Communism

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So why has this never worked on a large scale?

dream on

I would say "inb4 real communism has never been tried", but he already said that in the post you quoted

face it, these people are exactly the same as devout christians/muslims/whatever. they will jump through infinite hoops to maintain their view that their chosen worldview is flawless

because we aren't mindless bees. even on a small scale, communal living often degenerates into a rule cucked tyranny where every transgressor is excluded until no-one is left. People aren't nice and kind and alturistic by nature, they're nasty and violent and want lots of everything for themselves. Marx and Engels were political idealists and not psychologists and that's where they went wrong. Soviet communism ended up having to be imposed by force and so failed.
That said, wouldn't we be better off if we were forced into working all for one and one for all? There'd be equality, but would there be happiness?

no

problem with communism in "western" society is this: communism is about every1 having the same amount - government-mandated share. 1 guy drinks his bottle of vodka and goes "id drink more". The other guy doesnt drink, so he has a bottle of vodka. The 1st guy say "gimmie that bottle of vodka". The 2nd says "but then ill have les and ull have more. We might trade" And they trade. And some1 else WANTS something and is willing to trade with something else. And some1 else will trade sth else for sth else, that u traded for sth, that was common for u, but not for them. And so capitalism is born.
Its like asking "what would u do, if there was no money tommorow?" Ud invent it anew. R we talking about just cash? Then accounts still have value and u print out the cash. What if there never was money up till now? Ud invent it.
Ask Poland why communism didnt work

Fun fact: that paragon of communal living in mutual aid and solidarity, Bernie Sanders, once got kicked out of a commune because he wouldn't shut up about politics long enough to actually do his share of the work.

It doesn't work for fucking anybody, on any scale.

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If you took all the money and all the land in the world and shared it out equally between all humans, the sad fact is that within 100 years it would all be back in the same few hands as it was before.

Communism is an ideology that seeks to take us to the logical endpoint of capitalism, ie unlimited capital in the hands of all, by forbidding the creation or ownership of capital.

Basically, the most backwards ass ideology that has ever existed.

The "capitalist" takes all the risk. If his venture fails, he is the one who goes hungry, or who loses everything. The worker risks nothing, and is rewarded with a claim on labor far in excess of what he could get on his own thanks to his use of the capitalist's capital, which is a lever on labor.

Uninformed new fag get out and educate yourself on the manner.

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would destroy capitalism. inequality and scarcity is part of the deal or it wouldn't work. with unlimited available capital, how would value work? How would supply and demand pricing function?

Ha fucking ha. Remember 2008?

That's like saying unlimited mass would destroy gravity, rather than simply increasing it to a level that is hard for some to imagine.

You don't understand capitalism or human action.

Things that are available without limit lose value, just like your smartphone has capabilities that would have cost nearly a million dollars 30 years ago at practically zero cost, thanks to the wonder of greatly increased capital.

When supply is infinite, or practically infinite, price falls to zero. This is known. Also why you don't pay for air.

We transitioned away from capitalism in 1913. What we have now, as what we had in 2008, is a centrally planned economy where the central bank artificially sets the price of money and bails out its cronies while they destroy capital, raising prices for basic goods and in general impeding progress. Communism only takes that to a more extreme level. At least we still have something resembling free enterprise.

The ability to speak does not make you intelligent.

What communism is, can very easily be googled.

The funny part is that in the early to mid 20th century, the American government indoctrinated it's people with an irrational fear and hate towards communism so effectively, that even today's youth almost instinctively hate it, often without knowing what the fuck it is. They just know it's BAD and they DON'T WANT IT.

Right, because hundreds of millions starving to death wouldn't on its own make people think that it was a bad idea.

The US has a highly educated population, and as such can see that communism gets pretty much everything completely fucking backwards, which is why only backwards fucking retarded groups of people want it.

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I never said communism was good.
I just pointed out that Americans get triggered by the mere word communism.
I heard some chick in an interview about why she supports Trump say (among other things of course) that 'she doesn't want communism here'
Like, bitch, how is communism even still a threat to the US today and why do you need Trump against communism.. She probably doesn't really know what communism is. Americans are just brought up from birth to hate communism, just because.
Kinda the same way Muslims are brought up to hate Jews, and the other way around. (inb4 they have good reasons to hate eachother. That's besides the point)

Cut out the niggers and the spics and something interesting happens.

You do know that we had a communist running for the Democratic nomination, and that he actually won but had the election stolen from him, right?

If you're referring to Bernie Sanders as a communist then you prove my point

Here's a more recent one, btw.

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You're a real genius. Communism must work perfectly, even if the implementation is slightly off, even by the smallest bit!

nypost.com/2016/01/16/dont-be-fooled-by-bernie-sanders-hes-a-diehard-communist/

What's your point?

Posting the PISA chart has nothing to do with communism..The point of posting the chart is to point out how bad the US does in education quality compared to other countries. As a reaction to 'The US has a highly educated population'

You are illiterate, so you have completely missed my point.

CUT OUT THE SPICS AND NIGGERS AND SOMETHING INTERESTING HAPPENS

Yes, Bernie Sanders was going to turn the USA into soviet style communism, and Trump is actually gonna build a coast to coast wall between the USA and Mexico.

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There are barely any spics or niggers on there, you mongoloid.
What's your fucking point?

>inb4 your point is that there are barely any spics and niggers on there which proves the US is better than third world shit countries

communism was supposed to be a society that was so evolved that there was no need for the class system of labor and resource division.

it fails because humans are biologically programed to compete with each other for resources and mates.

You are fucking retarded.

THE UNITED STATES HAS A LARGE NUMBER OF SPICS AND NIGGERS IN IT.

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So?
You said "The US has a highly educated population"

Then what you should've said was "The caucasian master race part of the US is highly educated" because those spics and niggers are part of the US population.

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Salty because you took the bait?

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Thanks for the lecture on supply and demand ad absurdum. I think you somehow manage to disprove your own point. Valueless capital is an oxymoron if ever I saw one and so is zero price.

No, because average scores aren't the point. Everyone here goes to college, more or less.

Value means how much work you have to put in to get something. You don't have to put in any work to get air, most of the time, so it is free, most of the time. With infinite capital, you don't have to put in any work to get manufactured goods, so they are free. This is easy for anyone with a high school education to understand.

not at all. the capitalist is the one who pays the overhead and manages the whole operation. his service is the most valuable.
kinda a tautology. "the capitalist" is, in fact, a worker.
take a minute and think about what you said.
if everyone kept the majority of what they produced we wouldn't have any circulation of goods. that is a retarded notion you just put forth and doesn't even stand to the slightest amount of forward thinking.

holy shit, you just roasted all of leftism in one sentence

The real point of communism is absolute power. It always has been about absolute power. It always will be about absolute power. The “stateless, moneyless, and classless utopia" that communists promise you is a complete and total lie. It's just a con game the leaders of communism tell the useful idiots to give them everything.

Once the communists have absolute power, they will never give it up. “Stateless, moneyless, and classless utopia"? Don't make me laugh. Marxists can’t even run a commune full of hippies.

After the communists win and all the gulags and mass graves are filled with capitalists, what happens? Do the communists give up power? No. Is the government disbanded? No. Of course not. Instead the useful idiots that complain will end up in the same gulags and mass graves that they helped build. That is the real definition of communism.

No type of anarchism is possible.

The only possible social systems are tribal in nature. If they aren't, they can't work; they will simply devolve into the next closest tribal system.

Nations are large tribes. Humans require leaders. Someone will always rise to power.

If everyone sold everything they produced, all anyone would have is money!

Well assuming you're the same person all along the reply chain since , you don't seem to have an argument so much as want one at any price.
I'd gladly chew the rag with you over politics, but not if that mainly consists of calling each other morons.
Perhaps you'd care to state your "argument" clearly enough to be understood by an uneducated and ill-informed 12 year old such as myself? Brevity is soveriegn for autists like me, so cut the bullshit and make your point.

Then why does entropy exist?

Checkmate atheist.

just go for a republic of some kind
dont even mess with that shit

But this man is a fucking retard.

It may be the description of communism they sold you in highschool biology (along with the fallacies that it gives you cancer and burns americans for fuel), but it in no way defines communism.
Every single characteristic you attribute to communism is also if not more true of contemporary capitalism. The concentration of power/wealth in the hands of the few true believers is evident today, as capitalism enters its final stages, and so is the more or less unlimited cynicism employed by them to ensure they retain that power.

You completely failed to refute one of the entire video. Typical sheep.

You're the one posting an example of an idiot pandering to subs, sheep.

Wrong. Socialism is evident today. Socialist Obama is using socialism to destroy America.

Strike two! You aren't even trying to make an argument. Just admit that you didn't watch the video.

You are a proud collectivist. You don't get to use that insult, hypocrite.

what would a homeless guy do with an ipad?

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Because I've seen the man before and he's a fucking retard, sorry you're clearly a fan and it flew over your head. Why don't you let an original thought pop into your head and articulate your worldview yourself rather than eating out some view whores asshole?

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Of course. How dumb of me. We will by then have robots to make and transport those goods and other robots to design, fabricate, organise, distribute, maintain and repair those same robots and, I almost forgot, themselves.
You are an alien. Please carry me away to your planet where all this is true and loli is abundant.

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apprentice troll
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Fact Communism has a 100% failure rate

That's not a fact though, Mr Meme Man.

National socialism has a 100% failure rate, fascism has a 100% failure rate, communism does not have a 100% failure rate. Get over it.

Present a case of communism working…oh that's right you can't.

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China? Vietnam? best Korea?
Compared to, say Morroco or Thailand or Namibia, can you say these communist countries have failed? By your criteria, France, Sweden and Italy are communist too and they're all better places to live than america.

Cuba.

Present a case of the far right working… oh snippidy snap the meme strikes back! Get it? Because you fucking cannot do it! Top kek!

China and Vietnam haven't been communist for over 30 years retard and north Korea is a hellhole where people are starving to death….you really are a fool.

Exactly what I thought. You have no argument whatsoever. I knew I was completely right, but it's always good to get confirmation.

Strike three. Yer out!

pick one

Cuba hahahah Here's you workers paradise bahahahahaha

China communist since 1949
Vietnam since 1950 (north) 1975 (united)
Just how ill-educated are you?
And as for N Korea, look it up before you open your mouth. They have more mobile phones per capita (in their capital and along the chinese border) than your state. Perhaps they don't use cabbages as sanitary towels either?

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that's great! just look how equal they all are

to be fair, part of the reason cuba's shit is the embargo. not even necessarily the fact that the embargo's there, but because the people use it as an excuse for everything.

kinda like niggers in the US. they're told all their lives that they will never live a healthy, productive life because the white man is bringing them down. essentially saying that nothing they do matters because their problems are someone else's fault. so they aren't invested in their education and get poor marks because of it (while blaming racist teachers for the poor marks of course), they revel in hedonism and never develop a work ethic so they have kids they can't support (while blaming racist employers for the fact that they have no money), and they commit crime because that's the only way they think they can prosper (while blaming racist police for their high arrest rate).

Cuba is having the same problem, just a different boogeyman

Communism could work on a small scale, within a small town or neighborhood, but it just doesn't work on a national scale. On a small scale you don't need a bureaucracy to make laws or enforcers to punish people, that can all be handled in house. Communism may actually be very nice and effective on a small scale.

But communism just doesn't scale well. Maybe when we have hyperintelligent AIs it will be possible, but for now it's not. Stretching the commune of communism from a small group to a massive one comes with all sorts of complications that ultimately run counter to the ideals of communism. You need a huge, powerful government to track and regulate everything, and to hand things out. And governments always take their cut.

what happens here is a good illustration of how, even with a small membership, a community based on an egalitarian ethos quickly becomes dominated by the loudest, the maddest and those who want a return on their investment.

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Niggers are the fruit of 200 years of unbridled capitalism and unrestrained breeding with white criminals. Detroit derives from the great american automobile industry fail, or rather defeat at the hands of the japs and germans. A political, not racial epitaph to a once great city where capitalism failed.

Nigger I don't care what someone that gets their information from Shouty McCarthyist Retardman thinks. You're a lost cause.

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Still has better healthcare than the USA, which over here in Europe is what we consider entry requirements for the first world.

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im not saying it's ALL their fault. but it is in their power to make their own lives better.

placing blame=/=solving problems.

If you're talking about Sicko, that lying sack of shit Michael Moore took tours of Castro's private healthcare facilities. That's the healthcare for government officials.

This is what everyone else in that country gets. Why do you think they cobble together boats out of garbage and brave the ocean to get here every year? If Communism was great, why is everyone in those countries constantly trying to escape them?

The simplest 1-to-1 comparison that definitively proves what utter shit communism is is North Korea vs South Korea. Noth Korea was created by Communism, South Korea was created by Capitalism.

North Korea is a shithole run by a cartoonishly insane dictator who puts up pretend cities for outsiders to view and lives in opulent splendor while the people starve to the point that they pick corn pieces out of shit just to have something to eat.

South Korea is one of the most technologically advanced countries on Earth.

When confronted with this a commie failure sjw will say "Th-that's not fair! South Korea had a lot more money to work with because of capitalism!" WHICH IS THE ENTIRE POINT, RETARD. AHAHAHAHAHA.

While you're at it, read up on Andrei Chikatilo, the Soviet Union's most prolific serial killer. Now, it's true you'll find serial killers everywhere, but what's important about him is that what speicifcally allowed him to get away with it for decades was Communism. He did what he did out in the open. And it's some truly gruesome stuff, but the dude was a school teacher. Through the years there are tons of records of him pulling shit like sneaking into boys dorms, and them waking up with him sucking their dicks and shit. In the Communist system though, admitting he did something wrong ould make the entire school guilty in the eyes of the government, so rather than punish him they'd just transfer him to another school where he could start over again and again and again. Because of Communism.

Who told you that shit? The liar Michael Moore?

Let's not lie to ourselves here, that country is also absolute shit.

average cancer death rate is same +/-. average dental health is better in cuba(who 2006).

and so is the north. home grown ballistic missile and nuclear tech puts them in top tier.

South Korea is
meant 4u

I sure hope no one in this thread is doing this

meanwhile in Britain…

that's a good thing

he won't win

t. Germany before the 1933 election

run by democrats for the past 40 years….thanks for proving me right retard

Most leftists (okay, most sane leftists) will tell you Communism is shit and always will be shit

It exists to fulfill the obligations of capitalism

Get yourself a copy of the Communist Manifesto, it is for free on a ton of sites as the copyright has been over for 100 years and it is a short read.

Do a basic google search of "lenin's telescope revolution" where he talks about skipping the industrialisation step of communism

Do some further reading into Stalinism, Maoism etc. for a more nuanced idea of what Communism is and has been.

Also this is coming from a free-market libertarian, but Communism has been one of the driving forces in geo-politics since 1917 and it is important that people understand it's origins and what it is.