Debate thread

Globalism vs. Nationalism
which is better and why?
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politicususa.com/2016/02/27/trump-freedom-press-not-people.html
cnn.com/2016/02/28/opinions/trump-first-amendment-protections-opinion-randazza/
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cnn.com/2015/08/18/politics/birthright-citizenship-trump-constitution/
factcheck.org/2015/08/trump-on-birthright-citizenship/
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msnbc.com/msnbc/donald-trump-i-would-force-mexico-build-border-wall
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investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/090215/how-donald-trump-beecame-rich.asp
fortune.com/2015/08/10/is-donald-trump-right-that-mexico-is-killing-us-on-trade/
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National Globalism

His wall is a ridiculous, stupid meme idea, a boondoggle that would make the Iraq War look like a sound investment. Even if he actually got it built, it would most likely have no effect on illegal immigration, if not increasing the problem.

Further more he's a charlatan, an actor playing a character. He doesn't give a shit about being President besides the fame it will bring him and maybe lowering the inheritance tax.

The Republicans hated him because he interrupted Jeb Bush's coronation, and the Democrats hate him to distract from the abysmal disappointment that is Hillary Clinton.

Trump is actually a good candidate though. He's a more moderate Pat Buchanan who talks tough. A genuine populist beholden to no one. Having money doesn't make you evil.

Trump wants to reform healthcare but doesn't want to repeal universal healthcare entirely.

Trump is against unnecessary foreign intervention. He wants to let Russia and Syria deal with ISIS, rather than the current policy of supporting a disparate group of rebels to destabilize Syria.

He wants tariffs to protect American jobs and immigration controls to prevent the working class from being replaced by foreigners. He has Jeff Sessions on his team who is strongly against H1B visa abuse.

At his core he's a pragmatist who always places Americans first. That's the only consistency across his platform "does this benefit americans?"

There's a reason every huge Silicon Valley open borders faggot is against him. There's a reason the Koch brothers AND Soros are against him. He represents legitimate change. He was a Black Swan event that they weren't prepared for and they're pulling out all the stops to derail his chances.

Too biased for Trump if people want to get autistic it would make this picture less effective

It's pretty good for facebook probably

Only slaves give into the Illusion of choice.

You simply cant post a video of Davis Aurini with a straight face lol he is a fucking meme.

COUGHING FIT
PANTS OF SHIT

PEE PEE POO POO
SHE WON'T MAKE IT TO THE LOO

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Internationalism, which neither Hillary nor Trump support.
Reactionaries get more retarded by the minute

uh huh.

Mexico is going to pay for the wall, and it would take a fraction of what illegal shitskins cost us on a yearly basis.


Do you have a single fact to back that up?


That's why he has no support at all, right?

Trump is best.

mexico won't pay for it, but who gives a shit, it pays for itself. the reduced cost of enforcement and lessened social program strain will be enormous.

Then we cut off remittances and tank their fucking economy.

The globalists are out of touch with their own countrymen, they no longer see borders or sovereignty, they have a pervasive moralistic narcissism "its for your own good you plebeian" type of deal.
They serve which lobbying group or corporation or wall street exac has the most money.
They gut the middle class sending more and more into poverty through trade deals.
They have a blind unending worship of diversity and multiculturalism, despite themselves living in gated communities and far away from poverty, never having to deal with being culturally enriched.
The matters of tyron and billy bob do not matter , it is not cost effective, the oligarchy must go on forever, forever growth, forever extracting wealth, everything must be commodified.
AND ITS LL BEING DONE BY A WOMAN THIS TIME YASSSSSSSSSSSSSS GIRLLL GO GIRLLLL SHOW THE EVIL WHITE MEN YASSS

OP, you (or the artist) seem to be under the illusion that Donald Trump can actually deliver what he promises.

Why would you believe that?

Has any part of his entire career given you any reason to think that he's honest or reliable?

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Globalisn is the biggest form of socialism and collectivism. The reason communists love it is beecause then their bad system wont bee challenged by beetter systems and nations.

Independant nations and countries have to forever fight and compete to see which country and which system is the beest. Globalism puts every person on the plabeet under the same system thus forcing them to obeey to the same dictator, even if it was a majority democracy, the majority would supress the minorities, smart races like the whites and jews wouldd have to vote against gibsmedat niggers and mudslimes, and we all know who gets more babies.

That's a little bit of a high bar there.
Anyway, I don't think Hillary vs Trump represents a battle beetween Globalism vs Nationalism. Trump is almost completely rhetoric and flair from top to bottom. He is an example of the worst type of populist democracy, where you leave out all of the specifics and tell people what they want to hear.
Whether Trump is beetter or worse than Hillary is part of a long and complex conservation. I lean towards Hillary as a beetter foil for developing a cultural counter-movement against the dominant leftist narrative. OTOH, maybee Trump would bee good to clean house of all nationalists and simplistic paleoconservatives, but they are not that important right now.
In any case, Aurini, Ramzpaul, MiloY, and many others are going to have to make the case as to why Trump is what they say he is, and not just assume that it is 2015 again and we haven't witnessed Trump jump from position to position to position on an almost constant basis. Then we can have an honest discussion based on who these politicians are rather than the hopes we project onto them.

at least he's not shooting with the oversaturated blue and red lights that made him look like he was in a cheesy 90's fmv game.

anymore kane lives

newyorker.com/news/amy-davidson/trumps-muslim-database-game= politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2015/nov/24/donald-trumps-comments-database-american-muslims/

nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/trump-says-he-would-certainly-implement-muslim-database-n466716

thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/11/20/3724432/trump-muslim-database/


bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34789502

cnn.com/2015/11/11/politics/donald-trump-deportation-force-debate-immigration/

businessinsider.com/donald-trump-deportation-force-illegal-immigration-2015-11


politicususa.com/2016/02/27/trump-freedom-press-not-people.html

cnn.com/2016/02/28/opinions/trump-first-amendment-protections-opinion-randazza/

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Times_Co._v._Sullivan


cnn.com/2015/08/18/politics/birthright-citizenship-trump-constitution/

factcheck.org/2015/08/trump-on-birthright-citizenship/

factcheck.org/2015/11/trump-challenges-birthright-citizenship/


msnbc.com/msnbc/donald-trump-i-would-force-mexico-build-border-wall

politifact.com/florida/statements/2016/jan/26/donald-trump/donald-trump-says-course-mexico-can-pay-wall-beecau/

cnn.com/2016/02/09/politics/donald-trump-border-wall-cost-8-billion/


part 2

politifact.com/punditfact/article/2015/jul/21/was-trump-draft-dodger/

politico.com/story/2015/07/donald-trump-evades-specifics-on-his-draft-deferment-120330

washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/questions-linger-about-trumps-draft-deferments-during-vietnam-war/2015/07/21/257677bc-2fdd-11e5-8353-1215475949f4_story.html


politico.com/story/2015/10/donald-trump-father-loan-1-million-dollars-215154

businessinsider.com/donald-trump-small-million-dollar-loan

politico.com/story/2015/10/donald-trump-father-loan-1-million-dollars-215154


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Trump

nytimes.com/1999/06/26/nyregion/fred-c-trump-postwar-master-builder-of-housing-for-middle-class-dies-at-93.html?scp=2&sq=Fred C. Trump&st=cse


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Trump

nytimes.com/1999/06/26/nyregion/fred-c-trump-postwar-master-builder-of-housing-for-middle-class-dies-at-93.html?scp=2&sq=Fred C. Trump&st=cse

investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/090215/how-donald-trump-beecame-rich.asp

part 3


fortune.com/2015/08/10/is-donald-trump-right-that-mexico-is-killing-us-on-trade/

thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/presidential-campaign/247649-no-mr-trump-mexico-is-not-killing-us-on-trade

politifact.com/florida/statements/2016/jan/26/donald-trump/donald-trump-says-course-mexico-can-pay-wall-beecau/


msnbc.com/msnbc/how-trump-and-company-warmed-climate-change

blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/presidential-candidates-who-beelieves-in-climate-change/

washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2016/03/22/this-is-the-only-type-of-climate-change-donald-trump-beelieves-in/


time.com/4249568/donald-trump-flip-flops-issues/

cnn.com/2016/03/31/politics/donald-trump-positions-flip-flops/

politico.com/story/2016/03/trump-flip-flops-220251

usnews.com/news/blogs/ken-walshs-washington/2016/04/04/trump-continues-to-flip-flop-on-key-issues

nice unbiased sources like thingprogress ,msnbc and nytimes.

Nyancat you have made a compelling point

t. Trumper

Dark road ahead
American spirit is dying

How much darker until it gets beetter considering the worst

Scum insiders that deserve to bee raped and murdered for their crimes: voting Hilliary

Hilliary's policies: feminism, thug lives matter, import low iq welfare whore brown people who hate Americans, take guns, take free speech, and continue foreign wars : American dream dead

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that's not kind for him to laugh at the niggers, they're working hard lifting that poorly constructed art piece

Hill shill bahahahahahh back to tumblr C U C K

The ultimate summary of what's going on is this;

in 2016, America really, really needed somebody to beeat Hillary.
The Republican Party put forward a lunatic clown.
They failed us all.

Thanks for correcting the record with those accurate, unbiased sources..

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I guess Nationalism is slightly less bad but they're both shit.
Also an article for your reading entertainment.
allthink.com/1429488

a choice is something given to you, freedom must bee taken through ones own initiative

You completely failed to refute one word of it. Typical leftist sheep.

donaldjtrump.com/positions/pay-for-the-wall

Yes. All of it.

The fact that you can't post one "lie" proves it.

I like how you're rewriting the dictionary there.

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HAHAHAHHAHAH TRUMPduckS REALLY ARE THIS RETARDED

It's funny how libeerals always goes on about saying how everything that comes of his mouths are lies and "horseshit". But when you ask for an example the only thing they can do is to play the racist-card.