The Balkanization of Europe

This.

What's useful for Russia in Eastern Europe?
Just a buffer against NATO?

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REMOVE!
REMOVE!

I'd be all for an independent Galicia though. Filthy Spaniards have been trying to force them to conform for ages

The balkanization of Europe is an official EU project.
No thanks.

Tsk tsk.

Having Eastern Europe is very important strategically. The Baltic Shield is a very huge portion of land that not only has no earthquakes or volcanoes but is also incredibly flat, and thus with very few geographic barriers. For example the highest point in the entirety of the Baltic is 300 metres high. The Baltic Shield also extends into west of the Baltic, so Poland isn't safe either.

Any Euro-map that has a Saami state larger than Estonia is automatically shit. There's like 40 000 of them. No one who has looked into it even slightly would give them that much land.

STILL NOT PANGEA

From one point of view I can agree with you, but from the other side smaller states may create a situation similar to the Italian Wars of the 16th century where foreign powers would sweep in and take what they can, which could end really bad, either because of the factions (commie China or democrat America or a new moorish invasion) or because of the general devastation.
But yeah if it wasn't for this particular then it is generally a good thing as it would be like a restart from which new nations may prosper.

No it's not, it's not that clear cut. They support certain balkanizations like Scotland or Catalonia because:
1. It's pushed by globalists they control, vs the central government (Britain and Spain) that either mildly or full out opposes them.
2. It thus weakens the capacity of those governments to resist them.

It's also hilarious because on both cases, Scotland and Catalonia are actually the seniors of the unions (the Aragoness monarch united the Spanish kingdoms, and the Scottish monarch united the British kingdoms)

Meanwhile though, compare to how they treat the independence movements in Bavaria, Flanders, or Wallonia. They're utterly ruthless to those, because ultimately that's where the EU center of power is, in the north central Europe (Germany, Netherlands and Belgium).

Way way back, they also helped crush the Brittany independence movement for that very reason, because France used to have much more say in EU affairs (now they're getting buttfucked for the krauts benefits like everyone else)

Ultimately, balkanization is necessary. European culture, all of it, is worth preserving. It needs to be done in a way that our external borders are preserved. Think like the HRE.

An addendum.

By "for kraut benefit", I mean for the kraut elites and kike bankers that use the kraut state, not for the kraut nation/peoples.

There's absolutely no nation or kin in the European continent that benefits from the EU.

Serbia is shit

Reminds me of those kikes who support splitting America in half

The problem is different though, as you're not "splitting" a nation (I'm pointing only at the White Americans) like you would do with the US but instead it's about giving power to effective nations which have existed for thousands of years.
Also I haven't proposed this as a possible way of solving things but as something that might happen.

This, a lot of identities and ethnics that are considered in OPs map are already extinct or dying out.

If this were to happen, it would be fine for as long as we're all united in wanting European lands for European Peoples.

Not going to lie, the secession for secession's sake people need to keep themselves strapped to their beds and not constantly stump for that position.

Division for division's sake was a Bolshevik tactic.

Unfortunately some wont go along with this, Catalonia comes to mind. Catalonia was the center of the left-anarchist uprising which led to the Spanish civil war and still to this day is a cesspool of radical leftism. If Europe balkanizes like in OPs pic then Catalonia will go full no-borders mode and open their asshole for whatever subhuman wants to come, this is still a better situation than current though since their neighbors can build border walls and contain it.

Denmark annex Slesvig-Holsten please.

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Please describe exactly how the EU has crushed the Wallonian or Breton independence movements. Then detail exactly how they supported the Scottish independence movement.

Thanks.

I don't see this as a huge concern. If a good white European society is built up that Catalonia doesn't wish to be a part of, we'll either beat them until they beg to be assimilated, or we'll just kill them and procreate in the land. No tolerance for leftist bullshit to come and bite us in the ass later.

no.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_independence_referendum,_2014#European_Union

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_of_Belgium

And that's just from kikepedia.

Do the rest yourself.

The EU WANTED Scotland out of the UK because it meant a weaker UK incapable of resisting EU centralization. They do NOT want separatists within their own core territories.

I actually think it would be better to let them suffer as an example for everyone else, then in 50-100 years once the local population has died out and the only people who are left are dysgenic dindus we can go through and reclaim the land.

That's just in the cities. The countryside, like all others, remains right.

That's the importance as well. The libs are gonna lib in the cities no matter what, but if the rural areas are controlled by proper nationalists, they're not gonna be able to shitlib as hard because we'll control their food and resources.

Isn't this part of the flag of a muslim nation?

That kind of defeats the purpose though. The Catalan identity will be gone, and that is a loss to us.

Yes

That, I believe are the flags or rather former flags, of the Andalusia and Badajoz territories from the times of the reconquista.

Gotcha. That must be why the EU told Scotland it would not get automatic entry rights into the EU, knowing that this was one of the central arguments for the pro-independence campaigners. They wanted Scotland to be independent so badly that they torpedoed the independence campaign. Is that right?

Do you know the difference between the SNP and the EU, you gibbering retard?

That means you have nothing. Absolutely nothing, just your fantasies about le ebil EU.

First of all [Citation Needed], secondly if thats true then split it off into two countries, make Barcelona a city state and wall it off.

The Catalan identity is not worth preserving.

AntiFa: The Country will be lost, so sad, much tears.

I mean, we could MAKE them suffer as we raided their cities and got our hands on their degenerates…

Either way, an example is made: With your idea, the example is what happens to leftist states - self-inflicted death. With my idea, the example is what happens when you're degenerate, traitorous, and useless - death inflicted by their superiors in the world.

Either way, we win and they lose.

I'm not sure how much I care about their specific identity. Different identities can lead to problems, such as the hatred of the Irish throughout history. A unified white identity prevents the same problems we have now with other races, wherein some classes are treated worse than others. We don't need infighting in a unified white Europe.

Are you implying that the EU isn't in fact a root of evil?

Many of the pro-EU people in Brussels said that Scotland should have automatic entry, also the SNP, the main independence force, being pro EU shows exactly where they were getting their money from.

Here

snp.org/pb_how_does_scotland_benefit_from_eu_funding

stv.tv/news/politics/1356298-sturgeon-eu-gives-universities-invaluable-funding/

(this one particularly, given universities status as indoctrination farms)

Have some more
stirlingsnp.com/stirling-snp-launch-local-campaign-eu-remain-vote/

Also all those delicious articles where SNP threatens a new Scottish independence referendum if Leaves wins.

But naaaah, the Scottish independence totally wasn't an EU funded ploy riding on the pop culture bullshit of some kikewood movie that misinterpreted the life of a guy that lived over seven centuries ago, and completely ignores the part where Scotland, not England, is the senior kingdom of the British realm according to the Acts of Union of 1707

Just like the Galician one right Spaniard?

Vaia com o diabo seu espanhol sem honra.

I forgot, it's American prime time.

Is for the trash, if my homeculture is dead and only some vague "whiteness" remains I rather live in some civic nationalist browniestate.

I find it hilarious one of the goals of the EU is to prevent another WWI or WWII but the reality is unless Russia and surrounding states is apart of that Union, it means literally nothing and will only make things worse. History has shown when one superstate is next to another, it creates a war even more disastrous than all the previous ones and then it'll be back to balkanisation once again. They never learn and it'll be all for naught.

all that would be necessary would be alliances.
smaller groups naturally congeal when faced with a larger threat.
such alliances are either due to coercion from the larger force or due to similar values. the latter would be hopeful.
apart from military access, military alliances don't necessarily carry extra baggage.
varying people with varying interests may deal with one another and seek their interests more precisely when parsed properly.
a large, centralized power, like the EU can do a good job, but from what i've seen it needs to go. it must be minimalistic and in large part temporary in its usefulness.

Europe cannot balkanize. You need a Trans-Nationalist Alliance.

We need the HRE.

Speaking of the HRE, old nobility (pre Enlightened Despot mode) and England and Scotland, the only fair way to proceed with a separation of Britain into Scotland and England would be for Scotland to accept the monarch remains with them, and the English have the decision of either electing a new monarch, keeping the Windsors or just coming up with something else.

If they kept the same monarch, then we'd have an interesting situation.

You realize that what you've said about their identity hasn't really made a point, yes?

But I should rephrase what I said. I'm not saying to remove all traces of different identities, because most of these identities have done something good for Europe through the ages, but we'd have to make sure that its very much a secondary identity. If we allow it to be more, we allow for the same kind of "oppressed identity, privileged identity" dynamic that's fucked modern society. It would do us no good to unfuck ourselves from the current situation just to fuck ourselves again by allowing for the same situation to crop up. Even if it didn't get THIS bad again, there's still the likelihood of such historic fuckery as what happened to the Irish cropping up again, and if we were to build a great society for whites only to allow for certain whites to get fucked, we haven't done a particularly great job.

Buuuut as far as Catalonia is concerned, its identity can go fuck itself. Catalonia's done jack shit for Europe except fuck it through Antifa. They get no consideration.

But the EU as a body then ruled that Scotland would not have automatic entry to the EU, which sunk the independence movement. Do you understand how the actions of the EU matter more than what a few opposition members say in its Parliament?

Please provide proof that the EU is directly funding the Scottish independence movement.
Okay, now I know that you're completely retarded.

And now you've confirmed that you're probably actively sucking cock as you write. If you don't understand why Scots think they got a raw deal out of the Union, maybe you should wait until you get to secondary school.

Still no evidence on the EU crushing the Breton, Walloon, and Flemish independence movements, I see.

The U.S. will be much more likely to balkanise than Europe.

i disagree.
the people of the US and the representatives of the states should constantly strive for autonomy, europe has a very strong history. the frence, english, germans, spanish, italians, etc… and much more distinct than the various states of the US.

if there's a very strong centralized power, the smaller states must keep that power in check whilst also keeping the private sector in check.
furthermore, the people must keep all of this in check and they must have capacity to do so: namely through media and the preservation of the freedom of expression.

NAME A SINGLE FUCKING ONE

you're right its the old flag of syria that the rebels currently use

Aragorn wasn't a country, Aragorn didn't participate in the reconquista. The histories like El Cid aren't linked to Valencia and Barcelona. Isabella wasn't queen of Aragorn. Their Mediterranean influence wasn't a key pillar in holding back the Turks and fighting the Barbaries.

You forget that Catalonia is not just Barcelona. Aragorn was Catalan as well.

As for secondary, no, fuck that. I am Portuguese first, European a very very VERY distant second. I am more than happy to be called a second rate white by krauts or brits. Heck if we're to believed shitposters, I'm not even that. I don't really care. But you'll have to do the same to me you do to the Aragonese before I yield.

This isn't about being oppressed. It's about my nation and my kin. Blood and soil, as say the pagans.

They couldn't because ultimately the English used what little influence they had to veto it. And good for them

I just gave you enough proof. Please go back to reddit if you can look at all the funding EU gives Scotland and how hard SNP shills for them and not understand it really is

It's true. Your entire Scottish independence bullshit is built on the pop culture shit of Braveheart. You don't know your own history.

If you don't understand why Scots think they got a raw deal out of the Union, maybe you should wait until you get to secondary school.

No, I don't, considering it was Scottish thinkers and philosophers of the so called Scottish Enlightenment crafted what it means to be British

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Enlightenment

Look at that list of names and realize that those are the architects and thinkers being Britain as a nation, then realize how retarded you are for actually thinking just because by sheer result of population density, London is the capital, that Scotland wasn't as if not more important.

Take pride in your nation. Don't spit on it because some Jew cast Mel Gibson as a guy whose story is so vastly misconstrued he'd probably be pro Britan if he were alive today.

I gave you a link that showed why Belgium is NEVER separating. Brussels is the capital of the EU power and the NATO power. If you honestly think any independence movement is allowed movement there, you are a joke.

As for Britanny

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_Démocratique_Bretonne

This is today. I admit I had no idea they'd gone full Kosher.

But here's this

So yeah.

Please leave.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_enlargement_of_the_European_Union#Scotland

Funny enough, Barroso didn't agree. I thought that fucking cunt would have jumped at the chance for a divided Britain on EU terms, but I suppose that'd be too obvious.

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Your race should always before your nation. Your nation means nothing if your race has failed and been destroyed, because with the destruction of your race comes the destruction of your specific national identity and culture. Then what will you say? "Oh, at least I made sure that I was Portuguese FIRST when I let it be destroyed, rather than let it be second and preserved"? Is that it? It's nothing more than a ridiculous hill to die on.

Look, I get why you could love your national identity and heritage. On my end, I'm of Irish descent and my family fought for the Confederacy, which is something I'm extremely proud of… but I'm not going to pretend as though either of those parts of my identity are anywhere near as important as my racial one, because with no white race means no Irish heritage and no Confederate heritage. Keep that in mind, my friend.

(Funny enough this guy's AfD)

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I think you're confusing nation with state. It's okay, English has been plenty fucked.

If the day comes when the Moors finally return and finish the job, Portugal will simply cease to by, and so will the Portuguese.

If the day comes with Spain finally gets good at war and conquers us and successfully destroys us culturally and (to a lesser extent since we have similar ancestry) ethnically, we cease to be.

This isn't a matter of just culture or just my state.
Portuguese is every bit a "race" as Spaniard, French, British, German, etc.

Nay, even more so if you consider those other examples include many distinct ethnic groups with different cultures. Spain alone has four. Castillian, Catalonian, Basques and Galician.

NONE OF THESE ARE PRO-EU PEOPLE IN BRUSSELS LIKE YOU CLAIMED

One is in fact anti-EU.

Several are British, not even from other EU countries.

The only one with any connection to the EU, who is also a Brit which makes calling him a pro-EU person in Brussels rather dishonest, is quoted as saying the SNP are WRONG.

You obviously knew your claim was baseless which is why you refused five times to name someone, despite being called on it by two different people, and instead just spout links and quotes which in fact only make your position less tenable.

Where are these phantom eurocrats on the SNP's side?

You're a cybernat hiding from reality.

Hm, interesting point, but let's be honest: Do we really think Finland has another Simo Häyhä to contribute to its defense if an ever larger, more powerful Russia decides to attack it? Hell, even one wouldn't be enough. They'd need several Simo's, and I just don't think they have it.

Honestly, once the EU inevitably collapses, I expect Finland to have Russia rushing in to take it within a few years, tops.

So, you admit then that the EU did not in fact support the Scottish independence movement?

No, you didn't.

Okay champ. That's great.

Prove that the EU is suppressing independence movements. Now.

Also remember that Finland still lost in the end because they think fuck all of life and just throw people at them literally like that one rifle for every two men policy.

He's a retard who's making up facts to fit his chosen narrative and wasn't expecting to have to provide evidence or proof or even logic for his fantasies.

Are you shitting me? Do they literally need to live in Brussels? If so, apologies, I indeed can not find a eurocrat specifically living in Brussels that supported the independence. Mostly because I don't care enough to do so.

Fact remains that geopolitics and realpolitiks, as well as the flow of money, all are sufficient evidence that the SNP and the independence movement was nothing but an EU attempt at weakening Britain, because they saw something like the Brexit looming.

They're STILL using it by having SNP threaten another referendum if Brexit succeeds. I don't quite understand why you would want independence on the EU's terms, but then again, you're probably a shill and not actually a Scot.

The EU bureaucracy wanted it. They knew by their own rules they couldn't force it.

Wouldn't be just Britain. Spain would never allow it either as it would embolden their own separatists.

It's okay son, not everyone can browse /his/

brusselsjournal.com/node/2395

And I should point out, Rompuy indeed succeeded in ending that change Flandres got for independence.

I shouldn't have to say, of course, that he later went on to being literally the head of the EU.

But I'm sure that was just a coincidence :^)

Good point, good point. Finns are annoyingly drunk, nihilistic fuckers, in my experience, and it will always bite them in the ass.

I should point out, through all this, I'm not even against Scottish independence. I'm just against the cancerous tumor upon the West that is the European Union. And if you aren't as well, you don't belong here. Fuck off to Reddit.

If the value of modern identities continues to disintegrate europe will probably break apart this way

They need to ACTUALLY BE LINKED TO THE EU IN SOME WAY, not just random politicians, advisors and lecturers from member-states.

If that's all that counts, then the SNP themselves would have counted.

ONLY ONE of them had ANY connection to the EU and he said the SNP were WRONG, and was a Brit anyway.

You made up a fake claim.

You tried to fob me off with a fake source you either hadn't read or knew didn't actually back up your claims.

You tried to fob me off again with the same fake source.

You admit your source doesn't back up your claim in the least but insinuate that it should somehow still count for no reason.

You make it clear you have no intention of backing up your original fictitious claim.

FUCK OFF AND DIE.

ZERO EVIDENCE OF ANY OF THE THREE.

Okay then, you're right. Scotland totally wasn't an EU ploy to weaken Britain.

Then why is the SPN supporting Remain?

So why didn't they allow it to automatically join?
So why didn't they allow Scotland to join, ensuring the UK would remain whole, you fucking braindead moron?

What rules? Specify the exact rules.

How? How did he use the EU to do this? Again, be extremely specific.

He'll just keep trying to fob you off with nonsense. One of the whole problems with the EU is that it will perfectly happily ignore its own rules when that suits it. Except not on this one occasion, apparently, because that's what need to be true in order to make his on the stop fantasy logically possible.

go back to scotland, stranger.

Go back to Ivory Coast 2.0 if you love it so much.

They never said they wouldn't allow it, they said they'd have to reapply.

Naturally involving an even harsher occupation treaty.

Any new addition to the EU requires approval from all members of the EU. And no, I don't know exactly while law or article this is stated in, I simply know how it works from the slow integration of Eastern Europe.

No. Learn to read between the lines and understand what backroom deals are.

Barroso did the same thing to Portugal. He pushed for the politicians here to sign the fucking thing, this after he had left us with a ridiculous deficit.
It's the same damn method every time.

I'm just waiting. Why is the SNP so vehemently pro EU.

I actually found you the exact treaty for this

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_the_European_Union

See how his story makes no sense? One moment eurocrats are all-powerful and can forever prevent secession at the snap of their fingers, the next they're rendered powerless to the member-states by their own rules.

Join the club. I'm waiting for

You're right man, totally nothing suspicious there.

Just a pure (((coincidence)))

You know what, I'd almost want England to leave and Scotland to stay. And then bring up Adrian's Wall again. I'd personally travel to England to help them rebuild it. And then ship all the mudslimes over the wall since they'd be your "multicultural European" problem.

Also

Yes! Because having influence over their own country politics and connections there is the same as being able to influence a country where most politicians that aren't labor are Euroskeptics.

Really, what are you?
American?
Scottish?

Just a shitposting?

I'm interested. I need to make sense of the faggotry I'm dealing with.

I wonder if his second name is Farage.

There we have it. All your claims about eurocrats and realpolitiks and every other buzzword under the sun, and this is what your evidence really comes down to: "well I just can't believe the SNP would like the EU unless it's on their side."

You're being very stupid. The SNP likes the EU because the EU harms nations, and harming Britain is the SNP's founding principle. That does not mean the EU likes the SNP. The EU works with anyone who works for it, whether that's the SNP or unionist leftists. It doesn't give a shit so long as it's pushing progressivism. In fact, it's easier to do that with a large, mainstream party, so if the EU did have to pick a side (I'm not going to claim it did and make up fake evidence to back my fiction like you did) then it should side the the unionist Leftists, since they're much better established.

The faggotry in this thread is your own dishonesty getting called out.

You are performing some next level mental gymnastics to try and protect the SNP and the Scots and I still don't quite understand why, but whatever. I have no beef. Enjoy your EU dick.

Oh look! Now implications that one of the last good politicians in Britain is bad. Truly this must be the words of an established Holla Forumsack! Why what other kind of person would oppose Farage and his platform
Oy vey

Sure mate, stay mad. Please keep defending the SNP and the EU.

Alternatively, you could just hang yourself and save the reaction some rope and lamppost space.

Oh fuck off.

What the fuck are you talking about? You genuinely can't understand that the SNP are a different evil to the EU, nor that someone else could think so?

And when you have zero evidence for the world the way you think it is, instead of admitting it, you fake it and try to deceive the thread into believing your idiotic worldview through dishonesty?

No.

I deceive nothing, and there are no coincidences, especially not in politics.

But I concede that there are no outward proofs, so I'm dropping the matter. Believe what you will.

Give a single name from your "many" pro-EU eurocrats.

Give a single piece of evidence for your geopolitics claim.

Give a single piece of evidence for your realpolitiks claim.

Give a single piece of evidence for your cash claim.

Give literally any evidence at all of EU support for the SNP besides "i'm simply incapable of believing otherwise. u mad?", which is all your claims do far have come down to.

Believe what you will. I've conceded.

wait you claim all that stuff for ages and link to what you say if evidence then concede there's no evidence?

this is exactly what the globalists want

small nations they can control that don't have enough resources under their control to ever oppose them.

That is why they broke the Balkans up, its what they are trying to do to Iraq

Yes. He's utterly dishonest. He's made up a fantasy story in his head, tries to trick the thread into believing it with fake proof, then admits it was all lies from the start and still has the gall to tell us "Believe what you will." despite all the glaring logical inconsistencies in his claims and his prior dishonesty.

Angela Merkel, David Cameron, Jaun Clade Junker, Stalin, Soros

Stumped.

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I do not withdraw my claim.
I remain convicted that the SNP and the Scottish independence, just like the Catalan independence (in their current organized forms I must add) are nothing but EU tools for the weakening of individual nations of Europe, and thus facilitating their incorporation into the larger European federal state.

I do however, concede that I can not properly source this claim. I linked sources I believed were sufficient, you were not satisfied with those. Ergo, I failed in proving the point

tl;dr: I lost, fuck more you want from me?

I still want to know what country you're from. It'd better help me understand the kind of faggot I'm dealing with.
Israel?

i didn't say anything about your links but the other posters pointed out that they weren't about the people you said they were when you posted them.

I assumed given they were pro-EU politicians they'd be sufficient.

Apparently he literally wanted top EU people. That, I admit, I can not find.

You got it. Obviously I'm from Israel. Only Israelis would ask for proof, or even the slightest bit of evidence, for any of your claims. You should know by now that anyone who doesn't believe it when they're told nameless people said something, or someone funds someone else, or politics means such and such, can only be an Israeli.

And calling your dishonest after you admit lying to everyone? No doubt whatsoever, where else could I come from but Israel?

They weren't even pro-EU politicians. One is AfD. One was a lecturer.

If pro-EU politicians siding with the SNP proves the EU backs the SNP, then the pro-EU stance of the SNP itself is enough proof.

You just wanted to imply there were more outside the SNP and outside Britain, which turned out to be a total fiction, as you would have known if you'd actually been speaking from a position of knowledge instead of just making shit up and google searching for evidence on wikipedia when you need it.

ASHES AND ECHOES

I pointed out one was AfD. He was still defending a pro-EU stance, which I found interesting.

Anyway, again, believe what you will. If you want to believe the Scottish independence was not EU backed, that's your problem.

And damn right I think you're a kike. Only a kike would defend the SNP or the EU.

I see the problem: you're retarded. You think facts = political views. If someone agrees with the SNP's imaginary laws, that's a pro-EU view. If someone doesn't believe your SNP lies, that makes them pro-SNP.

why does Holla Forums love serbia so much?

well which politicians were you thinking of in the first place when you said how there were so many in brussels?

None. It's obvious he came up with the claim off the top of his head and then did a quick google search to desperately find some way of backing up his fantasy tale.

Honestly I was under the belief Barroso had given support, but I was dead wrong on that apparently.

But lets not get into this.

Why are you still arguing? I already admitted defeat and said I can't back my claims.

What more do you want?

Because if you want me to say I don't believe the SNP is EU backed, you're not getting that.

Fought against globalist interests, meaning they were the enemies of the EU & NATO. One of the few nations in recent history that removed kebab, which wasn't a war for Israel.

You do get the odd Bosniak, Ustase and Albanian faggot that will try to shit post and make a flame war thread.

(((they))) didn't break the Balkans, the Balkans broke up because people didn't want to stay united the way it was so there was wars.

Meh 3/10