When does enjoying beauty become objectifying?

What does it mean to objectify a woman? A man? Does anime do it?

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Objectification is defined as when a person is regarded as an object. There are 10 aspects to objectification. I will use Shinji from Neon Genesis Evangelion to provide a few examples. Shinji is objectified by his father. Although objectification is often considered toward women, men are also victims. It is obvious that American and anime culture use women’s sexuality to sell. By using Shinji, I hope to point out how objectification goes beyond sexual elements.

These 10 ideas are all aspects of objectifying someone. They don’t all need to be present. Shinji isn’t reduced to his body parts, but he shows how most of these ideas go into treating someone as an object. As you can see, objectification goes beyond the sexual components we most often think of as objectifying. Objectification is a disregard for a person’s identity. It is a way of thinking that relegates a person to nothing more than a commodity.

Anime Objectifies Women…and Men

The idea of objectification usually doesn’t extend to fictional characters. Fictional characters are created to serve a particular story or purpose. They are not fully developed people but rather illusions of people. Anime characters are also designed to fill certain story needs. They are not fully real players in our world. This does not lessen their impact on us by any means. These characters are designed to resonate and jump off the screen as if they were real.

Fictional characters are objects by definition. They lack ‘humanity.’ That is, they are not human like you and I. Fictional characters fit all or most of our criteria because, like any idea, they are objects.

So, anime objectifies both men and women characters. Like all fiction.

No body cares, faggot.

Bear with me. The point I am trying to make is how fictional characters are different from real people when it comes to objectification. Objectification is not always a bad thing. I am getting there. Hang with me a little bit longer.

Objectification deals with the treatment of people . Fictional characters fall into the 'objects' category and so are objectified. That doesn’t mean you (or me) treat these characters as objects. Just because High School of the Dead has jiggling boobs and makes its female characters boob totems does not mean every viewer objectifies that character as the anime tries to force.

So instead of asking “does anime objectify women” ask yourself: “do I objectify women?”

The point of illustrating fictional characters as objects is to point out how you treat your favorite fictional character in your mind. Whenever I watched High School of the Dead, Freezing, or other fan service laced anime, I do not regard the female character in the way the anime tries to portray. I am not titillated by animated breasts. Instead, I ponder why the author viewed such as necessary. Do the fans actually want this? Does this contribute, at all, to the feelings I have toward the character? I may, perhaps, feel sorrow for the character. I am a bit prudish, so most of the time I feel irritation toward the writers.

What mindset does objectification cultivate?

The issue is mindset. The objectification of fictional characters can leech into reality if you embrace such thinking. Or fictional objectification can strengthen compassion toward that character. Fiction reveals to us our deepest thoughts. If you are turned on by some fictional women being exposed or put in compromising situations, these types of thoughts will interject themselves into reality. Fictional objectification can show us aspects of ourselves that we may not see otherwise. It is a safe place to realize our proclivities. Realization is the first step to changing behavior we dislike. So in this regard, anime’s objectification of men and women can be helpful.

I generally avoid anime that has girls’ clothes shredding. I specialized in character design in my undergrad animation degree, so I drew a lot of female anatomy. Nudity does not bother me. Circumstances of nudity does. Clothes get ripped in battle, but efforts to objectify a strong female warrior shows more about the viewer’s and writer’s mentality than the character’s personality. Namely, this objectification is aimed at reducing the threatening feelings a strong female character can invoke in a male audience. Many men are troubled by women who are too strong. These women cannot be possessed, bossed, or otherwise need a male.

So, in order to make them more acceptable, these strong female characters are objectified through boob shots, up skirts, and similar nonsense. Are you a fan that feels threatened by strong female characters?

Of course not. These characters are some of the most popular and beloved. But this "hedging of bets" still remains to make them more palatable. It's subtle, subconscious stuff-but it is still there.

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I'm not gonna lie, I am a sexy boy and I have been "objectified" by milfs before. It's very creepy and very insulting but it's the least of my problems, not something people should whine about unless it escalates to harassment.

In animu? Who cares? Sex sells, by objectifying their characters, the producers of anime are supporting the Japanese economy, themselves and their fans, everybody wins.

Objectification is inevitable

Many of our everyday interactions with other people use people to reach our own goals without much thought as to who that person is.

Even using objectification as a call to mindfulness is still using that character or person as a means to an end. The trick is a matter of degree. Fictional characters are personas that appear to be real, and may well become real in our minds. They exist to help us discover ourselves: a means to an end. However, the end and the means are both noble. Asking a friend for help and seeing that friend as a means of help is not wrong. It is a matter of degree.

What makes objectification wrong is the absence of humanity. Fictional characters are ideas that are inherently human. Even the typical objectification of women, boob jiggles and the like, are common human behavior. In the right circumstances, a guy watching breast bounce may well be a good thing for both the guy and girl. He likes what he sees; she knows he respects her enough to feel happy about how much she pleases him. On the reverse, she likes his chest, and he likes how she likes his chest. It is okay in these types of situations. Both people respect each other and do not objectify outside of limited situations. The problem is when objectification is one sided and demeaning. It is a problem when objectification becomes a default view. Even the idea of ownership can be a point of pride. In the past (such as the Roman Empire) some slaves were proud to belong to certain households.

So, do you objectify women? Men?

I do. At the right circumstances and the wrong circumstances.

Anime, like any fiction, depends on the viewer. Shinji’s objectification by his father leads to a character many can identify with. High School of the Dead‘s boob hijinks can act as a warning about our mentality toward women or reinforce the negative feedback loop. Ghost in the Shell objectifies the Major in order to emphasize her disconnect between her artificial bodies and her sense of self.

It is matter of perspective. As long as people are not treated only as objects, objectification is not necessarily wrong. Enjoying beauty is not the same as objectifying as long as the person’s (or character’s) humanity remains in the viewer’s mind.

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Still, interesting stuff I thought.

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The author agrees. Especially in fiction, it is just a natural part of life and human nature.