so I have nothing to live for and so I'd selfishly like to fight.

But I have small children that have no one but me. Maybe that's just a cowards excuse though.

Truth is they're going to boil us all slowly though. They're evil not stupid. They won't start with outright confiscation, just gradually curtail your rights until you have none. Gradually resettle section 8 in all your communities, continue to let the Hispanic population explode uncounted until they have the permanent majority.

There will never be the way where you wake up and should clearly choose to die against the tyranny. It's always going to be another step father and just a bit more of a slave than yesterday.

Make you participate in their lies and degradation and most won't have the moral authority to even complain anymore. At any given moment most of your friends and family will consider you a nut for responding.

Plus they maintain the prison system the way it is because a regular white man, however brave tends to lose heart when considering not dying in battle but getting locked in a cage with ten white hating black perverts as you age.

Much worse these dates befall your kids.

Frankly I'd leave and go somewhere, anywhere but I look at the map and don't see anywhere to go, plus I hate to leave our homeland and where family is buried to be overrun by the barbarians.

Eastern Europe is the best bet, but shit hits the fan globally and you'll just be a foreigner there and blood is always thicker.

I don't know. I think maybe the devil has won and we're looking at the conclusive fall of the remains of Christendom.

Really not trying to be defeatist here I'll do what I can for Trump, but honesty guys I'm afraid we're fucked.

Bumping this offer.

Yeah. Pretty much all of the old confederacyand then a few more all have an agreement, some unspoken, that if one secedes they will quickly follow.

The state-subsidized tech companies are only going to collapse when the government does. It's going to Like you say, things should be localized and decentralized. When there's no need for communication across a federally unified continent, there will be no monopolies on communication across the continent.

Thats what IDs are for

Remember: there are still 200,000,000 whites in the US. We have the bulk, regardless of what happens to the country. Borders can be redrawn. Mass migrations can happen.

Your hopes shouldn't be wed to the United States, but to the people themselves. Gain wealth and influence and start a big family with a girl who isn't a complete idiot.

How many of those whites aren't cucked?

Easier said than done, user.

My circumstances also mean I don't really belong with you guys, but rather elsewhere or nowhere. You can probably guess as to why.

psst there's this thing called Bitcoin that has kind of sparked a "decentralized all the things" revolution. These alternatives you hope for are coming. There's a book by Timothy May written in 1994 I think everyone on Holla Forums should read called the Cyphernomicon. It is probably the single most important book written in the last 50 years.

Culture doesn't change overnight. Look what Trump is doing with one election. Standing virtually alone.

It's a general ideal to strive for. Too many want to retreat innawoods and larp as lumberjacks. We can't reject the world, we need to thrive in it.

I don't know, you seem like an honorary Aryan to me.

No non-whites will be allowed in a white ethnostate. We can respect you from outside our borders, but the moment you try to settle our clay is when we stop being friends.

I agree, but most young women are terrible these days, and the ones that aren't would never date someone like me.
But that's neither here nor there.

I believe it's called Day Of The Rope,user.

This. Current migration waves show how incredibly fragile we are as a race.

Ideally, Europe, large parts of Russia, the United States, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and southern Brazil should become white ethnostates where only whites are allowed to live permanently, have citizenship, own property and vote.

tbh I think space colonization should be on our agenda. It's more realistic than reclaiming the whole of the West.

If only.

Does being an American born Greek/Slav qualify? Even despite the fact that a quarter of my family is kike (converted Jews, not ethnic)? I need somewhere to go, and the NW sounds like Valhalla to me.

Technology isn't at a level we can colonize space, and the cost is too much.

Basically if Hillary wins, we have no choice other than secession and we'll have to be willing to die to achieve it.

I was thinking more long term, but you're right.

What is the point of doing any of this if we are willing to allow some "good people" in. We will be doing the same thing in 50 years

The biggest issue to energy. If we can crack the energy generation and storage problem, space becomes feasible.

Anyway, I'm ready to secede personally. If the population is stupid enough to elect Hillary, then I don't see any point in continuing the US as is.

is energy*

The non-white electorate plays a big role in that too.

If I were truly an honorary aryan I wouldn't be living amongst actual ryans, but people closer to me genetically, of which there are very few and even fewer living together. I would live among you if I absolutely had to, with the only other alternative being certain death, but not if other options existed. Even then I'd aim to leave as soon as a window of opportunity presented itself. However that's not because I dislike anyone or anything, the reason is that I am able to only belong via ideas and principles, which would make both of us hypocrites and traitors to said ideas and principles if I were accepted in, even if I were granted aryan status or if it were determined that my ability to contribute outweighs my circumstantial differences. If I'm smart enough to post here and make decent statements, I should be just as able as anyone else to live okay either on my own, or with the few like me I'm able to find.

If what's left in life to live for disappears and I'm pretty much trapped between a rock and a hard place, I'm just gonna leave this world on the few remaining terms I have left, but I hope it doesn't come to that.

Depends on what type of greek. Some greeks can range from obviously white to turkroach shitskin, so it's a mixed bag. Slavs are white.

If your family was converted jews but not ethnic jews, then you're fine (as long as you're not a practicing jew yourself, which you clearly aren't)

One of my oldest and most trust worthy friends is black. He's more of a polack than half the fucks here, and he is completed hated by other black people.

Color itself isn't a good determination of what constitutes a "good person" so I don't agree with the only white bullshit. I know plenty of white people are just as fucked up as niggers.

Most of them yes. They are uneducated, ignorant, and low intelligence.

An ethno-state isn't about letting in good people, it's about letting in members of an ethnic group.

Which is a shit filtering mechanism, but you're than welcome to accept all the fucked up white people we don't want who get filtered out by other means.

Fuck off with your civcuck nationalism, you dirty kike-enabler. Our nation will be for whites only so we can reach our full potential as a race, unified by our shared blood and struggle as a people over the millennia, and defined by our greater European civilization. Niggers have no place here, because they do not qualify on any of those levels

I don't care whether your friend is a nigger rocket engineer. He has no place in our white nation. A nation is defined by more than just how smart you are. It's about brotherhood and family. Niggers share none of that with us. They have to go.

I'm just pointing out what "ethno-state" means.
It's impossible to have a society that consists entirely of aristocrats.

was there ever an attempt?

I don't necessarily desire an all-white republic. I desire a place where all individuals have the same set of ideals and morals. Where we all intrinsically know which bathroom to use. Where the term 'safe space' means a trouble room inside your home. Where a border is an actual line of demarcation and there is no grey area with regard to it. Where illegal means inherently punishable, and is not a state of residency. Where I know that 80% of the population, is armed at any given time, and no one cares….in fact, the majority prefers it! Where we, as a nation, do not spend more than we take in. Where my nation is not a trillion+ dollars in debt, yet still gives billions to illegitimate nations that then turn and use that funding against us. Where we identify our enemies and recognize them for what they are and treat them accordingly. And recognize OUR ALLIES for what they are and respect them accordingly!! Offer praise to those on the planet that want to destroy everything we are.

Tired of this shit man. TIRED, TIRED, TIRED!

Don't even try your weak shit powers on me faggot, you want all whites? Fine, we'll send every fucked white nigger we have to your white utopia. Every white that doesn't agree with your "whites" only bullshit can stay with us if they want.

There would be no one to clean up shit.

oh, you know exactly (((why))).

Well that's a relief.

Also, we're white greeks - I wouldn't even bother asking if I was a roach, user. Got stuck with nigger eyes, unfortunately. All the blue eyes went to my cousins.

Also as far as I know, my grandfather's side of the family was converted Jew generations ago and of course my father followed suit as that's the religion he grew up with. But naturally I don't practice any of that shit, and typically I lean more towards the catholic traditions of my mother's side - if anything.

I was just worried about going all the way NW just to get shunned out of there. Good to hear it can work out for me if shit goes haywire this November.

It's analytic, faggot. A state can't function if everyone is just doing what aristocrats do. The peasants, warriors, merchants, and bureaucrats serve vital functions. Problems emerge when one class outsteps its bounds, forgets its function, and abuses its power.

So you want a predominantly white state.

This guy gets it.

If you know, please explain.

So you're a naive civic "nationalist" who wants to create a nation without first understanding the building blocks on which a successful nation is built. Got it.

A nation does not exist without a unified racial/cultural identity. Otherwise it's just a soulless patch of land defined by a specific political system and economic policy with a bunch of random people living in it. Go white or go bust. Nothing less will suffice

And the shitskin outs himself. Nice job pretending to have "a redpilled black friend" you lying cunt.

I'll happily take all the "white niggers" you talk about and reform them with military training and discipline, teaching them to be honorable servants of their people. I will reignite the flame of racial pride that was denied to them. We can get by without you shitskins like we've always done. We do not need you. We do not want you.

You're fine by me, user. Welcome to the h'wite club

It's the Jews, who pushed black slavery in the New World and who are now pushing Islamic immigration. They're also demanding that we open our borders to Mexicans.
Don't you love diversity?

The only time we can decently live in a multiethnic state is if every ethnicity differed only in skin color and facial features, and even that is debatable. As you can see, Africans are not just Europeans with dark skin, Indians are not Europeans with dark skin, Asians are not just like Europeans and vice versa. Nobody wants to become more like Europeans too, so the idea of everybody coexisting within the same borders is just a currently falling apart idea.

First we have to have all the others each catch up and become better peoples of their own volition and their own ability alone before we can consider borders accepting anyone, even including tourists and visitors. At the point however that we can truly call nonwhites as advanced, intelligent, and decent as whites, the desire to comingle with whites would be reduced, and we wouldn't really need anything more than the ability to communicate at long distances, since the internet and mail prove that we don't need to be living within the same home to discuss things and share ideas.

The end game then, is complete racial cleansing? The final solution? Not being sarcastic.

See you are already looking at it wrong. Yes, there is a huge problem with whites as well. The point is to has HAC would put it "to fix our character problem"

I have friends and even family (sister in law's husband, best friends wife) who are chink and nigger. I'm sorry but they won't be allowed to own land or become citizens.

The end game is a separate nation-state.
This is literally a thread about secession.
Are you illiterate?

I'm as white as they come, I'm from THE SOUTH.

Well, Dr. William Luther Pierce was talking shit about Trump 17 years ago, saying back then he was kosher and so on. So whatever you have planned to do if Hilary wins wont be too different if Trump wins.

That's fine, I think when the US breaks up you can start your whitetopia national socialist dream.

I plan on living in the LIBERTARIAN NATIONALIST country.

If that was a realistic solution, then yes. That should be our final goal.

Unfortunately for us whites, seems to be the only likely solution. Secession first, reconquista and ethnic cleansing second

So you're a nigger.

Non-whites hate freedom, though.

things that don't exist: the post

Does this mean non-whites should deport whites living in their nations so as long we take them in?

I've been called a redneck, but surprisingly never a nigger because I'm white.

Things that will exist: the future.

what is a joke?

this user is just a muxblood mongrel shitskin who's mad we don't want want him in our ethnostate.

Well that would be in their racial interests.

(wasted quads)
Well you might as well be a nigger, considering you want to populate your nation with them.

cuckchan faggots like you need to leave

Cascades or some shit? Open boarders IS the libertarian migration policy.

I have no problem with ALL blacks, there are a few that are based and nationalist. You're more than welcome to take the rest as slaves.

I've been here since the first exodus faggot.

99% anti-immigration is the libertarian nationalist policy. Unless they are highly educated they can fuck off, but we'll take all those engineers, PhDs, scientists, etc. I don't give a fuck what color they are in that regard.

because most don't know her policies, they just think "it's time to support a woman as president". Because that's what the TV told me to do!

The vast majority of Hillary voters and supporters don't even know what she actually stands for. They're basically drones.

what's going to happen to him? Will he just leave the United States? And if so where does he go?

Do you think any other members of his family will try to run for president?

Nationalism does not exist without a racial component, you mindless mongrel. "civic" nationalism is a kike lie and is no more than soulless state-worship. Niggers will always be of inferior racial stock and do not belong in any white nation regardless of how "based" they are.

All those brilliant niggers you import will just end up having kids who feel entitled to the nation and demand further non-white immigration. Before you know it, you're right back in the same situation. A nation is more than just how smart you are, you cucked mental reject. It's about shared blood, identity and history. Niggers have nothing of that in common with whites, thus whatever "nation" you make will be an artificial shitshow and failure.

Would you at least support it being an almost entirely white nation, with white interests first in mind?

Seattle is the most liberal fricking city around, everybody there is trying to get as many refugees settled as possible.

the hell is wrong with you?

If you want to qualify "nationalism" as "white nationalism" then sure, but "nationalism" alone doesn't have a racial component.

Sure, I think it will turn out that way anyway overtime, small percentages of minorities, overwhelming white.

I wouldn't put race as a "interest" first systemic mechanism, everyone in the country would be treated by the law equally. The second you change that dynamic, your open the doors to destroying your own country,

you open*

I would say I think it would probably work, but I feel like breeding would still be a problem. You could sterilize people who come in, but then it probably wouldn't be considered a libertarian nation anymore.

yes it does, you dense idiot. "Nationalism" is inseparable from the racial/ethnic component, because a multiracial nation is an oxymoron. Without shared race, culture, history, or identity, there is no nation whatsoever. All you have is a bunch of random people living in a random location. A multiracial nation is a kike lie that you've bought into hook line and sinker. You either have a nation, which refers to a shared race, culture, history, and identity, or you have degenerate race-blind state-worship materialism.

There would be some marginal race mixing, but that's the freedom people have. It wouldn't be encouraged, but the state wouldn't be involved. Maybe some guy wants an asian wifu, that's entirely his freedom to decide.

Nation (from Latin: natio, "people, tribe, kin, genus, class, flock")

Retard

So "white nationalism" = "nationalism"?

Sounds like your hamster wheel is spinning like a leftist bitch trying to justify their insanity.

Yea I can play the definition post game as well:

na·tion·al·ism
ˈnaSH(ə)nəˌlizəm/
noun
noun: nationalism

patriotic feeling, principles, or efforts.
synonyms: patriotism, patriotic sentiment, flag-waving, xenophobia, chauvinism, jingoism
"their extreme nationalism was frightening"
an extreme form of this, especially marked by a feeling of superiority over other countries.
plural noun: nationalisms
advocacy of political independence for a particular country.

Ethnic cleansing is only necessary with the inherently belligerent and malicious ethnicities who insist on trying to coexist or conquer other groups. I for one would rather leave peacefully by myself or with my own, so unless I'm being a total dog-eating gook, dindu, or whatever and I'm not holding a piece of land that others are very willing to fight for, I would have only nature itself to worry about. I doubt anyone here would seek for racial extermination, but rather being left alone. If you've noticed, this thread and its concerns about ethnostates within the US, not going to places like China and slaying slanteyes until there's enough room to settle.

In your nation, each citizen would require some sort of immediate physical identifying feature in order to help produce a sense of belonging and togetherness. You don't have to look at yourself in mirrors and photos to know that you are different from the other people within your nation. That alone can hamper things. I myself am mixed, and the same feeling of unbelonging will occur to the people of even a civic nationalist state, but worse. At least I can primarily identify as one of the races that compose my body and possibly have it work out with the people I am more similar to, you identifying as whatever race you are will not help if very few people within your nation who share the same genes and culture. I was born in America and lived like an American for all of my life, so it's hard to say if I even really share a culture with my faintly genetic brothers.

This. If niggers were so brilliant and there's enough brilliant niggers out there, then surely if they had an ethnostate then they'd be up to par with Europeans, and thus they shouldn't be living with non-niggers. If this were the case, then like I've said before, there'd still be less need for a multiethnic state anyways.

You're a dense fucking idiot. Nationalism doesn't have to be white nationalism, but nationalism is inseparable from the ethnic component, because a nation itself does not exist without a single ethnic and cultural identity

Christ almighty. Go back to Reddit if you're going to be this much of a good goy tool.

The idea would be to maximize civil liberty while maximizing nationalist pride. I think that is sufficient. Although I think scientific and technological advanced with a goal to conquer space would do the trick as well.

Can someone eleborate on what they mean by "racial nationalism"? Does this mean nations that can only include a specific ethnicity(s)? (Germany for Germans for example) Or is it on a race basis where even Albanians (who are europeans) can settle on white land. In the case of America/Canada and Australia, can any white be allowed to enter? Or will demographics be mostly focused on the people who colonized those places? Lastly, is white just restricted to Europeans? Will white looking Hispanics and Middle Easterners be allowed in future white nations?

Well perhaps you should send your hamster wheel musings to the dictionary keepers and stop crying like a bitch.

advancement* fucking typos

Checked. I'm genuinely curious about this, since I used to be a libertarian and don't get to talk with many these days. In the CURRENT YEAR in say, the U.S. or European countries, how would a libertarian society be achieved? I imagine that just taking away welfare wouldn't clean out enough of the undesirables.

Pride in what? You're a civcuck nationalist who wants to populate your nation with shitskins as long as they're "the good kind". topkek

People will have nothing to be proud of in your shitshow of a nation.

wew lad.

notanargument.jpg

wait for hitler

or make one

We don't want a libertarian society, we want a libertarian NATIONALIST society. Libertarianism is pure fantasy bullshit that will never work in reality. Libertarian Nationalism makes it feasible.

Libertarians -> open borders, small/no military
Libertarian Nationalists -> closed borders with an extremely restrictive immigration system, large military to destroy anything that even thought about attacking us.

The large military works in multiple facets because it also drives technological advancement on research.

There would also be no welfare, the government would have very strict enumerated powers. If people wanted welfare, it would have to be provided by choice at the community level.

oh and anyone who works for government, as condition of their employment, if found guilty of corruption / attempted corruption => mandatory death penalty.

This doesn't exist. Libertarianism is the antithesis to nationalism. They are diametrically opposed. You can't just slap to completely different ideologies together and claim it as your special snowflake title. Fuck off

please don't be so blatantly retarded.

Welfare is fine though, as long as it's limited and kept within the context of a racially homogeneous society.

Take your cancerous race-blind materialist ideology and shove it up your ass.

I don't think he was saying All nationalism is white nationalism. If you live in an Asian country and are nationalist then you are a __ nationalist

This is also not libertarian in any way

it doesn't exist yet and no they are not mutually exclusive. Look I get it, a lot of you think it's incompatible because you have cognitive dissonance, if you fucks spent any time actually looking at it from a systems design perspective it would make perfect sense.

So fuck you, it exists because I say it does. You can bitch and whine all you want saying it doesn't, but the irony of you bitching about something that doesn't exist is delicious.

It's entirely libertarian. People have the choice to not work for the government. If they choose to work, then it should be for the country, not for themselves. They don't want to die because they are corrupt? Well then it's best they don't work for the government.

You need a strong deterrent to prevent corruption, hanging these corrupt fucks in public as traitors does that.

Even in space we would still recognize ethnic differences. No amount of science and technology can change that. We're far more advanced than people of previous generations, and we still reocgnize ethnic differences. The only way to change this is to have mankind go against an enemy of an entirely different species, like Starship Troopers or Gears of War.

Even then that only changes the order of the list of concerns. The second we put alien races into a less worrisome state, or establish human homogenity, we would still be concerned about ethnic homogenity.

Maine is being flooded with Muslims. A lot of the old New England mill towns are. Even Alaska is getting enriched with them.

The whiteman is all out of places to run. Big data and HUD are using shitskins as weapons against white community's. And making the whiteman fund it.

Any alien race would wipe us out of existence. If they've conquered space travel, that means they have energy sources we can't even imagine yet. We'd be completely fucked.

Either way, this notion of a whitetopia emerging is never going to happen.

Yes they are. Libtertarianism is a specific ideology with a specific set of tenets that are incompatible with nationalism. As soon as libertarianism stops following these principles, it ceases to be libertarianism.

Learned a new word on Holla Forums today, did ya sonny?

No it wouldn't. Libertarianism is a materialist kike ideology that tries to apply economic principles to society at large. There is nothing of value to be gained from such a shit system. Nationalism entails placing oneself and ones own personal interests beneath the interests of his people and the collective and nation.

Behold: the intellectual level of a redditor.

I think everyone is missing a simple thing. If the Cunt is elected, it is WW3 nuclear boogaloo probably before she takes office or pretty shortly thereafter.

I have a strong suspicion that the Russians may take out the US with glorious nuclear fire since a Cunt presidency would guarantee WW3 anyway on her terms, not theirs.

So if you live rural (which is still significantly white) you survive and rebuild. If you are in a multi-ethnic paradise (aka City) you are ash and all of your problems are solved anyway. Win Win.

And before the "Russians wouldn't start a War with US" look up the new RS-28 Sarmat that they are presently fielding. They (wisely) are getting ready for it, and the only thing We have to fall back on is the niggers $1 Trillion dollar disarmament/upgrade he's quietly done for 7 years.

mirror.co.uk/tech/russia-test-unstoppable-satan-2-7935675

index.heritage.org/military/2015/chapter/us-power/us-nuclear-weapons-capability/scoring-u-s-nuclear-weapons-capabilities/

If Trump loses, you keep fighting. Everyone needs to keep fighting. Would you rather die for something you belive, or live like a cuck for the rest of your days?

How does the idea of having a free market with small government for a white ethno state not make sense??? Makes sense to me.

It could either function through a dictator like Pinochet, or start off with a constitution that explicitly states only white males can vote, only whites can come into the country, etc. And at least the slate would be refreshed.

Why hope for the rocks to be not so jagged when you can steer the ship away?

I have degrees in EE and math, pretty sure my education blows your tard level thought processes out of the water. You aren't even at my level.

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As an Ausfag, my outsider opinion is that you wait 4 years for Hillary to fuck things up. All Trump has to do is wait.

And how do you propose such a state is built? You would need to literally round up everyone who isn't white and either deport them or kill them all. The logistics of such a process as the foundation of a new country are absolutely retarded.

Secession if a Democrat wins in 2016.

And then:

A constitutional prohibition on gun free zones.

A constitutional guarantee on all weapons and ammunition outside of chemical and nuclear weapons.

Property ownership requirements to vote.

Run-off elections to reduce the voting for the lesser of two evils, and to relegate the Democrat Party to fringe party status.

Term limits for all public officials, including judges/justices.

Paper ballot only voting, with the ballots kept under video surveilled (live streamed to the internet) military and civilian guard until an election has been certified.

A constitutional ban on Islam.

A constitutional ban on gay marriage and gay adoption.

A constitutional ban on abortion except when the life of the mother is threatened, as decided by a panel of surgeon generals.

A constitutional prohibition against all forms of welfare and subsidies.

A constitutional prohibition against progressive rates of taxation.

I really need to get back making threads about the finer points of civil conflict.

For everyone suggesting that there will be state successions and large, rouge state actors fighting the central government/executive branch, the chances of such a thing happening are ridiculously low. But they're the best chance of a clean, definitive success.

For the people saying to concentrate in a certain geographical area (NWF) with fellow whites and try to launch a Chechnya-style ethnic revolt, I will remind you you're dealing with psychopathic kikes. If they wanted to wipe 10s of millions whites with a few nukes, they would do so and face little to no backlash from nations that would be able to do anything about it. I will also remind you that Chechnya isn't independent and instead cut deals with the Russians, and there is still plenty of sporadic violence in the region.

So that leaves us with a few choices:

Downsides are numerous to this approach, and most have been discussed in past threads and posts. I'll start another thread soon if I feel there is an interest.

As an aside, I will note that this level of violence will require at least a few rebel organizational structures that currently don't exist (or I don't know about them if they do).

Rather than moving to the NW, we create right-wing enclaves in various strategically-important cities throughout the US. As the US gradually declines in status under liberalism, these enclaves will become more important and will eventually either be fought over militarily or be cleansed completely and turned into a foundation for a larger nation to be built on.

We wait for or create another Bundy Ranch style event, and rather than stare/yell at the cops, we actually do something/force them to do something, forcing a flashpoint. Will be less practical as more time passes and the country decays faster and faster.

What it says on the box. You're at the mercy of the machine. If widespread thought control is implemented (in the form of legal punishments for "hate speech"), this scenario becomes almost impossible without violence.

I just recently started thinking about all of this. We should probably maintain a regular thread concerning these topics if we want to get serious. Problem is all these feds/shills hanging around wanting to earn their paycheck by getting some autist to go full GTKRWN.

Come to South America, probably the last place in the world where SJW's are still a minority.

I'd would say that people should have to take exams to be eligible to vote. We don't want morons who can't do math voting just because they own a trailer and a small plot of land.

South America is a fucking socialist shit hole, all those 3rd world shit holes are socialist minded.

Embarrassing. You might want to actually check the definition of "cognitive dissonance" before you start spouting it like a newfag idiot.

Jesus Christ user, if you're going to make a fantasy list of thins that'll never happen, at least make it uncucked and pro-white. You had one job.

After the theoretical civil war in USA. Or on an artificial island, like bioshock. Or in space!

My argument is just that it is not a contradicting idea if what he means by "libertarianism" is a state which follows free market principles. I also think it would it would be the ideal government.

Now, people who call themselves anarcho-socialists, they are full of shit, those are contradicting labels. There is no authority to take away peoples stuff to give to others (socialism) under anarachy, so it makes no sense.

Yep that's the idea. After the first few times I'm sure many will take the hint

What's your education in? Do you even have a degree? I'm proud of my education.

god damn you're an embarrassment

Fall back on the original plan, push the left even farther left until it all collapses

They don't think at that level from what I've seen. They focus on the where, not the how. If they actually put time into thinking about how they would accomplish such a goal, they would quickly realize how and what they would have to be willing to do to achieve it.

They're like sales fags who promise a customer everything under the sun, and the engineers have to tell the sales fag to fuck off with their bullshit.

Well at least that's what I think.

I don't believe Kek is going to let Trump lose though.

Dubs say Trump wins and quit worrying.

We should make a deal with the lefty socialist true believers:
1. We get an independent Texas with closed borders, free markets, anti degeneracy, only white people.
2. They get Vermont, they get to institue "true" socialism and get to create their commie paradise.

Everybody would win, why cant we compromise?

fuuuuggggg

Hey if you're embarrassed by your education or lack thereof that's fine. World needs ditch diggers and plebs to toil in the bowels of the machine.

do you even have an argument? Or are you just going to spout obtuse and irrelevant bullshit instead?

We genetically engineer a virus that kills shitskins

Trips confirm?

guess not

Just wait for hitler goyim :^)

The irony burns all those that witness your post. People such as yourself are the grease that keeps civilization going.

Keep embarrassing yourself

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And if we fight against it they label us 'right wing extremist terrorists'

I really can't believe it's ending this way, but it looks to be the case. It's a protracted version of Adolf's lament in 1945, which sounded petty at the time, but modern history shows to be far too prescient - if the people won't fight for their future they deserve this fate.

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Absolutely not. Your parents gave you the immense privilege of growing up a pure-blooded white, why deprive your children of that right?

Mixing whites with any other race (niggers, spics, chinks) always produces brown mongrels who have no ethnic identity. Even though these demon spawns are smarter than your average shitskin, they're always inferior to a pure white.

Miscegenation is unacceptable under any circumstances.

What reason would I have to cry? You've done nothing other than spout idiotic opinions (which I refuted) and throw out irrelevant insults in place of actual arguments.

GO HOME JEB AND TAKE YOUR GUAC BOWL WITH YOU

More than you actually think. SJWs and the like only exist in colleges or on either coast.

Listen here faggots

We do what we have always been doing, and should be doing. Awakening people to the truth.
If we would be focusing all our attention to this, we would get much further.
Trump has been a good tool for this, since we can discuss these things and not get called a "radical nazi" since normie thinking is that "If most people believe this, maybe I should too."
So If Trump loses we can start redpilling the Trump supporters who are not yet awoken on the Jew.
We should take the opportunity at every turn, and if you are a defeatist faggot, you should go Varg style and establish a white family in the woods (Tho even Varg is putting out videos trying to reach out to people.)

If Trump loses holy emperor forgive me for thinking this heresy we should start real shootings and terrorist acts attacking not the one staged by the government the power grid and other vital structures are best targets because if this SJW intensity continues we are already dead we have nothing to lose and nothing to fear if we are not prepared to make sacrifices we do not deserve to live in a good future and we truly deserve to be erased

“Those who want to live, let them fight, and those who do not want to fight in this world of eternal struggle do not deserve to live.”

FUCK OFF

Don't say "usted", that is the respectful way of talking to a person in Spanish (formal), say "tu tienes que" instead, it's informal so you don't sound like a fucking retard.

What you're basically saying is, "Please leave, thou hast to return!"

Keep calm and exterminate Satan's minions. That's what we all must do.

"If the Jews win, Humanity will Perish."
-Der Stuermer, Feb. 1943

Don't know how many times I have to clearly state it before it sinks in.
If Trump isn't elected, the US goes byebye, both from within, and (mainly) from Vlad (and he will take out Israel in the same exact manner at the same time).

Thing is this. Revelation says it's going to happen no matter what, it's already been meme'd, and if you understand anything about memes, understand that this meme is the most powerful, this is something that's been building up for over 2000 years, so get your asses into dankness because we're gonna be in for one comfy ride.

My divination has informed me that 9/11 is when their desperation wins out and Trump gets stumped, thus beginning zero hour.

topkek. You actually believe Putin is anti-israel? What world do you live in?

nations are defined by blood, go look up the etymology of the word

There is

no

escape.

don't you mean"what the hell is wrong with THEM"?

I imagine it'll be worked out at the time

I kind of agree, but to play doubles advocate, couldn't we take the things we like from libertarianism, such as promoting individual freedoms unless infringing on others, small government, and add a nationalist element, with strong borders and no immigration that doesn't suit us?

The plan so far is we all move to alaska and secede

republics don't fly so good.

why not? why so defeatist? we had them for thousands of years, why not again?

The one where bolshevism genocided 100million Russians. What about you? what world do you live in?

some would say that the USA was libertarian from 1776 to 1933, and that the kikes have subverted it, like they subverted xtianity into being pro-isreal

what's wrong with getting waht you work for, spending it how you like, taking care of your family and giving charitably to those who need it in your community? you know, like it used to be a hundred or so years ago

so it's collectivism? anti-freedom?

dictatorships tend to be tyrannical

tyranny is bad for innovation and quality of life

you don't have to round them up, just make it known that their best interests lie elsewhere

I'dd add cases of rape(no point rewarding rapists), and disabled(sounds harsh, but they have terrible lives and lower their family's quality of life significantly)

OMG this guy has a degree, everyone bow down and worship his superiority cos he spent a few dollars and has a piece of paper

As many have stated. The plan is already clear the Northwest imperative is the answer. The group lives by the 14 words and that's what's important

well said

adding some manure to ice cream doesn't improve the ice cream, but it sure as heck improves the manure

Also the world where US/Israel destabilized Iraq Libya and most importantly Syria and constantly shitflinging Iran, while building missile defense networks and military bases just outside of Russia, and destroying the rouble with endless sanctions bullshit. I don't know buddy, you tell me why Putin is in any way beholden to them? Also because all jews are the same and want the same thing right? Because russian jews are israeli jews are american jews are all one big happy family who agree on everything and never fight, right?

Cheer up. It's not over until it's over. Caesar is coming.

We spend the rest of our lives going "I told you so" in ever increasingly justified amounts. Mocking and ridiculing everything, down to the very cores of humanity which provoked this clusterfuck in the first place.
A clusterfuck which we are all far more likely to survive, because we've been expecting it this whole time and have had time to psychologically and physically, I hope prepare.

We can sit and watch the best laid plans of our enemies crumble into nothing, enjoying daily happenings and replying to every cry for help with
While enjoying whatever the fuck we feel like, because it doesn't even matter anymore.

I don't think that sounds so bad, do you?
And remember, this is only the worst case scenario.

Seattle, Eastern and urban Washington must burn.

Then we will be free.

Yes Seattle does happen to be in the pnw

How about if Trump wins, but any of the following happens:
1) Sells out and reneges on his promises to the voters

2) Is blocked by a Paul Ryan-led Congress that doesn't allow the Wall™ to be built or a ban on mudslim immigration

3) demoncrats take congress — same as #2 but w/ demoncrat control

Total war?

Basically we become an army of Ron Pauls

we're not buying all these guns and ammunition for nothing. fuck you feds. traitors to your own people. if there is an afterlife, how pathetic looking back on your life will be.

Switzerland isn't bad. Taxes are higher but they told refugees and the EU alike to fuck off, and there's a strong tradition of national service.

run

Should Trump lose, secession will be the only semi realistic option.

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The northwest front is literally the only option we have left. I'm just praying for a trump presidency so we can get 4-8 years of stability so I can get my affairs in order and finally move the fuck out there.