This movie was terrible, like an over extended episode of Star Trek...

And even conservatives would be ok. With this. Except for the part wehere whites become genocide victims.

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nah they had their own experts, and both Russia and China were able to communicate pretty easily with the squids, they just reacted differently to what they got. Also the other nations had already made a lot of headway before she showed up. She just got lucky with discovering they had written language.
The cancer baby was born after the aliens left.
Anyway, the movie wasn't that shit. I went in thinking it was going to be some pretentious shit with the alien stuff as background, and ended up with a decent sci-fi movie.
[/spoiler]inb4 normalfag. I got more than I expected, which wasn't much, but I enjoyed it more than the majority of shit released in 2016[/spoiler]

What about the Star Trek movies user? :^)

I really fucked those spoilers up

I just saw Passengers and I thought the average NEET would love this movie. You, the NEET, are all alone on a space ship with all the tendies you can eat. But you get lonely and there is no porn or anime to whack off to. Just wake up a 3d waifu! She will naturally fall in love with you because you are the only man alive.

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Who would want Jennifer Lawrence as a waifu?

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Why would I listen to the opinion of someone who couldn't even understand what was happening at a basic level.

To be fair, half of america doesn't know how to write or speak american.

If you check the IMDB page, 90% the user reviews are either 10/10 or 1/10. It sounds like there was a massive false review campaign. Pic related.

I've only seen Interstellar and The Martian. I plan on keeping it that way.
The martian is as they say, Reddit: The Movie. Holy shit was that cancer. From the text "everyone lived happily ever after" ending, the misplaced American patriotism and the "stick it to the man" mentality. Right after Interstellar which had the same actor in the same fucking role.

It's always impressive to see someone sperg out about a relatively simple movie which he obviously didn't understand.
I guess that's why movies need to spell out literally everything these days for retards like you.

All of them were able to talk to the aliens by themselves. Russia and China where just as far with their translations as she was, they only interpeted it differently, which is perfectly understandable when you figure out a new language.

She got the kid in the future. The point was that she was beginning to comprehend a non-linear language without past, present or future.

Why? A language based on mathematical priciples is entirely possible and has been done. The only leap here is that theirs is based on Fermats principle, Quantum Mechanics and Relativity.
That's leagues above "lover conquers everything" from Interstellar.

Is that louis ck?

But user, it has such memorable lines like
"We're gonna have to science the shit out of this thing."

DUDE GEEKS LMAO

I don't understand how this makes a language that allows you to time travel not retarded, explain yourself.

Do the aliens kill him or some shit.

Then why have the kid with Renner? That's a little insane to have a child with a rare and incurable disease! No wonder he…left her…
WAIT! did this movie take a stance against single mother parenting?!

STEM SO HIP

We know this one won't win any awards.

How were they able to travel forward in time then?

They didn't time travel, what the fuck are you even talking about?
The movie plays with the theory of linguistic relativity and implies that if anybody would be able to develop a non-linear language it would change his perception of linear time.

That theory is pretty much Science-Magic but so is everything related to quantum mechanics.

It's time travel, it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, it's a duck and that duck is time travel.

I guess you're just not smart enough user.
But that's okay nobody is judging you.

The Martian is literally Reddit the movie. A science black man even saves the day.

it fucking pounds you over the head explaining what it happen

the first line of the fucking movie is "my memories don't work like I thought they did"

your a dumb ass, it's not time travel its she just saw her memories that didn't happen yet . . she saw the future. seeing the future and going to the future are two different things.

all of those movies are literally reddit the movie

It really spells out everything yet we have several anons in this very thread who still didn't get it.
Quite sad actually.

So let me get this straight. Aliens came back from the year 5000 to give future predicting abilities to some random woman who will have a child that's gonna die of cancer. The reason for giving her the powers to predict the future and understand the language from fucking 5000 years in the future is… a gift. Why the fuck would they do that, why the year 2016, why a random mother.

If the movie is honestly like this interpretation then it's completely stupid and has no fucking direction and is pretentious as fuck. Is this for real, what the fuck?

is okay, promotes libral values
5 oscars

But seriously, is my interpretation correct? I cannot get over how stupid that is. Why on fucking earth would aliens from 3000 years in the future go to a random time in the 2000s to give future predicting abilities and the ability to understand future aliens to a single mother who is going to have a child with cancer? What does that accomplish? Holy shit.

Was this written by a feminist and a 3rd grader?

She taught other people to read, you dumb fuck.

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She taught people how to read a language that's used 3000 years in the future? Ok? Explain yourself, why is this important.

If it's pretentious, yes.

Whoever learns the language, learns to see the future like she did. She wrote a book and gave classes teaching other autistic people to read, and to see the future. The human species will in time become precognitive / non-linear as their own species, and able to help them in the incoming issue they colonized us to help them with.

The future language is the current language that's expressed 10 times more quickly (as said in the movie). Now, why are humans squids in 3000 years, how do people become the ultimate life forms due to 10x faster communication, and why would they go back to the past to explain the language to themselves if the time is non linear? Still makes no sense.

No, the movie did not say any of that. The heptapods are not humans from the future, or even from the future. They are 4D beings.

Haven't seen the movie, but maybe they're going with a similar logic to what the Japanese do with counting.

They're known for being able to add up numbers extremely quickly and many point towards how they state numbers in Japanese where instead of saying nineteen they'd say one nine. It can seem a bit trippy since they're adding up the places of numbers rather than the whole numbers, so in a way you could view that as thinking out the problem non-linearly as they're adding up the random places instead.

There's also the concept from Orwell's 1984 where people's thinking was limited by limiting language, so conversely you could theorize it being possible to expand a person's thinking by expanding their language.

I don't remember the movie having any dialogue about fast language, but the last paragraph is correct.

The movie even cites Sapir-Whorf hypothesis directly.

Then let's start from the beginning.

Heptapods are beings that "transcend time and space" and their time is non linear, meaning whatever the fuck they want. They can jump from a timeline to timeline, or time is not a straight line and can changed at any time.

Heptapods traveled to 2016 to teach humans a language, and the importance of language, that will help them 3000 years in the future. Instead of teaching humans the language they spent about 2 months barely teaching humans the basics. They choose an average language professor and gave the ability to see the future, for whatever fucking reason (learning a language shouldn't make you able to predict the future, be it from 100000 years in the future or not).

For a very random reason the way the beings decide to leave earth and make the professor understand their purpose… they transfer the memories of a Chinese General's dead wife and make her call the General to stop China from attacking the spaceship.

In the end we are told that even if we know that we are gonna die or fail we should still try and live, and that language is very important to humans. Fuck this movie and fuck whoever had this idea. I could've come up with 10 different useful reasons for why beings would come to earth, and they choose that.

Well, I get what you're saying but it's beyond suspension of disbelief to think that the alphabet of those strange beings would help humans. Humans would not be able to communicate in that way at all. What are they supposed to do, do motions with their fingers?

More like, 'time is their space'. They move between 'futures'(4D) as we move between places (3D).

The language is what makes her capable of seeing the future. Based on Sapir-Whorf theory, a japanese person perceives the world, think and feel differently from an american person due to how the languages work differently. Learning the alien language, she learns to think like the heptapods, hence, learns to see time non-linearly as they do.

She is only the first to manage to learn it, being language gifted, the knowledge is now in our culture and will spread and be passed around, in hundreds of years humanity will have evolved in another 4D species, which existing helps them somehow.

They did not give a fuck about this at all. No attack would even matter to them. All they cared is 'any' human learned the language, this changed the future the way they wanted.

I think it's bad writing to try and make me assume that if you perceive things differently you can freely alter matter around you or you suddenly have intelligence that usually takes years of experience to gather through tests and effort. For me it's a huge jump in logic to think that if you can perceive time differently you can also influence it. Also, if time is non linear I fail to see why would anyone from the future help themselves at an early point in time.

I understand that no attack matter to them but how did the beings know about the last words of the general's wife? This sort of knowledge almost assumes those beings have god like powers, so it would be useless for them to even help humans (or help themselves) in the past.

Why would the beings not say, "Language, technology, learn, future, time" or something like that? I think the movie is trying too hard to be vague.

Wow, even the film's own poster is asking why anyone bothered making this shit.

What you thought was obligatory depressing flashbacks were actually visions of the future. Leading you to wonder why the protagonist was so depressed at the start.

Before I even watched it I was getting nasty Interstellar vibes from the film. But I wasn't expecting the film to pull the exact same time-loop bullshit and for it to be even more hamfisted than in Intersteller.

They didn't. She could see her own timeline non-linearly. The aliens only taught her the language.

I assume their 'enemy' (or problem) is also in the 4D reality, not a single specific future, but in the range of possible futures. They can see the problem, but they are limited to how much them alone can influence it. So they get more people to help them influence it.

It was decent, but the twist was eh, and I didn't like that China and Russia were the default bad guys. Get some originality, (((Hollywood))), it's not like we want to go back into cold war, right? right?
It'd have made more sense if Venezuela pushed for that. They could've shoehorned Cuba and best Korea so that the trifecta of absolute evil was the antagonist, along with generic military dumb guys. After all, even in the midst of the Cold War Russia and USA had some scientific collaboration.

It's not. To each his own, but it didn't strike me as a good concept. Especially since it went with first contact in a hard-ish sci-fi way, and then drops science meme magic into the mix.

Okay, so as this is No Child Left Behind: the thread, I'm going to explain it to you. These aliens have a language that lets them remember the future. Like Dr. Manhattan, they can remember what will happen. So they remembered what will happen in 3000 years, either by being extremely long-lived, or by having some word-of-mouth passing through the generations. So they come here and prep us so we can help them in 3000 years. Then there's the protagonist that is a linguist and helps decode their language. They didn't intend for her to have superpowers, she just got them from learning the language, like anyone else could've gotten them. She just happened to be the right person, at the right time and right place (remember they came to her because her clearance hadn't expired). She can remember every memory she will have during her life, and the twist is that she married hawkeye in the future and had the child with cancer, and she tried to warn him the girl had cancer but hawkeye didn't want to have none of it, so in the end they will have divorced (and the dumb hard science v. soft science meme was implied to have played a part on it) and the girl will have died. But they didn't pick and decide who got the language, in fact it could've been any other human.

Nah, they can't move between futures, if they did the protagonist would've had a happy ending with kid living and hawkeye happily married. It was more like they could see the strings, again, like Dr. Manhattan. That's what I gathered.

I kind of facepalmed at the scene where she starts writing on the board to explain to her methodology the nigger. You could tell the scene was only there because some suit was afraid the audiences were too moronic to understand what was going on so they needed five minutes of babby talk to explain why you use simple words before you start using complex words.

Yes. And the fact that none had come up with the idea of doing written communication first? I mean for god's sake, it's obvious! even I would have come up with the idea, you need some encoding for your language, and for maths, etc., plus drawings do help a lot.
If you have squid aliens that talk with bleerps and bloorps how the fuck would you know what they mean without a written code? And I feel the negro military dude was made to be just too much of a dumbwit, even for a nigger. From the beginning he asked the protagonist to decode alien language from a recording, something that you only need to have two neurons to realize is the most stupid, at the very least impossible to do, idea imaginable.

No it's not. At this point i'm convinced you're really just mentally handicapped in some way. Either just plain retarded or simply incapable of paying attention or processing information.

That never happened.

The movie implies the exact opposite you fucking retard.

Is this bait? Nobody can be this fucking retarded. The movie really sin't that difficult to understand. On the opposite, they literally put the actors in front of the camera to explain this shit.

Well, that's because americans think that miltary=dumb brutes. Those guys had 40 years of career and hard study and discipline, they're probably smarter than most masters, even some phd's.

The idea in the movie sounds like it was that learning a language would give people a new way of thinking and that the more advanced language would give a more advanced method of thinking.

It sounds like an interesting idea for a movie since you'd be able to do a variation of the Star Trek episode with Darmak of Jalad at Tanagra. I'm guessing they didn't go with the interesting route and instead made it about the woman being introspective as she considered the different way her life could go with the help of her space squid friends.

Stopped reading there.

You could have tried to sound smart by rambling about Linguistic Relativity or Determinism but instead you chose Star Trek.

That's not a story.

Why don't you go and fuck yourself? Your whole post is an insult, nothing else, just adjectives. PLEASE post your interpretation of this movie and the reason for why everything I said is false. Let me see your superior intellect.

I read the short story the movie was based on. I really really disliked the movie for muddying a very good sci fi story.

-Aliens don't arrive. What arrives are these domes where the scientist can teleconference with aliens. They interact with the aliens via a giant alien screen that looks pretty real.
-The aliens are not giant squids. They are barrel shaped and regular sized with 7 tentacles they use as hands and legs.
-They don't write using ink and don't live in a foggy water thing. They actually have computers and screens and objects.

So, the linguist chick starts learning the alien language, while she notes that the aliens don't have any particular purpose at all beyond observing and interacting. Suddenly, she reailzes that these aliens don't have words or concepts that distinguish past from future from present on their language.

She starts getting more and more immersed in the language and she realizes that this gives her the ability to think non-linearly, and just as we can remember the past, she can remember the future, the past, the present, etc. It's all the same for her.

So it's not like the aliens had a stupid agenda to teach this cunt their language and give her powers of seeing the future for saving humankind. In the short story she just incidentally gets this ability from being so immersed in the language and studying it, and so do her colleagues. No one talks about it though becasue it's useless. They can't change anything anymore than we can change the past. It's just some sort of omniprescent awareness of events. And all of this just happened incidentally. No alien agenda at all.

There is no stupid conflict between countries, there is no getting information from the future from a chinese general to save whatever. It's all Villanueve destroying an amazing short story that has a plot appropiate for a short story and nothing else. Also, the movie has this depressing as fuck athmosphere which has nothing to do with the scientific achievment and meditative qualities of the original story.

The only parts that are like the book are:
-The daughter dies and it's her daughter from the future. She dies falling from a cliff.
-The aliens write big concepts with a single drawing.

Ted Chiang (the author) has some really good short stories floating around the internet and in a short story compilation, in case you want to look it up.

You cannot get the ability to see through time non-linearly because you learned a language. I wish those life forms would instead teach humans advanced math, physics and chemistry. That would make way more sense.

It's all based on the theory that when you learn a new language you start to see the world under that new lens. It's an extrapolation of that concept.

It's like everyone now is sperging out about this reality being a "simulation" since we now have the concept of simulation. 4 thousand years ago they just called it god's dream.

I don't know man, that whole language thing with being able to understand the past and future just ruined for me. I think that theory is only correct to a certain extent. When I finished the movie I didn't even think that learning that language would give the woman those sorts of powers because I thought it would be too stupid. Now that I see that this is what they meant it seems even more silly.

They basically implied that science does not matter the most but language instead, and the peak of language allows us to perceive and maybe manipulate reality like gods. It seems so silly that this possibility didn't even cross my mind. And I was really annoyed by the memories of her daughter, for me it was a pretty cheap shot to try and build some character. It would had been fine if there weren't so many memories of that in the most important scenes. I still think this is a bad movie and I wasted my time, but I did enjoy everything until the twist reveal.

I would have came up with other reasons for those beings to come to earth/to that timeline. There could had been a future where humanity was going to be exterminated by other alien forms, so these beings would help them prepare technologically. Or the Sun would blow up and they would prepare them to leave Earth. Or maybe just teach them advanced mathematics and physics, not how to speak. Or test humans to see how dangerous they are to see if they are worth conquering or being allies with. I don't know… anything else.

I agree with you in the sense that the movie completely failed to clearly portray what the story was actually about, while also failing to suspend disbelief in the audience, and tried to fix this by adding superfluous plots. While watching Star Wars no one questions the actual logistics of building a giant artificial star that destroys planets, that's because they managed to actually build a believeable world where that is possible. This was not the case for this movie. However, the short story is much much better at this. I paid to go see this movie and was super pissed of while watching it. The couple next to us didn't even understand it, I don't blame them.

I invade planets for funny time!

Oh, and another fault.

Seriously, she can't call the chinese general in the present to say the words of his wife that she knows from a memory that depicts the future. The must first hear the dead wife's words in the past and only then remember that in the future she needs to say those words. What a pretentious shitfest.

The movie didn't invent the principle of linguistic relativity. Fuck, as some user pointed out, 1984 toyed with that idea already.

So what if 1984 toyed with that idea? I didn't say that this is the first movie that did this, so why are you implying it? I'm just saying it's a retarded concept. There is a difference in knowing different languages and being able to perceive some things differently. But to think that learning the most efficient alphabet gives you the brain cells to see time differently is retarded. Why can't you people stop saying, "You don't get it!" I get it, and I think it's stupid. It's not a well written movie.

Stop baiting
2deep4u

I sincerely doubt that as evidenced by this post.

If you would stop not getting getting it we can stop saying it.

HEY GUYS I LEARNED MEXICAN AND NOW I CAN TIME DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE THE SUBJECT, ACTOR, AND ACTION IS ORDERED DIFFERENTLY THAN ENGLISH

The sad thing is that the movie isn't even that deep. There's so much exposition where they try to explain the concept to even the most braindead viewer.

More smug posts, impressive. Do tell me this. You have an understanding of time like those advanced life forms, so for you understanding the future is possible. You have a glimpse of how you stopped the chinese general from attacking the life forms. You called him and told him the words of his dying wife. Now you know that you must call him and tell him those words.

How do you know what the General's wife said if you never ever met her? Fucking retards.

Because you have the memory of the general recounting her last words to you in the future.

Pretty much sums up the theory, complete horse shit.

Well if you're making a scifi movie for profit and not passion you have to make sure every retard can grasp the concepts

The general only recounts her last words because she already called him and said it.

SO, she said it first. The general repeats what she said. Your answer is wrong. Where did she have that knowledge from? You cannot know what to say because you see the glimpse of the general repeating what you said IF you couldn't say it in the first place.

Yes that's right. The general recounts her last words because she said them and she can only say them because he told her.
It's the good old timeloop.

Pretty big plot hole to me. Also the fact that only she understood the language and therefor perceived time differently. They had the most intelligent people from all nations building that alien language dictionary, they had to understand it to make it. And… no one apparently understands it but her, because she spent 1 minute with the alien. Even if she built that dictionary other linguists would be able to study it and understand it, but apparently they don't for some stupid reason.

Try thinking non-linear and it all makes sense laddie.

The trademark of hack sci-fi writing these days. Are people in this thread really playing the "you don't get it" card to defend this?

Apparently yes, they get a hard on when they do that. They explain plot holes by saying, "You don't get it." or you get people like this guy

The most disappointing movie that I watched this year, "love transcends time and space" tier.

Look, the short story and movie is based on theories that are decades old.
All some of us do is try to explain these principles.

You're free to discount these theories because they are, you know, just theories, but first try to understand them.

I can have hate for almost no reason, but it's not the same for love
Love can make me hate (for example if a love one is killed) but hate can't make me have genuine love.
Hate is infinitely more powerful. Hate is something that can cause you to commit genocide. Love can, but only in specual circumstances, and if you do, it isn't without hate.

To be fair i rarely meet someone who is genuinely dumber than me, just let me have this okay

Kind of weird that war and hate never transcends time and space eh?

They seem to think that if you want to talk about how the sci-fi story played with the concept then it means you're looking for some clear cut answer rather than that you're just wanting to talk about the movie.

War? War never changes.

That's been pretty much been proven false though, at least in the sense that it completely alters your thought processes.

That sounds even worse than what the movie came up with. It also clashes with things like Uncertainty and Wave Function Collapse.

I recently watched this, it was like Slaughterhouse Five but terrible.

Poleddit sudocuck?

It's still fucking stupid.
Meanwhile in the real world
Typical tricks, Chiang.

I worry about you man, I really do