There is literally nothing wrong with Libertarianism

This is the stupidest non-argument ever. By your logic all white people are trash because their societies have been cucked and subverted.

The Libertarian establishment may be controlled opposition right now, but the pure Libertarian principles cannot be fucked with. If you go back to the pure principles then there is no problems.

Adam Smith was pro-protectionist to an extent. He spoke of a need for a nationalist "home bias" to ensure the long term health of a free market society.

What is the second amendment? Hurr durr fucking retard. If a government proves itself to be tyrannical and against the will of the people, then the people have the God-given right to overthrow the state and reestablish liberty.

Weird, that's not what I said at all.

Let me try to explain it the way an autist would understand.

You can't push millions of people into poverty and not see a new Haiti emerging, where the blacks will try to kill all the Whites.

There is nothing wrong with libertarianism, but there is a big problem that most libertarians have. They aren't able to work together, and spend all their time and energy sniping each other over minor ideological differences, and suffer from a severe lack of depth perception, ie they are unable to tell the difference between someone who is in the center of the political compass, like Trump, and someone on the far side from them, ie authoritarians like Hillary and Cruz, and somehow like people they perceive as on the left because of some personal freedoms they promote while failing to notice that they are god damned fucking communists like Bernie.

Trump is the closest thing we have had to a libertarian as a mainstream candidate since Goldwater, but they by and large fucking hate him. Instead they put up an absolute fucking clown like Johnson. Disgusting.

Blacks are all bark and no bite.

Take away the socialist kikes who prop them up and they will drop like flies. Able-bodied black men are only about 5-6% the population of the US, and the majority of them are either in prison or in poverty. They have extremely limited weapons, ammo, and little-to-no training or survival experience. Whites would decimate them in a race war within 1-2 years.

Full version since it's already linked elsewhere: youtube.com/watch?v=HnJZ2haLPCw

NEETSocs in a nutshell.

If it takes whites two years to reduce them by 1/10th, whites are fucking lazy.

I agree with your point, "decimate" used for anything other than 'reduce by 1/10th" bugs my autism.

Can someone explain to me why libertarianism is even appealing?

I really don't get it.

I agree. The current establishment Libertarians are controlled opposition and cucked out retards.

But the pure principles of true Libertarianism is untouchable. it just needs strong white men like Washington again, and not pudgy faggot cowards on the internet.

Too many white men have been getting lazy and watching niggerball rather than training in the woods. They'd still win, though.

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OP isn't a sincere libertarian, THIS IS BAIT and this is a slide thread. Re-read that sentence again:

>However, what detractors fail to understand is that niggers, spics, street-shitters, kikes, chinks, gooks, japs, slavs, krauts, micks, wops, turkroaches, and camel-fuckers are only a problem for true white Anglo societies

And I'm pretty sure that Ron Paul quote is fake and that didn't come from him directly but from a newsletter written for him by someone else a long time ago.

How did the Second Amendment prevent the Federal Reserve? It didn't. How did it prevent the cultural revolution of the 50s and 60s? It didn't? How did it stop cultural marxism in the 90s, 00s, and now? It isn't.

Subversion doesn't violate your gay ass NAP.

Enjoy the fruits of mandatory minimum wage.

Enjoy your teenage son being a NEET brony because he can't get hired to flip burgers.

Libertarianism isn't much use if you don't have a strong set of ideals backing it up, just look at how the US has been subverted

It would work if more people were raised in a better household where actual morality and reasoning were taught, but in practical terms it is something a state needs to help prop up

/int/ was right about you rule-cucks and neetsocs

Explain to me then why we should waste time and energy unfucking the lulbertardian party when it's already being done to the Republican at a much faster rate and with a vastly larger scope.

Let libertarianism remain in its autistic obscurity.

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So there's nothing appealing to a normal person.

Thanks.

Enjoy the fruits of muh freedom of movement, muh freedom of markets, muh free trade, muh it doesn't effect me so what's the problem.

Thank you for confirming this is a bait thread. Now go back to Freech.net faggot.

(And I'm not even a natsoc by the way, I just smelled your dishonest bullshit right away because it's too easy.)

yeah ok.

Globalization is not Libertarianism, retard.

So we shoud live in an open warzone where we gotta shoot looting niggers on a daily basis because your stupid ideology? No thanks.

It could have stopped those things if people would stop watching niggerball for 5 minutes and take back the government. It's not the ideology's fault if a generation of dickless cowards has arisen and is too lazy to stand up for itself.

Yes it is. capitalism = communism = socialism = liberalism = progressivism = libertarianism = jacobinism = globalism

It's all the same shit.

Anarchy is not Libertarianism, retard.

Watch the earlier video about the race war. Race problems would be solved with a year of reestablishing Liberty in America.

Say hello to your neighbour Pajeet, Ahmed and Mokebe.

What is Haiti, what is South-Africa, etc… how are you going to stop the blacks from breeding, poverty won't do it, they thrive under poverty.

Are you people really that stupid.

Are you even trying?

Nah, it is the ideology's fault because the ideology values liberte, fraternity, egalite foreverybody, a proposition nation, a belief in freedom as the highest virtue. Only an ideology founded on fidelity to the ethno-nation is resistant to this shit.

Yep.

It might work in theory in a homogeneous society, but we know that shit isn't happening anytime soon.

Time to face that reality.

No but that will be the result if you open the flood gates to a billion niggers, mudslimes and all kind of trash. For what purpose?

So I suppose your answer is Monarchy?

If Capitalism = Communism; a wild leap of logic
Then Socialism = National Socialism
National Socialism therefore also is in the mold of Jacobinism since it is also anti-Monarchy, and this it also leads to Globalism

Capitalism = Communism = Liberalism = Socialism = National Socialism = Liberalism = Jacobism = Globalism

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Why would niggers come to a country that does not support and subsidize their existence with SNAP, EBT, welfare, affirmative action, Section 8 housing, etc.?

You realize those things would all be gone under Libertarianism, yes? There is no incentive for non-white lazy scum to come here.

The Jews have weaved such a slave morality in the libertarians that they believe the very act of wielding authority itself is evil and so says "No, I shall not wield authority, for authority is corrupt, I believe in liberty for all," and so the libertarian is the perpetual slave who always has authority wielded against him for he refuses to wield it to defend himself and his own.

Here are three reasons why they would come:

Seriously how naive are you?

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Uhm, because that would still be better then Afica itself.

Meanwhile the Nazis lost and did even less to stop the kikes than Americans like Jackson or the Russians like Tsar Alexander have done. If what Hitler believed was true, then why did he only target working class areas of London and not the Rothschild HQ in the 'City of London' district?

What happens when that government gets bloated just like the US has?

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He thinks blacks are white people, but they are not, they don't care if they life in poverty, its their natural state of existence.

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He put millions of them in camps ready for mass-deportation, but sure, he did even less.

How obvious can you people be?

Water the tree of liberty with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

No socialism doesn't = national socialism, but nice attempt at semetic semantic wrangling. The difference being, national socialism, or more appropriately, nationalism, and fascism, too, don't seek to be universalist ideologies, but rather particularist methodologies. Nationalism/fascism naturally settle into monarchies and aristocratic republic once the crises which spawned them are resolved.

And natioal socialism isn't anti-monarchy, NSDAP Germany allied and supported a number of monarchical governments.

He wanted to establish a zionist state in Israel. He is their hero.

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lolbergtarianism appeared in the latter half of the last century as a hoax to play to the White man's sense of individualism and fair play and distract White men from the fact that japs, and later gooks and chinks, were winning as nations against the individualist Whites.

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He, nice lie, I though the idea was to send them to Madagascar after the war!

Because that solution has worked for the US right? That's why we live in a free society without niggers, spics and the welfare state right? Here's a tip for you, if the solution to
is to rely on revolution, your system is shit.

National Socialism is anti-Monarchy in that it is a republic form of government. It is every bit as identical to socialism as communism is to capitalism.

FUCK COLLECTIVIST TRASH. FUCK ALL SOCIALISM. social programs are good if you need to conquer another nation because your soldiers have to get paid. you know whats better? allowing your soldiers to loot and claim whats theirs after conquering their enemies. like how it was done for thousands of years before socialism was devised.

national socialism did rebuild a nation and a strong army but that was more so ridding themselves of kikes

Top Nazis initially worked with top Zionists.

Capitallism dosnt want cheap workers? There weren't illegals coming over before the massive modern welfar state? Why was Operation Wetback launched in the 50s and similar operations launched in decades prior? Why wa the alien and sedition act and immigration restrictions a thing in the past? They're attracted to wealth and affluence and white civilization whether it has a welfare state or not. And capitalism loves cheap ass brown skin labor, capitalists can get all kinds of tax credits and breaks and make ure their white customers pay all the taxes for cheap brown paco's welfare gibs.

Nope, having a republican form of government does not make a state anti-monarchical you autistic faggot.

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Haiti is like 99% nigger
South Africa has no second amendment right to overthrow the government

Giving neetbucks to neets, or any kind of transfer payments, makes cucks of the taxpayers.

The core demand of our movement is to have the same right to do ethnic networking and openly discuss our issues that every other race has in our country. We are being cucked and we are second class citizens in our own country.

The lolbergtarian response to this problem is to demand that the other races also not have the right to ethnic networking, or, worse, that the fact that they do it is self-defeating, so there's no need for policy changes that would make us not second class citizens in our own country.

A lolbergtarianism that doesn't hold Whites as atomized individuals or best as atomized individuals isn't lolbergtarianism.

Yes, they sure tricked those stupid Jews.

Can you imagine, those stupid Jews fell for the Natsoc tricks, yeah, sure Shlomo, support use Nationalsocialist and you will get a homeland of your own.

Stupid Jews!

He says on a collective of interconnected users in a collective called society. Do you even grow your own crops or make our own electricity or do you rely on collective methods of living?

WTF!

Yes, what would you expect is going to happen to the black population when you remove their ability to have abortions and contraceptives and they no longer get arrested, but just keep breeding in their ghetto's.

LMAO you people are stupid!

Not being a NatSoc doesn't automatically make you an open-borders anarchist globalist either, you autistic faggot. Otherwise the last several thousands of years of human civilization make no sense.

Libertarianism is out of vogue on 8/pol/ for two reasons:

1. Libertarianism being hijacked by leftists who just care more about legalizing weed than your average democrat
2. April of 2015 where Holla Forums and kikewheels tried to argue 8/pol/ shouldnt have rules because "freedom of speech" and libertarianism.

Three reasons:

3. The rejection of all ideology, for Race.

The only things Hitler did wrong was order his troops to stand down and not demolish the retreating Brits from Dunkirk, and for him going so easy on British cities in the bombing campaigns. Should've done to London what the Allies did to Dresden and Tokyo and firebombed it all.

individualism is stupid, and communism is also stupid. Individualism for Whites and collectivism for muds, which is what we have, means Whites get cucked. Communism means taxpayers get cucked.

I want White no-cuck-ism, in which no Whites get cucked.

Being Libertarian does not preclude you from enacting Nationalist Protectionist measures.

Adam Fucking Smith argued for free market societies to have a home bias so as to prevent a situation like Globalization from happening.

You're missing the point, Moishe.

Hitler SPECIFICALLY refused to bomb the Rothschild HQ in the City of London financial district, and instead SPECIFICALLY targeted working class neighborhoods with ordinary anglo-saxons in it.

You do realise that nothing I actually said, has anything to do with your response, proof you people are living in a fantasy world.

Proof.

Everything else is secondary to cultural marxism and non-white immigration but that doesn't mean you can't have an opinion on every other political issue.

Since the term libertarianism has existed, it has meant exactly that, that individuals must compete on their own (and get cucked by their collectivist competitors)

The only reason he didn't is that he couldn't do it.

German bombers were shite.

I think you also have to factor in the rate of new libertarians joining the site, compared to the rate of libertarians becoming fascists. There is a strange but noticeable progression from libertarianism to fascism, and I think a lot of people who joined during Gamergate have undergone that progression.

If you put fucking restrictions against foreign and transnational entities predating on your economy and use tariffs, then you're not properly a free market, you're a protectionist market, you're not capitalist, you're mercantilist.

youtube.com/watch?v=4QlpKjhvZGw

This is the only libertarian show i follow regularly

What does this have to do with what I wrote down?

Only because 8/pol/ has become a NEETSoc rule-cuck's hugbox where competing ideologies are shouted down without proper arguments.

You have zero proof of that.

And filtered.

Or, your just butthurt, that you follow an ideology that make no sense.

All government systems are easily corrupted, user.

If you can find a better way of life than office holding, only then does a well run state become a possibility.

The US held off corruption long enough to rise from rural backwater to the world's greatest industrial superpower in just a few decades. It works very well compared to other systems which perhaps decay slower, but retard human and thus national progress.

Henry Ford wrote the industrialist's creed: "There is one rule for the industrialist and that is: Make the best quality of goods possible at the lowest cost possible, paying the highest wages possible."

Cheap workers are cheap for a reason, or they quickly become not cheap. It is much better to utilize capital as a lever on labor (exponential return on investment) than to seek out cheaper labor (linear return on investment).

There wasn't even a concept of "illegals" before the welfare state. Anyone could come, but the only ones that did came to work hard and build a life for themselves and their progeny.

Because we had the welfare state starting in the 30's. Also, Mexicans had too easy of a time getting here and going back, meaning they had less incentive to build the country, and more to make money and take it back to their corrupt shithole. Eastern Europeans that immigrated didn't do so to work for a while then go home.

It really doesn't. We had to make it really fucking hard to accumulate capital here to make it worthwhile to seek out cheaper labor elsewhere, and even then, they often come back because the quality of their labor is god-awful, and there are huge costs associated with corruption both at the individual and government levels.

There's nothing wrong with libertarianism as long as mass immigration (drives down wages) and huge foreign ownership (drives up prices of things) are regulated.

The proof is that the City of London district incurred no damage. Very suspicious since that financial district is the infamous liar of Dark Lord Rothschild and the headquarters of World Jewry (moreso than Jerusalem or New York even to this day).

You said libertarianism is bad because only race matters.

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You literally quote me and then have the gotspa to claim I said something else, yeah, your a Jew.

You have an almost naively idealistic vie of the world operating as rational and only hard working people coming to the US for a better life, that's all fucking horseshit. Spics were coming up to try and suck a bit of wealth from our teat even before Teddy R let alone FDR and his welfare state.

No, some are coming back now because inflation has been so rampant while wage levels have stayed pretty much the same so it's effectively no cheaper, plus it's easier to do more automated stuff here.

And our abundance of land, natural resources and lack of strong neighbors to contain us never played a factor right? That system of government is outdated, it won't solve todays problems, it won't return America to glory or help restore any other country. It's foolish to believe what people thought 200+ years ago would be what we need today, as if all political thought reached its apex and humanity will never advance further than the enlightenment. But go ahead, you already know the results of the path you want, you already know they are shit, but you'll still walk down it again and again and again because retards like you are too thick to get the lesson.

I guess that like your ancient philosophy, this is out of date, because capitalism today loves cheap labor.

Maybe. Stefan Molyneux and Christopher Cantwell are too good e-celeb examples.

I know a lot of Holla Forumsacks who started as libertarians or even leftists and then came around.

Personally I was aware of race since a young teen. I discovered "neo-nazi" (the caricature the MSM paints, not natsoc) websites a bit later and then discovered there was actually a semi-mainstream conservative/libertarian mainstream movement that was redpilled on race until 9/11.

I supported ron paul in 2008 and he was probably one of the strongest of the "popular" anti-immigration candidates and even then he seemed to be a bit ambiguous on it.

Ironic, considering you are likely a national socialist.

I guess your reading comprehension or writing is just shit, and instead of trying to clarify what you were trying to say you deflect by calling me a jew.

Nice try OP.

only Jews are still trying to push lolbergtarianism and communism on Whites, and only the youngest, oldest, or otherwise most gullible Whites go along with it

As expected of the libertarian. You can only spout empty rhetoric economic concepts you don't understand. Any discourse above the level of quoting the dead is considered sacred ground for you, and you don't dare tread on that. If you had to think for yourself and not just copy what others have already said you might be able to convince a few people of what you are selling. Myself and the rest of Holla Forums is tired of playing word games with libertarians. Put forward something real or fuck off.

Oh, I see, you turn things around, it's not YOU who has a bad reading comprehension, it's really me!

What a good Jew trick!

How is it ironic? Nah, what's ironic is it's always the loud-mouthed liberty-lovers who aid the Bolsheviks and globalists in destroying nationalists, then they're always so surprised and butthurt that the people they helped don't give a shit about their liberty or their rational expectations or their ayy weed lmao.

It's the simple truth that national socialism was beaten by both capitalism and communism.

And economic concepts that I don't understand? What economic concept do you understand other than ooga booga labor value theory?

Facts and figures, as well as theory bear my statements out. Also, if you don't have a welfare state, who cares if scum comes over? They will just die in the streets. The good people coming over have a much greater impact than the few bad ones that come, who can do just as well being scum at home, and don't have to pay for passage to get here.

Spics came, but not in any great numbers, and because we were pretty libertarian, the people were allowed to tell spics to fuck off. They didn't have to let them in their stores nor their communities. Signs were posted to this effect.

This is incoherent. Flesh it out and try again. Inflation? Where? WTF are you talking about?

Africa.

Incorrect.

You do realize that all political schools of thought extend back millennia, right? Well, except for technocracy, which might be acceptable to experiment with. Laissez faire creates the best outcomes, in every circumstance. This is because all of the people are smarter than some of the people. Make an AI that is smarter than everyone else put together, and planned economies make sense, otherwise, you want to use the most computing and observational power you can get to plan your economy, and that is achieved via maximum decentralization.

Capitalism was killed more than 100 years ago by the central banking kikes. What we have today is a mixed market. Mixed markets love cheap labor because they don't allow capital to accumulate, killing the exponential return of capital investment. The linear return of cheap labor is better than nothing.

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It's ironic because unlike libertarianism, you have actually seen the consequence of national socialism.

And aiding the bolsheviks? Who formed a non-aggression pact with the Soviet to penetrate Poland?

Did they hurt your precious kikes?

Apparently not, since the holocaust(TM) never happened.

Yes, Natsoc is a real system that works, unlike Libertarianism which is just fantasy.

Who then declared war with the Soviets?

Lolberturdians never learn. This is getting as stale as the nazi gun control myth.
But go ahead. You are just pissing people off.

Also

Natsoc is real system that fails, libertaranism has actually worked in America.
The nazis backstabbing the Soviet after allying with them?

There is a German Politician from the AFD, he gets constantly pestered by the Press about what he is doing in the AFD, because they think he is a moderate economic liberal and the AFD is a conservative nationalistic party.

He now said, that he doesn't see himself as any kind of liberal and almost never uses the word, because in his view it has been tainted and corrupted. He only uses it to make fun of the FDP, the classical liberal Party in Germany, because they are the original perpetrator, who tainted and corrupted the meaning of the word liberal.

After him, liberal today can mean everything and nothing, its a squishy and vague term, use by people who never stand by their positions and never keep their word. Every kind of political idea has been sold under the label "liberal", especially concepts from the Left-Green-Socialist side.

Hans Herman Hoppe is the only true libertarian, anarcho capitalist. It's about borders, private property and self determination.

Christopher Cantwell talks about this on his show.. and does this on the streets
youtube.com/watch?v=4QlpKjhvZGw

That's not true. You're not getting a bump for lying in your OP, faggot.

You're a fucking retard and know nothing about Collectivist ideologies. That's why Libertardians like you got BTFO on Holla Forums by NatSocs and other Nationalists, you don't know shit about politics, history or even economy.
How will your Libertarian utopia defend against united enemy? How will you prevent kikes or any other rich as fuck person to overtake your le small government and install laws to fuck the rest of the people in the ass?
How will you take care of your infrastructure, how will you ensure that vital industry to ensure your country's sovereignty will remain in your country? Fuck off.

Global war does prove that Naziism cannot defend themselves.
Yes, let's get the butthurt in place.

Everything's a slide thread with you loopy ass niggas.

You said ideology doesn't matter and only race mattered. I said everything is secondary to race (and marxism) but that doesn't mean ideology doesn't matter.

Uhm, no, you mean destroyed by several countries working together.

Or are you saying the UK, the USA and the USSR are not tough enough opponents.

I see you haven't read any books on the subject, Hitler allied with Stalin as a last attempt to try and prevent a war at two fronts, Stalin then started to army himself and was ready to betray the pact, so Hitler had no choice then to attack the USSR.

At least the nazis existed and came to power, didnt they?
Lolberturdianism is the same as NRx bullshit. How about this, when the running lolberturdian parties and representatives arent a mixture of butthurt Bernouts and racial cuckolds, we will join you.
washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jun/2/gary-johnson-tossed-rival-austin-petersons-gift-of/

What could a state offer better than a private company liable to its shareholders could?

Lie, never said this.

You need to brush up your lurking skill friend. You are talking to a butthurt lolberturdian from /liberty/.

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Privatize education
Cut all food stamp programs
Cut all food subsidies

"Social" Darwinism is what this country needs.

Nazi Germany did not fight alone.
They sure are, considering you think capitalism/communism are shit ideology, apparently they are shit ideology yet they beat the master race.
Stalin himself actually locked up himself in his room because he didn't believe that Hitler actually attacked him.
Not to mention the plan for invasion of Stalin was proven dubious as much as General plan ost.

Yes, but his butthurt, warms me.

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Well, at least I'm not the butthurt nazi who are eternally butthurt about losing in WW2.

wow, never claimed it did, how many times have you read something in my reply that wasn't there.

Can you people stop doing that?

He, another example of imagining something I never said, wow, you sure are living in your own fantasy world!!

This is true and not propaganda, because…

1. Not a nazi.
2. The West lost my friend and if you think otherwise, please visit your nearest large city and look at the foreign trash walking the street.

Keep living in denial lolberg, the most effective ideology against the international jewish financial system and degeneracy is National Socialism as proven by history. You're shilling for ideology that was never implemented and never is designed by kikes.

* You're shilling for ideology that was never implemented and is designed by kikes.

Apparently, a collective of natsoc countries that can't defend themselves against a bunch of capitalist countries and one communist country.
So you appreciate communism/capitalism now? Nice to know.
Because of historians.

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Wut? Italy was Fascist and the Japanese practised a militarist form of Shintoism.

Also, fun how you compare Italy and Japan, to such powers and the UK, USSR and USA, sure an equal comparison.

Wow, again you imagine something I never said!

Alright, outright appeal to authority, that's all you got?

The US was effectively libertarian from the end of Reconstruction until 1913. Most nations that industrialized had a period during which their policy was effective laissez faire. Nations that industrialized later, like China, piggybacked off of the capital base built in the more libertarian nations, and thus didn't need policy that was as free.

This is somewhat true. The odds were stacked against them thanks to higher populations and other industrial powers fighting them, but if they had, say, had the industrial base to produce 100x as many V2s, tanks, and planes than they did, they would have steamrolled the allies. Only capitalism can produce capital like that. If they had had capitalism from the end of WWI until WWII, rather than the central planning by the kikes in the central bank they had, their industrial base would have been at least several times stronger going into the war than it was. More factories to convert to arms production means more materiel, more guns, ammunition, tanks, planes, naval vessels, and more capital to put into their nuclear program.

So what he basically says is that if you want to be a nigger and destroy your genetics and end your worthless R-selected genepool, please do so.

What were you trying to say when you wrote that?

As said, Nazi Germany did not fight alone, they had a bunch of allies.

And it wasn't 6 years, the Nazis surrendered in 1944, only Japan remained in 1945.

Daily reminder that capitalist Napoleon kept the war going for over 10 years, while Hitler can't get the world going on 6.

That all ideologies should be rejected, and that we should apply whatever makes our race thrive.

And I've never declared myself a national socialist. So once more, put forward something real or fuck off. I'm bored with playing word games.

Most schools of thought actually advance though. Libertarians are still stuck 200 years ago, believing in the universal rights of man and human goodness and all the other garbage the enlightenment left us with.

No, you're just wrong on this one. This isn't even up for debate. The same system you want to install, the one we had at the beginning, was what lead to this big mess we have right now. It is not any coincidence that this system lead to this big fucking mess, because it espouses garbage like the rights of man and other myths. You may restore the system to as it was in 1787, exactly and word for word in every respect, but within 200 years you will be back to this point, crying that if you just never changed anything ever the system would be perfect!

Subhumans will be shit at everything, regardless of how they are governed. What is important to note is that the reverse is not true, as we see today. Whites and to a lesser extent Asians will not be great regardless of how they are governed.

It won't work and you would know this if you bothered to view society as anything more than the sum of economic interactions.
As for the rest, you are once again playing word games.
I would ask what special snowflake definition of mixed markets you go by, but I don't really care. I've given you a few opportunities to bring your discussion beyond rhetoric and economic talking points you don't really understand. You've answered me by copypasting the same garbage, but I guess that's your solution to every problem?
Of course since libertarians are autistic or high schoolers I should have expected this.

that what you have with liberalism right now fam so I ain't buyin that

Uhm, Napoleon was an emperor, that would make his government a form of feudalism, do you even read books?

Germany was supplying the whole Waffen SS and plenty anti-communist militias in lots of Eastern and central European countries you dumb faggot. The only independent active ally they had in Europe was Fascist Italy.
Lets switch NatSoc Germany with Libertarian Germany, how would that go? War would probably last for 2 months, oh no wait, there wouldn't be any war. You know why? Because that would give kikes even bigger control over Germany.

Naziism is an offshot of fascism, and Japan was an ally to Germany.
But UK, USSR and USA are shit, user, because they have shit ideology, natsoc master race!
That's all you got to, because you are sucking up to Hitler.

Uhm, Napoleon was an emperor, that would make his government a form of feudalism, do you even read books?>>6285788
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Napoleon declared himself an emperor, but his method of economy was capitalist, after all, he improved from the system of the french kikes revolutionaries.

Lolbergs once again showing that they nothing else besides their libertardian memes and are actually bluepilled as fuck.

Germany being a special snowflake doesn't mean they don't have allies. The fact they chose shit allies to mean they are bad at a diplomatic level.

That's probably better than the result of WW2 with millions of whites being killed.

Are you denying that now? When Hitler learned a lot from Mussolini?

1. No such thing as nazism, it's Nationalsocialism.
2. Nationalsocialism was not an off-shoot of fascism, but brings together German Nationalism, Christian Conservatism and Socialism.

Also, I never denied that Japan was an ally to Germany. SO AGAIN YOU IMAGINE THINGS I NEVER SAID!

I see, you no longer refuse to be serious, because you are losing the discussion. Never called them shit, AGAIN YOU IMAGINE THINGS I NEVER SAID!

Yes, that's all I got, you have no opinions of your own, so you appeal to authority.

That's a nice way of taking a big hot shit in a thread with 10+ points nobody wants to address in one sitting. I could do the same thing with any other political ideology.

No, you can't have capitalism and a whole system of noble titles, where people have special rights.

Anyway, capitalism isn't really a word now is it.

I mean, you call napoleon capitalist, because he clearly isn't a liberal, to confuse the situation.

There's a subset of libertarianism that's aware of race/immigration as a problem, but it's even more irrelevant than it was 8 years ago.

As of 2016, Libertarians may stop even being united on non-interventionism and privacy (the only two good things about the libertarian party at this point) because of the neocohens from the #nevertrump movement joining it.

Alright I'll take this obvious bait…
Some people like the idea of teamwork.
Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.

Naziism was the brand of fascism brought over by Hitler.
If it was german nationalism, it wouldn't accept foreign countries as allies.
If it was christian conservatism, it wouldn't try to make war with Rome.
If it was socialism, the workers would control the means of production.
This whole thread is about shitting on capitalism, so apparently, if you don't dislike capitalism, what are you doing here?
This whole thread is about history, I don't see how your special snowflake opinion can change history.

And were those allies National Socialist countries that offered full military support to Germany? No.

LMAO, Germany surrendered on May 7th, 1945 faggot. You don't even know the basics.

Daily reminder that our libertardian user here is a complete retard and doesn't understand the impact of air planes and motorised vehicles on warfare.

You're retarded, user.

National Socialism is not an offshoot of Fascism, there are big differences between the two and you don't have a clue of what you're talking about.

… almost any ideology known to the moment.

Any ideology may be misused and the today's problem is libertarianism (combined with globalism).

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It is not even the year that was wrong. NONE of the NSDAP member signed anything in 1945 with the Allies, you dumb fucking retard.

Your brain on lolberturdianism.

I guess the UK isn't capitalist either, because that's exactly what it does.
I don't remember what's the side Napoleon took during the revolution (probably the right side), but his actual economic system was capitalism.

No, they just think they do, because their proponents are ignorant of history, and keep making the same mistakes over and over. They are only ever successful to the extent that their neighbors have even more self destructive ideologies.

Incorrect. We had a system similar to the one I am advocating from the end of Reconstruction until 1913. Little to do with early US, which was largely anti-capitalist at the state level.

Like the Europeans that conquered Africa and gained all of its resources for themselves? Like the oft conquered French?

That is literally the definition of economics. The study of human action.

You don't care about the definitions of words because you are an idiot. A mixed market is one in which money is issued and regulated by central banks but free enterprise is allowed. This happened to the US in 1913. This is very simple, but you have no understanding, nor do you care to have any, which is why you cling to a form of socialism.

The only things I have copypasted in this thread are quoted text.

It only failed after we stopped using it. No other ideology in history has been blamed for the problems caused by its absence. This is the power of capitalism.

This is your brain on libertarianism. What fucking stupid statements.

I have to ask, would you say the British empire at the time of Napoleon practiced "capitalism"?

No such thing as nazism,.

Why? There is nothing about German Nationalism that says you can't ally with other nations?

Why, there is nothing about Christian Conservatism that says you can't wage war with another Christian state.

No, thats communism.

Uhm, no it isn't.

I see, uhm, so you have no counter-argument so you start insulting.

Well, the UK follows a form of Socialism, so that is right either way.

Yeah, capitalism, the word without a good meaning, which could mean anything left to communism.

There were countries that were sympathetic to Nazi Germany and offered their military support, Nazi Germany did not fight alone.
I mistake it for the liberation of Paris, my bad.
Which is why even shitty countries like Vietnam warred for more than 20 years than Germany.

Uh, yeah, it had international banking system due to the British colonies.
It had private properties and corporations.

It was absolutely capitalism.

Don't conflate stupid people with stupid ideologies. All ideologies have both smart and stupid people who believe in them. Smart people adhere to false ideologies because they have fallen prey to human bias. It is possible to overcome our natural biases, but very difficult. It takes ongoing work.

Really, name the capitalistical system they actually follow, I am waiting.

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It is the shorthand for national socialism.
Nationalism put the nation ahead, if you ally with foreign countries, you compromise your own nation, putting it on par with each other.
Christian Conservatism is about loving thy neighbor, especially Brothers in Christ. Poland is a christian country.
Communism is the stateless form of socialism. You don't even understand socialism.
Uh, this thread shits on capitalism.
What counter-argument? I can provide historical proofs for my statement regarding Stalin's hiding in his room and the plan for Soviet invasion of Europe being dubious.

Uh…British Empire following a system of socialism?

What kind of socialism is that?

They had a central bank, and therefore a mixed market. They did have free enterprise and a gold standard, so they were still quite successful, just not as successful as the US from the end of Reconstruction until 1913.

suppression of jews and niggers

Mercantilism and then capitalism.

No, that would be natsoc.

It was created as a slur.

No, when you work together with other nations, you don't automatically compromise your own nation. Why would you?

Both nations can make each other stronger.

No, history clearly shows this no to be true.

If you think otherwise, you confuse the Bible with Christianity.

I see, an outright lie. sigh.

No it doesn't.

Alright, show me.

The nazis would weasel themselves out of everything.

They would call that mixed market socialism, and deny any kind of connection between fascism and naziism.

JESUS!! I NEVER SAID THIS, WHAT IS IT WITH LIBERTARIANS AND IMAGINING SHIT!!!

What form of capitalism?

No such thing as nazism.

No matter how many times you repeat it, it's still a not true. Explain Fascism and National Socialism so everyone can see you don't know shit about the two.

LMAO, thanks for the laugh user.

Ok, which countries and exactly what kind of support did they give? I'm not denying foreign Waffen SS divisions and other anti-communist militias that helped Germany against the Allies, but most military gear and other provisions were supplied by Germany.

Yeah, of course you did.

Vietnam could be over very quickly, it's just that kikes in US wanted the war to drag on so they could get more shekels. Do you seriously believe that whole US wasn't able to win that war earlier? It's the same shit with wars in the middle east and now with ISIS.

Oh so now you're acting like your argument was that there may be some connections between Fascism and National Socialism and not that NatSoc is an offshot of Fascism? You're arguing like a kike.
Again, explain Fascism and National Socialism and outline why National Socialism is an offshot of Fascism.

What is it with NEETsocs being completely retarded?

I literally SAID THE UK, not the British Empire!!

Are you fucking retarded! Are you?

Are you people so completely high that you can't see how wrong you are!

Then why didn't you correct the minor semantic misunderstanding rather than screaming about how libertarians always imagine things?

Could it be because you are a crybaby? You, personally, and not all members of your ideology?

So? You can't take your slur? Getting butthurt?
Different nations have different interests, we want our nation to be better than the others. Therefore, there should be no alliance.
It just means no countries follow Christian conservatism.
All branches of Christianity are supposed to follow the Bible.
What? So Marx just lied about the theory he proposed. "Sigh".
Show me some posts that don't shit on capitalism aside from mine and the other lolbergs.
Stalin hiding in his room:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin
Plan to invasion of Europe dubious:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_offensive_plans_controversy#Criticism

The UK is/was the British Empire, you fucking retard.

The form with private properties, corporations and banks.

One of the purest forms.

He, maybe, because you people ARE imagining things and everytime I speak to a libertarian in this thread, they will claim I said thing I never said.

You said something very similar to what he thought you said. So similar that they might not be distinguishable.

Stop being a crybaby. Correct the minor disagreement and move on. I don't care about your experience in this thread.

I see, you admit your losing the discussion and have started using insults.

Unless both nations have similar intrests/

Your autism prevents you from understanding this, right?

WHY?

No, Catholicism has the Church tradition, secondly, what their supposed to do and what they do are two different things.

Lie, I never talked about Marxism.

All my posts.

WIKIPEDIA! That's all you got!!

Fascism is the marriage with the state with corporation.
National Socialism is that that, coupled with muh aryan master race ideology.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_powers
No, they couldn't. In fact, you have to prove that it could be over very quickly.

Jesus Christ.

Awesome, so it lasted for even less time. Now, you'll tell us that
However this is incorrect. We did not decide to switch systems, the system stolen from us from right under our feet, right? That's what you said, anyways. This leaves only two possibilities, the first is
And if this is the case, why bother with it at all? Even it's golden age wasn't good enough for the people at the time. The other possibility is
Which is what you are trying so hard to ignore. There is no value in a system that has a 50 year at most golden age before it degenerates into what we have today. What's your solution to that? Have a revolution every 50 years? Then every 40 years, 20 years, eventually you'll be fighting every year to restore that golden age. This is because your dream system is incapable of addressing the root of the problem, the realities of the human condition. Once you understand that we want not the freedom to do whatever we please, but the privilege of living in a functioning society, you will understand why your ideology is a joke to the people. Literally nothing else matters, the only privilege worth fighting for is the privilege to live in a functioning society. It's clear from the historical record that "libertarianism" is incapable of providing that.

I'm positive you're baiting.

Yes, it IS and WAS the British Empire at the same time, makes perfect sense!

When you talk about the modern UK, you are talking about the British Empire of 1841, because history does not exist and words have no meaning.

So you don't have a name for the form of capitalism they supposedly followed.

Gotcha.

Kill yourself.

No, I did not, if you are so stupid to confuse the modern UK, with the British Empire and don't understand that when I call the UK socialistical I am talking about the modern nation state and not the British Empire as how it existed, you are stupid.

You are all stupid, every time you people talk, you are unable to even grasp what I write down, you are talking to imaginary people.

You can't take your insults now?
No nations have similar interests, if they do, they would just join and become a single nation.
Because it goes against the idea of Christian conservatism, which is following the teachings of Christ.
So apparently, nobody practice Christian conservatism.
You were talking about communism, a Marxist invention.
Wikipedia has links to actual books by historians. That's what I got.
What do you got?

Stop bumping this, faggot.

The problem with libertarianism as an ideology is that it lacks a full two-thirds of what encompasses a system of belief. Economy, society, and government comprise the full range of ideological belief, but libertarianism is exclusively an economic school of thought. Economics alone does not a civilization make.
Libertarianism, economically, feels rather agreeable. A man is entitled to the sweat of his brow and the fruits of his labor. A man has no obligation–legal or moral–to strangers, nor to his neighbors save such behaviors that would make them reciprocate and do well by him. This is why libertarians eschew welfare for systems that would provide jobs to those on welfare so that they may provide for themselves. Libertarianism is most often characterized as being for a completely free market–ending all government subsidies and letting any business, no matter the size or category, fail if its practices lead to failure.
But that is where libertarianism ends. No regard for social behaviors has been made, and so when libertarians in the political scene are forced to speak of social issues, their only reply is to copy their economic doctrines, change applicable words, and paste them into place… with disastrous results. They have translated their wholly free market economy into a wholly free market for the purchase of product. Any product. Under libertarianism, any drug of any sort would be available to anyone with enough currency to procure it, and the price of the drug would be dictated, of course, by the free market. Heroin, ecstasy, marijuana, morphine, vicodin–all drugs–available without script or restriction of quantity. Any and all behaviors–sodomy, pederasty, pedophilia, bestiality–all acceptable. Private ownership of nuclear weaponry–as well as the raw materials to build and distribute such–legal. Libertarianism’s utter lack of regard for social protection makes it a nigh-genocidal ideology.
Governmentally, libertarianism fares slightly better, but even then its copy/pasting leads to a political body that cannot effectively govern in any respect. Libertarians are often said to want “small government”–which, were it true, is a noble cause–but libertarianism demands virtually private government, which is definitionally oxymoronic. To give an example of libertarianism’s lack of government, a typical criticism in this aspect is, “Who would build the roads?” The US Constitution stipulates that the government must “establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity.” Government organization and implementation of national infrastructure falls under both defense and welfare. Regarding tranquility, libertarianism would remove all noise and behavioral ordinances, as that restricts freedom on a personal level (again, falling back to the absolute “free market” parody).
There are aspects of libertarianism which are commendable. In the broadest sense, their desires for less centralized government control over the economy, providence, and society are commendable, as most of today’s governments are, by the reckoning of the Founders, entirely totalitarian. However, libertarianism fails to comprehend that there is a healthy scope of government–indeed that general well-being is a charge of government itself–and fails in the one thing in which it purports to believe: the freedom of the individual to pursue success, protected–not from failure–but from the syndicates, cabals, and individuals who would seek to take that from him.

Apparently, you got to have a special snowflake name for capitalism.

No, UK was just the purest form of capitalism, no string attached.

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LIBERTARIAN IS FURTHER LEFT THAN WHAT THE FURTHEST LEFT IN THE WEST CURRENTLY IS. IT IS WORSE THAN COMMUNISM

While I didn't find Holla Forums through gamergate, I did make the progression to fascism when it was obvious to me that libertarianism would not work for our current crisis.

The fact of the matter is that libertarians can’t admit that their ideology is dying because people are realizing how stupid and ineffectual it is and can’t admit to themselves that it was invented and perpetuated by people who want to live in a world where the only thing that matters is economics, everything is openly owned by private entities, and all of their degeneracy and sociopathic criminality is not only impossible to speak out against without violating their “freedoms” but institutionally encouraged and rewarded.
Libertarianism is a desire to cherrypick what works out of traditionalism and classic conservatism while still permitting culture to be as libertine as possible. It is the movement of people who want to fix the world but don’t want to go through the pain of changing themselves. They want to believe that you can solve these problems by shuffling laws around and giving people more freedom than they already have.
Giving people the freedom to destroy themselves and their societies and not enforcing any sort of culture that shames them for doing this is exactly what got us into this mess to begin with, and libertarianism has absolutely no answer to it. It is a failed ideology and it has completely failed to provide any sort of compelling argument for why it should exist and why it is worth perpetuating or propping up. To the libertarian, every man lives in his own little self-contained universe and the things he does mostly only effect himself. It’s hopelessly solipsistic and narcissistic.
People don’t live in self-contained microcosms. If I do heroin, I’m not “just” hurting myself. I’m hurting my community. I’m hurting my fellow taxpayers who are paying to subsidize my bad decisions. I’m hurting my nation and my people by not only failing to live up to my true potential but by becoming an active burden that they need to take care of.
Libertarians refuse to see this or pretend that it is not relevant. Their entire ideology is based off of a deeply-rooted blend of “Me-ism” and materialism. That is why it will never work and will always fail whenever attempts are made to implement it. The only reason libertarians are less dangerous than communists is because communists will always start killing people to try and force their ideology to work while libertarians will just collapse inwards and be fiscally ruined and culturally scrubbed by competitors less burdened by a sense of morality and fair play.

Libertarians have never fought for racists or true conservatives. I never asked for an endorsement, nor, for that matter, do I desire one. I fight to be heard. Libertarians offer platforms only to other Libertarians and progressives with whom they sympathize. Any platform they offer to those who are conservative, traditionalist, or fascists is grudging at best–tacitly condemned and stifled at worst. They offer endorsement to progressives, whether demand by them or not. Libertarians as a group have already chosen their side–they merely pretend not to have by promoting false equivalencies and pretending to stand for the rights of everyone. “Everyone’s right to express themselves is equal,” they say. But just like the progressives with whom they sympathize, some are more equal than others. They have favored sons. That is hardly a sin, but when their entire stance is the refusal to favor any son, it is a hypocrisy. And they refuse to acknowledge or admit it.
Libertarians say this is not a particular problem. But it is. It is a very deep and concerning problem, because we fight enemies who will use our freedoms and rights as weapons against us. Agitators will come to meetings and shout us down, crying “free speech!” when they are ejected. Our enemies will form mobs to cause havoc and destruction when we assemble to discuss issues or share information, and cry “freedom to assemble!” when they are dispersed. Our opponents will slander us in the press with blatant distortions and outright lies, and when challenged or called out will hide behind freedom of the press. Mosley encountered this very problem when he attempted to stop Churchill from starting the Second World War. Trump is encountering this problem now. Hitler ran into it before both of them. The reason the Brownshirts, the Blackshirts, and now the Lion’s Guard were formed is that Communist agitators are masters of using the rights and freedoms of a nation to get their way. They will cut you with a knife, proclaim it their right to do so, and cry foul when you push them away or strike back with your fist.
This is why libertarian hypocrisy cannot be borne. Communists, Socialists, Bolsheviks, and Jews will forever and always use our freedoms and rights against us as poisoned daggers. The only way to stop it is employ similar, if tempered, tactics. Even elder libertarians admit this. They themselves claim that a true libertarian society can only come about if all communists, hippies, marxist sympathizers, and welfare leeches are expelled and cast away. But to the matter of how this is to be done, they speak not one word. They see the problem, but much like the handwringing progressives of Europe who see the invaders as a problem but say it is impossible to deport them back they offer not even the faintest hint of a solution. No. There is a solution. There is a solution to getting rid of cultural marxism, just as there is a solution to sending the refugees back. But like the progressives with whom they sympathize, libertarians pretend that what is standing plain before them is not there. If they do see it, they deny it and refuse it, saying there must be some other way–that the situation can be solved without violence or compromising their libertarian mores and morality.
They are wrong. This will never be solved peacefully. The enemy will not permit it. They are dyed in the wool fanatics that believe they are saving the world from itself and will die for what they believe, running the streets red with blood. If you are not prepared to do the same even to stop them, let alone to begin reversing the tide of what they have done, it is tantamount to conceding defeat right now. There are no lengths to which a rabid dog will not go to bite a man. It must be put down.

What the European talking heads refuse to admit is that the invaders could easily be rebuffed. They came here under their own power. They can leave under their own power. If Europeans started executing every Muslim they see, the problem would sort itself out in under a year. They would self-deport back to where they came from if they were made to fear what lies before them more than what they fled. The same solution exists for cultural marxism and all the various flavors of socialist, communist, quisling, and opportunists that push it. To fight them legitimately within the confines of the rules is to propose the raising up of an entire nation within a nation–to have a second America preaching the truth to counter their lies, a second media machine, a second governmental process, a second source of mass information. This is categorically impossible to accomplish, and even if it weren’t, the powers that be would not permit it. The leviathan of the state would not stand idly by while you erect a behemoth in front of it to fight it. Libertarians admit that the threat must be removed but choose to ignore that it will never go willingly and will fight to the death to fulfill its purpose and nature. Force is the one and only solution. But to do so is foul, disgusting, altogether too barbaric, downright fascist, and, worst of all, that most wicked of libertarian sins–authoritarian. So the libertarian will never do so. He will plead the Fifth on the matter even as they are lowering him into his own grave.
Additionally, even if they had fought for my right to free speech, that means next to nothing. Am I to overlook a man stabbing me in the back with a knife because he once passed me the salt or held open a door for me?
The forces arrayed against us will use the rights we value to kill us and everything we hold dear. You have seen it already in the Chicago riots. Under the guise of “freedoms” like the right to assembly and the right to free speech, the actual rights of free speech and freedom to assemble will be unmade through naked terrorism disguised as the will of the people.
The only positions libertarians may ever take are to either stand completely aside and permit those who are willing to do what must be done, to join us and fight back, or to stand by their principles as hypocritically as they do now, but show them towards us instead. These are the only viable positions for them to take. The libertarian masses choose none of these. Thus, they are part of the problem, not the solution. And these are just the issues with libertarianism that appear when confronted with the issue of cultural marxism. They go far deeper than this. Libertarianism is the promotion of the individual over all other concerns, and as such libertarianism is the suicide of culture and nation both. Libertarianism will not enforce the changes that are necessary to fix this country, or indeed any country, because any such concentration of power would be condemned for its own sake merely for existing. They promote free trade, which breaks the back of any economy that utilizes it–and always will–for free trade is only viable if all trade partners engage in it, and they never will. Thus, it is a policy of being taken advantage of and will always ultimately lead to jobs and labor being outsourced to foreign bidders and wealth flowing out of the nation and into the pockets of international corporate interests.
They claim that progressiveness is only a problem when it is pushed on people by their government. What they fail to realize is that the government will always be biased towards a political ideology, and not only that, it should be. McCarthy’s bias for American traditionalism and against communism is what protected America from it, and but for the Grace of God that he could have gotten all of them instead of merely most, we would not have many of the problems that we do today.

I was talking about Napoleon-era UK when you were quoting my posts.
But apparently, you brought up the modern UK.

Are you retarded?

The government will always force upon the people the ideals of those who hold office. Thus, the government will always be vulnerable to subversion by intrusive and malicious alien elements. It is not a self-correcting system. It must be corrected. Socialism did not form in a vacuum. Just like how women have been granted equal rights many times before in the history of human civilization, it is a symptom of a greater scourge of the entropy of civilization and the decay of society. Sexual liberation, female rights, and socialist policies will always be the harbingers of the end for a society. To try and embrace the poison like libertarians do–to insist that the volatile and poisonous progressive culture can be preserved and is even somehow inherently good–betrays their naked ignorance and naïveté on the subject. It is progressive culture that is causing these problems. It is liberalism that has brought us to this point, it is egalitarianism that has allowed this to come to pass, and it is individualism that permitted this to foment. To preserve modern culture but insist on conservative law and fiscal policy is to replace a rotten fruit with a fresh one, but scoop out the festering heart of the rotten and transplant it into the healthy. It is painting over rust instead of scrubbing it out. The culture dictates everything, because it controls the wills and wants of the people. This is why cultural marxism has been so effective. A nation is held aloft from the very bottommost rung, and that bottom rung is the family–the smallest microcosm of civilization. A family is a group of related people who share space, genetics, and ideas. A group of families is a locality, a group of localities is a city or region, a group of cities or regions is a state, and a state either stands on its own. or itself comprises a group of states that form a nation. Thus, all of civilization is supported by the family.
This is why the single most successful communist psyop ever played was the feminist one–i.e. the one that attacked the family unit itself. This is no accident. This was by design. This was a poison dart crafted specifically to bring the Western world to its knees and ultimately destroy it, and it is a poison that has outlived the assassins that cast it and will be the death of us yet if we cannot stop it.
To refuse to take a stand against the degeneration of society and culture–to try to “stay above it”–is to be complicit with its blatant and overt destruction. The man who stands by and watches as the gates are lifted and the barbarians are let loose upon the city is complicit in the act of the gateraiser.
Libertarians would stuff their ears with cotton and gibber of cycles of left and right, completely ignoring that even the right wing of today would be viewed as buffoons, imbeciles, and utter madmen by the conservatives of as little as a hundred years ago. A libertarian is someone who sees the spinning wheel of the left vs. right dichotomy and says, “This is a natural cycle of the rotation of ideas,” blind to the cart to which the wheel is attached which is rolling down a hill and off of a cliff. They say to a man who would halt the spinning wheel, “You have no right to do that; the spinning of the wheel is natural,” and to a man who would dare to reverse it, they would hurl their most dire insults, of “authoritarian” and “fascist,” never minding that the progressive ideology is the most authoritarian of all. They cite the Founding Fathers of America as their inspiration. The Founding Fathers were unashamedly fascist. They were fascist before such a term even existed. They were, it could be argued, the original pioneers of the concept in modern times, as they espoused the erasing of prior identity to be subsumed into the newly created joint effort and identity of all. The ideals they represented were the ideals Classical Rome, which they had long studied and admired. They opposed only the coronation of an Emperor out of the whole of Roman works, and only then on principle alone. Much like Thomas Aquinas, not one of them considered Africans “human” when they spoke of “universal human rights.” They never imagined that Europeans and Anglo-Saxons would ever become a minority in their own country. They never believed Christendom would be dismantled with the very rules they put in place to protect it. They fled Britain precisely to escape the tyranny of a centralized private bank, and they felt that such a thing as a love of ones own people and a desire to protect and further the cause of your nation and your blood was so absurdly obvious and so deeply fundamental that it did not even deserve a comment. When they spoke of the brotherhood of man, it was of embracing a man from a city over as a friend, not inviting into your home a swarthy savage from an alien continent.

And if they did ever suspect that such things might take place, they counted on the intelligence and perception of the Americans alive in such times to strike back against it. Libertarians refuse to do so. They fail the Founding Fathers in ways that even an out-and-out, dyed in the wool Nazi does not. At least the Nazi would stand for America, the nation, first, and themselves second. At least they would be willing to fight back. At least they would be intelligent enough to understand that one should not be bound by any law meant for civilized society when uncivil men subvert such rules into daggers and razors to be brandished with malicious intent.
To hide behind feigned neutrality to avoid having to make a stand as any real patriot–as any real man–should, makes you more detestable than the most blatant traitor. You are worse than a traitor. You are a shamer of the righteous, finger wagging the resistance, tut tutting those with the heart to fight back, and talking down as though to a fool the assemblage of patriots who refuse to see a nation subverted and degenerated before their eyes.
Naked treachery is preferable to the smug and lukewarm condescension of the just. Even Satan himself stood for something in the face of the Almighty God. Libertarians cannot even manage that.

Lol what? Define corporation in that context.

Again confirming for knowing nothing about the subject and not even knowing the difference between Totalitarianism and Authoritarianism.

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_powers
Wow, you linked a kikepedia article on Axis powers. Good for you user, It's just that you didn't answer my question.

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Baiting for what?

The British empire was employing fucking capitalism as their economic system.

As a final note before I enjoy my day off, Libertarianism has as many solutions for society as you have had for this discussion. None.

He, keep insulting and keeping making yourself appear stupid!

sigh, they don't have to have similar intrests in everything, we are talking about becoming allies and about joining together.

You aren't getting this now are you.

What they think should be done and what get's done are not the same thing.

WHY?

Exactly, just like Marxism is an invention of Saint-Simon, but I am talking about Communism and not Marxism, or Socialism.

NOTHING! I didn't make a claim about Stalin, you did!

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Oh, I am sorry, so when you don't actually know what form of capitalism they followed, then that means I somehow want a special snowflake name for capitalism!!!

You people sure are smart!!

NOT!

Private entity owned by an individual.
Prove me wrong first.
That article answers clearly what kind of support Nazi Germany get.
And that's what exactly happened. Apparently, the Vietnamese fought harder than the germans, the US also dropped more bombs in Vietnam than in WW2.

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What form of capitalism?

It's the economy of capitalism of mixed market, with banking, private properties and corporations.

What more do you need?

Yes, because if you don't know what terms you going to use, then nobody knows!

What do I need?

I need you to actually label WHAT form of capitalism they followed, but since you can't do that, well you musn't know much about capitalism.

That's the most stupidest thing I have ever read.

I'm not the one who's butthurt by the word "Naziism".
If they don't have similar interests in everything, then they are bound to fight against each other.
So in practice, they do not practice Christian conservatism.
Because they go against Christian conservatism as an ideology.
You were talking about communism, which absolutely has to do with Marx, since that is his invention.
And I back with it evidences, while you got shit.

lol what.

You don't even know what libertarianism is. LOL Claiming that it is further left than west already is. What a joke.

let me guess, you think Libertarianism is basically just anarchy.

Fucking idiot.

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The UK was still called the UK during Napoleonic-era.

But apparently, we are all stupid because you jump from Napoleonic era to modern era.

That label is capitalism.

Capitalism itself was a young ideology at the times, it didn't fucking branch off when the industrial revolution was just several years before that.

He keep insulting, you are sure smart!! hur dur!!

No, that only appears that way, when your an insane autistic, which you no doubt are.

Yes, they do, why wouldn't they?

WHY?

SIGH and Marxism is related to socialism. What's you point?

What evidence, propaganda?

Yes, when you talk about the past, using a word that is used to describe the present and people misunderstand you, that is not your fault, that is our fault!

Oh God.

Capitalism has never been an ideology!

Because instead of LOVING THY NEIGHBOR, they attack other christian countries, which goes against Christian Conservatism.
Because Christian Conservatism requiring you following the teaching of Christ, which forbids neighbor slaying.
My point is that you do not know shit about communism to even get the Marxist element out of it.
Evidences as in various books quite neatly fucking linked in the Wikipedia articles.
Can you disprove of them all?

The UK was called the UK during the Napoleonic era.

You being a retard means it's your fault, really.

You continue to illustrate my point.

Which makes the incredible gains it gave us even more impressive. Imagine if, with the current enormous capital base that exists on the planet, if we adopted it again, even for a single decade.

By "we" I mean the corrupt politicians who you want to give more power to.

The great majority of the people are concerned with living their lives, not in understanding the minutia of economic systems. The mixed market we switched to was very similar to the previous system, and they have frog boiled us since, slowly applying a greater and greater amount of taxation to ever poorer people, and imposing more and more regulations.

All human systems are corruptible. Your system is not just corruptible, but corrupted from the get go. It also doesn't produce the results capitalism does. It gives great empires, like Nazi Germany, and Imperial Rome, but also leaves the people much poorer than they would be under capitalism, and sews the seeds of its own total annihilation via imperial overreach.

It took 103 years to to get to what we have today. 50 years ago we had a mixed market with much freer enterprise that was a pretty good system. Better than what we have today, and much better than the system you propose. And as for having no value, it has produced the most powerful nation in the world. If that doesn't have value, I don't know what does.

Only a utter fool attempts to change human nature. Capitalism harnesses it. Under capitalism, greed is made to serve the greater good, rather than destroy it. We need only remain vigilant against subversion of the state. That is the only threat, and I think that now enough people are aware of such, and the threat both apparent and recorded forever thanks to the internet, that if we tried it again, it would last much longer.

Completely wrong, and I suspect that you are a Jew. The US had the purest form of capitalism. The UK has had a mixed market since the BoE was founded in 1694. They DID have a good system of free enterprise, and their central bank was constrained by the gold standard until modern times, which allowed them to rule the world for a time, until something freer and thus more powerful came along.

Hello Schlomo. Politics is not a sliding scale from left to right. I think you know it.

Nice Jewish word bending there.

Capitalism is, in fact, and ideology, because it is an ideal representing free exchange between individuals without aggressive interference from bandits or governments.

Incorrect, you still see shitskins invading neighborhoods because some wealthy faggot sponsors them or because of some church doing it.

Having a libertarian or ancap system absolutely will not stop this from happening. Look up blockbusting, this was all private companies shitting up neighborhoods with nigger filth so that property values would plummet and Mr. Shekelgruberbergstein would buy them up, send his niggers back to the ghetto and resell at a markup.

Paying an army of dindus just to do what comes naturally can be profitable. Look at Soros. He pays a few agitators to get a full scale riot going and then he films it for the Nightly News. For a few thousand dollars of acting, he gets millions in television coverage from dindus who will gladly destroy shit for free.

A lolbertarian/ancap system cannot address this at all. So long as a barbarian army exists some Kike will use it to menace civilized people - and profit from it.

My bad, it's an economic system.

Though it was being defined in theory by various economists several years earlier.

No, that's following the Bible versus being a Christian, not the same thing!

No, the Bible doesn't even say you can't slay your neighbour, so again your imagining something that was never said, christianity isn't automatically following the Bible.

No, that's not your point, your point is that you are deeply autistic and can't admit your wrong, so somehow marxism must be the same as communism, because otherwise you appear stupid.

Can you disprove of them all?
No, it takes me about five days to read a book with 500 pages, so it will take me a while to descredit all those books, that you haven't read either, but are just quoting, because lul authority1!!

I'm a jew but pushing against lolbergtarianism?

(((you've))) just outed (((yourself))).

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Free market capitalism was developed AFTER the British's one, so I think it's fair to say the British's mixed market economy was purer.

sigh, that is not an ideology, people called themselves LIBERALS, not capitalists.

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You mean Libertarians.

Liberals, are what we see now. The left. Marxists. Very anti-capitalist. Not libertarians.

Apparently, by your words, you can be a christian BUT not following the Bible, that's basically heresy because even the Catholics pretend they follow the Bible.
Communism is a Marxist ideology, it's invented by Marx himself, and he invented as a stateless system, the advanced stage of socialism. What am I being wrong about?
So you can't challenge the accounts of these books, thus having no proof.

Alright, so how do you stop companies from growing so big that your country will literally needs to depend on them in order to survive, and will inject stimulus to keep them going? How will you keep corruption out of office when capitalism ever so sways to its crony counter-part? How do you prevent the government from growing via this corruption and through minorities? Even if they are forced to work against their will, the minorities will always vote for welfare and supportive acts.

This is Holla Forums right now, kids who "sigh" in every post he made.

And no, there are definitely people who say they are capitalists.

So friend and if you knew anything about politics, you knew that I was talking about the other liberals.

If they invade your neighborhoods, shoot them. Wealthy faggots don't have that kind of money, and sure don't want to part with it (remember this is mostly caused by Jews, and they sure aren't going to part with their own shekels). Churches don't support scumbags long term either. If that were the case, we would have seen problems like that in the late 1800's. We didn't.

Jews are communists. Capitalism is the white man's system. You are attempting reverse psychology, and failing miserably.

KKK is free market too. You will be disappeared.

You have a sick and twisted world perspective. You view mankind as having fallen from grace, rather than striving for perfection. No, just because it is older doesn't make it purer. It usually tends to work the other way.

Liberals hate capitalists. If you mean classical liberals, those are not to the left, nor to the right. They are perpendicular to that line on the political compass.

Big companies are unwieldy, and slow to react to new conditions. When you have a low regulation environment, new companies will spring up at every opportunity to take business from the older, larger companies.

Oh, I see you misunderstood the meaning of the word. In Fascist context, the word Corporatism, coming from the word corpore meaning 'body' as in organic state, everyone is needed for the body to function. This is not a Capitalist Corporation that is owned by an individual and most certainly not private.

Sorry m8, you made a claim that National Socialism is an offshot of Fascism, the burden of proof is on you and so far you didn't prove shit.

Well then you should read it because it works against your argument.

Lol ok, whatever floats your boat.

You haven't proven anything so far, absolutely nothing apart from showing that you don't know shit about Fascism, National Socialism and history in general.
Considering you still haven't explained your very first claim in our conversation, being that NatSoc is an offshot of Fascism, I think it's safe to say I'm talking to a bluepilled rock here and this conversation won't develop any further.

The original one is usually purer than the one that comes after it.

It has nothing to do with angel shit, men grew from virgin to adult.

No, it's only heresy when your a Christian, otherwise it's just religion.

Yes and Socialism was invented by Saint-Simon, so when we talk about Marxism, we must also talk about Socialism!!!

Hur dur!!!

No mate, I can't read dozens of books in under a minute sorry.

Enjoying yourself in fantasy land? Good!

Sigh, if you people keep making stupid remarks, I am going to continue sighing.

Which is purer? A chemical manufactured in 1750, or one manufactured today?

Which is purer? A system run by individuals, or one run by a cabal of Jews?

Are you seriously this retarded or did you just repeat a canned line?

So you don't have a plan, but you didn't want to admit you don't have a plan so you bullshitted yourself up a nebulous one.
No bakery can open when I own the grain.

Better make a completely bizar and completely alien argument, that makes no sense what so ever, so your opponents are either to confused to respond or will appear stupid.

Yeah, capitalism is somehow not liberalism!!!

Autism everyone!

They are somewhat right, as I find it cringeworthy.

It is.

So don't claim the nazis are christian conservatists when they aren't even Christians.
When you were talking about communism, you must know of the definition of Marx invented for it, what does the fact socialism was invented by Saint-simon has to do with communism not being a stateless system?
But you can read the pages that were directly quoted in those books under minutes.
I'm certainly enjoying my position backed by evidences, in here, what about you? Constantly sighing like a leddit kid?

I know what is purer, an 12 year kid than a 50 year old granny.

Shoot them? That's certainly not a libertarian thing to do. They have "rights" and all of that shit. As for not having that kind of money, all they need to do is buy ONE house and put a bunch of nigger roaches in it, pay for their food, then watch as that whole street depopulates. Then they buy up the houses left vacant. It's biological warfare and it can indeed be profitable.

Uh, no. You just called liberals capitalists.

Libertarians are capitalists.

Liberals are marxists.

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I never claimed they where Christian conservatists!!

sigh, marxism =/= communism.

Yeah, I am going to leave now and read all those books, because YOU don't have any other argument, then appeal to authority!

Sigh, appeal to authority is not evidence.

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Do you really think that people are spending their own money to import and house and feed immigrants?

Planning to let nature take its course is also a plan. How do you plan to get to sleep tonight? Will you do some self surgery, or just let it happen on its own?

How to we defeat Godzilla? Use all the money in the world to build a giant robot to fight him, or let him collapse under his own weight while his heart instantly explodes from the force required to pump blood hundreds of feet to his extremities? Yes, there are fundamental barriers to growth.

You are either retarded, a Jew, or Eurotrash. Or maybe some combination.

Self defense. They are savages, and will try something. If they aren't, then there is no harm in letting them in. You can certainly keep them out of your neighborhoods and businesses, as those are private property. You could even completely disenfranchise them by privatizing the roads and not allowing them access.

What a dumb statement. Liberals can be Capitalist as these two terms are not mutually exclusive. That is why a lot of Libertarians (probably even a majority of them) consider themselves Liberal.

Corporations as in private properties existed in Mussolini's "fascism" society and was even supported by him.
Benito Mussolini (centre in suit with fists against body) along with other Fascist leader figures and Blackshirts during the March on Rome

Not really, without these allies, the Nazi would lose the war much sooner since they were lacking in personnel, material AND resources.
Except that's what happened.

Haha nah, fuck that.

Did you say this?
Communism IS Marxist, holy shit.
I don't understand you, apparently, quoting historians is "appealing to authority", what kind of argument do you need actually?
Quoting historical evidences IS evidences, actually.

Yes. Many rich kikes do. What do you think Soros is up to? What do you think Gates is up to?
"Nature taking its course" doesn't apply to a non-natural phenomena like business you tardmaster.

Thank you for making an excellent point.
People warn you about Godzilla, but you claim such a creature can't possibly exist and claim he would collapse under his own weight.
Then he starts destroying downtown Tokyo, and as people scream and cry for somebody to save them, you stand there tut-tutting with your back turned claiming "He's gonna collapse under his own weight any moment now guys!".
Then as humanity builds that robot and sends him back into the ocean, you'll have the audacity to turn around and tell everybody "told ya so".

You miss the irony where a creature like Godzilla would indeed kill itself before it can exist.

It's a boogeyman.

Libertarian philosophy isn't based on what people could conceivably do. It's entirely predicated on judging people as individuals and not as groups.

Free association, just put one nice nigger in then he invites all of his nigger friends in. If it's his property he can invite whomever he wants. If a Jew owns the building, he can let in whomever he wants. The terror they inflict on you is not his problem.

That would be considered an act of aggression by encirclement and would compromise their freedom of association.

Nothing you describe doing is consistent with libertarianism, it's highly authoritarian.

Sure, after Brexit, we will play BrISIS. Let's look if the average Brit - who is 40 - can fend against cities full of twenty-something aggressive dindu-sand-loons. Oh, and the oil? They'll take it Syria-style. It doesn't matter for how long or if that makes sense. Or if that is in Scotland. The British isles - and most Europe too - can't feed itself. After "liberation", there will be a culling until only about 10 to 20 million live in Britain. Which would be her natural carrying capacity. And guess who will survive. Some Islamic barricades, fed by international "charity" flotillas somewhere in the Southwest and after another generation, there is another war, and another, and another. Just ask the Serbs, what is means to have kebab as neighbors and differing fuck rates.

inbefore you polit-fags don't acknowledge physical realities

Holla Forums also thinks that jews "subvert" libertarianism and small government… instead of actually subverting big government, regulations, subsidies, tariffs etc, which is what jews really do.

tl;dr Holla Forums is fucking retarded when it comes to economics

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Spending money to influence government policy.
Curing diseases and buying mosquito netting.

No-one is paying directly to import and house any significant number of migrants. At most, they are trying to get the government to do it, because the richest man in the world can't afford anything more than a few research teams and a few tonnes of mosquito netting.

This is why non-capitalist countries always lose to capitalist countries in trade and in war.

But he would. And such companies do, without the government to prop them up. You think the USPS could continue to operate as a private company?

Correct. And as those people are savages, individuals will do stupid things and get shot and excluded from civilized society, just like what happened in the US during its period of maximum liberty.

That is why every community will have an HOA, and explicitly use race as a reason to deny any nigger the right to come into their community, much less own property there. It is governments that prevent such actions from being taken.

No, it wouldn't.

You don't have a right to not be encircled.

It's the authoritarianism of the people, to whom the power has been returned. Most people aren't so racist as to deny niggers the use of roads, even private ones. But if they caused enough trouble, they would be.

If they want out of their ghetto, then they had best build a helicopter. Or buy one if someone will sell it to them. They will quickly become cheap and reliable, even self piloting, with the FAA and other regulatory agencies gone.

Lolbertarianism must be thrown out simply because it denies basic biology. It's blank slatist at its core, demanding people experiment with disaster on an individual basis before they learn that groups have certain behaviors that are detrimental to civilization.

It has to be rewritten to account for biological factors (r/K, average IQ of races, race realism, striking tabula rasa as bad philosophy and so forth).

Saying "the market will handle it" is simplistic and incorrect. There can definitely be marketable advantages to pay for shitskins. They're cheap, stupid, aggressive and breed prolifically; it makes them the perfect foot soldiers.

Why?

Yes, which clearly proves I didn't say they where Christian Conservatists, or are you saying that a cake baked from eggs, is still eggs?

No it's not. Period, how else would you call Marxism that evolved into other systems?

Wait, quoting what historians, you quoted a wiki.

Zing, butthurt again.

Yes, quoting propaganda is evidence!

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Retarded because you don't understand that Liberalism is on the other side of the political compass from Capitalism. A jew if you are trying reverse psychology to promote communist ideologies, or Eurotrash if you think when an American talks about "liberals" he is talking about classical liberals, which Americans call libertarians.

Well, there is no such thing as capitalism, so sure! Why not!

uhm, classical liberalism isn't libertarianism wtf!

This is getting more insane with every post.

Yes, we do demand a scientific basis for our actions. Fortunately, the testing has already been done, and people are free to exclude others from private society (which under our system is ALL of society) simply for being a member of some unliked, problematic, or dangerous group. They will have their own place, but won't be accepted in white society, just like it used to be in America.

It can and it did. Pic related. It was only the violent intervention of Johnson in his attempt to garner niggers into a perfect Democrat voting block that stopped it from working.

Ok, I see it is all three.

No counter-argument.

Literally all the champions of lolbergturdian thought are kikes, except for Hans Hermann Hope and he isn't really a traditional libertarian to begin with

Let's not forget (((Ayn Rand))) is worshipped by the neocohens

I'll stick to Aryan ideologies like monarchism, national socialism, fascism, etc

Actually, both socialism and liberalism are White, it's just that Jews take the positions they hold to the extreme, so you get Communism or Libertarianism.

the refutation of lolbertarianism is effectively Fermi's paradox: if libertarianism is possible, where is it?

to put it succinctly, human organizational behavior does not and will not conform to libertarian ideals. the moment authoritarian power structures are disassembled we will spontaneously create new ones. there are underlying patterns of human hierarchical social organization which would likely be fairly complex to describe and document. without more elaborate data on human cognition it's difficult to predict what exactly those behaviors are but the proof is, as they say, in the pudding. we exist in de facto anarchism in that no law is imposed from without. the laws of the nation-state ARE the laws we generate. nation-states ARE in fact the "covenants" Hoppe imagines, on a macrocosmic scale. it's not possible to restrict humans from organizing on a military sale and conquering your constellation of individual nation-states and all who defy this trend will be physically removed.

so to speak.

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In practically all cases, they would be at an disadvantage with affirmative action.

This post is perfection.

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Bull shit and here''s why.

Socially laws still exist. basically summed up as : Your rights end when they infringe on others.

The moment you practice pedophilia, the right for a child to not be molested ends your right to be a kiddie diddler. Pruporting that libertarians essentially want anarchy is fucking bull shit and you know it.

Governmentally it's exactly the same as what the founding fathers envisioned, which is exactly what libertarians are pretty much trying to bring about. So acting like it's somehow fundamentally different in retarded ways is disingenous.

Libertarians are constitutionalist. because the Constitution is about the most Libertarian thing ever fucking written within reason.

Libertarians are some kind of anarchists is blatant bull shit.

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Is there any argument against libertarianism/Ancap that isn't a strawman?

Didn't see the libertarian convention, did you.

They booed the idea that the blind shouldn't be allowed to drive motor vehicles.

Holy shit link.

no one is that retarded… right?

from Breitbart

stopped reading there, you stupid kike-loving faggot. That's the last argument anyone makes. Go fuck yourself

Funny stuff: Most of early Switzerland was completely libertarian, save the church-as-a-state phenomenon. In fact, if you didn't like what you had in this Canton, just 30km farther was a completely different statelet doing almost everything different. I would like if more countries would revert to a strong border control, strong tariffs, but within there are (in the case of the US) thousands of statelets doing what they have to do: Organize society. If dindus want socialism, let them have it. If the jews want their banking cartel, let them have it. If mormons want a god emperor, let them have him. Whatever. Here am I, those are the rules, I like them, prosper we all.

Now there is alway some douche complaining that when e.g. SoCal would decide to heavily invest in tech, that other counties/cantons would profit, a prisoners high level dilemma so to speak. I don't see that now happening, where 1.5 Trillion are evenly spread across the Midwest to make a plane that doesn't fly, so why should borderline evil rednecks with a deep wrath against useful stuff be able to profit from investments that happen 1500 miles and 1500 ideological years away?

Also, in the long run, sadly only, dindus floating around like they did into Detroit and subverting the system by numbers only works if the governmental body in the statelet allows it. There are many countermeasures against that. Voting rights acquirable only after having lived there for 30 years e.g. and giving voting rights to offspring only when passed 25 years of residence. Other important aspects are you pay taxes where you earn, not where you live. So a prospering city can't be sucked bloodless into a suburban hell and all that remains are so called inner city minorities. Most of those measure work as fast as the civil rights movement killed everything. One, two generations. The effect of paying taxes hyperlocally even has effects within 5 years.

Btw, in a libertarian society, there are no cars. Everybody could intervene with property rights and proper compensation for the damage they do. Also, make technology subsidies dependent on popular vote. Any subsidy, in fact. Sewage, power lines, Internet. Let's see what the people really want (to fund by coercion).

Wrong. Under Libertarianism the parents own the child, so they could lease said child to said diddler for a (((free market profit))).

That's true, but this doesn't explain what Fascism is nor is it in the context of "Fascism is the marriage with the state with corporation."

We are talking about National Socialism being an offshot of Fascism. Not how Fascism influenced National Socialism.
You still fail to explain that. Pro tip: the first difference is one being totalitarian and the other being authoritarian, better check kikepedia on that first.

Again you forgot what your initial argument was. These countries were not National Socialist, in a lot of them there were civil wars going on and Germany was providing weapons and other equipment. Nothing was said about Germany not using personnel, material and resources from these countries.
If there would be no Germany, these countries wouldn't play any role in war. If Germany wouldn't supply these countries with military equipment and other supplies to maintain an army, Waffen SS would be smaller for almost 2 thirds. That's why the war in Europe was basically over when Germany was defeated. Get it now?

Playing retarded won't help you win the argument. To imply that US, after becoming a world superpower was not able to beat a small 3rd world country which wouldn't even have a somewhat competitive army regarding infantry without the support of SU is laughable.

Most of this whole thread is people arguing against Anarchy, not Libertarianism.

Not an Argument.

White Nationalists:

Liberals:

White Nationalists: Tribalist liberals

Not a counter argument.

According to the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, Libertarianism is (((their))) golem.

But anyone worth his salt in logic can see that Libertarianism and egalitarianism are unfeasible theories with no applicable purpose.

It can only exist inside the protected bubble.

A strong Reich can host and protect Volkisch Libertarian villages.

A Libertarian government would be so rife with corruption that it would be able to contend with its non-Libertarian neighbors.

The Libertarian theory is much like the Islamic theory.

Only a completely Libertarian world could a Libertarian world be kept intact.

Only when Islam conquers the entire world will world peace occur.

What Libertarianism really is, is a gateway to plutocracy. A Jewish wet dream.

Blood and iron

Your post

lolbergism is a purely academic philosophy with no real bearing on the world, no way to implement its goals, and no predictive power

Its exactly like marxism

How would libertarians seize power? How would they maintain power?

You realize libertarianism only appeals to white males and jews.

Have you noticed how little interest nonwhites have in freedom?

If you ever seize power somehow, the media will endlessly agitate against you. And you won't shut their lying mouths, because NAP. Most citizens will hate your rule and constantly want to overthrow you, because the media will make them think they live under an oppressive tyranny.

Are you prepared to run a deeply unpopular government? You'll need a very efficient secret police to head off all the would-be rebels before they do damage.

You're fucking retarded.

What stupid lies.

Libertarianism as described by every libertarian has never existed.

>Ha, nobody's that rich!

Keep going.

Yeah, you know why Switzerland was able to facilitate such a thing? Because it was white. 100% white. And because it didn't have any land worth paying the blood-cost for.

Your fantasy US is never happening if you don't get rid of nonwhites. Not that it'd happen anyway, because the US is too valuable to leave alone.

Also, what's wrong with saying that if those retarded groups want those things they can get out and find non-US land for it? Why should we have to cede land to invaders for their retardation, especially when it'll fuck us in the ass come five decades? You don't all prosper, genius. That's never going to happen outside of libertarian daydreams. It'll "peacefully" end up swamped with nonwhites until they decide they don't want to be peaceful anymore and you are unable to effectively resist them because you didn't take preemptive measures like not fucking letting them in.

This is retarded and has never been true. It's obviously disproved when anyone with a braincell realizes that you can survive without being a boon, and that there's a big fucking problem with taking measures that don't violate the NAP but end up with your "libertarian paradise" being invaded and destroyed.

Nonwhites will never vote libertarian. Never. Not after thirty years, not after ten generations, never. It's not happening.

And stop with the "majority knows the best long-term option" meme. It has never been true, especially when that majority includes nonwhites.

Not an argument

That's not true. Switzerland just has a direct democracy and has always managed to stay somewhat isolationist because of its geographic position.

It's what you implied, and you'd have to be braindead to believe that.

Or do you honestly think shitskins would stop coming as some as they stopped getting stuff from the government?

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