Chosen one VS Common man

Any character with the 'chosen one' trope instantly loses my support. No exceptions.

Authors and filmmakers are absolutely retarded in thinking that the common person could identify with 'the only child of two powerful wizards who died protecting him and giving him a unique scar that grants him special protection who can speak to snakes or the last surviving member of an ancient house of powerful dragon-riders who can walk into fires unhurt and go around in a continent full of rapists and liars without so much as a slap in the face''.

How the hell am I supposed to identify and sympathize with Harry Potter? How is this supposed to make anyone feel closer or root for the character? Let me put it to you this way: if Harry Potter were a banking movie I'd be rooting for the 1%. The worst part about it is that there is no alternative whatsoever to the 'chosen one' trope.Young adult garbage with the protagonist formula of 'has at least 1 dead parent, looks beautiful but thinks he/she is average-looking and is unaware of multiple romantic interests'' just makes it a whole lot worse since it's a subversion of the 'common man' in the sense that the protagonist is actually a special snowflake.

You say that it's impossible to identify with Harry Potter when there's an entire generation that treats JK's mealticket like the fucking gospel. It doesn't matter that Harry's a walking plot device devoid of personality or agency who has friends and mentors help him every step of the way, he's still the blank slate that millennials the world over have chosen to project themselves onto.

Everyone wants to be the special chosen one hero that's going to defeat the big bad and be remembered forever. Or, a snowflake.

Why the fuck do you need to identify with the character? Movies are a time sink until we die, not vicarious wish fulfilment.

But I agree, generally speaking, and add "The prophecy foretells…" It's bullshit and you instantly know the ending.

You don't, but a self insert protagonist is popular and easy enough to be in most every medium. Neo, Master Chief, Mario, Link, Harry Potter, Twilight Chick, 50 Shades Chick, Luke, you get the picture. Objective blank slates through which you the observer/gamer/reader/etc can explore the world.

I honestly didn't know anyone other than children and probably women did that. Media is just a way to waste time you're not using to be productive to me.

The common man is boring. We need extraordinary men for our escapism

what if he's chosen to be common?

A movie where it focuses in the follower or friend of the chosen one?

Any movies like that?

Everyone is common, accepting the fate of being common is for normies.

This is true, but
Girls can identify with her, because I bet they all think themselves hot and smart
Anyone who can't identify with Harry subconsciously idenitifies with him and guess what? He gets the hot girl at the end.
He looks bad, he is clumsy and an idiot, and slowly turns into a really handsome hero.

As for GoT, it had characters whom you could identify, but they have all died or bowed down to Queen Fatass…

Hermione isn't hot in the books (real life is debatable).

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This isn't a book board, nigger

no! everyone will love my chosen one! I don't care if I have to kill the whole industry to make it so!

how did she balloon up like this? Was it on purpose? Did she slim back down for more games of porn?

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That would be nice.

Lord of the rings.

I've always wanted to make a game like that, somewhat like FF12. But the guy you play as for the first 3/4ths """'dies""" and protomans, returns as the big villain and you have to take on your (assumably) minmaxed character.

Sadly it'd only work once and when walkthroughs came out "don't level him up" guides would appear.

well, some of them are

You could make it that somehow the chosen one's stats are transfered to the new hero.

eh I want it more that the chosen one that you spent all this time levelling up becomes an unbeatable monster. Sort of like if Auron switched sides and you had to take him out with Wakka

I like it when the story tires to fool the audience into thinking the main character is the chosen one only to reveal he was a common man all along or for the chosen one to bite it so the unlikely hero now must save the day without plot armor or divine intervention.

did someone say Chosen One?

I like the idea of the chosen one succumbing to the pressure and pulls an Anakin and the unlikely hero fighting him. But maybe he joins the hero early and get similar stats in the beginning?

ahh now that's good, and they can mustafar it up later

stand aside faggot.

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I'll sum this up for you:

Women love "chosen one" plots because they empathize with it. Women start out for the most part young, fertile, thin and attractive and have loads of attention diverted their way compared to the average man. This is why most of these stories deal with unwanted attention and dismissal of the form "wow so you are X? I want your autograph/ you aren't as good as I thought you would be". In the middle the protagonist faces some kind of challenge. What gets them through it is friends, love or hope for a better future. These are what primarily motivate women; men to a lesser extent. For instance, loyal friends could come in to help at an opportune time or inner strength is found through love for a prince etc. In the end the protag gets ahead of where they started through these means and now live a much better and happier life compared to where they were before: marrying the prince, making lifelong friends, becoming a more caring loving person.

Men love the "self made one" plots because they empathize with it. Men start out with nothing, with all the hot girls ignoring them and only upon adulthood start accumulating sufficient social skills and capital to date the women they want to. This is why most of the stories deal with rejection/falling to the lowest point and climbing back out: "fuck you loser, you aint shit". In the middle the protagonist overcomes challenges and what gets them through are the skills accumulated along the journey or the strength of their own willpower. The rugged self dependence of these protagonists is what primarily motivates men, women to a lesser extent. For instance, rocky goes on to nearly beat apollo, Simon goes from being a nerdy loser reject to facing God with a gigantic drill fuelled by willpower. In the end the protagonist gets ahead of where they were before but often the ending is tragic/bittersweet: winning what they wanted, but losing something they didn't think about in the process. But for the most part they make a name for themselves.

Berserk.

A lot of anime intended for males has this.

Anime aimed at children, ergo women.

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Some seinen anime has it too. I still like it anyway

if films could cut this shit out, it would be a lot better.

I'm always puzzled by this need to lower the heroes down to my level. What's the fucking point?

Why not make an effort to make the characters likeable so the audience can become emotionally invested in them?

who knows

tbh this shit works much better in a comic book. marvel tends to have its superheroes excel at kicking crime's ass, yet they struggle with day-to-day experiences.

I've been reading Aristotle's Poetics, and he says one of the keys to successful drama is to make the protagonists basically good people of high station – the kind of people we look up to. The whole "relatable protagonist" thing seems very contrary to that.

aristotle definitely has it right. that's why star trek works so well, you didn't relate to captain kirk, you watched him be the fucking boss and inspire young men to become men of action as well. that's also what nu trek threw out the window.

I think it's part of the Gold Star For Everyone ideal. People need things to aspire to, not the "Beautiful People" concept, but things you might call spiritually fulfilling (Not necessarily religious). Becoming a better person / citizen, learning a craft or trade, even just finishing something you started. Instead we got aspirational TV like One Tree Hill or Beverly Hills 90210. Then we got shows that just say "Fuck it, don't bother trying to be better, you're all great."

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I do this with harem anime tbh.

Harem is trash.

I know. It's just a fantasy.The anime I posted isn't even a true harem anime.

At least it isn't some kike tranny.

That's what I hate about Spiderman. He has superpowers, but can't pay Aunt May's mortgage. Rob a drug lord, asshole.

British people and most European countries have a long history of monarchy, wherein the person in power is chosen and special from birth and is given the right to govern everyone else because of muh divine right of kings.
Conversely in the US there is a rejection of the monarchy and instead the focus is put on exceptional individuals who prove their worth through words and actions but remain in touch with their common side. And they're usually pitted against those in power who are cruel or uncaring, but weak once they lose the power they've acquired.
Obviously this doesn't apply to everything or everyone, but the reason some people can get behind the chosen one and others can't is their opinion (whether it's a conscious one or not) on stuff like monarchy and the right of kings and rulers to wield power.
Other shit that followed Harry Potter is probably more influenced by that than the monarchy idea though.
inb4 a myriad of exceptions to this theory. It's just something to think about

wew

I'm not American or European, so I'm not trying to imply anything in favour of one or the other. But yes, it is Europeans who create "chosen one" stories because those stories existed before the Americas were even discovered.

Obviously, they exist in several different cultures and most of the western chosen ones are based on the kike messiah.

But we don't believe we're chosen by god to rule the America's. We believe it's our destiny to rule them because we're better than all the others who inhabit the two continents.

the true chosen one will kill all the jews

Manifest destiny was majorly about inherent godliness giving burgers the right to inhabit the land, mate. And it doesn't really matter if the destiny stems from God or virtuousness based on made-up principles.

Wait why did you pick a picture of Stannis Baratheon then? Its implied he's not actually Azor Ahai but is doing this because of his duty as the rightful king of Westeros and he gives a shit about the people.

Since all but the tiniest minority ever get to be monarch, the chosen one plot should be even harder to relate to. If anything Americans should have an easier time relating since some lowly peasant boy can potentially become President.

I like stories where "the chosen one" or "saviour" is just some asshole who gets wrapped up in a situation he wants nothing to do with.

OP is a grill….they need to identify with someone on the screen rather then watch the story unfold. That's why we have blank brunette noneednoman type always

Baldur's Gate 2 did it well. "you are the chosen oneeee!"

"also these 500 other guys, hey don't blame me, blame your dad's genitals"

I will tolerate magical prophecies in fantasy. But not in science fiction. Prophecies and “Chosen Ones” are the favorite band aids of horrible writers, to cover up their horrible writing. Star Wars prequels, Lost, Battlestar Galactica, etc, etc.

This is how you spot someone who hasn't read a book in his life.

They are completely different genres. The fact that you didn't know that means that you are part of the problem. Stores putting cyberpunk on the same bookshelf as Lord of the Rings is utterly retarded.

You just continue proving your functional illiteracy and massive plebianness.