Pope cucks out again

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There are Vatican-Romans on Holla Forums who will defend their religion.

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Stop saving niggers!

Not sacrificing your own safety to save a moron is the same as murder? The Pope is retarded.

They are invaders.

You could try reading the Bible.

You could try reading the Bible.

I am aware that there are excerpts that align with what I'd like to see more of from the faith, hence the bower birding. However, most people aren't cherry picking proverbs user, you know what i mean when i say there's a perpetuated culture of selflessness among Christians.

What an absolute disgrace this asshole is.

Meanwhile, the Pope lives behind massive walls.

Christcucks as a whole should be banned from Holla Forums, they're adding NOTHING of value and are by far the biggest D&C shills.

There have been plenty of horrible popes. At least one of them was openly atheistic as well.

-Day of the rope this asshole.
-Replace with non-cucked pope
-Teach old Christianity ( Deus Vult)
-Go to war with juedo-islam
-Reclaim the west
-Nuke the middle east ( especially israel)

Agnostic here. I find the opposite is the case & its the fedoras here that chimp out, screech and start furious autismposting any time christianity is mentioned.

I dont see christians calling for the banning of all non christians from the board. Apart from the odd provocateur, most posts iv seen from chritians are reasoned and lament the cucked state of their religion.
No one needs to be banned. Folk just need to stfu about their dogmatic differences if it is unrelated to the thread. When we have unity and a right wing white society THEN we can squabble over differences in faith and dogma. Until then, both sides need to tone down the autism and work together to achieve shared goals. This schism between christian and non christian Holla Forumsacks is one of the most cancerous ingroup squabbles currently plaguing us.

That’s a lousy situation to find yourself in user, nothing worse that watching your own family be taken advantage of only to find yourself helpless to stop it.

I guess that’s the situation we all here find ourselves in on the grand scale.

We need something. Society can’t function optimally without a centralizing faith. Look how much damage just a few decades of having ours replaced with individualism has caused (I know it’s more complicated that just that). Thousands of years of work evaporating into thin air.

This war we are in has many fronts and the spiritual one is all ton often overlooked.

Yes, the 'REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE' is implied, very good.

You autists really have no self-awareness, do you?

Christcucks BTFO

That's why I'm currently non-denominational. Of course, I will go to a Church that adheres to the teachings of the Word of God though.

Theocracy's Absolution Day song explains it best:
No priest can say I'm worthy
No sacraments or holy laws
Can take my sin away
No church can wash my spirit clean
For the scarlet stain that paints my soul to sleep
Runs way too deep

No blessed holy water
Can sanctify me in the eyes of God
The great I am
But He has made provision
To lift me up and wash me in the blood
Of the spotless Lamb

For Christ alone is worthy
To pay the price to set all sinners free
For even me
When all works fall short and efforts fail
I realize that faith alone's the key
Absolution for all who believe

Is that fucking Adebisi?

yeah, there's a reason no christian denomination teaches this "old christianity". it was bullshit. people at the time were denied access to the bible. those who tried to translate it were executed. the church did this to increase their power and influence. now anyone can read the bible, and see for themselves what a cuck jesus really was. your deus vult rhetoric is no less larpy than the pagans your type likes to talk shit about.

man, how do you guys do it? this seemed to be a relevant enough thread and i don't really want to go to /christian/ if its still around so..

i almost was one of those fedora tipper enlightened faggots, i almost drank all that leftist koolaid on gays and communism and shit but somehow deep down i knew that most of it was wrong. eventually though through enough exposure to the chans i came upon Holla Forums and realized i was a natsoc. which is all fine and good but theres still just one thing i can't do.

i can't believe in god, in jesus christ. not that i exactly want to believe it all, my wife is pretty religious and we're going to start having kids soon. now i may not be religious but a good deal of my family is and i was definitely raised on wholesome christian family values, which is what i'm going to pass on to my kids, but i just find it impossible to believe in god.

how do you guys keep the faith?

GAS THE FUCKING (((((VATICAN)))))

"In Gods Name

Tools of the Trade "On September 28, 1978, he had been pope for thirty-three days. In little more than a month he had initiated various courses of action that, had they been completed, would have had a direct and dynamic effect on us all. The majority in this world would have applauded his decisions, a minority would have been appalled. The man who had quickly been labeled "the smiling pope" intended to remove the smiles from a number of faces on the following day."

"The Vatican secretary of state, Cardinal Jean Villot… studied the list of appointments, resignations to be asked for and transfers the pope had handed him. He had advised, argued, and remonstrated, but to no avail. Luciani had been adamant."

"It was by any standards a dramatic reshuffle. It would set the Church in new directions - directions that Villot, and the others on the list who were about to be replaced, considered highly dangerous…."

"There was one common denominator, one fact that linked each of the men about to be replaced. Villot was aware of it. More important, so was the pope. It had been one of the factors that had caused him to act, to strip these men of real power…it was Freemasonry."

"The evidence the pope had acquired indicated that within the Vatican City State there were over one hundred Masons, ranging from cardinals to priests."

"Luciani was further preoccupied with an illegal Masonic lodge that had penetrated far beyond Italy in its search for wealth and power. It called itself P2. The fact that it had penetrated the Vatican walls and formed links with priests, bishops, and even cardinals made P2 anathema to Albino Luciani."

"That evening, September 28, 1978, thirty-three days after his election, Pope John Paul 1, "the smiling pope", was declared dead. No official death certificate has ever been issued. No autopsy ever performed. His body was hastily embalmed. Cause of death: Unknown. And Vatican business continues…"

In God's Name by David Yallop "The facts are here in meticulous detail, documenting widespread corruption within the Vatican and presenting a compelling case that six powerful men, to protect their vast financial and political operations, decided on a shocking course of action – Pope John Paul I must die."

[Luciani had been given the list of freemasons by a journalist; who was later found dead in the street, shot through the mouth.]

Pope on a Rope.

Firstly, there are very few if any Fedoras on Holla Forums.

Secondly, speaking of chimping out, you must have missed how christcucks constantly tell anyone who doesn't agree with them and their clergy they're going to burn in hell and stuff like that. They do it all the time, in fact they're doing it as we speak pic related.

Lastly, it's common knowledge that /christian/ raids this board every so often. I wouldn't be surprised if most of the christcucks here turned out to be /christian/ shills in the first place.

Just fuck off.

Forgot the pic.

I think the key is talking to God. Just throughout your day try talking to him -ask him for help, guidance, and most importantly, strength- and eventually you'll start to pick up on the fact that someone else is actually listening and helping out.

It's hard to explain.

Aw, did I hit a nerve?

All this edginess is getting a bit gay. Sure, this pope's a bit of a cuck/lefty clown… but the Church's job is to be compassionate.

What do you expect him to do? Take a boat out to sea, get on a turret and start mowing dindus down?

If they prophesy is canon as they claim , he is the last pope . He is also supposed to be the anti-pope and Rome / the church will finally fall and then the end times . Sometimes I feel like they elected this guy pope on purpose just to have self-fulfilling prophesy . A guy like this does complete 180 on his predecessors , even when they're STILL ALIVE . Now all the synagogue of satan and stuff is also confirmed , maybe it means something after all .

Fix'd

This pope would've been put to death for heresy in the good ole time of Christendom anyway.

Not even surprised that he's a cuck to boot.

That has nothing to do with Christianity and everything to do with subversion.

The ebil gnatsees had Christians too, the Crusades had Christians. And we all know how that went. What you're looking at is Marxist subversion, not Christian weakness.

The Bible forbids race-mixing but if you tell that to these cucks they'll call you a racist. They're not Christians, just another brand of Leftists.

Reposting this to show that Christianity isn't about cuckery and every 'Christian' that is cucking his own people will go to hell.

Back to Something Awful you go, silly goon.

Antipope

No you fuck off, you're posting on a board that has always been majority Christian and you're clearly not a Holla Forumsak anyway.

joshua 23:7 doesn't say no multiculturalism.

Get out, kikes

Sounds like a big NO to multicult you nose monster.

that picture is Holla Forums atheists and pagans biggest nightmare.

latent, but slowly waking up.

do you have any evidence to back that up? from what i've seen, christianity has almost zero relevance outside the daily thinly veiled anti-christan d&c threads. it's like shills repackaged their site wide anti/pol/ rhetoric with christianity.

This is like saying there's a wage gap, no, they weren't denied access to the Bible, they just had to speak Latin to read it
*tips fedora*
Hell is forever

Lightning bolt!

It is exactly so. Christianity is still the biggest religion in the world, so most people on this board since we were /n/ have been Christian.

Nobody ever even questioned this until this weird 'iron pill' pagan shit started popping up, after that the anti-Christian shilling started.

im so fucking tired of this cuckold pope, im not even christian but he just pisses the fuck out of me, he has no moral, all he does is tolerate everything and never get angry.

you have to get angry, anger is a human emotion, when you're in danger, when your people are in danger, when your women are in danger, you don't just tolerate everything like that, you get angry and fucking fight back.

christians didn't go on crusades for this fucking argie faggot cuckold to let subhuman goatfuckers take over

None of what Pope Francis says really matters. He is a man, he's allowed personal opinions.

The only time Catholics have to pay attention to him is when he speaks as the head of the church. Many popes don't even use this authority in their lifetime.

Daily Reminder that Jews hate Christ and Traditional Catholicism is the perfect expression of that.

You know there's something wrong with the pope when you seriously start considering pagan LARPing.

I really don't understand how anyone would want to listen to him considering he's a pedophile and participates in ritual sacrifice

i dont like him either but do you have a single fact to snack that up?

when will the pedophilia is bad meme die

he's telling christians living among pagans not to have anything to do with their religion. show me anything in the bible suggesting that different cultures/ethnicities shouldn't live side by side, especially if they were to convert to christianity.

2 Thessalonians 3:10 For even when we were with you, we would give you this command: If anyone is not willing to work, let him not eat

Why are you helping those who won't help themselves? A Christian does not help those who don't try to help themselves.

right, why didn't everyone just tech themselves latin. no problem.

strong argument. people have been executed for translating the bible. why did this happen if they weren't trying to prevent people from reading it?

lol, fag.

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Get gassed pedoshit

This entire post is a lie.

The only common knowledge is that Holla Forums has been caught attempting to D&C here by pretending to be Christians. There was a screenshot passed around wherein they talked about using the retarded, purely materialist heresy of Liberation Theology to paint Christians as marxists. Never mind that Marx was a hardcore atheist, that communists banned Christianity, massacred tens of millions of Eastern European Christians, turned churches into brothels, and that nothing in the Bible even agrees with Marx's philosophy (unless you consider things like voluntary donating to charity to be marxist). There's a reason why Christians overwhelmingly despise marxism and socialism, and it's not out of ignorance of the Bible.

/christian/ is also a dead board and most of its users flocked to /christ/ because of the horrid moderation.

The story of the Tower of Babel. Once upon a time there was a one-world government and a monocultural society ruled over by King Nimrod. This irritated God because his orders to Noah's children were to spread out and repopulate the Earth, not stay in one spot. God then destroyed this society and forcefully made the people separate from one another, creating the different nations and races.

Later, in Revelation, a one-world, multicultural government will be catalyst for Doomsday.

Something tells me God is not a fan of multiculturalism.

The selflessness was intended mostly for fellow brothers and sisters, not for strangers. Surprise, surprise, the churches have been infiltrated by kikes who push heresies that make the faith look stupid and turn people away from God.

get low birthrate'd, antipedo cuck

/christian/ is far more lively than /christ/
/christ/ is just for butthurt prots who are upset catholics are a majority
That and for commies to better subvert it

You do realize you can't produce a child with a child
Also, back to >>>Holla Forums

enjoy your tranny feminists, by 18 its too late.

Enjoy the rope

Both boards are bad anyway because the assumption behind them is that all the different branches of Christianity are equal.

It's nothing but heresy. Last time I went to /christian/ there were Jehovah's Witness and Mormon threads allowed. Might as well have a Muslim thread at that point, too.

Finally I got post ebin christian memes

Enjoy extinction

WHY DOESN'T HE MOURN THE CHRISTIANS BEING SLAUGHTERED AND RAPED WORLDWIDE?

It's a question of timing.

Actually, he is acting exactly as expected of a Jesuit Pope. Catholic Church has been attacked as the "evil" thing who enables "sins" that allow western world to survive for 50 years now. (since the 60s).

Now Church is acting "Good boy" like it was criticized not being by press for 50 years.

I still remember when they said Christianity was bad because it was too misoginistic and anti-egalitarian in gender relationships and everyone clapped.

See where this is going?

Sounds a lot like someone is "creating context"

goddammit

Christcucks are self-loathing subhumans. They should be genocided along with their Jewish chosen race tbh

This, but it is not much of a problem to them since nearly every christian is a brainwashed blockhead.

Fixed

Kill yourself.

If the Catholic Church could poison John Paul I, then why can't it do the same to Francis?

what animu is that on second pic

Catholic Church for 50 years was attacked for:
-not aproving of Feminism
-too intolerant with other religions such as Islam
-too authoritarian
-not aproving of casual sex
-being pro birth rates
-being pro-family

This is the "bad boy" face. Now it shows the "good boy" face.

Forgot to add, also criticized for not apologizing enough for things such as the Crusades.

With democratic audience voting and cheering for politicians who followed this speech.

Pope Cuckus I

And it cucked to all of them and has come to the realization that if they want to be relevant they have to capitulate to every liberal idea.

The church has been losing its power over the west for 200+ years though. It really didn't take much for them to just give up over the past 50 years. One who stands for nothing will fall to everything. That's your modern day "Church".

Here are the pics

Neither board is lively enough.

Hey, Christians on Holla Forums, please come back to /christian/

Do you get flustered when people call you a raging faggot too?

And they caved because they are cucks, as they always do. The majority of Catholics are shitlibs. Even the best of Catholics should be killed.

And what, pagans and atheists are capable of sustaining a society and fending of Muslims,

It's a hard thing for us to explain user. My faith became unwavering after I was sent a vision from God. I know it's pretty much impossible for to prove that but it is what it is.

I highly recommend going to church as a family, it'll do wonders for the upbringing of your kids. You may not currently adhere to the faith itself but the basic values Christianity instills is virtuous.

Church based Christianity relies too much on the quality of your pastor, I practice a very private faith. Involves alot of religious contemplation, discussion only with a couple of very close friends, prayer (don't get caught up in the Catholic style, it's just you talking to God).

Here's some things that I do to keep my faith unshakable.

Salvation is absolute but the walk is eternal. Just because you're questioning doesn't mean you're condemned.

If she was wearing a life jacket how did she drown?

CHECKMATE CHRISTCUCKS

That's funny, I thought that the Vatican-Romans were in alliance with the Talmudic Jews… Look at the Supreme Court of the United States, for example… It is entirely Judeo-Catholic.

No room for your stupid stuff, user.

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Yes. Some of the best nations at denying shitskins are majority atheist. Denmark, Estonia, Czech Republic.

Christians certainly cannot defend against Muslim invasion, looking at majority christian France, Ireland, etc.

Freemasonry trying to infiltrate and subvert the Vatican is exact proof that Catholicism is true

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It wasn't Freemasonry, it was kikes.

This pope is not a real pope.

He is a Jesuit aka the Jewish/ satanist side of the Vatican. They do the dirty work, and are never supposed to take leadership roles.

I have already shown you that Christianity is neither necessary nor sufficient for anti-immigration.

There just as many atheist nations that don't want them, and there are a good number of Christian nations that do, so kill yourself.

Christianity is, at best, completely irrelevant in the immigration issue.

And of course there is the example of the USA, filled to the brim with Christians and one of the most cucked places on earth.

that's pretty much the same thing, user.
Anyway Catholics always knew this time would come. The sinagogue of satan has been trying really hard in the 20th century.

Considering the apparition of Fatima happened in 1917, which further warned us about the events, it should all end in 2017. Hopefully.

without Christianity there is literally no moral basis to convince normies that immigration is bad. The real problem is that because of fedora faggots like you, people don't judge public life anymore through the lenses of their religious affiliation, but only through trash media and meme pop scientists who never did anything of worth for humanity
If it weren't for Christianity you would be speaking arabic right now
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Lepanto
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Vienna

Except, ya know, normal self interest. The only reason they accept immigration is because of liberal moralism that is just a leftover residue from christfaggotry. Once liberal moralism and christfaggotry have both run their course and died (looks to be happening quickly), things will be better.

And there is no true basis for morals in christcuckoldry either. It is based just as much on faith as any other moral system. Faith in Christ and faith in liberal humanism have exactly the same foundation, baseless belief. Once people abandon these unfounded beliefs and go with natural rational self interest, they will see that immigration is bad for them and their future.

I hate to ask in this thread, but does anyone have the "INOPERABLE" reaction image with the reddit alien growing on the guy's head?

?The only reason they accept immigration is because of liberal moralism that is just a leftover residue from christfaggotry
And still it's largely atheistic lefties that promote immigration and not Christian conservatives.

In reality, morality relies on goals. What is moral is simply what is the best course of action given the end goal. The only case where a "should" statement works is in relation to a goal.

If your goal is to drive a nail into a board, then you should use a hammer instead of a marshmallow. Moral statements are identical to this.

If you want to live, then you should eat sufficient calories.

If you want a well functioning society, then you should not support immigration from subhuman populations.

It is simple. This is real morality. First you need an end goal. For you, the end goal is to live in heaven with Rabbi Yeshua and his Jewish apostles for eternity, so you should follow the christfag religion. For people who don't have the end goal of living in a Jewish paradise, their actions will necessarily differ.

You make the mistake of thinking that Christians are all right wing. Many of them are lefties. In some places the majority are (including most priests, Cardinals, and the pope himself). And same with believing atheists are all left wing.

Nope. Just stating the fact that the vast majority of western/White conservatives are Christian while the vast majority of atheists are liberals.

Except that is completely wrong. Catholicism has a strict moral code. No hedonism, good of the collectivity rather than the good of the individual, being decente in the public sphere, etc. etc.
It is exactly after the religious practice was binned and individualism spread in the conscience of the masses that we started seeing liberalism. It all began with the Protestant Reformation: from that point on, everybody's interpretation of the Word of God was considered valid. God himself becamse relativ and open to interpretation. That is why there are tens of thousands protestant denominations nowadays. From then on it was all a slippery slope into interpreting the world around you and ultimately your identity itself as mere matters of interpretation, things you can mould into the reality you want and except others to enable your vision.

There is no greater basis for morals than God himself. His Word is unchangeable and unmovable. Why do you think the Church, even through all the infiltration of masons and infiltration of marxism in the western world, will never approve of degeneracy like gay marriage, divorce, abortion, etc. etc.? Because the doctrine and the dogma cannot be changed. There is no way to change christian morality, no matter how many hollywood movies you use to brainwash people. What has happened is that even though the Church has not changed its morality, people have, and therefore have abandoned the Church for other things, even though a certain number of them still call themselves Christians (and do so purely out of the reputation that being one gives of a person, as being pious and virtuous). Then they have started advocating for "muh rights" and other leftists ideologies as replacement for it, because they made them feel "good" and as if they were helping the community, but without all the guilt and the responbility and the struggle required by christian morals. The result? Destruction, of everything. What you fedoras will never understand is that God came to earth not to show off but to save us from ourselves. All civilizations, all cultures, all buildings fall sooner or later as they are governed by the impure, corrupt, fleeting minds and perceptions of men. Only a house built on truth revealed by God can stand. The Catholic Church is the oldest institution on the planet even through all its huge problems throughout history (look them up), and yet it still exists and is the biggest Church on earth, exactly because it is buil on divine truth and on God's promise that it won't perish until the end of times. Almost 2000 years user. Think about that.

wew, I made so many typos

And conservativism is worthless. Why is it worthless? Because most of them are Christcucks. I said right wing, not "conservatives." Real extreme right wing are majority atheist (and most resistance they receive comes from Christians even more than from the left).

These aren't atheists. They are post-Christian humanists. Huge difference. They are still clinging to the moral residue of a christcucked culture. Real atheists know that morality is not real. Fake atheists believe in this transcendent post-christian residue morality, which makes them de facto theists.

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Which, like I said, is based on faith just like any other moral system. It is just as baseless as liberal humanism. You have just as much reason to believe that christfag morality is real as.you do that liberal morality is real, i.e. no reason at all other than your own faith (your cowardly need to believe in some moral order).

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Just to show how badly christcuckoldry has damaged Europe, just realize that almost nobody would be willing to genocide all the shitskins in Europe. Why is this? Christcucked culture that has made them weak and unwilling to kill people.

Not at all. As I have already told you, the Word of God and the doctrine of the Catholic Church are set in stone. You cannot change them. Therefore, once you really believe, you have no way to subvert the ideas behind it.
Every belief system is ultimately an act of faith user, but it's one thing to have faith in earthly thing, a totally different matter to have faith in God. Who is to say what "national rational self interest" is? Everybody will have a different interpretation of that. It is a very empty category to put your trust into. It doesn't really mean anything. For instance in this moment we ourselves have totally opposing view of what the rational self interest would be for our countries. The difference is that if you started believing in God, our view would immediately align in 99% of issues, whereas if I started forming all my opinions on the grounds of "national rational self interest" all of them would be 99% different from those of you and everyone else around me.
An ultimate act of faith based on established premises, that you could very well define as dogma, is the only way to ensure a commonaity of intent in the individuals who are part of society. The most fervent Christian countries are the ones that colonized the world and made of Europe the pinnacle of civilization. This is history. I know for a fact that by sticking to the morals of the Church as defined by its doctrine and dogma I will share the same world view as those same people that shaped european culture and its dominance. You, on the other hand, with your atheism and liberalism of thought, can only be sure of thinking opposite to them, and alike to those whose actions anre rebellions brought us where we are today.
Denying this reality on the grounds of "muh feelings" because you don't want to believe in God and submit to a moral authority that is higher than your individual and individualist moral authority you created for yourself is not a good motivation, no matter how much you try to rationalize.
Ultimately, you are a right-winger who is still stuck in the thought pattern and opinion-building of leftists. Just like them you think you are going against "the establishment" (in an abstract and un-defined sense) and just like them you see yourself as a "progressive", i.e., as someone who is racing to a future of improvement that trumps all that is in the past and present. We have, on the other hand, to go back to the past, and abandon all the poison that has slowly deteriorated our society. Not racing to the finish line, but stop, go back, and restart from the beginning. The beginning that made us great, the beginning that gave meaning and shape to Europe. To God, to Christianity, to the Church, to religious morality as defined by its doctrine.

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and you think atheists and neopagans would be willing to commit genocide instead? Don't make me laugh

And your BELIEF that the church is true is just as baseless as the belief in equality of liberal humanism. Both are only belief, groundless faith.

Yes. Atheists are known for mass killing without remorse. See Soviet Russia that killed more than anyone else in history.

But I do agree on this. First thing is getting rid of the cancerous Jewish plague on Europe known as christcuckoldry. Then we return to try Roman values.

First of all I have already explaine the exceptional problems with the Vatican and where they come from here
Vatican II didn't change any dogma. It was a pastoral council. What they did was allowing a slightly different version of the mass. The mass is still valid but it's true that allowed abuses by ill-intentioned people.
Either way the latin mass in the pre-vatican II form (an updated latin mass was never abolished) has been re-allowed by Pope Benedict XVI.
The problem is that many people among the believers and sometimes even among some clergy in the West have been so contaminated by modernism, that sometimes they say or do something against dogma without even realising it is against dogma. Dogma though has not changed and never will. In fact, the new priests, the young ones, and even young believers, have rejected modernism and are orthodox as fuck. It is only the still alive baby boomers modernists and the middle-aged cafeteria catholics who still didn't get the memo to fuck off. Modernism in the Church is finished. Francis is the last attempt by modernists, they have no more shots left after he is gone. No wonder 2017 will be the year of the renaissance

So what is true then? I have already showed you that "rational self interest" is just as groundless as liberal humanism. So nothing is true and we should all kill yourself? Get real user.
Whether it is a belief or not is either way not important. What matters is the end result. You will never gather the european people and move their will without Christianity. It is the only objective reality of this world. Everything else is an opinion, cannot and will not be able to beat down liberalism and individualism.
Either way I am tired of throwing pearls at you. You simply spout the same stupid "le christcuck XDD" memes and think you are an intellectual for doing so. Either you are a shill or simply retarded tbh.

The good things in Roman values have been historically incorporated into Christian morality, so in the end we are saying the same thing. There is no cultural background for people to accept roman values. You canno just go to people and say "we roman now". They will never accept it. You are being ridiculous in your utopian fantasies. If you want people to accept roman values, your closest bet is to push them to Christianity

Those were not atheists. They were jews who had no guilt in killing goyim.

Thbc

Yes it did. Lumen Gentium is dogmatic and in contradiction to prior dogma of the church. Good job not knowing anything about your own church, faggot.

Nope, it didn't.

You never eve n read anything from second Vatican council, did you faggot? To think it is only a change in mass means you clearly didn't read anything.

This.
The first breaking point for Europe was the destruction of the best set of values ever made.

Disregard this, exodus acting up

I already gave an example. Show me how Lumen Gentium did not change any dogma. You didn't even read it because you're an illiterate Christcuck.

If ALL and ONLY Black countries in 1965 let hundreds of millions of non-Blacks into their countries and encouraged the non-Blacks to assimilate. Then 90 years later, Blacks are expected to be minorities in those countries; that's not done by accident. It's obviously a plan to wipe out the Black race. AKA genocide.

This is what's been done to my people, White people. It's genocide.

Enjoy you little boy kiddy fucking, fammo

the burden of proof is on you faggot. You said Lumen Gentium changed dogma even though the council officially and by definition was not a dogmatic one.
So you think dogma was changed but you don't even know which one? Fuck right off

yes mate, it's deliberate. The left knows this and openly admits it. What are you trying to do? Show them their hypocrisy? It has no effect on them. They've already come to the conclusion that whites deserve it because we're "oppressors".

Lumen Gentium is dogmatic. You clearly have not read it (I have, along with all the rest).

Rome grew indolent and degenerate and got cucked by savage immigrants. Even by your fedora logic, it is cucked and weak. Paganism is dead and gone, aspie, the delusions of larpagans notwithstanding.

Not do you even know what constitutes dogma. I am betting you are a convert.

By abandoning the Roman values. The values themselves are still the best in history. Contrast this with Christianity, where it was best when nobody even knew what the values in the Bible were, and degenerated as more people read it. Because Christian values are inherently degenerate, unlike Roman values (which they appropriated and which explains the initial virility of Christianity).

prove it then, it shouldn't be so hard

I see your knowledge on ancient Rome is based off of pop culture and middle school, noice. If anything that happened near its fall because they ignored said values

roman values include race-mixing, pedophilia, rampant corruption in politics. Are you ok with that?

Oh and just noticed

Guess this was bait then

[Citation needed]

seriously, nigger?

Because it is defined as dogmatic you retard. Same with Dei Verbum. These were the two dogmatic documents of the council.

Yes, I'm all ears

And furthermore, Dignitatis Humanae was not Pastoral.

nice circular reasoning, faggot. It is defined as dogmatic at all. If it does, you should be able to tell me which dogma and how, and yet here you are just saying "it is because I say so".

No it doesn't. Not originally. Originally, citizenship was only for Romans.

Incorrect.

Were you homeschooled?

It is a fucking dogmatic declaration, right in the title of the document you complete retard.

Furthermore, all of the second Vatican council has been spoken of as belonging to the (ordinary) magesterium by all subsequent Pope's, meaning it is considered infallible.

first of all, if you were rich you could easily but the citizenship no matter where you came from. Secondly, romans race-mixed widely. It is no accident that italians are so ethnically diverse nowadays.

Incorrect.

In later periods, sure, somewhat. After the initial values were lost.

Still waiting for proofs, faggot. There is no dogmatic declaration in any document of the Council. You are full of shit. Either prove your claims or shut your mouth instead of wasting my time

Wrong. What happens is that faggots like you call it dogmatic and reject it, whereas the Vatican says you cannot reject it because there is not fucking dogma it. You cannot reject something that does not exist.
Where no dogma is defined there is no dogma, therefore the Magisterium is not involved. Stop spouting stuff you know nothing about.

The stink of subversion here is so thick you can cut it with a knife.

I fail to see a single way out of the situation we are currently in that does not involve mass executions, tbh. Traitors, cowards and sellouts need to be hanged, both as a punishment and a warning to others.

And Italians had always been somewhat mixed with people from the Levant and middle east anyway (that is where agriculture came from, early European farmers being from the middle East).

Which is that? I know for sure that patriarch Kirill is a cuck, and maybe the patriarch from Serbia too (but evidence is less for him).

ascolutely correct, you idiot. Open some fucking book.

You are delusional. Romans even in the beginning mixed with Etruscans and other latins in the area. When Ceasar conquered Rome he made some gauls senators and introduced them into the high-class of Rome immediately. You are delusional and ignorant.

*conquered Gaul

Pederasty and sexual deviancy was hidden from the sight and wasn't normalized.
It was fetishistic in nature, abnormal and no one who ever practiced it dared to admit it.
Deviancies also broke the roman value of gravitas, which impacted the person's dignitas, needed in Rome.
TV shows and pop culture (the jew) have used the exceptions and turned them into a rule, part of making ourselves hate our heritage.

Regarding slaves, vae victis. It was common for them to have no rights as a person but they were generally treat well. Again, the jews call any sexual intercourse between master and slave as rape for the same reason as above.

Regarding race-mixing, even late in the empire it was mostly between whites (for the record, what is now Syria and shit like that used to ne white, even egyptian royalty was white. History was never whitewashed, it was shitwashed to hide all our accomplishments).

Georgia. The Patriarch's last lash-out at the parliament was at the anti-discrimination (=pro-faggot) bill discussion. He promised to excommunicate them if they pass it, but they passed it anyway. There was no reaction and he started preaching "love and tolerance" since then.
Now, I understand that the Patriarch is an old fart who can barely speak, but whoever stands behind him probably had a "conversation" with our traitorous government.

Oh, and Martialis' writing is comparable to our soft smut writers. Try to guess why universities use him to teach latin.

Dude, you are an idiot. Lumen Gentium is a dogmatic Constitution of the church. It is on the same level as the dogmatic Constitution on the Catholic faith from the first Vatican council. In fact, both Lumen Gentium and Dei Verbum were claimed ro be continuation of the first Vatican council.

not true. It was considered manly and most men did it.
wrong
It wasn't considered a deviancy, so argument invalid
Has nothing to do with the topic. Romans didn't have the TV
Irrelevant to the argument, although if you think there was never abuse you are simply delusional.
No relevance whatsoever. We are not talking about the past but the present.
Absolutely wrong. Romans had a hard on for north africa and the middle east, whereas they saw north european as literal uncivilized niggers. Roman history and events show this, and in fact in the late time of the Empire the capital was moved to the East.
Nordicists are just as bad as afrocentrists

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Paul was a purebred Judean Jew and he claimed Roman citizenship.

are you implying that they were "similar"? Does not matter, they were different peoples. I was just pointing out that Rome always chose to race-mix instead of killing their opponents and then repopulating with their own. Even at the beginning of the Republic.

North Africa was fairly white at the time. See Berbers (who are often still white). Close enough race that I would not consider it race mixing.

I don't know what would constitute proof for you if you don't believe the damn title of the two documents in question. Or the fact that they are referred as infallible by every Pope since.

There is nothing about the title "Lumen Gentium" that denotes dogma, user.
The word "dogma" itself is literally nowhere to be found. All you have proven me is that you have literally no idea of what you are talking about. You have zero evidence of what you are saying and are incapable of providing it even though you act is there is a lot of it. You are totally wrong, and probably ignorant on the subject.

Again, unsubstantiated claims. Popes, even if they wanted to, cannot refer to the council as infallible, because there is no dogma in it. It was a pastoral council: pastoral stuff is not part of Church dogma.

What the fuck.
But we do, you fucking retard. The problem lies with what we're told, not what actually happened.
The irony is that the jew did the same thing to roman history as they did to WW2 history and yet you're here, on fucking Holla Forums, parroting wikipedia to someone who has read the few sources we have and is skeptical about how the romans are represented.

I said generally, not always. Fucking hell.
What? I don't even know what you mean here. We are talking about the past and how we view it because of other past and present fuckery.

They didn't have a cultural hardon for it, it had the most fertile lands. A roman has to be pragmatic. And Tacitus even calls the north europeans as pure in Germania, that's why the SS is said to have tried to find the Codex Aesinas

White is more than blonde and blue eyes. I said white, not aryan. And we're even starting to have genetic proof. Romans ranged from dark brown hair and brown eyes to darker blonde and blue eyes. No light blondes though, usually.

And do you want motive for the actions of the jew? Rome fucking razed their main temple in Judea as retribution for them being parasites

So what? we are not talking about the present
if you think there is a huge history conspiracies about the customs and practices of the romans you are literally retarded
Sorry but your persecution complex does not denote any kind of evidence. I have no problem blaming jews when the blame is due, but simply dismissing everything you don't like as a conspiracy plot is a very illogical and frankly childish way of thinking.
Fair enough, then I agree with you
Economic success and cultural prestige go hand in hand. If the East was the most prosper and fertile, there is no doubt the Romans preferred it and race-mixed with the local population. Don't forget they were also culturally vibrant. The fact that the romans were pragmatic furthermore leads to such a conclusion.
That's some hardcore cherrypicking. The general consensus about north europeans was that they were uncivilized, aggressive and unintelligent. The fact that they didn't demonize them as the devil and also saw some quality in them does not change this fact in the slightest.
Never said otherwise
Italians still do. That does not mean Romans weren't into race-mixing.

I didn't say I need a motive, I said I need evidence.
If their motivation is so great, you should be able to find proof of their manipulations quite easily either way. Instead you just dismiss what we know about the Romans because it hurts your feelings. Even from a logical point of view, seeing as nowadays nobody gives a shit about Rome anymore, certainly not to justify their cultural values and historical opinions, they wouldn't have much reason to keep distroting the truth about it.

The whole title is "Lumen gentium, the Dogmatic Constitution on the Church," which you would know if you knew what you were talking about or were even familiar with the document in question, which it is clear you are not in either case.

And it is not the council I am referring to, but the specific documents produced there.

I'm gonna get some rest but I'll bookmark the thread to keep this going.

Still waiting for you to point out which dogma was changed. Until then nothing you say matters at all.

I am going to go too. Sorry if I came out a bit smug. I love Rome too, just trying to be objective.

KEK

So the "Spanish rescuer" pulled the life jacket off a drowning little girl?

Simple. Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus was changed.

I've been wanting to say this for a while

The reason "Christcuck" D+C shills are so effective is because we actually can't tell if an user is a shill or just a "true believer". The content is identical. That's how fucked your religion has become.

It's like you don't even into self-realization. It's like you need to follow what has been old to you by ancient semites. It's like you can't into a religion we created/rediscovered/revitalized.

PRAISE KEK

protestants are equally bad to atheists

I've been wanting to say this for a while

The reason "LARPagan" D+C shills are so effective is because we actually can't tell if an user is a shill or just a "true believer". The content is identical. That's how fucked your religion has become.

It's like you don't even into self-realization. It's like you need to follow what has been old to you by ancient druids. It's like you can't into a religion that united the western world.

PRAISE GOD

whats it like to know that you will never no matter how hard you try be as infallible as catholic doctrine? whats it like to know that eventually you will look back at this period of your life and cringe greatly?

Just not for white people.

Tell that to all of the french people massacred by ISIS at that one theater.

:^^^^^^^^^) you cant escape it

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France and Ireland are not Protestant, retard.

Balkans are packed with shitskins, Russia is like 60% not white, Greece is cucked, etc.

Face it, there is no connection between Christianity and resistance to immigration. You have Poland and that is it. But that is because they are Poles more than because they are Christfags.

I have already given ample proof in this topic that the Catholic Church is cucked and not infallible.

Nice pasta
It was mine

Kek rises both above and below you

KEK RISES

I really fucking hate this piece of shit.

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Paganism is based on finding truth through introspection, meditation, and real spiritual practices.

Christianity is based on reading Jewish fairy tales and believing they literally happened.

*tips Dawkins book

M'professor

You wouldn't trust a Jew to run your government, would you? So why do you trust one to run your religion?

Okay, I'm back.

What I mean by we do is that we're fed lies by the talmudvision

I don't consider subversion a huge conspiracy, jews have been doing it for ages and we know it.

Okay, I understand you want evidence but the only thing I can give you is the name of all the historians of the era (around Rome so romans, greeks, hellenics, egyptians and the like) and you'd have to spend months reading everything.
I've been doing this for 3 years and I still don't understand a lot of things, it's just enough to know that things aren't what they seem, and to make some educated guesses here and there.
If you're interested then you'll have to read all of it, then I can advise you to look into roman elegies since they are fun and interesting ways to sometimes describe life in Rome (Ovid's elegies more than Martialis).
What I can say is that Rome dealt an incredible blow to the jews during the first jewish-roman war which gives them a reason for them to be their horrible selves. They have the motive.
Through their control in the future they'll have the means and opportunity.
And what better way is there to subvert western civilization than to damage the values that created it and were also adopted by one of their direct splinter factions (christians) around 150AD?
Christianity adopted roman values, europagan customs and solidified its power in Europe but it had the jewish backdoor which ruined everything for everyone all over again.

I find it hard to understand how you can take religious argument on faith but you can't even give the benefit of the doubt to something that just seems like 2+2.

The eastern lands and northern Africa was incredibly rich but the reason why the emperor moved seats was so he could be near the warring legions that protected the eastern front (part of pragmatism or military strategy), which also led to Rome only being symbolic.
We can argue that this was a big issue since it meant the dilution of roman values.

Regarding race-mixing, in this era there are pretty much no shitskins in the zone, the persians before this were just a slight shade more golden skinned than your average white person (educated guess originated from art and recent genetic findings regarding the people living in around the Mediterranean) and there was one clear military power that couldn't be denied.
Northern Africa was almost the same too, pretty much everyone around this sea resembles eachother, it was a civilized sea after all.
I don't mean they're aryan (the same way there are differences even in the aryan phenotype since there's the more continental germanic and the northern one) but they not shitskins or niggers.
I'll even go as far as saying that egyptians still hold some of their previous traits even after a millennium of mudslime occupation (which they still managed to resist slightly because they've been everyone's bitch seen the Persian Empire conquered them so they're used to not being much of a threat).

Like I said above I don't think you're being fair by calling Tacitus a simple cherrypick but I understand what you mean.
Regarding who was civilized: only Rome is civilized because it is THE CITY, and its people possess civilitas.
They even considered Egyptians (who are millennia older than romans) uncivilized.
Aggressive, yes. They had some reason to, they frequently raided roman (territory) villages so they were aggressive by definition.
Unintelligent I can argue against it, it depends on the era and the source. But I'm at fault here since I can't remember specific sources so I'll refrain from arguing.
One thing to note is that Gaulese, Germanic and Britannian fashion and looks became popular in Rome too (around the time of Tacitus and even after that): slaves from there were more expensive, women wanted to look like northern europeans because of lighter skin and natural red/blonde hair

Don't care if you're smug, we're on Holla Forums, we can deal with it. And it's not that I love Rome, which I do, it's that I find them to be the structure of western society because of their values (humanitas, disciplina, dignitas, gravitas, iustitia, industria, etc) and now people don't even care about pretending to be virtuous, much less actually be virtuous.
And core male values like severitas, virtus and firmitas are bashed to hell and back.
We're destroying what our ancestors fought for and we don't have that right, it's not ours to destroy because we didn't create it.
Where would we be without greek thought and roman values? Are they really an evil we must extinguish? I don't think so.

And I got a question? If I understand correctly you're religious and you probably believe in an objective, universal morality.
Now, roman values which are more ancient than christianity are not just similar but pretty much the same as early christian values (which I argue were adopted from the romans as christians adapted).
Why is it hard to consider that humans created a core set of values that, even though they're subjective, they're universally good in our own perspective?
If anything, I think it's more laudable to be able to create such a good concept of morality as a flawed human and follow it out of free will, with no strings attached (like a true, virtuous person should do), than to be bound by an idea of godly morality where there is a punishment or reward. Through admitting nihilism we find a goal within ourselves and we stick to it, we make our own meaning in life.

I know you can't answer for everyone but I've been meaning to ask this and the religious people I know read the cliff notes of the bible and think the pope is doing fine even though I point out that he's undermining the church.

this is a very important survey. please take
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The poop is a perfect representation of your church.

I guess he would be, yes. But even as an agnostic atheist I can't help but feel that it was the christian church that mantained the roman values and that she's part of western civilization, even if it's about Zeus, his shiskebabed son and a dove.

Yes, a heretical part, as the Vatican has been heritical for hundreds of years at this point. Did you even wonder why the white race flourished in the United States and Canada, while it browned out in Latin America, and as more Vatican-Romans arrived at Ellis Island and skewed the percentage in the United States, the United States herself is beginning to brown out, too?

It's because of heretical interpretations and even inventions of Christian doctrine by the religion at fault.

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Are you saying the heretical part maintained roman values or that it broke apart and ignored them?

Cause no matter which branch it is it's still western, but I'll add that catholicism was the branch that strayed too far from the core roman values while the orthodoxy tried to maintain them to a certain extent.

The religion that settled U.S. and Canada is orthodox and Catholic (capitalise them or don't). I don't think that the Vatican religion is of value to Romans or otherwise.

It has no values anymore, it's just a tool for globalization, apparently.

If you don't like believing in God user., then you should at least be a secular person that stays away from Humanism, the philosophy which destroyed the Vatican's link with Jesus Christ.

Globalisation is the putting into practice of the values of Humanism, because it means that somebody far away can rule you because you're worth the same to somebody whether you are far away or nearby. This leads to unhappiness and evil, but there is no room allowed for complaining because everyone is equal "we're all Human" - Humanism.

It's not about liking, it's about seeing a point. Not a statement, just defaulting on belief. I like to affirm my morality though.

And no, fuck humanism, we're all different from the get go and should be treated differently. We might be of the same species but we are of different races. You don't train different breeds of dogs the same way.

Going to Hell forever to be punished after you die seems pretty well meaningful to me, I was only making light of your unbelief of course, user.

Moving on, can someone please kill this cunt already, I can't handle this humiliation much more. He's literally the worst Pope I've ever seen and we've had some fucking shitty POpes.

Iron Pill includes references to Christian mythology and culture.

In fact in whatever semblance of "canon" a meme webcomic about the bastard child of /fit/ and Holla Forums can have, Iron Pill's strongest demonstration of power (that almost got him killed jk bro he's mary sue as fuck) was Christian related

…so yeah

Ecumenism is part of the "tolerance" movement.

And your consternation about your pet-peeve does not change anything about the issue, user.

Don't see a point in believing in hell either so I default to the natural state of unbelief.

And, truth be told, I'd rather be a virtuous person out of free will than coercion.

In your opinion, unbelief is the natural state, user.

Not an opinion, it's philosophical logic.

First we define the premises:
The natural, primal state possesses only instinct, intellectual potential but no knowledge.
Knowledge of gods is, well, knowledge.
Knowledge can be shared.
Intellectual potential is not shareable, neither is instinct.
Now we can move on to the next part.

If you don't know about the gods then you can't believe in them so you're in a state of unbelief (involuntary), therefore unbelief is the natural state.
Believing in the existence of something is one intellectual process away from unbelief.
Believing in the nonexistence of something is also one process away from unbelief.
If you have the knowledge of gods but still remain an unbeliever then the only difference is that it's voluntary.

Simple Aristotelian logic.

In your opinion, it's philosophical logic.

Also, user., you shouldn't bump if you're going off-topic…

Suuuure, whatever floats your boat

And christfaggotry did not save them, proving my point.

In fact, it is what weakened them enough that they could be overtaken by modernist ideologies.

And like I said earlier, it is not that they forgot Christian values, it is that they truly discovered then for the first time. As soon as normal people could understand the Bible is when that all happened. It is the exact opposite of the dexay of Romans or Greeks for example. They forgot their values, whereas Christians discovered them and decayed as a result.

Correct. Pope Francis is actually a perfect Catholic.

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Putting faith before everything, even your own blood and kin, is the definition of cuckold. I don't care if you cunts call me a shill, fedora or LARP, I don't give a fuck, but that's the cold truth.

When you put any god, even a non-foreign one, before your blood and your people, that's when your society starts to fall.

And I won't even begin with christianity advocating for civilization. And we all know what kind of parasite comes with it

[i]In hoc signo vinces.[/i]

*tips Dawkins book

M'professor.

Jews invented Christianity, which is a continuation of the Jewish god, to lord it over the goyim who believe it.

Dawkins is a progressive humanist liberal, therefore a theist. Belief in some transcendent moral principles is de facto theism.

And yet here you are putting your pagan faith before your kin.

Why do fedora's insist on putting out of context quotes into their maymays?
I'm not sure if they're a bunch of ignorant faggots who've not read the bible, or if they have done so and are trying to misguide people.

Fedoras are more interested in proving a false point, gradually making you impatiently tired because you're constantly correcting errors for them. They only have the intention of malice and mockery, never insight and logic. This is why Proverbs 26:4-5 tells you never to engage with them. They waste your time and drag you down.

If they had any shred of integrity or rationality in them, then they wouldn't be anti-theists at all. Every answer is sensibly provided for them in the Bible, but they choose not to use basic literacy skills and play dumb when it comes to a 2000 year old book.

Lol wut nigga? Where?

If you're talking about the rune, the Othal literally means "bloodline and soil".

psalm 33:12 Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord; and the people whom he hath chosen for his own inheritance.

nation = race

acts 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;

THE BOUNDS OF THEIR HABITATION

heh.

i remember looking out my window in a thunder storm. i remember thinking it would be cool if a lightning struck right in front of me. i cant remember if i was thinking specifically of God.

but it happened.

maybe a fluke, maybe not. but it cemented my faith.

ive had a few of these occurances happen in my life time.

catholicism is wrong.

this "prophecy" is D&C

the "true" catholics who see something is wrong will see the prophecy as true (even though its bs). the liberal catholics wont care because they are deceived already.