Universal basic income being pushed hard

So get rid of them. There's no point pouring resources into people who will not produce. Start sterilising.

basic income can only work if the entire workforce is composed of robots

it is the actual solution to a world without jobs due to automation, but we are not there yet, implementing this shit right now will lead to more venezuelas

good point, one i hadn't previously considered. and now i think about all the young mums i know popping out a bunch of little mongrels just to get more benefits. that'd be a good solution.

They won't reproduce any more than just about anyone else. Because they'll only have a negative financial incentive.

Under mincome, you get X amount of monies. And it doesn't change. So basically you'd see muds becoming increasingly gay, trapped out, and generally not pump out kids to get more food stamps. They'd smoke pot, eat fast food, buy cars, watch porn, watch TV, and subhuman NEET.

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They're not trying to buy off the population. They are trying to implement slavery.
1. Basic income will increase prices -> devaluation of currency -> ordinary people will have to work more.
2. More power to bureaucracy.
3. BI will be used as a political tool: to silence the opposition and to make people dependent on government. Bad goys will be forced to work for food -> most sane people will keep their mouth shut.
4. More taxes to support BI -> more bureaucracy + more "law" enforcement to force new/increased taxes.
5. Nations will be dependent on (((international support)))
6. Muslims and niggers will have more time for reproduction and criminal activities.
7. More immigration.
tl;dr: NWO gets closer and closer.

They'll still add on child support payments I guarantee it mate.

in the experiments in India this is exactly what happened in the majority of cases.
Some people take the UBI and vegetate, do nothing, turn into couch potatoes, but they are the few not the many. Most people use the extra money to improve their lives, start small businesses and invest in their futures which they couldn't do before when all of their income went to survival.

The fact is that human labor is losing its economic relevance just like using animal labor did last century.

The system is currently rigged, when it comes to welfare to dole out gibbs to single mothers.

The fathers never pay child support, and basically do cycles between time in jail/prison, working, and going on unemployment. Anyone who's lived in the hood can tell you this. About half or more of nigs never work for more than a year or two at a time.

Black women are stupid and only know if they get more kids, the state gives them more money. So what else are they going to do except let every Trayvon and Freddie Grey pump out little niglets with them?

Child support would be coming from the fathers.

The feminist will see to that.

Yes, its better than the current system. But it'd still be more efficient to quietly start culling.

That's a good point, unfortunately such a system under leftists today wouldn't stand for having starving nigger spawn.

What you propose would be good for a right wing based political system.

Yes/no

A mincome system would actually need a large consumer class of basically NEETs to create demand.

It's idiotic but there's some decent, usually Swiss, economic theory work on the subject.

In some ways the only way forward is libertarianism.

Only those adaptable to the economy should be able to reproduce. There is no point having Tyreece and L-a pop out 10 kids when they will be of no use.

On the other hand, Computer scientists and engineers should be able to produce lots of children as they will pass on their genetic traits which will see them be an asset to society.

Social security is totally unnatural in that it violates the laws of evolution.

Basically this, even tho mincome + robot labor makes sense in a practical sense.

It's a cultural and in some ways evolutionary dead end.

I suppose on the bright-side we'll have gene editing.

Kek. Nerd detected. Computer scientists and engineers are subhuman.

Although, I'd think the NEET class would definitely support this if as nothing more than to load up ZOG with basically a need to pay out gibbs to white kids to rent one bedroom apartments, get an internet subscription and spend their days shitposting and playing F2P games.

There's a contradiction between the needs of evolution and the needs of society.

Society is an artificial construct that trades requirements of evolutionary fitness for value to the society.

Like said.

The thing with basiic income is, that it can actually be a tool for good if you have an established welfare state. It just needs to be kept low enought that you can barely survive on it.

At the moment, unemployed people get their basic need paid by the government and they get some money for food and their day to day needs.

Basic income, if implemnted right, would end the bureaucratic monster behind welfare states and could actually teach people responsibility.

Of course, the leftists who push it think they will get paid the same as an experienced fulltime worker, because they are idiots who don't know how the economy works.
But the idea i itself is not that bad

This.

Unfortunately what happens is that the computer scientists and engineers are chosen to be beta bucks providers by women, who have the full backing of the government to divorce rape and falsely accuse their ex-husbands of crimes to steal all of his money. So even if they had children, they are now being drilled with feminist bullshit by single mothers.

The real way to fix things is to take government completely out of this equation. If a woman wants to get divorced, she just leaves with zero cash or prizes. Children are by default the property of the parent who can best care for them on a financial basis. Women who make an accusation against their husbands get to face the same scrutiny as if a man makes an accusation that someone attacked him. No more totally baseless restraining orders, no more kicking the man out of his own house. No more cash and prizes for sweetums when she wants to default on the marriage contract.

I imagine this post was said word for word at the Bilderberg meeting.

Would a UBI give the central bankers ultimate control over the economy?

Would they be able to micromanage the economy by increasing/reducing the UBI to stimulate or cool the economy?

I know in Australia during the GFC our government gave a lot of citizens $1000 to spend to help keep the economy afloat.

The extra taxes in order to fund the BI will come from us "loosers" who actually work. Meaning less take home then we get now, I make like $900 every 2 weeks after taxes its $600……..

In all honesty, is a make-work job really that much better?

I think in Whitetopia, UBI would be okay. Of course, in Weimerica, I think it would be awful.

the culling wont begin until the leftists have no more use for the ghetto negro voting base

all these ideals are lies, once the communists have control there won't be a basic income because everyone will be employed by force

if you won't work then you will suffer until your will is broken, or starve to death

you folks need to get some perspective on history and how a state controlled system really works once it becomes unopposed

Do you really think communists are like, hoping to inflict human suffering?

Engineers don't deserve to reproduce. They aren't in any way quality people, just autistic.

gulags

You don't get it. BI is supposed to provide very basic things, like water and food. That means, workless people will have money just for water and goyfood(c). Everything else will be at higher-than-now price, it's work hard or live like a hobo.

Plus, they will ban bad goys from getting BI.

Not just the left. A cuckservative radio show host in Texas, Michael Berry, was giving the case for basic income from a "conservative" standpoint. This faggot has been vehemently against Trump from day one, was a typical Cruz middle and insists that illegal immigrants aren't eroding American culture. Althoug, he has stopped giving his opinion of immigration later after being btfo so much on the topic.

cuckservatives are just center-leftists

Do wagecucks repeat this until they think it's actually true.

Yeah, they get a great sense of belonging from that contrived corporate culture kek.

There are positives with basic income.

- It would practically remove all bureaucrats that deal with welfare, social support, pensions, … from government.
- It can be seen as negative income tax - very libertarian idea (friedman is still a jew though)
- It would reduce crime

Basic income in USA would be about $100 per citizen per week – this comes to about 1.5T/year - and everyone gets it equally… current social security expenditures are almost 4T/year and you get squat, only niggers get it.

You're also starting to hear about the effects on our lives and the economy that automation will have on us. I generally think basic income is more there for as automation makes more and more human workforce's obsolete. That was one of the reasons argued in Switzerland during their vote.

this is your shill, playing both sides

(((wagecuck))) shaming you for working

NEETs are bernouts

As you should be.

No, NEETs are starving the Jewish system and depriving it of its power. NEETs are refusing to be goyim, while you take pride in being a goyim and (((working))) so you can be a tax farm for kikes. Being a NEET is the best thing a person can do today aside from becoming a violent revolutionary.

Either fight the system or drop out of it, but if you feed it you are a total retard who deserves to be enslaved.

Boosts demand, too.

It's this the plan?

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yes white people, stop working and determining your own lives

it's the first of the month, go be a good goy and stand in line with tyrone and shaniqua

Swiss guy here. Our lefties brought this to the people and we voted on it and gave it a resounding "no" with lots of ridicule. The faggots even gave away free money in the streets to people as a promotion for it. But apparently they will try again. In an interview after the harsh defeat they said: "Well the swiss are not ready right now but it will happen it's the way of the future". Maybe there is something about it, sure does sound like some fucked up plan. It's rare to see our lefties speak so determined.

Ride the Tiger. Take the money and put it towards supplies, gold and silver, guns, land, and becoming self sufficient. If basic income comes in, it won't be long before the whole fucking system to crashes. Under the circumstances, I think it is acceptable to loot a sinking ship. It's not like we haven't already paid all that money in over the years to feed niggers and lazy r-selecteds. Think of it as a refund for a defective system.

Whats their reasoning for it? It's not like Switzerland is plagued with any sort of poverty.

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Work is necessary for earning. Even TPTB work at it. Only the sons and daughters of those who did work get to lay around and be useless drains on the money their fathers earned.

Trying to turn being a NEET into something noble is laughable. You don't even pull your own weight in society. You leech off the working class, and claim you're fighting the system.

You're a joke.

Yes, free money tends to boost demand.

It's a sign that we're led by very awful thinkers when "free money for everybody" is being considered as a legitimate economic position.

Implying they are not on benefits (aka muslim basic income) right now

We already feel purposeless and have no real sense of belonging. Our aspirations seem to be get laid, get rich, get laid more in a nicer bed. Our belonging is eradicated. We have no tribal affiliation anymore. Indigenous whites have shunned their own, while the foreigners, be they white or not, stick together. Chinatown? Little Italy? They stick together and help each other out, but white Americans don't really do that. White English don't really do that.

BUI is obviously a designed end point. A completely reliant populace on the state. Complete obedience for their next meal, the roof over their heads, the endless escapism and hedonism.

yeah, no

Forced user.This is why EU is building an army,other than check on the goyim.

All it takes is "rich people have more money than us". Leftists seem very concerned with having what other people have, whether they earned it or not. Poverty has nothing to do with it.

Here is their page. Simply throw it into google translate and it should be readable.

They basically claim it would cost less since we could lighten or entirely remove some branches of government. But I don't trust that shit. Seems way over simplified and they are not considering the psychology of some people and what they would do with "free money". I imagine a good majority of at least the low paid people would simply say fuck it and go live as minimalist consumers. Why clean toilets for a living when you can NEET it up? Why work on your farm which gives you nearly no income when you can buy your stuff from the supermarket with Govbux? Thankfully us Swiss have a lot of pride in our work and look down upon the lazy.

forgot the page cause I'm retarded:
grundeinkommen.ch/

The immigrant flooding the EU at the moment are incapable of anything but the most basic tasks.
They struggle to use things like stoves and washing machines and break them all the time.
There is no work they could do without fucking up that can't be automated

Consider the handouts that dindus and others get at the moment with free childcare, food stamps, various benefits, pensions, etc - this is pretty much a trial run of this nonsense and it leads to a resounding ruin everywhere whenever it is implemented. If you give everyone free money, there will be no point to working and you like it or not, we do not have android robots that can replace humans.

If money is a measure of value and labour and a tool for regulation of consumption within society, then basic income demolishes that and makes both money and the products given out worthless. this is communism at it's worst and a simple way to ruin any economy.

communism comes wrapped in pretty box with nice red bow on top, but inside is just lies

the thing they are concermed with is power and control, and they will lie to get it

Yeah, what'll happen if you let that occur isn't your UBI fantasies, but liquidation of the surplus population that's mollified and kept dependent and stupid with their free money.

The left's basic tactic is to continually demand more from the state, until the state can't take it anymore and goes bankrupt. At that point they're going to step in and take over, after showing everybody that the corrupt and wasteful capitalist regime can't afford to take care of the people. I can't remember which book this is taken from, probably Gramsci or some shit.

Us Swiss know, that's why we gave them the finger. I would say Switzerland probably has the best working capitalist system on the planet. Our streets are clean, the public transit is timely, unemployment is low and income relatively high.

But automation cost way more than an undocumented nigger doing the job for you.Until automation is reached and is far cheaper,that is

What i don't know is why all of this shit is happening now:immigrants,basic income,going full communism,SJW infections,etc.

The jews aren't fucking idiots or they would never have achieved this power: they don't gain shit by making all the people in Europe a mass of fucking idiots incapable of changing a lamp when they can get a nigger to do it way cheaper.There isn't enough jobs for them considering us and the automation,so why the fuck they want all this cheap labor shit in here.
And they know people will start to revolt before or after.

Beside a false-flag for when the economy goes down(it's the immigrants and ISIS,goyim,kill them all so we can make Greater Israel.What,we allowed them here first,you say?Don't be silly goy) i can't really think what the fuck are they trying to do.

My guess is they want some revolution of united peoples against the old, white (((capitalists))). Or a revolt against immigrants which can lead to the EU Army, NATO etc. intervening.

exactly, the culling will probably be controlled famine as communist history shows

What is happening now is millennials are getting a stronger political opinion, feminism has ballooned, and we are seeing the consequences of decades of neocon/jew meddling in dune coon nations

Of course all of this is to benefit elitists and (((them))) because it allows the install a massive, 'moral' government, that allows them to be unchallenged because of diverse and accepting it is

it's actually going to be the future north american union

Setting up automation is costly, but pays in teh long run. Machines don't show up for word drunk or not at all. they don't slack off and don't try to steal stuff from work.

The current plan seems to be to clog up the system as much as possible until it collapses. Nogs flooding the workforce is part of that because they are a net loss even if they wouldn't be paid at all.
UBI would reduce a lot of the bureaucracy in the existing welfare system, which seems counterproductive to the cause.

It's not free money and it's wrong to think about it this way. It's an equal (in fairest possible way) redistribution of % of collected taxes.

Currently (with welfare) there's an unfair redistribution of tax money. With basic income, everyone gets the same.

it doesn't fucking have to make sense, you think they care about fake money?

UBI is just the next thing coming to buy votes

Kek, found the documentary I had in mind. Excellent piece by the way, full of commie kikes and their bullshit.

Check out 13:10, asking for shit the system can't really provide is called a "transitional demand" which is designed to get people angry and bring about the glorious revolution.

I don't have to do anything to obtain it.
I am not obligated to do anything with it.
It is free. It is not "wrong to think of it" in the way that it is by definition.
"Equality" isn't a buzzword for "good thing" around here buddy. It's not equal for those providing it. It will always be a drain on those who pay more into it than they receive. Not to mention that any form of welfare should not be "equal", but distributed to nationals based on them needing it, and them being able to one day contribute to the society that gives it to them.
I would rather see a hardworking man who cannot currently work due to circumstance receive 1000 dollars, than to see a lazy man who choose not to work receive 500.

And? Why is "fair", good? An unfair distribution would be perfectly acceptable if it was wisely distributed based on NatSoc principle.

Yes it is.

Kek. Working is the exact opposite of determining your own life. You are enslaved to your bosses. Or if you own your business, you are enslaved to your customers. And either way you are enslaved to the Jewish state. A NEET is relatively free.

Without some sort of social security your country will collapse within days - even ancient romans figured that out - and gave out 'free' grain to every citizen.

If a nigger/neet/whoever loses everything and can't get food he'll become violent and will do anything to feed himself and his family.

Jew spotted

Then it's good I made more than a single sentence in my post, didn't I?

Then we'll kill the niggers and NEETs.

Read Kaczynskis manifesto. The world has gotten complex to the point that people no longer have jobs that are mentally satisfying and do not give any sense of accomplishment.

The problem with the logic of the argument for mincome is while robots will take over more jobs, we don't live in a bubble… the world economy continues to expand.

If China and India ever have a middle class like an industrialized nation, there will be so much hunger for consumption that even if 50% of the population of Europe and North America are working producing exports solely for these two countries there would be a product shortage.

I'll vote for that. But it's not realistic. Basic income is realistic idea to improve totally broken welfare system.

In most of the proposed systems I've seen children have an income aside from their parents.

What is UBI?

hey newfriend, UBI is universal basic income

Not with welfare it isn't.

Incorrect. Anyone can get it, whether their fathers worked or not. The government prints the money and gives it to you. Learn some economics and stop believing that money is some real commodity.

It is, though. Real nobles, real aristocrats, were NEETs. Contempt for labor is a sign of nobility. Working is for slaves and peasants. NEETs are essentially the new nobles. While you beg and work and bow your head to your boss or your customers, we are truly free.

What good is pulling your own weight in a rotten society? All that does is further the rottenness. We want this Jewish society to end, not to perpetuate it, but working perpetuates it. You let your greed for more shekels convince you to continue the system that is oppressing you.

Nothing wrong with that. They choose to work and pay money into the system like good goyim. So they should be treated like goyim.

I am.

I know but I need an explanation as I am simply clueless how it works.

It's very realistic.
Free money is not now, nor has it ever been realistic.
So now instead of most niggers getting welfare, you're ensuring they all get welfare no matter what and it can never be taken away from them, and they don't ever have to work ever again.
Grrrrrrrrrrrrreat.

until your mother die and you can't pay the bills

everyone gets a set amount of money from the government for being alive

Does they get tax for receiving the money from the government?

Little do they know that fascism is the true heir to capitalism. These kikes are our useful idiots.

it's just a supplement for everyone regardless of anything else, it's literally money for nothing

The universal basic income meme is when I finally understood what a load of horse-shit Zeitgeist was. I could understand how bad most of the ideas it pushed were before, but this was the final straw. Every time you look at posts made by Zeitgeist pages anywhere, you see that most every second post says how awesome universal basic income is. So much for a movement that wanted to absolutely abolish money, along with the politics that were solely based on it.

I am unironically subscribed to a lot of leftist horseshit just to keep up with the latest crap that gets pushed through them.

The best way to fight universal income is to hand your notice in at work once it happens.

Yes. Would come to about $100 a week for every citizen. Currently niggers are getting ~$300 a week.

This
Basic income is needed when robots are implimented industry-wide, but we're not there yet

And even then we could already afford it if we cut out the gibsmedat programs we have currently and replace it with this.

It is better to give to the employed people with a saving or investment account because I don't like the idea to give the people for nothing.

Okay, so your "solution" to a flawed system is to give less money to more niggers.
I think you'll excuse me for thinking you're a retard.

Actually, Trump can make this work. All that needs doing is the codification of a negative tax burden for all working citizens over the age of 18.

Anyone whose income from labor is greater than or equal to ($7.15 * 40 * 50) $14,300 will be assessed an automatic negative income tax burden of $17,500 to be refunded upon filing. Any additional income will be assessed standard taxation rates that would result in a refund reduction.

Here's the kicker. You must earn at least $14,300 from your own labor (or valid disability income) to qualify for the $17,500 tax credit.

You are an idiot. It ends up helping the entire economy because it increases demand. If half of people are unemployed, then there is not much demand for stupid bullshit goods or services you working fags provide. If suddenly this unemployed segment has enough money, then demand increases and your business increases as well. It is win-win.

That sounds reasonable, although I think it would still be too much of a drain on public finances.

Why would you need a job, are you an industrialist?
I don't want to work for no reason, you guys always have a big mouth in telling us how great the west is. Now we have a chance to prove our worth and stop the bureaucracy and waste of money.
- Lower Crime (why would you want to steal if you already have it?)
- Less pollution (no job = less motivation to travel everyday)
- Higher happiness
- Legitimacy of the State (The idea that a State can be profitable to its citizens must be newer than most of the shilling I'm about to receive).
- Closer woven societal fabric, increased solidarity, more patience and respect
- Women can now live their lives independent of male resources (ergo no omega orbiting in 2030).
- Autofarming with drones will lead to more healthy food with a more constant quality
-Freedom of choice, you don't have to work for a boss you don't like, do don't have to work dangerous jobs. You won't be bribable anymore. So your honesty can increase so that others can become honest as well. The positive effects are endless.

if you want to critize this idea because of
just know that robots will take your job, and when there are no jobs left, don't fucking cry like a baby. You could've seen it coming.
Basic Income Now!
(before the robots take over)

Basic Income can be achieved (I heard about it. Entertained and spread this idea since 2007)

The public coffers are continually drained as is. FWIW, this would force gubmint to pay "us" first.

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Breaking windows increases the demand for glass-repair.

I gotta admit buddy that's a return to the quality of shitposting we used to have, great effort.

wow, these are such great comments.
Glad you were able to refute my points in any meaningful way.
Maybe you should go back to cleaning the windows, since intellectual effort is not found in your comment.
If you want to add something to the conversation; shut up. Unless you have something meaningful to add.

If they know how to spend the money like a shopper then it will work but what if they just save up instead of spending?

Correct. "Broken window fallacy" is not actually a real fallacy. It is pseudo-economic bullshit pushed by kikes.

why would you respond to someone that filtered you?

go push your commie bullshit on Holla Forums

because
is a lie, they ARE reading it.
who the fuck are you?

I LOVE IT HOW THE SHILLS ARE PROVING ME RIGHT EVERYTIME!
your nation must be one huge faggot

it's not a large step, once this is in place, to "skip the middle-womyn" and instead just give tokens or credits for basic necessities, the amount and variety determined by government committees, and only usable for government-approved products and services by government-approved companies and content-creators.

want more than that? want something different? stop being so selfish, parasite!

this one is simple. its all about "refugees". they will never ever work.
2 adult + 10 niglets or muds = 10 000 euro/month
its basic math

kick out the albanian and iraqi and whatever sub human scum is found with retarded worldviews.
Let them enjoy the desert some more as they still haven't fucking learned.

Alright faggot, let's work through them then.

Niggers would end up getting LESS money from UBI, just that more niggers would be on welfare. Also, these niggers that live off welfare STILL commit a shit ton of crime. You're on the opposite of reality here.
What of those who enjoy travel? Now they have the time to do so.
What of the millions of televisions, lights, and other appliances that are now running at full capacity all the time?
What will power the robots which you say are now doing all the work for everybody?
Studies have shown people are happiest when they have a life filled with purpose and fulfillment. You're confusing happiness with instant-gratification. You give man no purpose.
States have been legitimized under many other systems. Hitler's Germany for example.
The opposite. The government takes the place of family, as now no members of a family need to rely on one another. People become LESS close.
Again, the opposite. People have no common interest or responsibility since they now have NO responsibility and do whatever they fucking please.
Less patience as instant gratification becomes the norm, and less respect as there's no need for it since you always get free money no matter what happens.
That's not a positive. Increasing the divide between the sexes is only a negative. Government filling in as women's benefactor is the cause of many social ills.
In what way? Drones can farm, but only under constant conditions. If a fox is in the chicken coop a farmer can protect his animals and kill the fox, but a drone can't do the same. If insects start to eat the crops, how is a drone going to make the contextual choices to handle these things? Food will not become "healthier", its quality doesn't magically improve because robots.
And that quality is "shit". Drones don't know how corn tastes.
So you're free to surround yourself only with people who you like and whom praise you. Society breaks off into bubbles, independent of one another.
If I have 100 dollars and somebody offers me 100 more dollars to kick you in the dick, I'm going to ram my foot into your nutsack.= without hesitation.

Happy now, faggot?

Everything worth money will inflate in value, niggers will still want free shit
We will have electric cars by that point so won't matter
doing nothing is actually depressing. If you get used to sitting around even the most minor inconvenience becomes a stressor.
Mass redistribution and reliance on the state is not a good thing
Yes we'll all stand in a circle singing
Already happening with negative effects
Not necessarily
Already have it in countries with unemployment pay. People still need to work to maintain a lifestyle/kids etc

Just saying that "increased demand" is not inherently a positive thing.

There are those spoonfed-souls irl who actually believe this sort of thing.

If they want to get the basic income then they must work 10 hours for 6 days per week.

Heres the thing chap, UBI is being pushed now extensively and I noticed it happened after Japan's failed negative interest rate debacle. It was as if the money masters went to the next idea. Sure UBI was talked on about even before, I have seen threads on reddit about it since 2011. I think the timing is not coincidental. I thought we would be talking about UBI publically in 2025. In my opinion UBI would not work in our generation, as it requires more energy to create post-scarcity resources. Another reason is that UBI is meaningless without a control on prices either by the market, the corporations, or government. It just turns into inflation in the long term without something keeping prices down.

I will take my basic income and turn it into Bitcoin and crypto currency savings. Then when the system crashes i can bypass the jew.

Yeah great plan buddy

See

It's worth additional note that in 2015, the government's total revenue from Social Security and Income Tax was roughly 3 trillion dollars while total expenditures were in the 3.7 range.

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It bothers me to no end when people forget that crypto was never about a new or superior form of fiat, but rather it was about permanently destroying the public's faith in fiat currencies[.]

The whole electricity thing, as you point out, should have been a dead give away.

I don't want to live on welfare dammit, I just want a fucking job.

I've been unemployed for months now and I've gotten zero openings. Now i'm going back to school to round off a comp sci course since it seems like machinists aren't needed unless they live in fucking Calcutta.

This really isn't the best time to be alive.

Solar panels gives you at least then years before you need to replace the batteries.

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you got enough solar panels for the internet and everyone who maintains the bitcoin miners and services?

solar panels gonna keep chimps from burning down the infrastructure?

Seems you went a bit silent kiddo, what happened?

you know, theoretically speaking you could send bitcoins on a telegraph line and that requires practically no power or infrastructure.

its really easy to send a telegraph too seeing as most everyone has Morse code translators in their pockets.

Don't taunt you fucking faggot.

You fucking retarded shill. SOMEBODY has to work, you just don't want it to be you.

This whole thread has devolved into Holla Forums tier commie bullshit.

Don't tell me what to do you cockjockey.

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you don't have a clue about bitcoin services if you think that

Just a thought. Not well thought through Still like the idea of not being reliant on the government for everything, not some go green shit. Just like less reliance.

Hey Bernout. THIS shows your leftist shill creds more clearly than even the rest of the shit you wrote.

Electricity doesn't just appear magically out of the sky.
All electric cars will mean a shit ton more power generating stations.
Combustion (coal, natural gas) and nuclear are the only technologies able to generate that kind of power.

Wind, wave, and solar are pie in the sky dreams. We've spent tons of money trying to develop those technologies since 1972.

bitcoin is information, 1's and 0's. You can send that on a telegraph line. Its not efficient or easy but it can be done.

Back in the old days when they did wire transfers on telegraph lines they had to send all that shit manually. There was a person on the other end who would take your info and send it down a long line of switching stations to its destination.

I am sorry that you got fired. Don't give up the hope m8. Perhaps you would volunteer? Sometime they have free foods.

That's a fucking gold medal in mental gymnastics.

I can't say being unemployed is the worst thing, I've got plenty of savings so i'm not going to die anytime soon.

I just hate feeling useless, I wake up at 5:30 every day and I have nothing to do but eat breakfast, watch the news, and start looking for work. after that I got hobbies but there's nothing else. I figured NEEThood would be fun but its terrible.

How can anyone enjoy feeling this worthless all the time?

frankly I work because I want to, not because I need to. I find my job fulfilling and difficult enough to satisfy me.

Anyway, if they introduced it here (in Can'tada) I'll just buy precious metals and foreign assets with it. As far as I'm aware every time they've tried this experiment here it failed so they deserve it.

If the people are damn too lazy to lift a leg then they would enjoy it. I used to be unemployed but now a happy casual flexible employee.

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Wrong, solar is improving very quickly.

We have had periods in Australia where the network is so flooded with electricity during the day from solar that they've had to pay people to take it.

Once battery technology catches up and batteries are in every house solar will be adequate for most residential purposes. (protip: it's already happening)

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I guess the people didn't spend them but saved them instead?

Solar panels are insanely popular in my area. Many houses have covered the whole roofs with solar panels and back up generators. It's a fuckin' peer to peer solar plant so they won't be worried if the power-lines goes down because they just can share the power with neighbours for FREE. I love the peer to peer leaderless team.

WTF???

This is an education issue, not a financial one.
But do they have the cash to do so?
The dark forces of the universe, or some form of renewables. Use of methane/propane for 20 years to transition into a green system.
something desk workers, forced sex workers, mechanics and production labor will agree upon. It is not found in 'having a job'.
for obvious reasons the Nazi Germany had the support from 94% of the populations, there weren't any robots back then.
Family is sacred, having a base income will also mean that 'living together' will be more beneficial to 'living alone'.
what I meant was for example helping the elders or other meaningful ways to spend your time. If you have a 48hr/wk job you probably won't find the time to hang out with your favorite nephew.
this is probably something we will not agree upon. Everyone has the right to self actualization, including the fairer sex.
if insects show themselves, laser them off
so you don't need pesticides. Imagine having robot grown organic food. No herbicides (environmental damage!) needed.
not yet.
Are you free to think what you want? Is working 48 hours next to a factory line a good idea too keep thinking? Less is more, and if people still want to have other/more resources, you can obtain them. The 'work or die' style program is no longer viable (and it's 1870's style economics).
I know you like to kick dicks, but you don't know my location. Also, enjoy your criminal record, enjoy your small 9 x 9ft cell because the base income should end all crime, and there will be no excuses left to harm another human.

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you got a response

Pro-tip: using "pro-tip" to signal your superior argument is lame.

Research battery development. Batteries for electric cars, for instance, are some of the most toxic things on the planet.

The Greenough River Solar Farm produces 10MW/hr TOPS, and is 200 acres large. On that same 200 acres you could build 5 combined cycle plants and produce 25,000 MW/hr.

Oh, and you wouldn't fry any birds in the process.

UBI is a State ploy for full economic control. It needs to be stopped.

What the fuck does the existence of RENT have to do with this?

Well, for wagecucks this is bad, for the self-employed master race and NEETs it would be pretty good. However since a lot of people would stop working there would be a massive collapse of economy. The only way would be implementing mandatory work, even slavery tier conditions to those who refuse to work.

I don't think this was intentional of you. But that was a good joke.

people just worked less, with single women working 5% less, men 1% less. It was a relatively short experiment and only targeted a handful of people so there wasn't much of an impact on the economy as a whole. They also knew it was temporary so most people didn't quit their jobs and burn bridges. Trudeau senior was in charge.

It was heralded as a success but ultimately it costs more money than it produces and thus it automatically a failure in my books.

Off by a factor of 10. Maths skillz off this morning.

2,500MW/hr. The average combined cycled plant produces 500MW/hr. Only nuclear produces 1000MW/hr or more.

Incentives for productivity = productivity

No incentives for productivity = no production

No productivity = No food, no power, no distribution of resources.

This is basic stuff, lads. Fuck this unicorn madness.

on the other hand, it's just a question of increasing the efficiency to above 100%

Crime is not an education issue, fuckboy. Niggers still commit crime. Welfare recipients still commit crime regardless of education.
Sure. They get free money, remember? Or are you just completely destroying the leisure industry?
So "I don't know".
So you're saying if Robots existed Nazi Germany would have magically been non-supported?
Then why are you doing everything to destroy it?
Why? Why would having free money make it beneficial to live together? Even welfare niggers still move out, you dipshit.
Robots can help the elders, can't they?
I do.
Perhaps because you are wrong.
So you seek to divide the sexes further. Good for you, Schlomo would be proud.
Oh you gotta be fucking kidding me buddy, you have no understanding of the scope of what you're suggesting.
Why don't have our food grown by spacemen from the moooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooon! Then the food will be bombarded by nutritious space energy which makes all the bad-thing die!
Not ever.
Yes, are you paid to think what they want?
Literally everything you just said was wrong. It is viable, we just need to remove nigger, remove kike, and remove whatever you are.

Who is gonna arrest me? The cops? They don't exist because you "got rid of all crime", so there's nothing to stop me. The masked dick-kicker will not be stopped.
I too was 12 once.

This is the crux of the issue that UBI faggots will never be able to answer without using a nebulous excuse.

That is interesting.

consuming productivity growth to flatline is not a viable economic system. We aren't talking a growth of 1-5% to offset not working, we're talking at least a 10-20 to offset not working and contributing net negative in taxes, maybe even more. The reality is that living standards improve continually without it, so its not necessary and only robs the next generation of the improvements they could be enjoying.

Every example of a UBI "working" is all bullshit. It has never worked and all the experiments at it have been at best, as you said, failures. It really is about Commies wanting to control the economic decision of every person because individual choice is the enemy of a controlled economy.

when were you taught not to steal?
>stealing is natures default reaction to wanting something
There is also a difference between free and infinite.
you have no idea kiddo.
wat mate?
the laser will kill any insects (and can discriminate between beneficial and deteriorating species).
Combine AI pattern recognition with advances in biology.
cool story

And I'm sure all goods are perfectly elastic, all supply meets all demand, and there is no corruption or inefficiency.

Look here is the issue, most people are shit and not needed.
Of those left from that group, many are repeats and only useful due to duplication of jobs.
Of this remaining group, even fewer are thinking and aware, the rest are just human machinery.
In the end the actual needed workforce is well below the Georgia guidestone mark.

This future of eliminating the surplus population is exactly the point of convergence between Natsoc and Kikery that things go to shit.

What makes you useful?
I at least have 3 degrees, many certs, and experience to my name.

There is the thing, and even I am a quickly replaceable item.

As a child, by my parents. I assume you were taught it by the schools.
For money to be free for all, it must be infinite. In fact when it's free and nobody works, money is functionally worthless since all money is a means of exchange, and you have nobody to exchange goods or services with.
I have quite a good idea. You're selling the concept of family to the state. Children are to be raised by the state, families are to indulge in instant gratification and lack bonding, and no member of the family is needed as the government gladly fills in for them at a moments notice. Women don't need their husbands as they can just get money from the state, children don't need their parents as the state provides for them anyway, all done to destroy the family. But you lie about it.
How big do you think a farm is?
How numerous do you think insects are? How the fuck is your lazer gonna kill a locust in a 5 hectare allotment?

>communism
>socialism
>marxism
>cultural marxism
>democratic socialism
>social democracy
>progressivism
>neo-liberalism
>i promise u free shieeet welfare bux 4 all

Wew lads the jews have applied their name game to communism and this is the result.

They're going to have to get a little bit more crafty.

that they not are just trying to promote communism*

Tbh if we cut off all foreign aid entirely we could afford it.

And IF we could afford it, there are a lot of incompetent fucks I would gladly pay a monthly stipend too just too keep them out of the work force so they can't fuck anything up.

Perfection is not attainable, only a goal.

Knowledge, skill, and experience for which others are willing to pay me to use.

And what are you doing with it?

Applying for jobs, I think my bigger issue is being labeled a spy and domestic terrorist, just a tinge there really.
Totes not the reason.

Okay but of those reasons, how realistic is it to keep being used?
Much less for the majority of people when most jobs are rote parts replaceable by a neural net?

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I'm a Farm Vet.
I can shove my hand in a cows ass and tell you if it's sick.

If you view it as "being used," there's not much hope for you.

All life struggles. Nowhere in nature is there life that doesn't struggle to survive.

All your doing is searching for a way to NOT struggle.

You probably spend more time and effort on figuring out how to not struggle than you would if you just accepted that life sucks, and work is necessary.

Its quite accepted as NEETbux.

Its just now taboo to admit due to the Trump shills getting pissy.

That's a good skill for now.
Better than a nitrate content tester, but one to be replaced soon.

Be a hard man, make hard decisions to make muscles hard!
Don't realize that its more effective to be looking for the lazy simple route, drag the boulder on the ground, don't build a cart!
You must struggle, because otherwise you have to come to deal with the fact your personality is thin and your desires are easily met, your imagination is crushed,and you have little thoughts to do with in life.

But hey, at least its good to just toil mindlessly with the nigger as a slave.

Please, go live preneolithic and stop using civilization, embrace your proper struggling culture.

I oppose Universal Basic Income because it means a useless SJW won't starve in the real world.

It will get worse then.

I like your thinking.

Machines will likely not be able to do my job for my foreseeable lifetime. Too many variables and snap-decisions.

Fedora-tier shyte, m8. Get back to me when you're 40 living in your mother's house, still complaining.

Does it included removing of the minimum wage?

Highly dependant, but I understand your logic.
Its based on how many states are knowable and readable using the arm probe analogue versus those that can be known for the cow.

Big things are expected to change in medicine in the next decade as medical texts are digested and the states within them are quantified.
Then you will the automated medecine show up.
Though it really depends on the money, since I doubt people are going to buy the little grey anal invader to test their cattle when they can still call you.
Though you may use the probe more often in the future and be a human supplement if it hits a snag.

You're the one saying struggle is good, so back it up.

I would like this.
Give everyone the current minimum wage (provable in the US by ditching medicare and social security for just direct check mailing) and then let jobs pay as they please.
It get better in 2 decades as everyone self selects for no kids and opts to reduce the population, hitting those least desired first.

Automated medicine is a touchy field because machines can barely diagnose problems on their own due to similarity of symptoms, but diagnosis isn't most of the issue. Treatment is nearly impossible for machines to perform without human guidance.

Half of Holla Forums is prolly on neetbux.

As the workforce becomes increasingly roboticized, people will find fewer jobs available. This is problematic for the people who own the robots, as, without jobs, the common folk would be unable to afford the goods produced by the robots. Once people get into space and start developing the cornucopia of resources available there, the problem will only be further exacerbated.

Basic Income is a solution to problem.

Unfortunately, if a policy such as Basic Income is to work, it would require a series of checks and balances to prevent both abuses by the state and the system being overburdened by niggers. Strong enforcement of borders, restrictions on immigration, and cultivation of militaristic honor-based culture. The powers that be obviously have no interest in putting such restrictions in place, as the state would then strongly resemble a National Socialist one.

So while BI could enable people to pursue the arts and sciences, it'll more likely be utilized to peddle cheap, tacky shit.

Wrong. BI won't make a jobless society.

I said struggle is part of life for all living creatures.

I said struggling for your own sustenance is good. It is.You wish others to struggle for you.

You're struggling right now.

I think what he meant was, as technology destroys jobs. It is a solution to cope with technology. I think its main issue is as old as time, and that is trust. Do you trust gov, companies, or people to enforce the policy and maintain the new system.

There is no reason to believe we've hit that point yet, I'm sure people thought the same thing when farming got mechanized and 90%+ of people lost their jobs.

I don't think UBI will work, that the evidence weighs against it, but its a bit like building a parachute to walk down some stairs: Its an overly large solution to a problem that probably won't occur and won't even work most likely.

And that's absolutely wrong. Even if technology destroys jobs, BI can't be alternative to a job. It's just a nation-wide welfare.
~100$ a week is not enough to support a jobless person.

What's the best way to use welfare money?

Just in case UBI ever becomes reality (and not just a carrot on a stick for subhumans) we should be ready to coordinate and throw that stream of money at something worthwhile.

No shit, motherfucker? Really? Wow. Almost as though they desire communism and have since nineteen fucking fourteen.

If it ever happens, the system won’t remain standing for long enough for you to care about that. If it happens, you’d better have guns, food, and a store of supplies ALREADY, because it will be too late and too expensive to start gathering them up then.

If it happens, start practicing on human-shaped targets.

There will not be an alternative to "jobs" in the traditional sense because there me be a time they don't exist. I agree that it amounts to welfare in the now, because we are still in an old economic system and will be for at least 10 years.
When it comes to "jobs" people will do things if they are bored, monetary incentives are not the only incentives that exist. In fact monetary incetives tend to destroy other incentives in people. For example the open source movement is huge now, almost everything you work with in computing has some protocol, or program made by volunteers, and/or had its foundation made by volunteers.

I think that UBI could last for about 5 years, while the country goes through venezuela-tier problems. It's still worthwhile to think of places to put that cash.

Okay I would buy some stocks so I can earn more money.

If anyone should be culled, it's the NEETs. They do nothing but consume. They have no value, no skills, no impact. They're even more parasitic than welfare queens who at least stimulate the economy somewhat.

Nah let's enslave them.

the point is always who's gonna pay for it?

Or lose some.

Taxes but I strongly believe that there shouldn't have the taxes. Just tax on the atm and import.

As long as the risks are acceptable then it will be ok unless the people are clueless.

Typical Marxist drivel.

The communists have been saying this for over a hundred years. It's just not going to happen

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yes

wtf? why are burgers so fucking greedy? 100 a month (for food and water) is enough… if you want people to make healthy-ish decisions, 100 bi-weekly would suffice (200/month)

I love you

the need for pure manpower is decreasing. automation is on it's way into social and decisionmaking professions, with better algorithms. Just look at the TayAI, which is meant to communicate with humans, filling in secretary roles and similar. selfdriving cars are gonna be selfdriving trucks, handling of goods is already done better by robots.
A carton of milk might never be near human hands untill you pick it up in the store.
In this society, how do you propose you deal with unemployment.

Won't giving everyone X$ just increase inflation, thus turning this increase of X$ completely ineffective?

This.
You can go back to the 1400's and find people talking about how new advances will causes efficiency displace the majority of worker's jobs. You know what happened? They go new jobs

right, so they'll implement price controls when people complain and the transition to communism is complete

NEETs should hang.

Some of my thoughts on basic income and the welfare state from Finland:

I have about ~400 euros left after I pay my monthly bills.

The Finnish welfare system is totally broken. I live in a modest apartment and my monthly rent/water/electricity/internet bills do not exceed 450 euros. Unemployment- & housing benefits are more than enough for comfortable living, atleast in my town.

Unemployment benefits have a 20% tax in Finland, and a big part of that taxed sum is refunded to you at the end of the year. Being unemployed for a year, you get about 300 euro as taxrefund at the end of year.

Also, if you fuck up your monetary situation, you can write a sob letter to the welfare officials and get extra money if they deem it to be believable enough.

The problem with the current system:
Getting a low paying job in Finland is just not worth it because after your job income is taxed, you're left with a sum that's about the same as the regular housing & unemployment benefits. Plus, you also have to pay for commuting & gas, so that adds to your monthly fees, leaving you in a zero-sum situation. You basically net nothing for working & travelling around for eight to ten hours hours a day.

Also, your housing benefit is subject to change as your earn more. If you manage to get a raise and earn that 400 euro extra per month, that just means that your housing benefits will drop, leaving you alone to pay for the rent, without government support - leaving you, again, in a same zero-sum situation.

An unemployed person, who has little previous working experience, has to fight through two zero-sum situations before earning some sort of monetary gain.

If a basic income is implemented, it needs to be implemented so that an unemployed citizen could always take a job that is offered to him so that it lets him earn more, and never end up in a zero-sum situation when taking a job.

Either that or just stop handing out welfare alltogether, but that would lead to widespread rioting.

We need a major change in our life so let that happen.

Newsflash: In America, niggers already have this.

Dammit, Jim! I'm an engineer, not a social scientist!

I understand the problem. There are no easy answers or "one size fits all" solutions.

However, I don't think the answer is to give everyone a stipend so they can sit in their concrete tower efficiency apartment and watch TV all day.

Not to mention you're skipping over at least a century of progress before automation becomes THAT entrenched in everyday production.

Perhaps one day robots will build and maintain other robots, and find the mineral deposits and mine them as well, but that's a long way off, Bub.

DAILY REMINDER THAT FA HAYEK SUPPORTED THE NEGATIVE INCOME TAX

DAILY REMINDER THAT RICHARD NIXON SUPPORTED THE NEGATIVE INCOME TAX

DAILY REMINDER THE NEGATIVE INCOME TAX IS EFFICIENT AND COULD GET COMMIES OUT OF OUR GOVERNMENT BY REDUCING BUREAUCRACY

Not really?
I mean if you are abusing this argument by arguing quantitatively in a qualitative argument then yes.
Much as in there is no lazy nigger, no gibs me or anything since they all expend energy and thus work to achieve the goal.

The argument you are presenting is that I should abandon technology in favor of handwork since it is superior by dint of requiring more work on my part, struggle, and thus building me up somehow.

My point is all of history in which we have done just the opposite and been grabbing technology to be more efficient and lazy.

I never said any of the shit you claim I said.

90% of my day is sitting on my butt in front of a computer. I don't do any manual labor.

But I do struggle. I do work. It's just with my head, not my hands.

We have increased output and efficiency by struggling, or working, to do so. We get more accomplished, but we still work.

Work = effort at a task resulting in reward.

You realize that means we are discussing the same thing then?

You could have said that you want to work smarter not harder than go on a struggles bit which is typical of these Unabomber worshippers to mean no tech hands only, eaten by a lion on the savannah.

The word communism has too much stigma behind it so they must rename it.

NS first
we all have jobs to do before we can let robots take over
at that point with full automation if there are no gatekeepers having money at all would be a waste of time.

"(((someone))) would absolutely love a robot army to kill us all so we need to act before that happens" - robert jewis stevenstein

no

they will just get everyone addicted to gibsmedat then when 80% of shit is automated, they will start to cut off the resources

ya you will get 2000 a month, but that will by 2 weeks worth of groceries.

Of course they realize this. They want to redistribute wealth from working whites to parasites, and they want to get whites addicted to non-work. I remember reading something on this board about how the government is paying farmers in Montana not to do any work. It's just like that.

also this

Sounds like the kind of thing someone without a STEM career says.

You're falling into a common trap of buying into the strawman. While NEETs do slack off more than the average worker, they're also developing skills and pushing influence in their own right. Hedonism gets boring after a while, it gets supplemented by reading and flinging redpills for a few hours a day. Knitting, translation, programming, tons of skills picked up by NEETs. The difference is that they aren't employing their skills for a wage. Believe whatever like about NEETs that you want but their free-time used shitposting has contributed tremendously to the current upswing of bad goy thoughts outside of Holla Forums and alt-right communities. That pays for itself.

He had a STEM career, and made a sidebar for technics and people who manage to successfully occupy their time and distract themselves from how much everything sucks.

Specialization is for insects. Human beings are supposed to be versatile. Whites especially.

The sole benefit is that the current system rewards failure where as this would divide the current cash among everyone. (IF as proposed it replaces ALL forms of government assistance so as to be cost neutral.)

Are you a single mom? Have some bennies. Got knocked up as a teen? Your mom can have some as well.

Did you marry your baby momma? Your income is now part of her household so no foodstamps for you.

Don't work for that promotion, Goy, if your income goes up you lose your housing voucher.

Degeneracy is like anything else. If you subsidize it you get more of it.

Yeah, idiotic Jew-supporting zog slaves. If everyone quit working, then the system would collapse and we would have race war tomorrow. Then everything could be fixed. But you good goyim continue to work because "gotta stack dat paper dawg get that moneh knowhadamsayin?" Like a bunch of niggers.

I have more skills and impact than some loser cranking out widgets in a factory or another building mcmansions for fat bourgeois cucks.

The non-autistic computer scientists and engineers should produce lots of children
FTFY

I hope they do put in UBI

That way I can keep working my shitty job for subsistence, but use the extra gibs on nothing but canned food, medicine and guns for the inevitable economic collapse that would result from such an accelerationist policy in order to capitalize on the suffering of other less forward-thinking people

herp derp wouldn't it be cool if the government just printed money non-stop and gave everyone infinite free money?! no one would be poor, no one would have to work, we'd just buy anything we wanted!! oh wait, you mean inflation would defeat the whole point of giving everyone money? or that no one would do shitty jobs? sounds like a vast, right-wing conspiracy to me

Is this true?

You don't fore-see a day where the dumber 33% of the bell curve really can't find work that pays because robots do it better, faster, and cheaper?

The same 33% that can't into design because everyone and their mother who can't engineer became an "artist," really the only thing that probably won't be totally conquered by machine learning.

It's economics. As technology gets cheaper, the humans the tech could replace have to accept less pay and do more work lest they be replaced.

It's a trick to make people accept the offshoring of jobs and the ethnic replacement of white people. Like putting the Indians on reservations. They're trying to put whites into the same welfare slavery they've had blacks on for years.

Can't attest for Montana in particular, but some family friends of mine figured out some scheme where they would buy farmland, rent it to someone, not grow anything, then collect government money because it's farmland. This was in North Carolina.

When we have achieved full automation of food, clothing and shelter get back to me. We're nowhere near that.

People in poverty won't be lifted out of it by automated iPhone assembly.

Do you honestly not see the difference between the industrial revolution and the automation revolution?

US federal gov does actually pay farmers not to grow certain crops, in an effort to manipulate the market.

We don't need 100% automation to have serious consequences.

In the US, the most common jobs are driving (cabs, trucks), retail, and food service. All three of those can be almost entirely automated. Sure it might make a few new jobs, a guy who checks on and does maintenance on these machines. He'll probably be assigned to a region instead of a specific store. But that will be at the cost of maybe 50-100+ jobs each.

Drivers can be almost totally automated. There may still be a need for human drivers for city deliveries, because it's so complex and largely unpredictable, but machines could easily drive the truck across the country and make simple deliveries.

This stuff has already begun, and it's gonna be a big deal. There will be massive unemployment. I don't like basic income either, because fuck paying people for doing nothing. But I don't see any alternative.

You aren't replacing the postman with robots anytime soon Ray Kurdzweil. Quit making shit up and get off our board.

You retarded idiot - of course postmen get replaced by automation, and many already have. Email was the first nail in the coffin, auto-delivery will be the second.

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No, not at all. The spreading of "dark factories" all over the world - the concept having been pioneered by FANUC in Japan - clearly shows that robots can and do already produce and maintain other robots. Like most people outside of the sector you massively understimate the current state as well as the rate of implementation of ever more advanced aplications.

"basic income" is the worst buzzword I've ever seen. It doesn't even make sense.
What did they mean by this?

Since I haven’t told you to kill yourself yet, kill yourself.

A guarantueed and inconditional income that covers your basic needs (i.e. food and shelter), but nothing more. For anything extra you would still have to work. Of course, as you can already see in this thread, there are a lot of differing ideas on this topic.

How retarded are YOU, child.

You can't be serious. Regarding the relative impact, please do a simple comparison of the number of people using email vs. the number of people using fax (including people using fax when email wasn't even around yet).

fucking idiot

Word, and I say this as a STEMmer. Nice trips, btw.

Fax was used like crazy in business since the 70s.

You're right (at least for the US and parts of Western Europe and Japan), but fax volume is still dwarfed by email as of today - simply compare the number of people using email compared to those using fax. Nearly everybody uses email, but only larger offices have fax machines in the first place.

But I admit that hard number are hard to come by. How would we compare those two in informational terms ?

This could be done already. All the technology exists to implement this today.

Fax was a HUGE change - remember most mail was business mail and not letters from grandma. Email replaced Fax more than it replaced postmen.

Plus they can ban cash easier. Direct deposit and debit all that welfare.

Most of the white people I know would still work if there were a basic income.

Communist leaders brought back slavery and used their newly acquired powers to kill or enslave tens of millions of their supposed political enemies.

I don't believe the useful idiots mean harm to anyone but their strawboogeyman of the rich white males though. They don't know yet that they will be liquidated too. Sad.

Better than the current welfare system for anyone productive and it will just bring on the collapse faster.

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True.

Too bad there's so many trumpeting moralfag hypocrites around here to admit it though.

Jews are a parasite. Parasites need active living organisms to feed off of. It would starve without its host.

Fucking kill yourself.

I am in support of basic income as a total replacement of all existing social security schemes. I would also remove the minimum wage in a basic income society and have insurance benefits become the primary compensation for low skill work.

Remove all the inefficient bureaucracy and big government mentality associated with the current social saftey net programs in favor of a cold hard cash for everyone system.

A basic income social security system is the small government answer to socialism.

It would also require stringent immigration checks and border protection (nationalism).

Illegal immigrants would be deincentivised as there would be no minimum wage and they wouldnt be eligible for freebux.

It is the perfect mthod of socialism for modern national socialism.

It is also the perfect carrot on a stick for us to form a right wing populist government around. It would draw many idiot millenials who think it will be gommunism :DDD but instead be make it nationalist and remove all the other social security systems.

You dont understand why illegal immigration occurs.
Why do you still spout this point after being so thoroughly btfo so often.

You’re a commie faggot and you will hang.
Agreed, by removing the current social safety net entirely and firing everyone involved.
No, it’s just outright marxism.
But they don’t want that and you will never receive it.
You’re a retard.
Kill yourself, you fucking kike puppet.

I wonder who came up with this idea.

Nobody that accepts basic income will be allowed to keep their basic rights. And half of them will commit suicide from lack of purpose. Bring it on

FUCK

UBI is not going to work today. not tomorrow not the day after.

BUT

In 5-15 years if robotics really does bankrupt human capital it will be the only choice for the majority of living people, even in white nations to survive with any semblance of dignity.

60% of stocking jobs
90% of trucking, and tractor jobs
100% of fast food jobs
20-60% of waitressing jobs
30-80% of distribution/logistics/packing jobs
50-100% of delivery jobs
A yet unknown percentage of manufacturing jobs, maybe just 10-20% maybe over 50%

If DARPA is successful in 30 years combat troops will be robots, maybe police and private security too.

What I've listed above is reason enough to justify basic income, I don't like the left and how they are trying to rationalize this for their idiology verry simply we will need to do this if we don't want what is happening in Venezuela today to happen here sooner than normal and production overall should go up because the robots work 24/7 and potentially in side of a decade or two we will have a new higher level of economy.

Basic income is bad idea if you don't hold the means of production though, if robots happen every country that doesn't have enough production technology will begin to starve. that would be eastern europe, russia and the US, along with most of south america and africa, india would probably fold in on itself too sandniggers might not collapse because of it if they try subsistence but will still probably collapse due to mutual regional collapse that or they start conquesting again and all of the other countries who have their budgets tied up in UBI have their hands too full to stop them.

DO NOT SHUN BASIC INCOME; SHUN LAZY LEFTIES FOR WANTING IT BEFORE WE NEED IT.

PLEASE DON"T MAKE THIS AN ISSUE FOR US. WE WILL BE WALKING STRAIGHT INTO A TRAP.

UBI will only work if one of two things happen:

1-An understanding of nuclear fusion that would allow us to power a shit ton of everything in a very small space.

2-Robots that would be able to replace man in the workforce.

Do any of you see these things coming soon?

I'll bow down to our robot overlords when they come

Robots are probably 8 years away from being a huge impact on the economies the world over.

The lazy fucks at r/futurology are cucks but you can clearly see robotics is approaching human replacement soon, and Our government trying to legislate rules against them so people can have jobs is going to bankrupt us if other nations go with a UBI.

And what do you think of the idea of a singularity? If something like that comes about. It might be the wildcard to disrupt everybodies plans concerning world government.

If a huge mass of people become useless, putting a huge mass of people on welfare will not be viable. For what purpose would you even want to keep useless people around? Killing the useless to free resources for the useful is an option, and if you can't think of a reason not to that is not an appeal to morality than it's the right decision.

There would be no observable drain on resources if the above two requirements are met, thus, no reason not to have Neet masses

I think the singularity is a bullshit concept mostly, man and machine as one could be today, I think what is most likely is the problems we have today stick around and AR implants or lens wear become absolutely commonplace and necessary and we have ads in our every moment and it will be almost impossible and probably illegal to mod these devices.

Best potential future is we constrain true AI research with solid containment protocols and sever punishment, maybe redefine low level AI like what we see in video games and web board chat AI redefine them as "CI" computational intelligence.

Have a massive tech burst and the society demands free and open technology on every front. 0 legal restrictions and common sense self preservation.

Spending resources on people who contribute nothing is always a drain. Those resources could be spent raising a new generation that aren't defective muds and weebs.

I don't want to work.

How are you going to kill those unused people smartass? Tom from accounting lost his job to a software bot last week, he has 2 kids and a wife and a large gun collection and all his neighbors love him. What are you going to do drop a predator drone on his house? send in a swat team or the navy seals?

Are you going to kill his kids too just because he lost his job?

Retard, the issue is completely solved by taxing robots so that they are still more profitable than a human worker but just by a bit and that profitability will come from having them running 24/7.

Replace most of management with engineers and software engineers and leave a few management guys, and boom you just save on probably half of your administrative jobs that don't need to be there to manage your robots.

In the new economy you would need to make sure UBI is for everybody and considered something like a tertiary right that is owed all citizens so long as the government is functioning normally and is not in danger of economic collapse, the UBI would be transitional but we would need serious borders for it to work.

of course we would need machines to do the menial jobs to pay for it and UBI should probably be about $19k/year, this would also encourage marriage and roomates.

UBI would mean more white babies because young people have wealth and can save it a bit to get an apartment or buy a cheap crackerbox house. the safetynet means fewer divorces too.

This on top of free time and proper propaganda efforts even from Holla Forums could have a positive impact in getting these people into new jobs or starting their own businesses. growing local food and repairing technology locally will be huge after UBI.

There is no drain retard you are effectively adding a slave labor population that is effectively 2x-3X the size of the now unemployed population, if you divide the slave labor savings up in taxes so that the robots are barely profitable at larger scales the UBI is easily payed for, not a drain, actually paid for.

You must be twelve if you don't think we wouldn't have a violent revolution with people starving in the streets if you didn't do this or if you tried to kill the now "useless people" UBI is far superior in it's functioning to current welfare as it eliminates oversight and administration, trump gets 19K per year just like you whether you work or not and in about 10 years we would have a new economy so yeah we would have a doubling of the debt but so would every other country on earth which would effectively be global inflation.

Resource conquest might be viable, nuclear nations conquering non-nuclear nations for resources to sustain their populations and manufacturing, we might invade mexico, south america eats itself, china goes on a continental war path and russia goes on raids to retrieve the means of production which inspire smaller nations to mimic those behaviors.

Stock market would go tits up from everything though.

No

Maybe this is an issue by say 2050 or something like that, but anyone trying to tell you this is happening in the next 15 years or less is selling pop science bullshit.

UBI is primarily driven by college students who either don't know what they want to do with their lives or are afraid they won't be able to pay their students loans.

Wrong. The left hates the basic income. The only thing they like about is that they can easily give money to shitskins. Otherwise it's simply a better and more efficient. tax & welfare system than subsidiary welfare + income tax.

As such it's not "free stuff here", it's "ok we create an alternate tax system that will result in many children without each individual having to fill out tax forms and without the unemployment trap effect that subsidiary welfare has"

The left wants everyone to be on welfare and forced labor. The basic income comes from the free market people, the classical liberals. The left hates the basic income because it is not socialism.

user, you should educate yourself in political r/K selection theory. The left are little more than rabbits. And we? We are the wolves.

anonymousconservative.com/blog/the-theory/rk-selection-theory/

They will never stop pushing UBI.

Yes all over Europe they are trying to push it. I think in one of my cities (Utrecht possibly) they wanted to "test" it and they wanted ONLY a left wing economist who has dedicated his whole life to universal income to evaluate it. I wonder how they want to pay for it taxing the rich or printing money. Either way will probably artificially create inflation for a short time period until the rich have been bled dry or have left then the nation will go bankrupt. Inflation is like a drug to these people they will do anything to get their next high.

Of course eventually when all is done by manufactured there are two possibilities (1) population reduction or (2) universal basic income. 2 is the worst of the two because it leads to degeneration of the various human races for obvious reasons: it requires absolutely no skill to stay alive… Illiteracy might become common. Option 1 is better because not only does it not lead to degeneration but there will also be more wealth and thus resources available for the people who do exist thus allowing them to get more shit done. For example if there were only 100 people in my country each person would have billions to their disposal. They could easily expand their empire into space because they don't have to take care of a million other people.

Sorry I fucked up. 2nd paragraph is supposed to read when manufacturing and low skill jobs are taken over by robots.

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I would be, since I have a lot of time to socialize due to being unemployed. I am well connected in the community. You're just the fag that changes oil at jiffy lube, so nobody would want to stick their neck out for you.

How are NEETs enslaved? They are much more free than the working class. NEETs get money for nothing. Working class have to sign over 40-60 hours a week and all of their energy to the Jewish system for money. You don't have your head on straight, moron.

You have been so brainwashed by Jewish propaganda that you believe the exact opposite of the truth.

8fc5e6 is obviously a retarded edgy angsty 14-year old. Doesn't think things through beyond one or two steps.

He's probably saying "Yea! Drop a predator on Tom and his kids," but he's smart enough not to post it here and admit defeat to you!

That doesn't even make sense. How is liberation slavery? Orwell much you good goy faggot?

cuz the dash don't be silent!!

That is pretty retarded user. Are you a libertarian by any chance?

Replacing the bloated bureaucracy of the current welfare state in exchange for a pared down basic income scheme is not marxism.

Securing the nation and providing a basic social security system to the national citizens is a national socialist concept.

As opposed to the current welfare state that takes responsibility of each citizen's welfare, a basic income transfers the responsibility of health and well being to the citizens themselves. No more nanny state, each citizen gets a cut of the national profits and is responsible for how they use it.

It is also a perfect interim system between the current system and eventual reduction or removal of socialism by tying the entire socialist system to a single income figure which can be more easily adjusted.

said the slaves to the masters, begging to do as they please

what's wrong with basic income?

What's gay about spanking a girl like that guy is doing?

Everyone would turn into a trustifarian… do yoga… travel around the world having sex with other trustifarians and doing illegal drugs… making documentaries about the plight of little animals that aren't recipients of basic income, because of speciesist policies… play African drums arhythmically …

get a load of this guy

The only people who stop breeding because of economic conditions are the intelligent. The unintelligent will breed regardless.

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It wouldn't even matter, if they were
GOOD
people. But they're not. They are shit.

Basic income will become the way to control the people of the society and get rid of unwanted elements.

It's basically a scheme to introduce an Orwellian system. Where you have to obey and don't step out of the line or you won't have any money to pay your masters for food. And all of this will happen not because of robots or efficiancy in workplaces, no but because of outsourcing and deliberate shutdown of actual productional jobs. The west barely makes shit anymore, instead they have shipped all that shit overseas, because somehow the system is rigged that it's way cheaper to ship shit half across the world and back than having it locally in the country you operate.

It's a deliberate effort, i'm 99.9% sure of it. They rigged the economic system that way, that if you want to stay in business and be succesful, you have to sell your soul to the kikes and outsource the jobs to shitskins in China who can work for a small amount of money.

Basically it's kikes being kikes yet again. You know how to solve it.

RWDS. Basic income will be fucking horrible for us.

Watch the movie Idiocracy, friend. Idiots will never stop breeding.

We already have enormous reliance upon the "system."

Don't believe me? Lose electric power for a whole day. 24 hours. See what's that like.

You're already sucking on the "organism's" teet.