CASUALS GET PLAYED BY THE COMICS INDUSTRY AGAIN

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Who fucking cares? Its the Big Two, they pull dumb shit all the time to reel in casuals and retards.

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Feels bad man.

It's fun hype for memes, but I'm not seeing any evidence anyone is buying more of anything because of it.

I care because most of Holla Forums are casuals and are prone to taking big two bait.

Look at Holla Forums. I genuinely believe some Holla Forumslocks believing that this whole Captain America thing was totally not a sales gimmick has lead to further degradation of Holla Forums into tinfoil hat territory.

In this case, I think it's Holla Forums's job to educate our fellow anons not to believe DC or Marvel's lies.

You mean to tell me they created a bullshit storyline to sell more books? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Noone cares. Most of the site just takes the caps from crap storytimes and laughs/screams at them. You are assuming that anyone cares about comic as an artform, they don't (outside of here, maybe).

People on this site just made fun of it and made some decent OC.

The only by-product of "taking bait" here is that more and more people realize that the big two, especially Marvel, are irredeemable shit to be avoided. That's a good lesson to be learned from all of this anyways and never translates into sales so I don't see what the big deal is.

Everyone was aware it was attempt to drum up sales and the few that didn't wouldn't have bought the comic anyway. The "Hype" was everyone calling it out on being a completely retarded twist. All marvel did was show normalfags how shit comic writing has become.

Holla Forums was focused on redskull's speech more than anything

I think you mistake taking bait to actually buying comicbooks, most of the people that complained about that picture didnt buy the comic book.
Thats the thing, people complain but dont actually buy anything, they just want something to complain about.

Every vocal "Holla Forums" guy here is the biggest fucking casual you could ever ask to find. Of course they fall for this shit as easy as they SJWs, Marvel knows how to reel in stupid people.

But telling Holla Forums they're casuals isn't the same as educating them. Story time some classic Cap stuff, get people reading the character. I personally would post a lot of the Gruenwald era stuff, if I had it. Being the casuals they are, most of the Holla Forums obsessed posters here don't even know a guy like John Walker exists, much less how much they'd enjoy his adventures if they knew about him.


Yeah, because they're fucking casuals. They think Red Skull is what Hugo Weaving looks like under his skin. And you can pretend all day "oh, no body bought anything!" but every whiny casual was giving Marvel free attention for the cheapest stunt possible. Their biggest worry is apathy, rage is at least a few bucks, guaranteed.

OP, you're a massive faggot. Holla Forums wasn't conned into buying comics by Marvel, all that happened was they were given more ammunition to point out how Marvel is one of the most pozzed companies in the world.

I understand that this board has a lot of anons who keep getting their anus tightened by the Holla Forums bogeyman but relax you fags.

Go look at the Punisher thread, count how much of it has anything to do with the Punisher. Holla Forums, or Holla Forums wannabes, are the casual cancer that is shitting up the board. Maybe none of them are real Holla Forums, unless Holla Forums really is full of nothing but easily trigger ideologues who can't have a normal conversation about comics on a comic board. If that is the case, both Holla Forums regulars and anyone actually from Holla Forums should shun this spergs and make it clear they are not wanted on the board.

I mean, unless I'm to assume you're one of these wannabes and simply are trying to shut down discussion because you don't like the topic. That would pathetic.

The multi billion dollar grossing movies are already giving them worldwide attention and are the only reason some of these characters are even popular in the mainstream right now. The films are more responsible for the spikes in sales than anything else.
All that happened was a bunch of people said "this is stupid" on social media. Marvel comics damaged their reputation. And you're acting like normies flooded comic shops and bought every single copy for record sales.

shiggy

Holla Forums is just like the SJWs. They don't care about comics at all. They do care about taking control of it and using it to push their narrative. They would never buy the shit even if the entire industry got turned into a nazi hugbox drawn drama. But they would still complain that it wasn't politically correct(in the classic soviet sense of abiding by the official party doctrine) and if someone challenged them they would lie and said they have been buying it the entire time.

Holla Forums is what is killing Holla Forums

Which proves you don't fucking belong here. At all. This isn't Holla Forums, if you're not sharing a love of comics more than bitching about them, you shit up the board and are a waste of space.


That issue sold almost 100K, which of course factors in the return of Steve Rogers, but a steady amount of attention even from just a preview page of Red Skull giving a pretty standard speech.

There is no shame in being a casual, as long as you WORK TO IMPROVE. If you won't care enough to do the basic research, learn these characters and their pasts, you will think Red Skull giving a speech is some mindblowing insult or never before seen spectacle. No one cares about your political obsessions, because when you're here, you can't be Holla Forums or Holla Forums wannabes. You need to BE Holla Forums when you're in Holla Forums.

Now before replying, download a Cap story, something at least a decade or older. Tell me what you think, tell me what you want to see, maybe someone here can point you to a run that will help you get properly invested in the characters.

Fuck off, kike. The big two haven't produced a quality comic since the 80s.

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so, i stopped following cape stuff around 2010, what happened this time?

Nothing, Marvel is just trying to stir up controversy and pander to liberals. They deserve to be ignored, like the retards they are.

Your post has nothing to do with what I'm saying. I'm talking about how the bad press is irrelevant because most people complaining didn't buy jack shit. But you want to keep deflecting to "everyone's' a causal but me". DC rebirth and civil war crushed cap in comic sales so why do you care that hydra cap trended for a week?

Sources

1 DC Universe Rebirth 1 $2.99 DC 235,791
2 Civil War II 0 $4.99 Marvel 177,283
3 Punisher 1 $3.99 Marvel 110,726
4 Batman 52 $3.99 DC 102,197
5 Captain America Steve Rogers 1 $4.99 Marvel 99,768

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Nobody bought into any of this either way, faggot.

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See, this is how I know all the "Holla Forums" we got is mostly wannabes. Holla Forums should know exactly how SJWs look when they get triggered and dismissive, when they try to shut down discussions that don't suit them. They look AFRAID. Neither of you (if there really are two) can't even read an old Cap book? Can't even show me a picture of Squadron Supreme to show me you know about comics that did very similar things to Watchmen, came out a year beforehand, and don't have movies? Casual as fuck!

Go read Squadron Supreme, go read some 80s and 90s Cap.


If you want to prove your not a casual, then what's so hard about reading a comic or two? Seriously, I'm not saying you need to tell me John Walker's dick size, or even list off the various Caps that existed while Steve was frozen, this isn't a trivia challenge. You need to have a better argument than saying two COMPANY WIDE EVENTS "crushed" Cap in sales. And when I say that, I'm looking at the same site you're quoting here.

Magneto wasn't even Jewish back then, he was a gypsy. But if your'e saying the story wasn't well written and fun (especially later when Red Skull was hallucinating and talked to Hitler) then you just haven't read it. A good deal of Acts of Vengence was goofy fun like that.

I just wanted to mock you for the sake of it.

Daily reminder that the 4/co/ was the gateway to SJW invasion on 4chan.

The Cosmic Cube is or is part of Dr.Manhatten.
Gotcha.
It is blue and everything.
Makes sense.

3 Punisher 1 $3.99 Marvel 110,726
4 Batman 52 $3.99 DC 102,197

Both Batman and Punisher did better than cap despite hydra cap trending throughout social media. Yet everyone "got conned".

Then they're not Holla Forums retard!

This is now a Jap comic thread.

Yeah, but that's no "crushing" it either. Punisher should be doing good after being so good in Daredevil season 2. And Batman is FUCKING BATMAN.

Casuals don't read comics. You're not reading comics. It's not rocket science.


Since I'm one of the few to actually read the links in the OP… it's about the kinda thing I expected, with a few more details I couldn't of guessed only due to not specifically following the previous books. I actually think it would be clever if it goes the way that I would write it: Steve is loyal to an idealized version of Hydra would make him eventually a bigger threat to Red Skull's plan as Steve tries to steer Hydra onto a righteous path. I don't know if that's anything like what they'd do, but that's how I'd take things just based on the scraps of info I know.

Was literally bait from the outset. OP started the thread with "Why is he so edgy" and you expected people NOT to shitpost it to hell? A thread, a majority of the time, is only as good as its OP. Start a thread with bait and the entire thread will be other anons baiting each other. It has nothing to do with politics and more to do with who can outshipost the other.

Did anyone ever claim Berserk was realistic?

YOU ARE NO Holla ForumsFAG. GET OUT AND NEVER RETURN.

Holla Forums does not deny them, ergo they are Holla Forums.

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I frequent Holla Forums and most of it is about as much as you'd expect, although there are faggots here who think there sole purpose is to only make sure no one ever has any fun. There are quite a few fun threads on that board and aside from a couple of spergs who go on and on about "muh paganism is best religion" (they even get called out by other anons for being fags about it), Holla Forums isn't as bad as the goons mucking up the board make it out to be.

The spurgs who go on about "muh white race" all day on this board are just try-hard Holla Forumstards who saw one thread about national socialism and think they are an aryan god.

That's the same reason I can't stand SJWs and hypersensitive leftists, why would I want to be apart of that cancer? Don't jump to conclusions so quickly and be a little more trustworthy.

But sure, user. Holla Forums is singlehandedly behind it all.

I know you're used to Reddit but we are on an anonymous imageboard, there's no way to track anyone so how could Holla Forums even keep track of them and why should they care what a couple of spergs are shitposting about on a mostly-dead board about cartoons and comics?

Also don't forget the fact that literally any thread that's talking about comics not published by the big two gets thrown under the bus so that we can continue to whine and bitch about the big two. Fuck Holla Forums is so shit, I hate it but I can't leave it.

I don't know why you hate this place, you're right at fucking home.

You seem triggered fam, you okay?

Do a story time about a comic you fucking like. Maybe people will check it out, maybe they won't. If you have a niche interest, it might get niche attention. But that doesn't mean you MUST talk about the big two.

If you don't like people storytiming cancer all the time, then how about YOU start posting shit you do like? Don't sit on your ass and just wait for someone to do it for you.

By throwing a huge fit about the political implications of a comic, you're giving free advertisement to Marvel's products since much of their business model is building up false controversy to keep people interested and, in theory, buying.

Both Holla Forums and SJWs bought the hype hook line and sinker. They railed against it without even reading a page, cementing it's presence in internet consciousness and actively contributing to the downfall of the medium. By loudly protesting it, you're creating more of it.

they can say they're being "successful" but the only things that are honest about that are sales reports. just because some people make parody, satire, and fan art doesn't mean they're going out and buying. Most people still just pirate that shit, and every day I see more and more comic shops closing down. Sure, they'll have a few weeks of people talking, but I am sure NO ONE is buying it anyways

Yes, on Holla Forums and Holla Forums they act like it's the most realistic comic of all time.

Bullshit. They think it's awesome, and it is, but I've never heard anyone call it realistic.

what Holla Forums have you been going to?

The only time I hear Holla Forums discuss Berserk is when they're debating over whether or not Guts counts as a cuck.

Exactly, it's very rare but they do talk about the manga in a light that means they do like it and have read it before, and none of them ever mention it being "realistic", just about the whole rape thing and how Guts might be a cuck.

This thread has made it very clear you are a massive retard so I'll make this as clear as possible for simpleton.

Just because people talk about something does not mean they bought it or will buy it. And logically if most of the comments are in a negative context then people would be less likely to spend money on it. Which is why reviews exist.

In your own words CASUALS DO NOT BUY COMICS, so the attention would only effect the people ALREADY BUYING BIG 2 COMICS.

See how that works? The punisher comic did better than the captain America comic because it didn't generate negative attention.

Go to another fucking board to talk about all this shit.

Just surprised how fast they did the "hes not REALLY a Hydra agent you guys!" move. Superman and Wolverine stayed dead much longer than hardly a month.

Of course anyone who didnt see something like this coming is either a 10 years old or fucking retarded (or both). Marvel and DC both have pulled this kind of "dramatic" plot twists only to retcon them later because they will never change the original loved characters for very long.

go eat a booger.


of course Marvel would never stick to anything for too long. They're fucking pussies when it comes to doing anything that alters the status quo.

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Yeah, just keep posting it. I mean, it's better than trying to have a real conversation, right? Just post images and dismiss posts that trigger you.

Ranamon a qt

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case in point: Holla Forums uses the word 'trigger' unironically.

the picture fits the post he is replying to perfectly.

I used to not believe people when they said Holla Forums is tumblr, but holy shit was I wrong

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Remember Holla Forums this is typical leftist bullshit. He is not trying to win anyone over, he is trying to keep people from having any kind of conversation because he knows his side will lose in a debate. It's why they accuse people of racism nonstop, and why they scream and argue incoherently on tumblr. Just use the filter, you will be glad you did. We have this same problem on Holla Forums, if somebody just jumps into a thread and screams about how Holla Forums is ruining Holla Forums filter and move on.

And that's why IDs would be a good thing.

Good point, I should just filter and hide, but I am too much of a sperg and always find the need to reply. Thanks for the advice.

yeah, alright. Maybe it would be good to have IDs so fags can't use the "you're a samefag" as their only defense.

But no one was accused of racism

That was just an example of another tactic. What they do is accuse someone of being racist/sexist/homphobic or whatever in order to trick you into going on the defensive. This way you will not defend your position because you are trying to show you are not racist/sexist/homphobic, but you will never be able to no matter how much evidence you bring to bear because you are racist/sexist/homphobic in their eyes because you don't agree with them. It's tactics like this that have allowed political correctness to become so prevalent even though it has been universally mocked by everyone over the years

see earlier points and regard the fact that without the Holla Forums mentality you wouldn't be able to spot the marxist sales tactics for shit

Holla Forums and Holla Forums fucking saved Holla Forums you stupid nigger.
Do you want this place to be a fucking tumblr infested hellhole?
Fuck off coon
Also see pic
furthermore this is a fucking IMAGE board you retard


fuck off casual

Wow Holla Forums really called it

To be fair, they all thought that it was a gimmick with shit writing. Most of them were just reacting to the SJW reaction towards it.

You're right that both parties gave a gimmick undeserved attention though.

Doesn't Holla Forums use "trigger" to describe its opposition as well?

Lemmesee if I understood.

A Reality Warper wished an aging Captain America into being a Hydra tool.

I hate to break it to you, , but he's right.

This is what a culture war means. Facts and truth go out the window; there is only ammunition for ideological debate. SJWs and Holla Forums alike see things this way. Holla Forumslacks raging about this were just like the SJWs they were criticising; they don't read comics to the level that honest enthusiasts do. They just got triggered by something offending their sensibilities.

Honest comic enthusiasts lose no matter who's winning, because we don't get to talk about the hobby we love. Only the politics surrounding it.

What the fuck is a "marxist sales tactic"? Did you make that up so that the big two shilling their comics with gimmicks becomes a political thing? Add to that, you're crediting fucking Holla Forums for something that Holla Forums was aware of before even the first exodus?

Fucking hell man. Take a break and get your head straight.

I would still rather Holla Forums wins so at least people have the right to write more comics the way they want without obligatory "ugh, like, the patriarchy is lame" and forced pandering everywhere.

That wouldn't happen. You don't understand the diabolical nature of the comic industry and the lengths they're willing to go to pander to the demographic that will give them money.

Right now, they think social media sjws will give them money so you've got all that shit about "patriarchy" and "diversity". If Holla Forums "wins" (are they actually fighting anything?), it will do nothing to stop the core problem. Instead of sjw shit, it'd be Holla Forums shit, and Holla Forums would still be fucked.

This is my issue with other boards talking about comics. They don't get how this shit works. They'd think shit pandering to them is "winning" instead of realizing it's all a big con.

It's entirely hypothetical, you're the one who brought up the "culture war" and "two sides fighting" so I would assume Holla Forums would be one of the sides.

So comics are entirely shit, got it.

There is no conversation here. Just a few idiots who don't understand that people frequent multiple boards.

I'm not that guy.

Also

Did you think Holla Forums's desire for the entire industry to burn was hyperbole?

FTFY

My bad.

There are still retards around here thinking it can be saved and salvaged.

It can be, they'll just sort things out once Dan Diddy-o dies or is assassinated.

There's too much wrong with American Comic Books as a business that simply firing all the incompetent editors and management won't do anything meaningful to fix the industry

You know, I can understand why someone would come up with that idea with how comic books have traditionally functioned in the past. However I think it is one of those situations that resulted in doctors prescribing leeches for years. It worked for something in a very particular scenario and they began to use it all the time. Pointing to the ten or so cases where it helped while ignoring the thousands of cases it did nothing to or even hurt.

Comic books are largely a flamboyant medium. It simply works with a form of art that shifts from panel to panel with the readers mind having to fill in the gaps. Big, spectacular frames are very memorable and can be cast against smaller and more subdued pictures for contrast. In fact, the idea that your mind will fill in parts of the story can even mean that the story will continue for the reader even after the chapter is done. It's why almost every comic ends with a kind of cliffhanger.


Comic books once thrived on having a shocking cover page with explanations for just how the contents of the book justified outlandish and crazy sales covers. However the main reason that a strange comic cover or situation may get sales is because there is an agreed upon set of rules and understandings in the narrative. The rules can be bent and very occasionally broken to create amazing drama. I think it was true that 'when comics do something nobody likes the sales go up'


I think the 'Hail Hydra' and the reason why it got so much play in actual fans that the media seemed to not get was the last vestiges of comic fans putting up with this kind of shit. It's been coming since the early 2000's when comics started going from major even to major event without giving any character time to just be themselves anymore. EVERY character goes from Good to Evil to Good again, then becomes a woman, and then an alien, and then there are two versions of them and ect. There's simply no narrative base anymore.


I am certain that they can come up with a reason for cap being a nazi. In the hands of a great writer it could even be a pretty good story. The problem is that nobody cares anymore. These companies have twisted their characters so far around that it just doesn't matter anymore what the fuck they do. It's impossible to be invested in these characters anymore because nothing means anything. Some fans were wise to this years ago, some probably jumped ship after this, some will leave after whatever bullshit they pull next. Every time Marvel and DC will lose more readers and make less sales and I want to point out that former fans? Those are some of the hardest customers to get back. There is literally nothing that can get me to read Spiderman after One More Day.


It's infuriating to see these companies piss away the last bits of good will that might keep people somewhat interested in buying books from them. They flat out REFUSE to put out new characters or retire old ones so every time they erode their characters with stunts is less reason to pay attention.


This ties directly into the 'diversity problem' that they seem so adamant in paying lip service to. They don't make no effort at all to put up new characters with the backing they would need to get off the ground. Hoping instead they can just swap out some skin colors and chromosomes for a few issues and placate the tumblr crowd. Always claiming that people only want books of popular characters and that other books don't sell.


That is, of course, bullshit. Characters get popular by being engaging and having quality material made with them. Seriously, Guardians of the Galaxy involved a cast that nobody in the mainstream had even heard of with Rocket Raccoon and Groot being some of the most strange and niche characters you could possibly find and the public LOVED IT when they gave it a try. Now Guardians is a fucking Marvel tent pole.

/a/, shut up.

Firing all the incompetent editors and management would do WONDERS to fix the industry. What they need to do is put a competent writer in charge as editor. I'm not sure who could do it for Marvel, but if DC used Grant Morrison, the quality of their books would improve a thousandfold.

Stop jacking off over "the death of western comics", because they're STILL better than whatever trash the nips are churning out. Marvel and DC are shit right now, so just go read Image.

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What about it?

Clearly you're the one from /a/ if you honestly believe that


Yes, let's replace pretentious hipster trash with even more pretentious hipster trash

What does this even mean? Are you one of those fags that talks about how superheroes need to be 'relatable'?

This is how you make superheroes popular.

#1 - They NEED a good costume. There are maybe 3 or 4 characters that are popular that don't have good ones, and they're largely exceptions.

#2 - Cool or interesting powers, or an otherwise interesting concept. This is what made comics great to begin with, the fantastic characters that did amazing things. Nobody cares if they're not a deep or complex character when they're called THE FLASH, and run faster than the speed of sound. It's the previously unseen level of fantasy and imagination that made them so loved initially.

#3 - The stories must be good. Nobody will care about The Flash if he just fights bank robbers for very long. So how about a story where someone finds a way to duplicate his fantastic powers and uses them for evil? Or hell, just a mob boss or corrupt businessman with some outlandish practices?

Once comics get interesting again, that's when they'll do well. They need to write good stories about fantastic and astounding characters that do amazing things.


It's time for you to go, /a/. Or are you going to keep up your ruse and try to tell me pics related are "hipster trash" too?

Actually, I take that back. He's been influential and well-respected for MUCH longer than a decade by now.

This is probably before online comics were a major deal. Before people made a point to post online images of a given comic to show how full of shit they were. And finally, I can bet any amount of money he is talking about Spider-man selling away his marriage to save Aunt May. Ever since that shitfest, this is the excuse the comic industry trots out to explain away why they are doing gimmicks when before that it was never true and comics always took a hit in the sales. This is an excuse trotted out for the higher ups because the writers and editors know they are creatively bankrupt and even then couldn't write a good story for the given characters because they don't know anything about the characters.

Morrison's good for nothing more than wanking himself off. He would be a terrible editor

…Okay I'm just going to ignore this whole thing and look at that Magento/Skull comic.

He says "I've left you with no way out…"

Y'know, besides the massive fucking jugs of water.
Why not just stack them, use them to balance then spider-man it up the shaft? Sure you wouldn't get it the first time but you could keep going.


FUCKING HELL MAGNUS THINK

I really don't understand who tells you these things.

Oh jesus christ, FUCK no. If anything superheroes are getting far to focused on being mundane.

I'm talking much more about what you are saying in part 3 than anything else. In fact I would argue that part 3 is more important than powers or looks. Sadly something simple like narrative Cohesion shouldn't even be an issue for a narrative based media but that seems to be the world we live in now.

There was a simpsons joke about this with Alan Moore.

"So you LIKED that I made your favorite superhero a heroin addicted jazz critic who's not radioactive?"

When you push the envelope so far that literally nothing of what you are writing is related to the basic themes of a character then it's time to evaluate what you're doing and most likely stop. And when you fuck up so consistently don't act like your customers are wrong for assuming the worst because they're usually also right.

What a stupid answer. Ignoring the obvious ignorance in your post, your solution disregards the major price issues, distribution issues, and public perception problems plaguing the industry. No amount of regime change will eliminate those core issues. The main reason Manga is dominating the West is because it doesn't have any of those problems. They're affordable, are in every book store, and are not only new reader friendly(thanks to self contained stories), but also have a HUGE female readership, something the Big Two have been killing themselves to acquire, like hiring bitches like Kate Leth.

I'm sure you're going to get mad about this, but we've seen your kind show up time and time again, spouting your naive ideas to fix an industry that beyond hope. We've been through this hundreds of times. There's no way to save it without a massive crash.

A massive crash wouldn't save the industry, it would just destroy it. It would put Marvel and DC into mostly reprints and while some her might entertain the naive belief that this would allow indie comics to rise up and take dominance, the fact is that without Batman, Superman and Spider-Man to lure people into comic shops/buying comics, indies will get ignored more than they already are.

There is no hope for this industry

Just spitballing here. Bare with me Holla Forums

How does the plot go, Holla Forums?

You're right. However, people who say that the industry needs to burn are still in the wrong. There IS hell to pay, though. For instance, anyone who subscribes to the "It's better to make something bad that pisses off your fanbase than something good that some people won't be interested in" mindset need to be fired and blacklisted by the industry.

On retcons though, I do think it's okay to change certain characters if you're going to write the definitive version of them, like Morrison's Doom Patrol or Geoff Johns' Green Lantern.

Yes most of his stuff is fucking terrible, but his GL is not among that group
That said, if I were in charge I'd still oust him from the industry or at least keep him on a very tight leash

But what we under no circumstances want are these "re-imaginings" like Hellcat or nu52 Shazam where the characters aren't even the same. If you don't like Captain America when he's a white guy, then you DON'T LIKE CAPTAIN AMERICA.

I just want some FUCKING GOOD SUPERHERO STORIES AGAIN, FUCK


It's kind of funny how every single thing you suggest involves comics being impossible to save, even though they've been through awful times before.

It's almost as if you don't like comics or cartoons at all, and just want anime and manga to take their place.

Nah, just have Morisson meta it all away.

It's an elseworld bruh,
I want to see how Holla Forums would write itself out.
My current idea is that a new group of heroes lead by Zoom or Josher 2 or something takes forms a new nation knowing they can't save the world but they can save those who want to be saved but I want to hear other outs

Also forgive typos, hung over

Most of those awful times were mitigated by the fact that people actually read comics. They don't any more. Comic books have no end of competition that just didn't exist in the 50s

So you're telling me the decades of Manga getting utterly BTFO by comics throughout the 80s and 90s didn't happen?

You had your little uprising, but western readers will NEVER embrace japanese comics.

It really doesn't. It REALLY doesn't take that long. They could have drastically changed their entire story in the span of time between the reveal, the backlash, and the release of these books. EASILY.

The fact that they are trying to spin this as "HA HA GOTCHA!" after several weeks of terrible PR and enormous backlash from fans, veterans of the industry, and even feminists shows how desperate they are. Nick Spencer did a little interview lap where he insisted they were working on this for a long time and that Cap was always part of Hydra.. and now it's just cosmic fuckery that's only affecting the future? Fucking hell, how dumb do they think we are?

I think Lobo or someone like him would show up and not give a fuck about PC culture. Or maybe a villain character that people would normally hate but they side with him because the people he fights against are ultra-cucked pansies.

Holla Forums here. We didn't flip out. I worked in the industry, so I knew. Give us some credit.

Care to elaborate, Holla Forumsack ?

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I guess that's why the manga section of every bookstore is 2x the size of their comic section.

I only visit Holla Forums on occasion, and at best, you guys had one thread with a lot of typical reactions, similar to what Holla Forums had: confusion and mockery.

The faggots who like to make broad generalizations about Holla Forums in EVERY. FUCKING. THREAD. ON. Holla Forums. are just D&C shills who are trying to stir up shit. Probably /int/, probably SRS faggots from plebbit who think they can subvert the top boards by constantly shitposting and derailing.

Sales, conventions and advertising. Not for the big two though….

What rage there is, is just people wanting an excuse to raise Hell about something. You should have seen all the stores that bought into that Superman dies crap. You can't give that comic away.

Not only are you wrong but

You what m8. Not to mention there are actual comic book STORES, if we're talking about volume.

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Please tell me you are not this retarded

Exactly, hahah "confusion and mockery." spot on!

They didn't change shit and you know it. The art alone would've taken ages.

They played word games with you. You have to realize that every single comic book interview is hype. Of course Cap was always part of Hydra, since the Cosmic Cube changed his entire history to make it so. It can do that. The interviewer just didn't ask "was this because of Steve's revitalization", which he didn't because he's just as much a sales person as his guest.

You and me both, fam.

I thought superhero comics were only popular in the 50s.

Make up your mind, weeb!

Western comic artists aren't that slow and 90% of their work is photoshop and tracing old panels and stock photos anyways.

They don't have these things drawn for months in advance and it's actually quite hard for them to keep up with their own release schedules most of the time because they are producing them as they go.

It's been about a month since Captain America Steve Rogers #1 was released. Longer if you count the preview that was put out before. That's a whole month to asspull the script and throw out all the art upon seeing the reaction.

Holy shit, fuck off /a/. You clearly don't know what you're talking about.

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Oh wow, one example. You sure showed me.

I never said it didn't happen. Photorealism WAS a trend (not that you'd know that) but that kind of thing isn't widespread at all.

You really going to do this? Really?

This is not news.

Oh fuck off weebbcuck. Don't even try to pull that bullshit. Cuckime does this shit constantly

So which is it? They don't trace or they do?


Nigger, you've got that backwards. Some western faggot traced a bunch of Bleach panels.

Incarnate was made by Gene Simon's son, it's not an actual manga.

Why don't you try reading my post?

Yes, bad artists do trace.

But just how many fucking comic book artists do you think there are that ones like Greg Land are the majority? It's not like in your tentacle porn where they have a set team that works on the story until it's done. Even when they try to do that there are guest artists or replacements all the time.

Go ahead and try to make this about anime, but it doesn't change the fact that Marvel comics is over-reliant on digital fuckery to cover the fact that their artists are terrible and lazy.

Are you fucking serious?

I didn't say anything about anime, weeb. Are you so dense that you think you're only arguing with one person?

Wrong again! While the art for a few of the books they're producing now is shit (hellcat, spider-woman), most of it is passable, and some of it is even pretty great, like pic related.

Now I am fully convinced this is an elaborate troll thread.

You are clearly only one person

I guess that remark about tentacle porn and weebs was just a well-natured jab at the American tentacle porn industry and the common insult thrown at american media fans.

Okay, how about some MORE comics that have good or at least passable art?


Also, could you samefag less obviously?

That's not even the worst betrayal 've seen in comics.

Are you so dense that you think you're only arguing with one person?

Even though Superior Spider-Man was an obvious quick sale, I still enjoyed it. It was a far closer look at Peter improving himself and making better life choices than what came before. Until writerd remembered that Doc Ock was evil and thus they have to make everything conveniently go to shit at the end. Cause fuck if Peter Parker "ever" let shit go as bad as Doc Ock did at the end. Never fucking happened.
Should I feel bad seeing Spider-Man slugging Black Cat in the face. Honestly just thought it was about time

Didn't artist in Venom Knight traced Tau ships from W40K and put them in the comic?

It wasn't an exaggeration to say that tracing and stock photography is the industry standard.

Unfortunately, not many modern comic artists take the time to learn good fundamentals, mostly because they stopped teaching life drawing at many art colleges. You think artists should know their anatomy and muscle groups? Check your privilege!

You'd think tight, regular deadlines would force them to improve, but it just causes them to take more shortcuts, like slapping photoshop filters over stock anatomical 3d models.

Stock photos do exist, partially, for reasons like this. Artists sometimes need reference for weird shit and stock photos solve that problem.

Jesus Saiz is a pretty decent artist, either way.

Holla Forums is being raided by goons trying to D&C Holla Forums forums against each other. Their usual target is Holla Forums.

Pretty much. Same thing happened at cuckchan, remember?

Except we actually do have /a/ invading, have you not seen all the morons coming here to talk about anime?

Actually, no I haven't. I saw one thread a while ago with some weebshit loli, and then there's that one fag in this thread talking about it. So far, those are the only anons I have seen mention anime. Not much of an invasion if you ask me.

To be fair, it is /a/.

They mostly just talk about how "comics are beyond saving" but freak the fuck out whenever you call them out on not knowing anything about the industry or medium.

If you ask me…both of them are crap anyways save for a few good ones once in a while. Honestly, seeing Holla Forums and /a/ arguing each other while those SJWs and their ilk just slip through and set the two houses on fire is sad really.

Holla Forums and /a/ have always been an autistic house divided. Two shitty boards arguing about who has the least amount of shit piles.

I love how all the Holla Forums and Holla Forums anons think that Holla Forums is raiding them and shitting up their boards.

What they truly don't realize, is that more people are just BECOMING Holla Forumsish. Your fellow anons were next to you this whole time, except you didn't pay any attention to them, until they put on the red hats.

The thing is, if you have a problem with Holla Forums at this point, you're the actual problem now.

The vast majority of users on Holla Forums are Holla Forums and Holla Forums, those are just the facts of history ever since the first exodus happened. There's a reason this place was called Holla Forumschan for so fucking long.

Tell me moar about these marxist sales tactics.

I liked your post. No snarky plebbit sarcasm too cool you and everyone here intent.

That's a good angle to look at this.

When they "killed" Supes, we all knew it was a ruse. The real bet was how long he would be dead.

What we HOPED for, was that new characters would be forged and old characters would have to evolve in a world without a supreme super hero. We HAD hope.

Wasn't the black dude who was a steel worker a random bouncer in a comic last year wearing a Ben Grimm trenchcoat to hide his Collosus arms or something?

Good advice. Just like whenever Holla Forums tries to make things offtopic by talking about the jews again, just filter them. They have their own circle-jerk containment board where thoughtcrimes are not tolerated so they can talk about the jews there.

Its a sad case, where the moviemakers are the shepherds and the comic creators are the sheep. Marvel and DC used to set new trends, now they're simply following them with their own half-assed approach. Their father company Disney can be blamed for the same for many periods of its lifetime but at least in the beginning Disney really was the pioneer of animation, in the 90's they really did have a new renaissance of creativity and although modern flicks are very safe in terms of story and animation, their tech department are making some real improvements to 3d animation.

Meanwhile Marvel and DC had their golden age, then the silver age, then the age when great writers like Moore used to do things for them. And after they left, it has been steady downhill from there as quality has given way for cheap gimmicks.

self explanitory

smells like divide and conquer

what the fuck do you think it means retards.
sales tactics with a (((cultueral marxist))) influence.
Replacing white and straight characters with those that aren't.
also


it can.
Use your brains and wallets.


a retard casual from /a/, what a suprise


see I can list Grant Morrison trash too.
Influential doesn't mean good.
He's a SJW cuck. deal with it.


fuck off /a/ you're talking shit again


then a meta godengine dimensional meta book appears with a chaos symbol on front and rips out a page of itself containing a chapter from Moorecock which magically solves everything.
All this is done within 2 panels.


this

is this a fucking joke?
Your argument is to cherry pick one artist everyone mocks anyway


I enjoyed the premise. I wished it was permanent. An actual competent Spider-Man
Shame Slott couldn't write for shit.
and seeing him punch Black Cat was satisfying

Filter yourself Moisha. Go the fuck to tumblr and be with your own subversive mentally ill kind.

If naming jews triggers you, (((You))) are mostly a jew.

What did he mean by this, Holla Forums?

It's cute that you think money is the reason why they are pushing all this propaganda, despite the fact that they have shredded sales by doing so. Maybe cute is the wrong word. Stupid, now that's a more appropriate word to use.

They were only popular in the fifties, they simply coasted on prior success and had no competition until the nineties/new millennium, and when they finally did they entered an uninterrupted downward spiral that continues to this day. You talk so much hyperbolic shit, but you have absolutely nothing concrete to back up your assertions.

Yeah, and Western Animation has been enforced rated-PG-at-worst toy commercials and edutainment horseshit for over a generation now
At least the nips bother to repackage their shit. When the fuck was the last time capeshit so much as introduced a new character.
In a time and age where American cartoonist brag about taking story and art cues from anime, I find this laughable.
And the boat next to the titanic had a leak on it's side. At least they still have a market, and it has international numbers too.
And you brought up European comics in a discussion focused solely on the American comic industry around the Big Two.

Nothing you can say about the Japanese media can change the fact that it is simply in a better state than America. Western comics domestic revenue can barely compare to Japanese licensed exports in sales numbers. Learn to accept that fact as a sign of the times.

That he's a casual who doesn't know about Conner "impossible genetics" Hawke.

Thank you, user! Without your help I wouldn't have realize that comics are a propaganda tool of the Zionist conspiracy! It's clear that their use of superheroes is a foretelling of their plans to usher in a new world order with space holograms! It's then our reptilian overlords will make themselves known to us and will begin culling the population/ raping our children!

It all makes sense now! The widespread use of water fluoridation is to lower our brains natural DMT levels, preventing us from contacting the interdemensional annunaki and gaining the secrets of free energy!

To be fair its a mishmash of styles, lot of anime and manga take cues from french and belgian animation and comics.

Still, Japan is the #1 country when it comes to comics, France very close second. The market of both individually overshadow the US capes markets by a large margin.

In Japan all age ranges read comics from kids to elderly, theres comics about every single possible topic and only the tip of the iceberg really gets imported to the west, mostly stupid shonen shit and soft-hentai high school girl shit for weeaboos.

As for Europe, Donald Duck comics sell 10 times more than the capes sell in the US, so its stupid to even compare the markets with each other by this point.

Forgot to mention, in Japan whether a movie project(animated or otherwise) gets an okay from the fim industry depends how well its manga version is doing. Whereas here comics are usually just mediocre spinoffs of movies.

I heard the catlady clerk at a used book store near here talk about how it's impossible to find copies of Steve Rogers #1 "because people are burning them out of protest"

i was kinda frightened to meet a verified tumblrtard in the wild in my area

What a shit show of a thread. The only bigger faggot than any Holla Forums, /a/, or Holla Forums cross poster is the exclusive Holla Forumsautist.

Not necessarily so. Although most adaptations in anime now days come from light novels, the ones that come from manga generally follow the same rules. The adaptation serves as an advertisement for the core product. A production company is given a very small budget and shops around studios seeing if anyone is willing to take the money. When they find one they usually set up an agreement wherein the studio takes the majority of the risk and is allowed a portion of DVD BD and most if not all of the anime related merch.

The reason you see some popular series that sold well not getting further adaptations is that there is no reason for the publisher to risk money financing a commercial for a product they no longer make or sell. Spice and Wolf is a perfect example of this. Despite the anime being very popular and surpassing the Minabi line by a fair margin by the time the final episode of the second season had aired there was only one book remaining in the series. Another example is To aru Kagaku Railgun. The manga is extremely popular with it's core audience who discuss it often enough that there is no need for further adaptations.

Of course there are exceptions to this. Besides anime exclusive stuff, shows like DBZ remain perennial favorites and are able to justify their continued adaptations because they are capable of supporting a secondary market of merchandise. Shin-chan, Detective Conan, and Doraemon follow this trend, but are more heavily slanted towards families as they are seen as socially acceptable to watch unlike the majority of anime.

The reason American comics are dying right now is linked to the rise of the Direct Market. After the catastrophic Blizzards of '77 and '78, mainstream comics decided to put more resources into the lucrative Direct Market instead of maintaining ties to more traditional routes of distribution. This shortsighted greed meant that they were taking their product out of the public eye and putting it the hands of an incredibly niche audience of fanatics, which doomed the entire industry to it's inevitable death.

Nobody can be that retarded.

Your catlady is probably the retarded one. It's more likely speculators are buying them all up because of the internet controversy, just like they did with Milo Manara's Spider-Woman variant.

Nice non-sequitur.

People like you deserve cancer.

Do you have any concept of how slow DC and Marvel work? This shit is planned months, if not years ahead of time. For example, DC tried to capitalize on the Occupy Movement with "The Movement" and "The Green Team" two fucking years after Occupy imploded. Shit moves like molasses in January.

As for real conspiracies, you can blame fucking Wil Moss for all of this shit. He's the jackass that's editing Civil War 2, Qwenpool, Unbeatable Squirrel Girl, FemThor, Howard the Duck, and Kate Leth's fucking wretched Hellcat. He's behind all of it and his twitter feed basically confirms that comics are no longer being run as a business anymore.

Wil Moss is one of the fuckers who's basically made comics a hipster playground that has absolutely no job prospects for the talented or dedicated.

are you fucking retarded or do you really believe that Holla Forums users went and bought a fucking marvel comic because of this shit?

He's retarded and he thinks Holla Forums went out and bought Marvel comics. It's kind of sad. He's totally detached from reality. That's what reading Marvel will do to you.

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Holla Forums can't think for themselves. They need memes to make arguments for them.

He thinks Holla Forums never bought or read comics.

Maybe it is Holla Forums that is the ones doing the divide and conquer

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Of course it is idpol. They always stir shit up to see how far they can cross the line. If you keep letting them get away with it they will swarm the board and it will be nothing but people screaming about how comics are degenerate kike shit and how you should be out lynching people for the master race.

They don't have hobbies other than being angry at their small dicks and inability to get girlfriends.

Fuck off, Scrotum of Mossad.

Can this thread be one of the biggest cesspools of autism on this whole site? We've got faggots from plenty of boards bringing their best 'tism to the thread, let's see how it develops.

He's right you know. Just look at what happened to Holla Forums. That board is…I don't know what to call it, but if I was ever writing a paper about outgroups subverting a native population, I'd use that place as an example.

Holla Forums wrought their own doom long before by embracing complete off topic shitposting and mocking anyone who dissented. When you have no care or pride in your own board and its purpose then you invite in others who don't care either. They laid out the red carpet for their own doom.

nigger what the fuck are you trying to say


get the fuck back to cuckchan you stupid cunt.


look what happened to cuckchan, with one side of the political spectrum essentially being banned because the mod was a nigger the board and then the site was infested by tumblr
Holla Forums has always been shit.