Let alone a well-done one?
In light of all the SJW antics we see in superhero comics, "grrl power" shows like Legend of Korra, and even Abrams Star Wars one thing I've come across in talks of this is the "strong woman."
The thing is, I have yet to see anybody say what that is without trying to police creators. It is some girl like Korra who's a master of most elements, shilled to the heavens, and whose critics either hop on her train, turn out to be foes, or are discredited?
I think a consensus among a lot of people is that a strong female should mean emotionally strong as opposed to physically strong.
The whole thing is a fucking minefield though, especially since good character writing does mean fleshing out a character with actual flaws and vulnerabilities. The answer is to not write characters with any kind of agenda in mind.
"Strong women" are delusional fantasies created by feminists and henpecked males that serve to bring an unrealistic example of how women would act on the face of crises, in which they would normally panic and seek the attention and aid of their closest acquaintances. Common traits of a "strong woman" include muscular or fit bodies, dominant in-your-face attitudes, and a peculiar absence of menstruation periods. Their presence and actions in their environment causes a disruption in the normal societal hierarchy, and regardless of the destruction caused are often glowingly praised, and any form of criticism towards them are quickly silenced.
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Spot the MRA.
Found a feminist.
Why do we have this thread every week.
A strong female character should be a character who's just a full fleshed out character who also happens to be a woman.
Yet people who clamor for a strong female character really only want a mary sue to kick all the silly boy's butts while wondering why no one likes these characters.
To me, a "strong woman" (well, more like a well written heroine) is a woman who happens to be capable to get shit done, and actually does get shit done. It doesn't really matter how many times she cries or gets beaten up, it doesn't matter how many times she fails, what's important is that she has to stand up against all odds. The best heroes are those who aren't perfect, and I would also add that weak heroes who win through sheer willpower and some wits are even better.
Sadly, I guess what most artist understand for a "strong woman" is often a woman in her thirties, probably not very pretty and/or overweight, but above everything with a really marked frown in her face at all times. They are also not very talkative to avoid breaking that air of mystery surrounding them, but will sometimes break their silence to make some passive aggressive remarks to state out that yes, they are stronger than the men they are beating. This is not necessarily bad writing, but it has already been done to death and it's pretty bland.
In my opinion, those are:
Korra:
Strong, has her own will and usually isn't a damsel in distress, but cooperates with the other guys on the same level. She has some weaknesses anyway and basically dumps her boyfriend for career.
Powerpuff Girls:
For being cliché little girls which are therefore underestimated by everyone, but keep save the day while half of the population consists of idiots.
Ramona Flowers:
Yeah, I don't like her because I think she's a slut who uses everyone. But on the other hand… yeah… she uses everyone. She doesn't know what she really wants, but at least does what she currently wants, isn't dependent on anyone, fights for others. For me, she's the only good female comic book movie heroine.
That she's obsessed with Gideon isn't part of her character, but he's got literally control of her, which was a clever choice. I wouldn't trust her, but hey… maybe because her confidence just scares me.
Toph:
Again, strong, independent, knows how to save herself, figures stuff out on her own, but isn't simply a "male character in the body of a female", which is often the case with tomboy characters, but is aware of her feminine side.
She just doesn't like to show it, it seems.
Zelda:
From the Zelda cartoon, constantly cockblocking the protagonist. Very close to real life. OOOOOOH~
Strong characters the authors have ruined:
Rainbow Dash
Lisa Simpson
Janine (from Ghostbusters)
The reason most "strong women" characters are shit is that they are written just to be that, so they have to have typical characteristics so the moron audience can recognize that it's le current year strong wymyn. Rather than making them an actual character they make it a stereotype to gain good goy points and praise from leftist audience and journos. The same goes for all minority characters written just to fill mr Goldberg's diversity quota.
Now pics related is how you do it right.
I know you sure are since you sperg out at icky grils.
Sure.
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What's a strong woman you ask? A mother willing to fight monsters to rescue her child, a sister who helped her sickly younger brother..not one of those "strong" women you see on TV. Case in point, Ellen Ripley in Aliens is a good example of a strong woman.
Is that what strong men do?
Poor mountain lion, deprived of its food by the stupid bitch.
(((There is literally nothing wrong with being a fuckin heeby kikeburger.)))
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We should add onto this by noting that "flaws" don't count if they make the girl more endearing or "empowering."
Answer: White men are the biggest market outside of East Asia.
Not what the leftist kikes think she is.
Certainly not Korra and her ilk. A strong woman, to the Marxist, is basically a man with boobs, but also with all the failing of the typical female character, to keep her "in touch" with her feminine side.
A strong woman is a woman that can face adversity and live through it, a woman that can take care of her family, her husband and children, a woman that doesn't turn the very concept of womanhood on its head.
Take the Japanese ideal of Yamato Nadeshiko. This female ideal is expected to be loyal to her clan, faithful to her husband, uphold the household's honor at every opportunity, be submissive and defer to her husband in all matters.
She's also expected to run the household when her husband is away, and even defend it from invaders, and if all else fails kill herself to save her, and and her family's, honor. Her docile surface hides a strong core that showcases that a woman can be strong, while still being a "stereotypical" woman. There's plenty of historical examples of such women in Japanese history.
Korra is a fucking Mary Sue, on top of being a godawful human bean.
Nigger, are you fucking tripping? A point of contention between Katara and Toph is that Toph is very unwilling to act the lady, under any circumstance. She is the very embodiment of a tomboy.
competent = boring
She's tried to wear makeup to seem more feminine in the past because she's self-conscious about it. IIRC she's never really had a problem with dresses, either, which is something tomboys freak the fuck out about.
I don't mind playing as a girl in games as long as she isn't constantly going on and on about how "silly boyz i am strong like you xDDD"
Yes, but there is e.g. a scene where she e.g. attempts to kiss Sokka.
Neither did anyone before the Age of Marxism.
I mean, look at the old Lara Croft. She was massively popular, both as a franchise, and as a character, and when you look into her personality you get a strong woman that can get shit done, pretty much dominates anyone that gets in her way (be they male or female) and saves the day.
Then the leftist subhumans come along and don't like that gamers like a good looking female character with nice assets, so they go on a quest to "improve" Lara and make her into the strong, independent womyn they know she can be. Basically, they turn her into a whiny little bitch that spends the whole first game crying and complaining while she guns down men in their hundreds, while the game has a disturbing focus on what is basically snuff porn of her dying in gruesome ways. They turn her into a Jennifer Lawrence cuntbag, with no interesting personality traits, and a "realistic" body.
Basically, moral of the story is to round up leftists and Jews and gas them, least they multiply.
I remember there was one scene in the first game where a man was basically trying to rape her. I forget that leftists are like niggers and they constantly have to remind us how ebil da white man is by raping women just like niggers have to remind us about muh slavery and let's not forget the (((CHOSEN PEOPLE))) reminding us of THE SHOAH.
These kikes are really pushing their luck and I feel like they are running on borrowed time at this point. If there is another holocaust, this one might be the last one for these kikes.
tl;dr jews better watch out when ol' Ben arrives to Tel Aviv
Why is it "the Legend of Korra" when she never did anything legendary or comparable to her most recent predecessor? Plaguing the world with spirits and fighting three petty enemies in country sized conflicts doesn't make you more legendary than the guy who defeated a world spanning empire and who ended a 100 year war.
A strong woman should mean something similar to a strong man which is to say a woman of exemplary character, mental fortitude and deed but since the bar is set so low for women both real and fictional even a woman that meets the bare minimum of standards of a semi respectable man would work.
Unfortunately most "strong female characters" don't even meet that criteria and fall into being either 1 dimensional Mary Sue's or completely pitiable basketcases that we are expected to love because of how "real" they are.
If you want to make a good female character just write a good male character and change the gender, sjw's will call it a man with boobs but they're completely out of touch anyway so who cares?
Men and women are not the same, so "a full fleshed out character who is also a woman" doesn't address the issue at all. What does "full fleshed out" mean to you? To mean it would be a woman who actually acts like a woman, instead of like a man like 90% of the women in media.
Weak bait.
And they all were going apeshit about it. They clamor for a more realistic Tomb Raider experience and then chimp out when the real world rears its ugly head.
I don't know. On the one hand, the only reason Israel still exists is because it's constantly being propped up by Western powers, and with most Western nations going full nigger/mudshit by 2050 that support is gonna evaporate.
On the other hand the Middle East is a clusterfuck, with any nation that could pose a serious challenge to Israel shitting itself back to the 6th century, while Jews slowly expand their borders.
She was an Avatar with a vagina with her own TV show. Remember, bigotry of lowered expectations.
Daily reminder that, in fact, mass murder is not going to help your problems
It would have if good goys had let uncle Adolf finish the job.
You're not being cool or edgy, you're just causing noise pollution.
To be fair a lot of female characters are poorly made to appeal female players, specially in action games.
you have no idea how fucking deluded you are, do you
do you know what the winning side calls its propaganda?
the news
it looks like this actually
What'd they do to Janine?
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Where was he when Legend of Korra was getting made?
Couldn't Azula count as a strong female character (who just happens to be evil)?
A strong skilled firebender who had the flaws of not understand normal social situations and only having friends through fear and starts slowly mentally breaking down into a paranoid wreck when she has no one to give orders (as fire lord) to or has to do things herself (firing of servants who did basic tasks for her).
A factor of Toph that has to be brought up is because she's blind she ends up being a female character who doesn't care (or even know) about her own physical (or others) appearance.
Eg: Would you care about wearing make up when you can't even see it on your face (or anyone else's face)?
One that is well written
A role model.
But a role model doesn't make for a very good character in my opinion.
Good characters need flaw regardless of what they are, but women commonly see any flawed woman as a critique on all women.
They can't have nice things because of this.
Beyond that are the impossible doublethink ideals of what makes a good role model.
Make her too unemotional or physically strong and she is just a man with tits.
Make her too emotional or less strong than a man and you're calling women weak.
Few argue when you make them smart so a bunch are smart with no trade offs.
The idea of "pretty" with a western libtarded audience in mind is the worst.
Make her ugly and you're calling all women ugly.
Make her conventionally pretty and you're objectifying women.
So you instead get all these plain jane characters with no flaws and thus no character.
They can't all point to one and say
Everyone would just emulate that character and this thread wouldn't be here.
The simple fucking fact of the matter is that at the end of the day the female audience problem isn't with the female character, it is the genre she is in.
Spoiler Alert for a fact of life itself.
Girls do not like the action genre.
If they did the world itself would be a very different place.
I wanted to know…are the writers of Sonic Boom that good that they sneaked in jabs at the PC crowd?
I know it's /a/ bullshit, but take a look at smug related. Usagi Tsukino is an excellent example of a "strong woman" done right. Usagi is immature, undisciplined, cowardly, whiny, an awful student, can't cook, and is generally pretty awful at everything she does. She's basically your female Guybrush analog, minus the contempt. As a result, she's the single most relatable character in the series.
What makes her strong is her ascension throughout the two or so years as Sailor Moon. She starts off as completely inept as her job as a Sailor Senshi, completely incapable of doing her job without the aid of others. However, as the story progresses, she matures quite a bit and becomes a comparatively better hero and person in general. She still needs the aid of her friends, of course, because that's kind of the point of the series.
It would be similar to Sailor Moon. It's girls doing girl stuff, worrying about the issues of everyday life, gossip, and pining over boys. Then there's some magic fight scenes involving the power of friendship and corny dialog about true love.
So, indeed it would be very different. The problem is when the PC crowd tries hijacking shit that doesn't belong to them, forcing their narrative, when they should be making their own content, like Naoko Takeuchi and Chiho Saito did. Instead, Rebecca Sugar blatantly ripped off Sailor Moon and Revolutionary Girl Utena, while completely misunderstanding what made those franchises so successful.
Whoops. I went on a tangent, and I don't even like anime and manga that much.
For a more Holla Forums related example, Judge Cassandra Anderson comes to my mind in these kind of cases
She originally started as a character exclusively made for the Judge Death storyline (that later became to be known as the Dark Judges saga), in which she sacrificed herself to contain Judge Death in her body with Boing, a "miraculous" plastic spray that sealed her body completely
Thing is, both Death and Anderson became popular with the readers, and while Death was meant to be Dredd's nemesis and was going to be brought back anyway, Anderson was brought back due to how much of a fan favorite she became, eventually aiding Ol' Dreddy against Death and the other Dark Judges
Eventually she was given her own separate strip, Anderson Psi-Division, getting her own stories apart from Dredd's
Now, the strengths of Anderson are that she's more humane compared to Dreddy, and to the entire force of Judges to be honest, the fact that, as a Psi-Judge, she's not restricted to the emotional and mental restrictions of your average Judge, because her psychic powers need her to be more "relaxed", this allows her to show more empathy and emotions than most of the force, and her casual and irreverent attitude leads her to be more rebellious and have more sense of humor than Stony Face Dredd; while Dredd is zero-bullshit, serious business, I AM THE LAW and all that stuff, Anderson is more prone to crack a joke and throw cheesy one-liners here and there
While she's allowed to be more expressive and open than Dredd, she doesn't have the same mental fortitude than him, she's not over-emotional per say, but she doesn't shut her human side as much as Dredd or Hershey does, and shit affects her more in result (like in 5th pic), and her more casual personality leads to her having sort of an attitude, at least compared to the rest of the force…
All of this could easily have been a failure if not for Wagner and Grant being actually being good writers
People confused "strong" female characters *Well written with a strong personality,* with "Strong female" characters *Mary Sues that are super badass.
This is even funnier when you realize these two twats liked The Force Awakens and Rey.
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Get out, Anita.
You too,
You don't have to be a fedora tipping MRA to recognize and call out feminism, cuck.
You have to go back.
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Literally proves the mentality of women.
When they see better, they want to reduce the better to the same level as they are.
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You haven't proved a single thing about why he apparently isn't a massive tipper. Meanwhile, his post speaks for itself.
To a man, his mother might be the greatest since she's the only woman who ever protected him.
Yup. Making an effort is "sexist", expecting women to try and be attractive is "submitting themselves to the whims of the patriarchy".
And God forbid you remind them that attractive women actually have to work hard to keep up their "beach ready" body.
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Bitch please, it takes skills and dedication to be a good housewife.
Prove you wrong about what? You calling me names and thinking ad hominems are an argument? Is this what passes for debate in the tumblr Stalag?
You're obviously upset at the thought of a woman choosing to be a housewife, or at women wanting to be feminine and attractive to men.
Guess you championing freedom of women only goes as far as when they are doing exactly what you want them to.
That Tribly McTip over here isn't an insecure "ew grils" type which his hurr durr "they'd just run away". Like how totally panicked and ran to get her husband instead of doing it herself… oh wait.
No projecto, he's obviously upset that there are women who do anything besides being a housewife.
Guess you're illiterate.
You are only proving that a housewife is stronger than some of the "liberated" women.
How so?
Why don't you actually give a factual counterpoint instead of calling him names?
Maybe then I'd stop treating you like a hysterical woman that is proving his point.
Because she cares enough for her child to fight a mountain lion.
The "liberated" women do not have even children, they aborted them.
Here is a modern "liberated" woman. And they wonder why men would rather seek emotional fulfillment with a fictional character, or travel thousands of kilometers to find an Asian wife.
Why do you defend his lack of factual counterpoint and call names?
Maybe then I'd stop treating him like what he made himself out to be?
Nice meme
That woman is from Colorado, a red state.
She's probably a conversative and loving mother.
Because they saw a few SJWs on the internet and due to their autism associated that with all girls so they could have an excuse to engage in waifufaggotry?
And she proved that guy wrong, so whether she's trailer trash or not is irrelevant.
He made a point. The modern "strong woman" archetype is a product of betacuck fantasies. Why do you think most women in those stories end up with the weak beta?
Whedon is the very definition of this phenomenon. And just to give you another example of what I'm talking about, "Chuck" is a good showcase too.
No, because Western women like you are so inherently repulsive they'd rather masturbate to a 2D drawing than interact with you. You can thank feminism for that.
No he didn't.
So like I said before "they saw a few SJWs on the internet and due to their autism associated that with all girls".
Well you sure proved yourself to be good at arguing, didn't you Milton Dew?
That guy also said:
So she fits the stereotype of strong protective conserative farmer housewife to a T.
That was a different guy.
That's even more pathetic.
No ID so I can't tell, but they probably have the same point.
"liberated" women aren't strong at all, it's the housewives that are.
And they still aren't as strong as their husbands.
Still trying hard to make up for your lack of real arguments, I see?
Not really since that articles proves the first guy wrong.
Nigger, you're so cucked and effeminate I thought you were a woman. It's time to yourself.
And people have given you plenty of talking points, all of which you've refused to talk about, instead resorting to ad hominems ala "virgin" and "MRA", likely thinking this is tumblr and anyone gives a shit.
What talking points? Dank "ur a girl" and "Back toTumblr" maymays?
If you want to get into technicality, a mountain lion ain't a monster.
Well if you want to get into technicality monsters don't exist, so it's a moot point.
So that guy is right, strong women do not exist since there are no monsters.
So that guy is wrong, because if he was right than that woman wouldn't have saved her kid and got her husband to do it and would have ran in the face of crisis like he said.
He didn't mention monsters, that was another guy.
Well, that guy is a tipping fedora man.
Anybody ask how big their guts are, how many cats they have, and where are the manginas?
Well, Azula did manage to be better than every lead foe in LOK.
Oh, you are talking about this guy:>>618597
To be frank, the mother saving her child from the mountain lion is no way a "normally" act.
It is an extra-ordinary example.
The "strong women" in fiction do this on a regular basis.
Wow, this thread quickly turned to the worst kind of shitposting I have seen in months.
Wow, this thread quickly turned to the worst kind of shitposting I have seen in months
He said times of crisis. Is mountain lion attack not a crisis? Is it just more convenient to say it doesn't count?
It's convenient to say this is an extra-ordinary example, to the point where it makes the news.
If this is normal and expected for woman, it wouldn't make news.
It's called the bigotry of lowered expectations. What the left thinks is ordinary, and expected, from men, is extraordinary and praiseworthy for women. The left, in its praise of female "achievements", shows their contempt and veiled admittance of their inferiority.
Same with nignogs and Affirmative Action. How an ideology can claim all humans are equal, and in the same breath champion racial discrimination is beyond me, but Marxists have always managed to outdo themselves.
After all, this is the goal of feminism, to make muh womyn to seem as strong or even stronger than men.
So was Raiden, by the way.
Bullcrap, this still would have made the news if it was a man because it's about someone prying the jaws of a dangerous animal open to save a child.
Nice try faggot but prying jaws of predators isn't expected from anyone. Back to Holla Forums.
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It's not even that. Feminism is the idea that women can whine, nag and bitch and men until they do what they want, and then they turn right around and claim the accomplishment as theirs.
Really, it's just Marxism painted pink.
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Damn, all across Holla Forums I'm seeing you cunts.
…..Oh….
Marxist filth once again slithering across the ground like the bottom feeders they truly are, spreading their cancerous Jewish fairy tales and forcing them on all, whether they like it or not.
If you want a circlejerk, maybe Reddit is more suited to someone like you?
It's worse when there are newfags.
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Remember goyim
The left loves blaming all the ugly shit they stir up on the other guys. It's how they survive their parasitic nature.
Do you know why the fascists of the 1930s were full on censorship?
Yes, neo-kikes. The left is doing it now.
I'm sure you know why that is?
Look at this faggot and his "anyone who doesn't side with me in an argument is Da Jooz". He probably where's a tinfoil hat over his first tinfoil hat.
What does this have to do with what I said?
Fucking dumbass.
Nigger, they've been doing it all along.
Senators Joseph Lieberman (Democrat and Jew) and Herbert H. Kohl (Democrat and Jew) led the witch hunt against Doom, Night Trap and Mortal Kombat.
Jack Thompson was a registered Democrat during his crusade against vidya. And when people say "soccer moms" trying to hint they're conservative women, they fail to mention that the vast majority of women always votes left.
So, no, the right wing was never doing this shit, it was always the left.
Yes, goyim, it's all (((coincidences))). The Chosen People are victims of bigotry, and have never done anything to rile up the masses. Those stupid, ignorant, Christian white goyim merely hate the Tribe because they are so successful and benefit society!
Alright, but I've seen it from the Zionist "Christians" as well.
Sure, and what have they ever fucking accomplished? Get ridiculed by everyone for saying Dungeons and Dragons are a secret Satanist indoctrination tool? And make note, even then D&D kept going unopposed. No trigger warning, no special pronouns, no "respect the freaks" notations by the writers. Meanwhile, one only has to look at what the left has done to White Wolf properties to see what true blight looks like.
Yet, despite failing to accomplish anything of note in this context, the right wing gets the majority of the blame. I wonder why that is?
Sorry, but the left/right paradigm still needs to die.
Oy vey.
Righty didnu nuffin.
You have to go back: >>>Holla Forums
Okay.
Fucking kill yourself you goddamn nigger. Fascism is neither right-wing nor left-wing, and it isn't moderate. Stop putting words in my mouth like a Jew.
How about you figure it out yourself you fucking idiot. I made it very clear what I was referring to.
The fascists of the 1930s had censored anything outside of their doctrine (created a circlejerk) because Marxism was dangerous and taking the time to argue was useless.
Shouldn't you be LARPing as the SS with your fellow naziboos on your hugbox?
No you didn't.
So basically you're admitting you want a Holla Forums circlejerk?
Got some thoughts on this. You know how "Mary Sue" characters are stereotyped as female? There's a reason for that, its called pattern recognition
I think where it starts is with the princess fantasy. Stories like Cinderella where all an ordinary girl's problems are solved by other people showing up, or sleeping beauty where the "heroine" falls under a sleeping spell and then wakes up later after the prince is done risking his life to save her.
These stories are criticized for not "letting" the female lead play a more active role, but they should arguably be taken to task for having the main character basically be handed her happy ending when other people do everything for her.
Disney's rewriting of "The little mermaid" is arguably the worst. What had been a tale about a young mermaid taking an impulsive risk and paying the price for it was remade so that the entire ocean was at risk, forcing everyone else to fix the mess she made.
"Strong Woman" stories are basically princess stories with cool and fun stuff for the heroine to do. They take one of these stories about a girl getting everything she wants because other people give it to her, and give the princess all the glory, and toss out most of the conflict and struggle, leaving a mere token of opposition.
And if that isn't enough for the writer, (and it usually isn't) They make a point of amplifying how much easier it is for the heroine and maliciously humiliate or vilify the prince, knight, or whatever male heroes were originally doing all the work, as if the writer themselves didn't make the job easier when having the princess do it.
More like saying Whitey invented slavery.
Remember that the Leftoids (feminists, race baiters, Commies, etc.) can ultimately be traced to either heretical Christianity (see Puritans) and Judaism or secular Jews applying Jewish mysticism (see the Frankfurt School). Go look up who spearheaded Prohibition.
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A showing of a feminist finding out how underwhelming feminist backed work is.
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That's because females really can't accomplish much and never really have the desire to. They are made for the family and anything teaching them anything else is leading them astray.
I think it is because those are written by women. the same think happens with OC Donut Steel when they are written by men.
To be fair, all you did was gloss over what he presented and reiterated your view as infallible proof when it's nothing more than a glossed up opinion in the same vein he is.
It's freakin ironic as well. As always these leftist cunts claim to be the "good guys" and all for free speech, but then they come here trying to silence fascist perspectives for being correct.
Leftism is born from low self-esteem, which is why they try to make themselves as the heroes in every case.
Just brilliant!
Enjoy those diseases you'll pick up when you travel overseas, user. Next time you step on a rusty nail you better enjoy that tetanus.
What did he present? Rambling about how any disgusting girls in media that aren't sandwich makers triggers him?
A strong woman done wrong is where their arrogance and selfishness are portrayed as independence and as positive qualities instead of quirks or hurdles.
That's why Korra is a shitty characters yet Buttercup is endearing
Hey bud, I think your first pic was edited.
A strong female character is basically a caricature of an alpha male, and exists to stroke the egos of women and feed the flames of the war on men. The more writers ask how they can make their characters "strong," the shittier the characters become.
In a certain country to the East, you can give your characters whatever the fuck traits you want, gender is a very malleable concept (but without any social justice implications), and men and women aren't at war with each other. It's pretty cool.
I never understood what's so hard about making a "strong woman" or "a well written woman".
Nigga, just make a dude and give it the body and call it a girl. Works every single time.
Tumblr intensifies
You can't, cronies like Anita dismiss it as a "man with tits".
You know your two "statements" contradict each other right?
Either the differences between genders are real and defined beyond biological ones, so you indeed can have a "man with tits", or you can be able to change a character's gender with no consequences, because there's no difference except biological ones.
Which is it then?
I'd say it's the first, if you want to make a good female character you have to first know what makes a woman a woman, beyond having a vagina and tits.
Gender is a pointless term that's only real use to for transgenders to rationlise why they were "born in the wrong body" instead of accept they have a mental disorder. People need to stop using the term and just say sex.
Yes user, that's what we're saying. Stop being retarded.
Eh, Japan doesn't have the level of fear for sex roles that actually stem from human biology that America does. Even for Japanese feminism the version you see in works like Sailor Moon is the one that not only says men and women are different yet complementary, but that there's no shame in having dazzling looks, fabulous clothes that show off your sipermodel legs, or a stud boyfriend.
This feminism celebrates femininity term for female roles instead of decrying it. And without framing men as the enemy or decrying masculinity, recognizing they are different from women without saying there is something "wrong" with being a man.
Fixes
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What's really Tumblr is quoting people out of context. This is what I actually said:
Japan is not America.
Kabuki threatre banned female performers hundreds of years ago, and all female roles were/mostly still are played by men. The Takarazuka Revue, established in the 1910s, is the other way around with women playing all parts. Yuri and BL manga have their roots in pre-war Japanese culture. Also, Osamu Tezuka (the "father of manga" who also pioneered anime) was greatly influenced by the Takarazuka Revue.
The gender-bending and homosexuality you see in manga and anime are nothing like their SJW counterparts in America and have nothing to do with them.
Irrelevant to the point.
How is it irrelevant? You were suggesting Tumblr is responsible for how gender is treated in anime.
Interestingly, Japan doesn't have a gay identity politics scene on the level of America's. While Japan has long had a notion of men having sex with men, it didn't really have a gay identity until after making contact with the West.
Gay identity is a modern thing.
Though gay sex goes back to ancient Greece, nobody was labeled by orientation.
You're either the giver or receiver.
Reminder that people like are why children die from avoidable illnesses like whopping cough.
It was a joke. Regardless, gender is a term that doesn't need to exist and its usage is only valuable to crazies. Just say sex.
That guy you just replied to isn't me.
you dense motherfucker
Ok, then why are you saying it's irrelevant?
I never said it was irrelevant.
Then what did you mean by this:
Stop fucking around and explain yourself.
Did you misread me. I outright said in that is not me.
This is the reply chain:
If you didn't post then what has your role in this exchange been?
I replied to because in it you said to him "You were suggesting Tumblr is responsible for how gender is treated in anime.", which was referring to this post which was made by me, not him.
Do you have some kind of point to make? Do you have anything to contribute except these stupid fucking games?
That you thought he was me and I was merely clearing up the confusion. You were the one who drew it out since you couldn't understand a simple explanation.
Go fuck yourself.
Katara was made in another time, with missing makers.
How do you not get how the country is irrelevant to the actions? Their attitude about it is also irrelevant to the point.
Whether it is for "social justice" or not "gender" being "malleable" is degenerate bullshit, and whether anime beats you over the head about pronouns or not isn't the POINT. "Gender" isn't malleable.
I guess the joke was so funny you had to double down on it with "whopping cough". I agree on the term gender though.
Everything is malleable in anime. It doesn't have to follow the rules of reality. Gender can be considered arbitrary. You can draw a girl and call it a boy or vice versa. You can make a female character absurdly strong for no reason. You can also characterize female characters in idealized ways and give them any combination of traits you want to. Rather than being "degenerate," female characters in anime represent ideals that real women (or men) are unlikely to reach, and they don't have to be restricted by what is realistic for women or considered normal for women (or people in general).
It's nothing like what's going on in America.
Wow, rude.
I meant to reply to for the "It was a joke" part. Which Is why I mentioned the gender thing after it.
Hence the fucked up message anime presents. You are proving my point. It being "a different culture" doesn't change the fact that it is putting out gender propaganda. It doesn't have to be the same flavor as the propaganda over here or be taken the same way (on the surface level) as propaganda over here.
It's not propaganda. There is no political agenda. The Japanese are also much better than Westerners at understanding that not everything in fiction is necessarily relevant to real life, and that maybe it's just fantasy.
Kabuki threatre has had men playing female roles for centuries. The Takarazuka Revue has had women playing male roles since the 1910s. Tezuka's 1949 manga Metropolis and Takahashi's 1987 manga Ranma 1/2 have characters who can change genders (Tezuka is considered the father of manga and Takahashi is one of the most popular authors ever). There haven't been any outbreaks of transgenderism and homosexuality in Japan, and they're still more conservative than America.
And what is the "fucked up message" that anime is presenting? That girls should be virtuous and strong, or feminine? Oh no, we're raising a generation of savages.
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The Japs arent that different from the West, in fact, the Japs are highly influenced by the West. The idea that they were better at understanding or more conservative are hilarious because the Japanese wouldn't even really have these ideas if it weren't for the West.
That being said, it's highly possible that a lot of anime do push a gender-equal agenda. Ignoring Moe-shit and ect, strong female characters usually fall into pro-feminist traps like in the West.
Yes, Japan was clearly just an empty vessel until Perry arrived. And what does this even have to do with anything?
They aren't pushing any agenda.
Moe does not mean weak characters, and what pro-feminist traps is anyone falling into?
The fact that Japan had always been highly influenced, in recent years, by the West to point of acting like a European Imperial power in Asia.
Japan, as it is now, has become greatly western-fueled.
I'm sure the Yakuza has a thing or two to say about that.
I didn't say it did but I'm saying is that female characters tend to go into similar patterns of female archetypes in anime, such as just flat out having female characters trying to be as good as men and it doesn't help that western-style feminism is trying to break into anime.
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I wish /a/ would leave.
And how is this relevant?
What does the Yakuza have to do with this?
They usually just are as good (in whatever it is that they're doing in the show), and it's usually not remarked upon.
Nobody in Japan reads that wiki and most people aren't even fluent enough in English to do so. Japanese women also aren't receptive to feminism.
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American feminists bitching about anime is perfectly useless in and of itself.
Implying I said that. I'm just saying they aren't an attack vector through which feminists can exert influence on anime.
I have never, not once, heard a single word about there being any Yakuza involvement in the anime industry.
Yes, that's what I posted.
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Why?
1) Take male characters
2) Remove accountability from male characters
3) Give accountability to female character
4) Keep female irrationality of the character
5) Don't ever show the viewer an example of why being irrational is bad
6) Have the world roll out the red carpet and land royal flushes for her the entire time
There now you have a "strong woman" character.
Ha haa what a story.
one with a big cock.
Because you're the same weeaboo, anime faggot from /a/ who comes on here, derails threads into anime shit and glorifies that fucking industry and Japan in general and becomes incredibly fucking obnoxious and autistic over your fucking Japanese cartoons while going into a defensive stance on your signature spice.
That's called normalization, retard.
I'm sure they talk publically about it all the time. :^)
I really wouldn't call Sailor Moon feminism. It's basically a manga written by a woman for women and girls.
Naoko Takeuchi knew exactly what she was doing when she made this manga, and basically wrote from the perspective of pre-teen and teenage girls. She knows that girls of that age worry about everyday things like social lives, schoolwork, and boys, and she caters accordingly.
In the anime adaptation of Sailor Moon, every episode makes a note of Usagi explaining herself, and she expresses her age, likes, and personality first, and that a magical cat from the moon gave her powers to be a super hero last.
Other than that, I wholeheartedly agree with you.
Isn't the creator a feminist?
Pretty much.
Hell, "weak woman" characters are more interesting.
They know their limits, and have to use what they can to get out of trouble or complete objectives.
I'm sick of flawless characters. Give me idiots. Give me people addicted to something.
But then we run into the problems this guy pointed out:
Fuck, if ever I did writing- all I want to make now is tomboys or future housewife material.
And of course, make them attractive to provoke reactions like the pics here:
I still firmly believe that with this onset of SJW bullshit, more women than we know are trying to reject it, and try not to be bitter about other women and improve themselves. SJW just get more spotlight and are given the illusion of the majority. It might be a 50/50 split, but SJW are not the majority.
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I'm not a weeaboo and I rarely post on or even visit /a/.
There is no agenda being pushed. Japan is not America. There isn't even anything wrong with the content in anime anyway.
Then how do you know for a fact that the Yakuza controls the anime industry?
Wasn't the Korra / Asami kiss just a fan-made bit of animation?
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Where have I acted like one and how?
Literally the entire fucking thread.
So you can't point to a single thing I've said that makes me a weeaboo.
How about you keep on going full on autist defending anime and Japan and constantly brought it up as "LOL Japan's female characters are completely better than Western female characters because they do shit appropriate to their culture!"
And how you constantly shill for Japan and anime and I guarentee it isn't the first time you derailed a thread into discussing "Muh glorious Nippon".
Ironically, you're a reverse weeaboo who takes immense nationalistic pride in anything Western and insists it's the best even when Japan objectively does it better.
You also don't know what weeaboo means, and the actual derailment here was people accusing Japan of being SJW which makes no sense and isn't something I ever said or implied.
That's not ironic, Japan doesn't do it effectively better, you literally just gave an example of you being a weeaboo for literally saying "Japan > West" which is literally what any Weeab would say, you constantly went around the thread shilling for anime, and didn't even once try to prove anyone wrong when they called you an Otaku cunt.
The irony is Japan is a far more nationalistic country then Western nations. And you're implying there's anything bad in that.
But Japan is doing something better. Would I also be a weeaboo if I said Japan is a bigger economy than Sweden?
Really? Where?
What are you talking about?
I'm implying you're a reverse weeaboo. I never implied that nationalistic insanity is a good thing.
A nigger with a job at McDonalds earns more money than Sweden and it's not even a good example of a big economy western nation. The Japs only have a bigger economy through trade.
Literally every other response is you shilling for how much better Japan and anime are to the West.
How everyone else accused you of being an Otaku faggot and for derailing several threads on here in the name of Nippon.
That doesn't make sense.
Why are you even trying to argue against what I said, with this nonsense? Japan is a bigger economy than Sweden, period. There's nothing to debate there. You really are a reverse weeaboo.
I didn't "go around the thread," I haven't done any "shilling," and there's nothing wrong with saying A is better than B if indeed A is better than B.
Again, what are you talking about? Aside from you, a grand total of one person said I was an otaku, and the first and so far only person to bring up derailing was you.
How does it not make sense?
How am I being a cunt?
How the hell does Sweden even matter? Why pick a western country that doesn't even have a big sway in Western culture like Sweden.
And what does it even matter if Sweden's economy is small, you know which western economy dwarf Japan? The United States and even China is bigger is Japan and Japan is set to meet it's own economic recession pretty soon.
It's nonsense because you picked literally an easy target.
But then again you're a complete fucking faggot who keeps going on here glorfying anime and Japan which is a trait of a weeaboo btw, to make Japan and anime look better than it seems, maybe not complete weeaboo-ness like the other user thinks but is a trait to say Japan is better than all of the West which is stupid that an island the size of California would be better than the West.
It doesn't make sense because you said "nationalistic insanity" (it's not insane to be nationalistic) is a bad thing, he said it wasn't bad, and then you went to say that it's insane and completely missed his point.
I didn't say it matters.
Why is it important how much sway it has in Western culture?
I didn't say it does. I only said Japan's economy is larger.
Not relevant.
I did no such thing.
Saying that Japan is better at something than the West does not make anyone a weeaboo.
I didn't say it's insane to be nationalistic, I said nationalistic insanity is bad.
Yes there is.
No, they were only conquered by America and completely built up from a new foundation laid by America. Though I'm not trying to give credence to your idiotic assertion that "not being America" somehow means the entertainment it spews isn't pushing an agenda by pointing out Japan's OBVIOUS fucking connections to America. That Japan and America are connected is irrelevant to their ability to push an agenda.
You seem to be under the assumption that propaganda is exclusive to America or that propaganda of this nature is.
And now you went full weeaboo.
I don't know and never claimed that it did. I didn't make the original claim, I just made fun of the logic that not HEARING about it somehow disqualifies it from being true.
I don't personally believe it is the Yakuza that controls the majority of Japanese media, I believe it is the kikes who had their connections to said media established when their pawn government btfo of the country in 1946
It's not an agenda that's being pushed just because you don't like it.
Which doesn't mean anything. As evidenced by how incomprehensible, strange, offensive, stupid and alien anime appears to most Westerners.
How did I go full weeaboo?
And making the claim qualifies it as true? I've read a lot about anime and I've never heard a single word about there being any Yakuza involvement. If someone is claiming the Yakuza is involved then they should present evidence.
Based on what?
Why didn't you faggots catch the bait immediately when he laid it?
How was I trolling? What "bait" was I laying? Do you think anything on the Internet that triggers you is trolling?
Explain to me this, how is the United States, the leader of Western civilization and the biggest economy in the world "irrelevant" while Sweden, a small GDP, mostly obscure, European country is?
It's irrelevant because it has nothing to do with my statement that Japan is a bigger economy than Sweden. It is bigger, no ifs and no buts. America has nothing to do with it.
Why are you talking so much about this?
Because Sweden is irrelevant and poor choice for comparing a western economy to Japan because you're using it to paint Japanese superiority to the West but then pick Sweden because?
I wasn't comparing Japan's economy against the West or claiming that Japan is economically superior to the West. Where are you getting this from?
But Japan is doing something better. Would I also be a weeaboo if I said Japan is a bigger economy than Sweden?
Why am I even bothering, you're just going to resort to defensive questions no matter what.
Where in that post did I say Japan's economy is bigger than the West's? I only said it's bigger than Sweden's.
Then why bring up Sweden? What does Sweden have to do with anything?
It was just an example:
I find it amusing how long you've been pestering me about this.
Only 4 responses from me in the vein to understand why compare Japan to Sweden, it's amusing to see you keep coming on here.
Why would there be anything amusing about me replying to posts directed at me?
Because you're a faggot
Why?
The show was required to shill Korra regardless of how blundering or underwhelming she acts. And demonize or otherwise discredit her critics.
Because we saw you sucking a nice big Jap cock the other day
It is when it is clearly an agenda.
You've missed the point. Japan has people too. The messages are aimed at them. Any weebs like yourself getting the messages are incidental.
Never said that it did.
I already addressed how this wasn't my claim, and how what you've heard is irrelevant. Keep pretending to be retarded though, it isn't obvious or anything.
Do your own research. Oh, that's right, you won't. You're too busy jacking it to futa.
So, of recent comics and cartoons which of them actually did well at handling women?
How is it clearly an agenda?
Then present evidence.
How am I pretending to be retarded?
Standard cop-out response. In truth you have no explanation.
Cause and effect. If you had a brain I would expect you to understand that. However, it is obvious that you do not.
1: I didn't claim the Yakuza were involved.
2: I don't have to prove they are involved for them to actually be involved.
3: You can't say they absolutely are not involved without evidence just like nobody can say they are involved without evidence.
4: I don't give a shit either way because I didn't bring up the Yakuza to begin with and this is the last time I am addressing it. Take your autism elsewhere.
I was wrong. You aren't pretending.
Pot meet kettle. This right here is a standard cop-out response. Instead of doing any research, or dropping the issue, or just saying "well then I don't believe you" you cry about my refusal to do the work for you and pretend this is a good excuse for your ignorance on the matter.
I don't know if i would call her a feminist per se. Feminism in Japan doesn't even remotely resemble western feminism; It's genuinely just equal opportunity. It's not at all uncommon to see women in places of power in business because seniority and proven ability are far more important than gender.
Naoko Takeuchi married Yoshihiro Togashi, who created Yu Yu Hakusho and Hunter X Hunter (which explains why Hunter X Hunter keeps going on hiatus. You know he's tappin' dat)
Sailor Moon was always a bit weird thematically. It portrayed everything that girls love as potentially dangerous.
I guess that can be viewed as similar to western feminism in that western feminism has decided that everything girls love is bad for them
So you can't explain how there's an agenda involved.
Then what are you arguing about?
If someone claims they're involved they should present evidence. I have no reason to believe they're involved just because someone says they are.
How am I being autistic? You're the one who started talking about this to me.
Then how am I being retarded?
I don't have to do any research. If you make a claim you must substantiate it.
It's not the same user you were arguing with earlier, you moron.
No he wasn't, this guys was
You either really are autistic for not distinguishing the difference between anons in their responses and mannerisms alone or you're an asshole who decided to pin it on someone else to bug them about it.
You started talking about it in one or both of these posts:
Which is what I was obviously referring to.
Neither are those are me, dumbass and those two posters were clearly different anons, but you missed the point that it's not the guy you're currently arguing with and you're bugging him with it for no reason.
Then what is your role in this exchange? What are you doing here? What are you trying to argue?
I have the best grammar ever.
To point out it was different people who brought up the Yakuza and not the guy you were arguing with and to call you out on being an asshole for pinning it on the guy you keeps telling you he wasn't the one who said it.
I'm not going to be drawn into this because you're acting like a prick and an autist for constantly bringing this shit up and not ignoring it and letting it die.
But you're going to be a faggot anyways and start pulling whatever I said from this post with a question.
*who keeps telling you
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What are you talking about?
Those are good questions and I expect you have no answers.
For not saying "fuck it" and leaving this thread because no one is going to change their mind and their stance on Japan and anime and you keep arguing about it with people who are tired of you and insulting you at this point.
Question A:
For bugging a guy who told you he wasn't the one who brought the Yakuza yet asked "then what are you arguing about then?" when he just said he wasn't the one who brought it up and then kept pressing on answers for questions he already he didn't care about answering.
Question B:
A common trait of autism is obsession over a certain topic, your obsession with defending Japanese culture and your denial of "Japanese anime don't have propaganda because it's a different culture" is flawed. People have agendas, the Japanese do too because they have their own cultural roots and beliefs that they'd want to spread to others. Hell, they've even have had their own GamerGate of sorts when exposing corruption in Japanese gaming news sites.
Those answers, to you, most definitely will not be right in your eyes because you're the defenders but those are, indeed, answers I have given for why you're being called a prick and an autist.
Why aren't you telling everyone else to leave, especially when you characterize them as being tired of arguing about it? Why are you arguing with me right now if you're so triggered by people arguing?
It doesn't matter that he wasn't the one who originally brought it up.
But being obsessed with attacking it is somehow different. If you don't want me to defend it then don't attack it.
What is the agenda and how does it manifest itself?
What does that have to do with anything?
Because everyone else was trying to argue about "strong women", it got derailed into an autistic bunch of rants between you and others.
Then why did you keep pestering him with it? As I recall, he said he wasn't the one who said it and you kept pestering him about it. If anything, he probably joked about it, like how Holla Forums talks about Jews, but he never seriously argued that the Yakuza were behind the anime industry.
It's not an obsession to attack something, it's an obsession to defend and white knight for it constantly and then brag about how it, and its culture, are better than the West then bring up "facts" which make no sense in the long run.
The fact you spent days trying to defend the fucking industry from people who are probably just baiting you at this point goes to show.
An agenda can take many forms. How about the new anime GATE, being criticized for pushing an Imperialistic Nationalist Japan agenda (frogkun.com
Maybe not feminism in anime, I never said that but an agenda in anime seems to be an increase favor of nationalism and anti-Western ideas.
I knew you were going to say that, it's an example that the Japs have to fight against monetary agendas as well in their own industries.
So some people started autistic arguments. How is that my fault?
Because he kept talking about it.
It's Ok When We Do it™.
If Japan is better than the West in some way, what is the problem with saying so?
What things have I said that make no sense in the long run?
But your side "baiting" for days is a non-issue, because It's Ok When We Do it™.
We were talking about the anime industry as a whole pushing a specific agenda.
Because of three anime in almost three decades?
The criticism against Gate is overblown anyway.
And what does that have to do with anything? We aren't talking about game reviewers.
Not even bothering replying to you anymore.
Couldn't answer the question, huh?
Because you're the one who exasperated them.
No he didn't, you did.
Because it's not better, you picked easy fucking targets for why Japan is better which is why we think you're a Weeaboo because only a massive Weeb would try advocating for Japanese superiority over the West. True or Not, call it Nationalism all you want, it's not the like Japs aren't any better.
It's much better to go on the offensive to criticize a another culture but going on the defensive implies being so enamored with the culture that you had to go full blown cunt and defend it like you did.
By constantly claiming there's no agenda in a country because cultural differences.
It's more than just three anime, I've seen several animes and mangas advocate for Nationalism and/or Anti-Western ideas. Otokojuku, Ghost in the Shell, Silent Service, Mad Bull 34, The Cockpit? Those don't count?
I never said there was a specific agenda but there is one. Not in every anime, mind you, but in quite a hand full.
It's an example that the Japs do have to go through the same sneaky practices in America in their Otaku culture since video games tend to be wrapped along with anime and manga.
I'm going to take his route because your head is so far up your own ass you can't see that you ruined an entire thread with your Japanese cock fondling.
Oh, no, it was just too much for me. It isn't that you are retarded or anything. Nope, I just couldn't answer a question that is answered by the obvious context of the discussion.
What
I'm not much of a writer, but I've been sitting on a potential story with a female lead. I don't want to fall into the first trap of just making the character super duper competent because that's boring as fuck no matter what sex the character is unless it's part of a joke or something. And the other trap I want to avoid is just making a male character and turn him into a chick.
Basically, I want to write a very interesting individual because let's face it, no one on this Earth is 100% on top of shit 100% of the time and everyone has varying degrees of feminine and masculine traits.
Girl power characters in particular really piss me off because they can be really shallow, uninteresting characters but because are doing things men do and are written to be better at it than all the men regardless of the myriad of factors against her, they are considered great characters.
I just want Feminism and MRA shit out of my fiction.
Pic related would be a "le strong woman" type. Most people apparently can't write powerful women without making them: dumb, autistic, butch, ugly, ill-tempered. Hey kinda like Wonder Woman.
How?
He kept talking about it.
But it is.
Only a massive reverse weeaboo would claim the West is superior to Japan in all things.
You can try to spin this any way you like but it won't change the fact that you're just a hypocrite.
I said anime has no agenda, and it doesn't.
Or maybe you're such a reverse weeaboo that you think Japan isn't allowed to have any nationalism and any display of nationalism must be evidence of an evil agenda to reinstate the Empire. And anything even slightly critical of or unflattering towards the West is "anti-Western."
Still irrelevant.
But I didn't. Maybe it's time to look in the mirror.
I.e. you couldn't answer the question.
Somebody ban this autistic pseudo-intellectual weeaboo. If nobody bans them then these entitled wannabe-trolls will never learn.
Why should I be banned and what makes me autistic, pseudo-intellectual, a weeaboo or a troll?
A flawed character that isn't written like a special snowflake.
It's not that hard.
I think the problem with the stereotypical "strong female character" is that very few writers ever present them having to deal with negative consequences of their actions or having them reflect on those negative consequences as a means to seek improvement or self-redemption.
Azula provides a perfect exception to the rule: she is without a doubt the kind of woman that knows her phyisical power as well as the magnitude of her influence and isn't afraid to flaunt it. However, it's also that hubris that leads to her downfall when she inevitably realizes that despite all her power she still needs other people she can terrorize and subjugate in order to feel it.
And then, on the flip side, we have Korra, whose "strong female character" status is played simply; she never has to stop to think about any downsides of her actions or actively make amends. The entire series is basically her toppling several militant sociopolitical uprisings and never having to worry about the negative impacts that it would have on her or anyone else. Instead, she's basically rewarded for whatever she does and walks away with just about everyone forgiving her or getting something back she lost along the way without being given much time to show what she's learned about herself from the loss. The reason why we all call her a Mary Sue is that, ultimately, she ends every call to adventure with a shallow reassurance of who she is as opposed to a deeper understanding of herself.
Apparently Disney princesses are the most important
Well they are royalty…
We need to return to the days where women were portrayed as women instead of as pseudo-men. "Strong" female characters do nothing but teach confusion. Female characters should be restricted to things females can actually accomplish and should accomplish. That is unless the female character in question is a villain and is portrayed negatively.
I don't even want to discuss this shit anymore. It's nothing but an endless headache and discussing it only feeds the egos of these sjw/neoliberal/feminazi/whatever bitches. Wake me up when this shit goes away or we're back in the Berensteinverse.
I'm with you on that, user. This is a fucking shitshow of a thread if there ever was one.
How about no.
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fuck you
Source, my man?
It's nothing more than a fucking marketing term designed to get people to buy their shit nothing more, nothing less. It's absolutely fucking useless when it comes to writing–any creator worth their salt would do their best to disregard it and not get caught up in the pointless politics of it.
Bump. Haven't finished reading this thread.
Fuck off, OP, if you're not done reading it than archive you stupid nigger.
I'm not OP you colossal retard.
Sure, OP.
How about no.
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Why knock out house wives? They too are great influential people. My mother was a housewife and just was impeccable about everything raising 6 kids and each one of us are just inspired by her dedication to making a great home.
2 sons and 4 girls she raised and each one of us has achieved the basic white picket fence dream. Hell even one of my brothers ended up as a house husband type of guy and I his older sister ended up being the breadwinner in my own family with my own house husband etc.
Granted my mother was a house wife but damn she gave us the confidence to go our own ways pursuing the happiness we wanted.
Being a home maker isn't easy by any means and it does take someone with a real gumption to pursue excellence in that with very self aware way to create a nurturing environment. At least how my mother went about it. Its just there are so many lazy asses so the art of being a great host is lost.
Kasumi Tendo says hi.
God, Amethyst was so cool.
She was a young girl who was basically forced into literally growing up and losing everything. But she was still enough to get the job done no matter if she was shot at, stabbed, cursed, or thrown in the void between dimensions. She cried, but she had to pick herself up after.
The emotional core is probably the obvious one. When you're thrown into shit and broken it's important to see how you do at your very lowest.
Korra, at her lowest, abandoned her job and her friends. She's the kind of character who loves to talk shit when on top but falters the moment she gets thrown for a loop.
Bullshit
Nice double dubs. The fact that Holla Forumsacks deny the Holocaust happened despite all the actual footage shoews that they're a special kind of retarded.
You should do the greatest job Uncle Adolf finished: Killing himself.
There's also a lot of female characters poorly made to appeal to male players, specially in action games.
Ah yes, all that footage was faked, good Ubermensch. Deh Fuhrer would never do anything wrong!
2nd pic is for you.
How the hell does >>620993 and have anything to do with this retarded debate?
Retard, I wasn't involved in this conversation but even I understood what he meant. He brought up Sweden's economy being smaller than Japan's as an example of how saying this as a fact doesn't make one a weeaboo. Learn to read.
could you stop shitting up Holla Forums with your cancer, jewpig.
video related, it's you
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it's almost sad that your entire life consists of wanking on the internet and hating white people
Nice non-sequitur there bud.
Here's your reply.
No, retard. I'm not OP; I'm the guy making fun of all the tippers at the start of the thread. I bumped the thread because I need to read the rest to see if I had anymore replies. I've done that now and there is two replies I've missed due to being recent, so I'll reply to them now.
I wasn't. I was mocking the notion that the typical tipper only likes women if they don't do anything beyond maintaining his house.
Nothing more influential than housework. I've done it. It's tedious, especially when my younger siblings just make more unnecessary mess. Why would anyone want to aspire to be nothing more?
Cool, random animu character.
Kek.
But seriously caring about this shit is what makes tumblr tier trash and validates the moronic opinions of politically motivated keyboard warriors.
Ask yourself what's a female character you liked that wasn't for eye candy or at least not just for eye candy but Christ why is there some need to put some fucking fake woman on a damned pedestal.
People called me sexist for not liking the Major in the GitS because she seemed sort of boring. These are the type of sophists you empower with this thinking.
This thread has gone to shit tho cuz /a/ started shitposting
There aren't that many East Asians in the United States.
I think the problem is that "Strong" in the context of character has almost no meaning. What is a "strong" character? Is it one who is physically strong? Is it one who is emotionally strong? Is it someone who takes action when it is necessary?
The problem is that "strong" means multiple things, and none of them are synonymous with "good."
You can have a physically strong woman. Say, Korra. But is Korra a good character? I would argue that no, she isn't. Too much of the plot contrives itself to vindicate her, she herself is not a well developed and interesting character.
You can have an emotionally strong woman. Let's be topical here and say Lin Beifong. She's stoic, in control of her emotions, makes good decisions. Is she a good character? I'd say yes, but that's more because the plot doesn't betray her narrative constantly, it isn't really because she's a strong woman, it's because her arc made sense.
And you can have a woman with initiative who acts to protect the people she loves/defeat her enemies/achieve whatever. This is virtually any female protagonist. How many good female protagonists can you think of? There are a few, but it isn't all of them, so this is obviously not synonymous with quality either.
Becoming bogged down in what "strength" is and how strong female characters should be ultimately misses the point of character writing. Interesting characters, good characters, characters who are remembered for their quality and who influence peoples' work, are not made so by how "strong" they are, they are elevated by the quality of their writing, the attention to narrative detail, and the consistency of their characterization.
It is a sorry state of affairs when the only question anyone is interested in asking about a woman is whether she is "strong" or not. I did not read the Brothers Karamazov because I wanted to read about strong independent Russians who don't need no Tzar, nobody watched Les Mis because they wanted to watch a thief flaunt authority. Good characters are about good characterization, not about buzzwords and labels.
Really if you want to point to any one thing that has hurt the depiction of women in media, it is this obsession with "strength." It's almost Freudian, as though people subconsciously believe women to be inferior and so scrape to compensate for this in fiction at the cost of quality and narrative integrity. It reminds me of the 1980s when they stuck obnoxious token black characters into everything, unwittingly creating horrible stereotypes that persist to this day. It would have been better to do nothing. It is better to be underrepresented than misrepresented.
It doesn't say East Asians. It just says Asians.
I'm screencapping this.
If you don't mind quoting a racist neo-nazi leopard seal.
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No Holla Forums, you are the cancer.
We are a Nationalist Socialist think thank at the vanguard of creating a new world. Everyone depends on us being at the front line in this huge battle. You are the one responsible for every evil thing and you need to be cleansed. We are the only board worth visiting in this place. I only come here to recruit people like you.
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… You realize the accomplishments of your race do not equate to your own capabilities right? I mean, on the list of Holla Forums's handicaps, you're one of the only boards that doesn't realize pic related.
And that's such a massive handicap that I can't believe the NAZIs wouldn't sterilize the lot of you.
ON the internet the only person who wins the argument is the one who doesn't care. That's why only retards and autists try. In the best case scenario you autism at someone about something they didn't care about in the first place until they get bored and go trigger other faggots. Worst case scenario he doesn't get bored and you waste half a day arguing while he copy pastes Wikipedia's 'criticisms' section (just be glad I'm kind enough to remove the hyper links).
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Quality rebuttal there, m8. I rate 9/11. :^)
The way some people talk, it feels like I'm the only person around here that has interacted with perfectly respectable women. Do you guys all live in liberal colleges and trailer parks?
Get back where you belong
>>>Holla Forums
They're neckbeards. The only women they've interacted with besides their mothers are girls who wouldn't go to the prom with them in High School and SJWs online.
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