Nationalization

It depends what it is. Energy, banking, transport, maybe even mail services should be nationalised.

Many other things should be private, but I don't want to see them belong to foreign investors. I don't want foreigners to do anything more than rent property.

So things that are publicly used should be nationalized? What are your views when it comes to schools, hospitals, and universities?

We something is nationalized how do we prevent it from becoming like the DMV?

Strategically important natural resources and the central bank. Just about everything else should be private. Except in times of war where the economy needs to be mobilized.

would it help if they were run by local government instead of federal government?

I said I dont allow them by nationalising the three things a nation needs to be intact and unsubverted.

The innovaters that get hired by em are private.

my belief is that companies should be able to do whatever they want. so long as they do not destroy/undermine the countries culture, the people, or nature (ex: dropping sewage into rivers/lakes). I'm sure my belief will be refined the older i get but for now i think that sounds reasonable.

I think things like heavy industry should be private but regulated. It'd be nice to see smaller things be largely free, namely little local businesses.

Schooling and hospitals should be state-controlled to an extent, but allow a degree of private leeway. In this area the government should be working for the benefit of the people, but unlike the current situation, the gibsmedats should belong only to the children of the nation in times of significant need, such as ambulance care or basic schooling.

The biggest problem of private healthcare is the potential for monopolies. Like that one guy who purposely inflated the cost of a certain medicine to an absurdly high price, when it used to be quite affordable. Liberals don't like private healthcare, but if shit like that was reeled in, they probably would.

this + all companies should be owned and governed by natural-born citizens.

"Nationalization" is nothing of the sort. It's communist word play for the State to seize private property and control industry.

It's not "communist wordplay" it literally just means the state owns the industry/service. This is part of some Nationalist political ideologies.

Natural monopolies like the electricity grid should be nationalised.

Communism has shown that full nationalization and central planning doesn't work. (((American))) capitalism has shown that full privatization only works to some extend.

So keep the shit that is important to the well-being out of the capitalists hands and let them have the rest.

*the well-being of the nation, like water, public transportation, road maintenance…

If they are owned by foreigners it should be nationalized if not it should only be nationalized if it bankrupts or if the owner is suspected of criminal doing until he is proven innocent.

It worked really well for the national socialists, what was the (((difference)))?

If it is necessary for national security or if the industry is run by ((internationalists)).
This should definitely be a rare thing though, the free market does generally produce good results (when internationalists aren't involved).

The whole point for the kike bailouts is they use the excuse that they'll have to lay off a ton of people. Not sure what to think about that besides it being true, but I doubt the money is going towards paying their employees.

Hitler did not put Feder as Economic Minister instead he put a German Banker Hjalmar Schacht,we never got to see the original vision of national socialism in the the third reich. what other national socialism nation did it and how it worked really well?

If a business or resource is held by a foreigner it should be nationalized immediately and privatized into the people's hands.

What

Sold to citizens of the nation. You know what privatized means, right?

Well, you can do what the Saudis are trying to do and what Venezuela should have done.

It's a softer form of nationalization that retains the free market. The problem arises when native workers and executives aren't skilled or experienced enough.

You… kinda can't. That's the problem with government institutions, they ALWAYS decay.

DMV is state government. Local government is still pretty bad in general, they'd be just as bad as the federal government if they had more money and power.

"Private" healthcare in the US isn't truly private. It's protected to an astonishing degree. Insurance companies, hospitals, pharma, etc. are all protected by big government and regulations.

That's the thing. If you remove the interstate sale of health insurance and require the posting of prices- expect shit to change VERY quickly. That's exactly Trump's suggestion so Healthcare might become great again.

As to the price gouging on the drug, he wasn't doing that to make money OFF OF THE DRUG. He bought rights to ONE FORMUATION of the compound, not the compound itself. It wasn't worth that much, so he inflated price so he could inflate profit projections for his boutique pharma company which he intended to present to investors. The plan was to inflate the price, inflate the company's worth, then sell the company- happens all the time in boutique pharma.

If he kept the price of that drug so high for so long, eventually compounding pharmacies would just import the API and start cranking out other dosage forms for cheap. Nobody realized that amid the moral panic though.

As to other drugs, actually patented ones, there's a few answers to mitigate costs:
Or!

That or private insurers could offer patented medications as a feature of plans. Certain plans would have enrollees as patient class shareholders with cheaper access to patented medications.

TL;DR there are WAY better models that will emerge once the current regime of government protections is swept away.

Right okay. Just "people's hands" sounded a lot like "collective control"

Not disagreeing necessarily, but can you explain why you assert this?

Depends on what it is.

The problem is always in bureaucrats and graft/waste. But I think with computers it would be easy to optimize certain industries for efficiency without having a gigantic bureaucracy. Healthcare could probably be done this way with some work, and the bureaucrats could be kept out of the picture.

Are you a libertarian or something? Libertarians always have an adverse reaction to policies which benefit the native population.

No one is going to argue against this?

Only nationalization of currency and banking, a nations money power absolutely cannot be in private hands. Other than that, nationalization of industries is monopolization by another name and inevitable creates graft, inefficiency, waste, etc. and natural monopoly is a myth. Domestic laissez faire and tariffs for international trade are the way to go.

No, I support corporate nationalism, which means "private enterprises with autarky"

However I do support the elimination of banks and the establishment of a nationally controlled cryptocurrency.

A 100 thousand dollar fine for hiring any noncitizen or illegal in any industry is a better solution.

Supply and demand are very dynamic and bureaucrats offering incentives and such will likely not do so in any intelligent manner, if higher education shares in the risk when financing a student (no more loans or financial aid for art school and mickey mouse bullshit), instead of being able to usuriously extend 5-6 figures of debt and get it back no matter what. We need to return to private financing institutions for students, so you will get laughed out the door if you want 6 figures to go to art school, or if you have shitty grades from high school yet you want to get a PhD in physics, etc.

So, "American Way" economics then? Like the economic school we had before we got kiked over? Sounds great tbh lad

With the reserved right of the government to intervene and shut down businesses if their products/practices harm the moral and cultural resolve of the nation.

TBH the only "nationalization" I am for is the government awarding a corporation with the privilege to be tax-exempt for pursuing certain projects.

Trade and Econ shit I support
-Control over where fuel gets sold
-Control over what foreign goods come in
-High regulation of personal and home loans
-No crony capitalism when it comes to Student or Business loans
-I'm neutral on Unions, I recall a piece of legislation enacted in the late 50s that made Unions godawful but I don't know the context or title, leaning against them because of how many legit communists are involved in them.
-No income tax high tariffs

Are you a faggot?

Faggots always want larger government to fix their problems instead of themselves.

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Crony capitalism is needed sometimes.

High regulation on home and personal loans wounds the jew
Banks making sure that their student loan is a good investment strengthens our youth and murders the leftist Jew control of our education system.

Only Jewish owned corps should be nationalized

Can't argue with those quints

It never does.

Fascism is a far better economic system in practice and in theory.

Sovereignty is about leverage. The more leverage someone else has on you, the less sovereign you are. Strategically important stuff like banking and energy should be nationalized. The country should also work towards self sufficiency so that if you do something the "global community" doesn't like, their sanctions wont cripple your society.

De-regulate production.
Highly regulate finance.

white nationalist here
great thread OP
yes, many but not all industries should be nationalized so as to get the same services for the population, without profit-gauging of consumers that happens in laissez-faire

only a Sith deals in absolutes

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Some examples are:
- health care services
- electric utility
- natural gas utility
- water utility

Nice dubs champ

People who write thought out posts should include some pictures to gain attention.

Nigger, it is word play. Nations are not States.

You sure are a dumb nigger

That's just an early example of decline, user.

Yes. Especially utilities. They shouldn't be allowed to be owned by foreign companies at the very least.

Absolutely.

The market is never well-intentioned and only rarely efficient.

Communism is not Nationalization.

You can interpret whatever you want out of that photo. WJB was a Democrat, and the Democrats were the racists at that time, so fuck off.

*vice versa: Nationalization is not Communism

Does a dog shit in the woods?

I don't remember inferring either of those things. How the fuck did you arrive at that conclusion? I was referring to the blatant multiracial cuckery in your second image accompanied with the "equal rights for all" slogan.

because that was the original conversation that you stepped into, you stupid faggot.

And, there is no multiracial cuckery in that photo. You must be misinterpreting it. Those are foreign flags. Notice how they are bending their knee and cheering for lady liberty who is draped in a US flag. It probably saying that US (lady liberty) is a shining beacon on a hill that all the shitskins should imitate. This is Biblical imagery. There was no - absolutely no - reason for WJB to be trying to get shitskin votes or anything like that, and his Southern Democratic Base wouldn't have dealt with it - there wasn't even a significant number of shitskins in the US. If I'm not mistaken, that's a Puerto Rican flag in the middle, so that probably represents US protectorates - NOT VOTERS OR IMMIGRANTS.

What's most curious about your comment is how you miss the central imagery to the whole poster. This is probably due to your lack of an education on the history of America.

A) At the top it says "No Crown of Thorns – No Cross of Gold"
translation: the kikes are christkillers and their raping us with the gold standard

b) notice at the bottom the octopus strangling industries and shredding the american flag and being attacked by a white woman with a hatchet
kike bankers (octopus) are strangling industry, taking over everything and ruining our country; we must kill them or she won't survive

Try actually reading a book for once, nigger. This is Memorial Day and you don't even know your own fucking history. pathetic

Within my lifetime I have seen in my country most things become privatized. Even local councils privatize much of their function.

The result has universally been a rise in price and a drop in service. Furthermore when the private entity fails it is always bailed out with public money as it fulfills an essential service.

Don’t even get me started on the fact that a lot of privatized industries go straight to foreign bidders.

It doesn’t work, its counter productive. At least in my country.

S. America?

Britistan.

I'm not American

The United Kaliphate? lol. Holy shit. Thatcher and Blair really fucked you all over, eh?

I'm sorry that you're inferior, that is :^)

Well, now you understand.

The very same.

Thatcher got the ball rolling and it has been down hill ever since.

This particular goverment we have now has actually been even more ruthless with what they have sold off but people are so used to it by now they have for the most part got away with it without the slightest complaint.

For example they sold off our postal service the Royal Mail.

Their advisors told them they had undervalued it and went public with the fact they had advised such. The Government sold shares at the price they had been undervalued at anyway.

3 Months later once the share price had stabilized they came out and admitted that they had undersold. No apology and no investigation. It barely made the morning news and was forgotten about by lunchtime.

They don’t even bother going for full value when selling off the family silver (because they are selling it to their mates).

IIRC there were Conservative backbenchers who also criticized this privitization?

Conservative backbenchers object to a lot of what this goverment does because they are actual conservatives unlike the parties leadership who are a whole different creature.

But yes, they did object to RoyalMail being sold off and were ignored as usual.

Holy shit. That is seriously L. America style corruption. I can't imagine the US selling off the USPS. haha. holy shit. I thought we were bad!

Yes, people don’t comprehend the level of corruption in Britain because the country is wealthy and therefore still functions.

I think Britain is probably the most corrupt country in the world. No our police wont expect a bribe from you if that pull you over for speeding and no you don’t need to pay off the council to get approval for extending your home but…. Anything beyond the straight civilian level is totally and utterly corrupted.

Take my local council and the topic at hand for example. My local council has privatized much of its function. The public and opposing political parties (I live in a Conservative strong seat) have repeatedly asked for an independent audit to verify if as the council claim things really are better off under privatization or if things ran at better value when the council employed it’s own staff.

Twice under pressure the council have agreed and employed a private auditor to go through the books and twice they have sacked that auditor within a week of completion of the audit and destroyed the audit results.

This is typical of Britain, totally expected and reluctantly accepted.

meant for

You don't have a UK version of FOIA? Just get together, force them to give you the documents, and hire your own auditor!

The same way you fight entrenchment in any field. Fire people who suck. The current crop are given their positions through political back scratching. In ohio we've recently privatized water, gas and electricity and the fees have only gone up and the service has gotten worse. Private monopolies tend to be worse than public ones.

Nationalized electricity, water and gas used to work very well in the united states.

I’m not saying it isn’t technically possible to do that but I have zero faith even if you proved without a doubt that maintain privatized functions was wasting public money that they would actually do anything about it.

People in Britain are also so worn down totally. We don’t believe that things will change because they never do.

Every time the government appears to be about to have to accept some accountability for wrongdoing, files get lost. Every time! And every time people forget about it within a week.

Hell the results of a report investigating allegations of child rape and murder by senior political figures got lost and it barely made the news cycle.

I get tired of people insulting the DMV and the USPS - as well as other government services. Yes, there are problems. But, its a lot easier when you can restrict your clientele and raise prices like private industry does. see

And, make no mistake, that's pretty much private industry's only one-up on government. If you don't think there is corruption in private industry, then you should check their books – oh, that's right YOU CAN'T. No wonder everyone complains about muh gummints, but doesn't about industry. Who the fuck do you think is paying for those private jets, that multi-million dollar private elevator, etc etc for the CEO? That money doesn't appear out of thin air, you know.

put up candidates for the local seat? start a new political party. I'm sure you can at least scare them into compliance. isn't there some foundation that'll provide the money to study all this corruption?

I thought Rotherham was front page news for months in the UK. Are you kidding me?

My local UKIP councilor based his campaign almost exclusively on this angle. He even sent a mail shot to every single home in the constituency explaining the whole situation and how he would put an end to the wastage.

He did not get many votes, people don’t care in my area as it is quite a wealthy part of the country.

It made a few headlines but not for months.

They have also made it illegal to hold public events in Rotherham campaigning for justice for the victims as it might offend local Muslims.

I know Brits get a hard time on Holla Forums sometimes but we have to put up with a lot in this country and it’s a miracle most of us get out of bed in the morning.

Why do you think so little outrage to rotherham? Modern people think if they don't see it on tv it isn't real because anything important or salacious would be on tv. People assume experts would tell them and be on top of it which goes to show you when there is a real crisis it's already too late for tv to do anything.

WTF IS THIS?!?!

You should have made a Constitution like we did, bro. You shouldn't have adopted ideological parties, either - and you should have smashed the Commies. Its too, too bad.

How do Brits put up with this? Do most of them justify to themselves that making political protest illegal? based on what…? it isn't proper? not polite enough? wtf?

This is a problem, but didn't it used to be this way? You need to remove the anti-britains from your government forthwith. It seems to me that's the problem. Or, you need a Trump-like shake up of the political parties. idk

I don’t understand it so I can’t answer you. Being a man of principle and conviction in Britain is not a comfortable life.

How do they justify it? They are broken is how, why doesn’t a bear bite the head off of a trainer who his trying to make him stand on a chair?

Perhaps after the next war some people might wake up, perhaps.

I feel like I am actually dead and living in hell some days pal.

I used to want to emigrate to Europe, and UK (/Ireland) was my first choice, if only for language reasons, and some genetic reasons (Germany was the other thought, or maybe Sweden). But now, after seeing all this and talking to people on Holla Forums I'm proud to be an American again. Or, at least, the grass doesn't look greener on the other side anymore.

Europe et all has really jumped the shark recently and for the first time ever I can say without exaggeration that I would not recommend moving to any European country.

Even the countries such as Hungary that are currently very safe and have sensible Governments don’t have clear-cut futures because they are a target of the EU dictatorship who is intent on trashing the whole continent.

I can also without exaggeration suggest that you avoid visiting any European cities for the time being, they aren’t safe from attack and many of them have populations of invaders from all over the world having a free for all as they are above the law. Rape, assault and robbery are now common in what in the past were amongst the safest places in the world.

America has it’s issues and you still have area’s that are more dangerous than even the most affected European cities but you still have a sense of National pride, you have greater freedoms, a legal right to defend yourself and you have a presidential candidate that justifies cautious optimism for the future.

I’m not a self loathing Brit by any means, I am just being honest here.

I'm not so sure about those, especially the legal right to defend yourself (as opposed to arm yourself), but I am optimistic. Mostly, you have to understand that the US is the way it is bc we just keep the niggers in the slums. The cities are more spaced out and are easier to enter-exit, and our suburbs and rural areas have strong local governments. And, cops aren't afraid to drop the hammer on a shitskin that's acting up, bc nobody fucking cares, really. I couldn't imagine being trapped in a European-style city with all those shitskins and your chicken-shit police. It must be terrifying.

Why has this thread been sunk? This is some good quality political discussion

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nationalist first, everything else comes second

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