If you think you do, try this exercise. Sit down, close your eyes, and stop thinking for 2minutes. Let no thoughts enter your mind.
You can't do it. So how can you say you have free-will if you can't even control your thoughts.
Next try this, lift your arm up and put it down. Explain how you do this, step by step. You don't even know lmfao, it just happens and as it happens you get a "feeling" of control.
Check mate
Jaxon Hughes
The uncertainty principle dictates we do have some level of free will
/thread
Oliver Kelly
that only applies to taking measurements of atomic particles, has nothing to do with macro level phenomena.
free-will is binary, you either have it or you don't.
Matthew Davis
Wrong, it implies all particles in the universe have a zero-point energy and this is why they cannot be directly observed. Stephen Hawking believes this is why parallel dimensions must exist
Carson Cooper
I didn't raise my arm. Hence I have free-will
Checkmate Tumblr.
Aaron Wilson
doesn't contradict what i said… i think you missed the point
Jordan Lewis
free-will is tumblr tier you don't even know how you lift your arm or form a thought
uncertainty principle is misleading you with it's name lol. it doesn't imply that all forms of knowledge are uncertain, even if it did, such a conclusion would be self-defeating and meaningless
Camden Perry
Nice false premise.
Owen Jenkins
Do this: grab a brick. Now hit yourself on the back just bellow the skull. Oh shit, you can't move your arms? Fuck, must be the little things that connect your brain to the arms themselves.
Luis Scott
What's your definition of free will?
Ian White
Neophytes. (that's occult slang for newfags).
Justin White
According to OP, you only have free will if you're a God and there's no human impossibility in your way. Super baity shitty uncle thread basically
Dylan Wright
WTF. I wrote uncle. Whatever
Bentley Bailey
Nevermind, new filter. At least I got dubs.
Nolan Phillips
what's the uncle for? cat's cradle?
Luis Lopez
nevermind, got it
Oliver Torres
tr-oll
Tyler Kelly
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Aaron Watson
Good for you, bro.
Grayson Foster
This is a cat's cradle thread?
Joseph Nelson
OP, you have to clarify what you mean by free will. Even if I can't clear my mind for 2 minutes, that doesn't negate free will. I can't jump 10 metres in the air, does that mean that I don't have free will, since I don't have the freedom to do that?
I can do whatever I will. But what I will is not conuncled by me. I can choose to buy ice cream, because I want to. But I can't choose to not want to buy ice cream. Even if I could choose, it would expose an underlying will (to want to "not want to buy ice cream"). What is the basis for this underlying will?
We are set in our ways, not in a "mean people can't turn into nice people" way, but in a predestined "the same personality, exposed to the same stimulus, will react the same way every time". You can see it in people with short term memory loss having the same conversation over and over.
Quantum bullshit doesn't have anything to do with free will. If I roll a dice to decide my action, that doesn't give me any more free will than if someone else was to decide. If neurons in my brain roll a dice to decide my action, my will isn't more free, it's outsourced to the dice.
Brandon Harris
wew
Kayden Gray
We do have free will because we're in a computer simulation. If our actions were conuncled then what would be the purpose of a simulation? Think a little idiot. This test is being run, and our free will determines the course and conclusion. If you don't think you have free will, then go buy a gun and shoot yourself. If you're being conuncled you wouldn't be able to do it, yet it happens all the time to people in their right mind who realize they've lost the game and want to abort the simulation.
Furthermore, assuming we lack free will, who then do you suggest really controls us? You might say, 'your unconscious controls you', but is our unconscious not a part of us? If our unconscious controls us, and it is a part of us, then we are still in control. Do you believe in divine destiny? Is destiny not itself simply a prediction of future events from a higher perspective? Destiny has no control over will, only knowledge of it. Do you believe god controls us? Why would god make us then in the first place, if he were omnipotent, what use would he have of puppets, rather he would have use of entertainment.
Joseph Bailey
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Brandon Miller
kek hell, people can't clear their minds for 20 seconds, let alone 2 minutes
Luis Evans
Brain neurons signals tense arm movement done.
Leo White
you might as well describe what happens atomically when you lift your arm
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Andrew Rodriguez
OP free will isn't an all or nothing proposition.
Just because you can't control motor functions at a micro level doesn't mean you have no control, you have some control.
No you can't stop your heart just by thinking about it, but you can sure as shit toss yourself off a building with the end result being [your heart = stopped]. I would argue that gives you more free will than not.
Free will is a human construct not an immutable, fundamental law of the universe.
Luke Hughes
yes all that happens without you knowing how or why lol
Christopher Scott
yep.
Connor Fisher
if you can't control your own thoughts and your own arms and legs, what kind of free-will do you imagine you have?
how do you lift an arm? you don't even know. If some kid asks you "wow how do you do that, tell me so I can try" you would shit your pants
Ian Clark
because I don't personally know doesn't mean others wont
Jonathan Harris
it is called spacing out, and I do it all the time
Cooper Gutierrez
Describing the electrical and chemical processes associated with your brain sending a signal to the muscles in your arm isn't proof of free will.
Your logic is silly, college freshman year psuedo-philosophy.
Jack Sullivan
the chemistry of it is irrelevant, no one moves their arm around by consciously doing chemistry or physics.
just like your hair growing or heart beating. the feeling of control is an illusion
Carter Johnson
knowledge of chemistry is irrelevant, see
I'm talking about it subjectively, people don't know how they move their limbs around, "they just do it" — aka it "just happens" and it feels like they are in control.
similar if you meditate for a few minutes you realize you aren't even thinking thoughts, they just come and go on their own
William Peterson
OP is a fag
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Bentley Hall
I'm talking about it subjectively, people don't know how they move their limbs around, how their thoughts form, how their choices are made == "they just do it" — aka it "just happens" and it feels like they are in control.
Ethan Edwards
porn is so boring lol, are u a kid or something? get a hobby
Andrew King
I choose not to.
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Jace Richardson
you were determined to.
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Daniel Martin
mindfulness
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Logan Ross
does anyone know what kind of camera was used to film this?
Thomas Bailey
false dilemma fallacy
Jonathan Cox
you don't know how fallacies work
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Chase Cooper
I mean, you could stop thinking, if you were serious about it. Meditation and shit.
Jonathan Powell
Fuck off, you novice.
Jordan Adams
someone give me sauce on that asian qt reading leviathan
Jose Nguyen
Wow the dumbassery in this thread is over 9000! Faggots talking about brain chemistry and shit. FYI OP, free will is merely the ability of the mind to choose right from wrong. It's a moral/ethical concept. If I can't make myself fly that doesn't mean I don't have free will. It just means I can't fly. Nothing to do with morality.
Genius simplify things, idiots make them complicated.
tfw you use a hundred "big" words and don't actually say a single thing worthwhile.
Jaxson Hughes
It doesn't, it just also has fuck all to do with what he said too.
Daniel Diaz
Nikon AWS 110
Dylan Powell
As a frequent meditator, I find two minutes to be pretty easy. Try doing it for hours at a time on retreat.
Josiah Price
FREE WILL!
Adam Allen
get it? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Gavin Walker
sweet, thanks bro
Ryder Davis
A good way to prove free will is not to try and figure out if you have free will or not, but to see if you can have less free will, because that's only possible if you have free will to lose.
And, as it turns out, it's entirely possible. Back when I was into more occult play with my own mind, I could do all sorts of stuff with far less conscious input than normal, from walking to creative thinking.
Once tried to see if I could permanently reduce conscious thought since it was inferior to subconscious thought, but that backfired because my subconscious didn't want to take on that role and I lost my subconscious skillset for several months.
Carson Sanchez
Muscles do not go limp by force, the brain may be the same. Also, I am not a neurologist, and those aspects of my body, I am not consciously aware of.
Neither of these have to do with free will, macrocosmicly that is. Though if we feel that control is inherent to our biology, then it exist as such. So free will exists, and ignoring it is not really something you can do unless your planning to be seriously delirious.
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Brody Perry
free will was invented by God, so it is real, but God created it so God is the boss of it.
Oliver Young
that's called meditation
you just need some practice at it, friend
Sure, I can. I decide that I want to move it, and my motor neurons fulfill this request. As a longtime sufferer of severe depression, I am quite familiar with the experience/sensation of wanting to do things that my body flatly refuses to get around to. I'm not my body. I'm not even my brain, or not the whole thing anyway. I am an observer and decision-maker at the center of my thought processes, the CPU which handles all the sensory and emotional data the other parts pass to me.
Christopher Davis
Got ourselves a theologian over here fellahs!
Gavin Cooper
no
Jaxon Edwards
I declare the original poster of this thread be deemed a faggot.
Christian Harris
I second this bowel motion. Carried.
Justin Campbell
Don't know if other people have corrected this bullshit/possible bait, but if they haven't: It's already been pointed out that practiced meditators can do this. Regardless, not having full control over your cognition in ONE way doesn't mean you have no control over your thoughts. More realistic is that intuitive force meets conscious guidance of thought. Free will is the ability to choose between different possible courses of action. Not having full control over your cognition isn't a point that defeats the idea of having free will
Just because you don't know the mechanics of how something is done doesn't mean you don't have control over it
Caleb Hall
I like this
Jackson Martin
Every action has a cause, right?
Caleb Watson
fug :DDD
Austin Diaz
I have free will because I'm not going to do this, I see through your trickery.
Kevin Robinson
The primary motor cortex, or M1, is one of the principal brain areas involved in motor function. M1 is located in the frontal lobe of the brain, along a bump called the precentral gyrus (figure 1a). The role of the primary motor cortex is to generate neural impulses that control the execution of movement.
Check mate.
Zachary Morgan
Well, first, I make the sub-concious decision to raise my arm. This could be from choice or even the power of suggestion. Next, I conciously make the choice then my brain sends signals along neurons and nerves, down through my nervous system, the one attached to my spine, and into my arm. Next, the muscles in my arm send signals they are ready to perform the task as it is in healthy, working order. Finally, my muscles start to resond, flexing to bring my arm up, and in succession, down. You completely misunderstand the theory of free will. Everything we do is decided by our sub-conscience about half a second before we do it, therefore some people believe free will does not exist. Not that we can't explain why, or clear out minds.
Carson Jackson
This is that theory of free wills non-existance. To actually believe this, you have to start going into rediculous, new age phillosophy. It really doesn't differ from religion. Still stinks of people trying to hide from their decisions by blaming some unknown, mystical force.
Oliver Watson
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Adrian Morales
bull op is trying to steal me look at the wordfilter or dont but they are succeeding
Leo Watson
Fucking kek, try again kiddo.
Adrian Torres
am no understand how gravity work? no? am no gravity!
Daniel Adams
I don't believe in free will, but these are some shit arguments, OP. Holy shit.
I was just searching for a reaction image to call OP a faggot and I stumbled across this image. I saved this about 4 years ago. What was I thinking? This isn't even a little funny.
Andrew Sanders
I believe the point OP is trying to make is not whether free will exists, but whether you, the reader, possess free will, hence why you, the reader, should try the exercises and get to asking yourself these questions. Pointing out other people's qualities or abilities doesn't mean you also have them.
Colton Hernandez
That's some 9gag tier humor there bruh
Oliver Turner
I believe the point the post you replied to was trying to make was that OP's exercises are bullshit and don't disprove free will at all. Whether you can stop thinking for 2 minutes or don't know how you move your arm doesn't disprove free will.
Adam Edwards
Kill yourself
Lucas Roberts
Free choice exists. Free Will is theistic. You can't literally do anything. By the time you eliminate all the things you are limited from doing in the next few moments, you realize you have only a few things you can do. The impulses you have and your desires will make certain the outcome in such a fashion that it has been proven your mind often tricks you into believing other choices were even realistic, your decisions are made in your brain before you consciously realize it.
Jordan Turner
No, it just implies all the possible actions are a future.