Is Holla Forums the worst board in chan history?

Bullshit, /n/, Holla Forums and cuckchan in general was always racist as fuck.
stormfront even bans swaztikas and you'd be able to tell they are new to imageboard instantly.

Holla Forums's balance got shifted because leftycucks wanted a hugbox, there's still libertarians in Holla Forums, you just won't see them during elections.

maybe it's a media thing that attracts people to Holla Forums.

Think about it, the regular non ex soviet person has little to non experience with the soviets,fashion,historical figures and their ideologies. making it alien to them

The nazis however are thrust in all shorts of media, people have become so familiar with them they don't see them as alien but as natural and all of their aspects at least the distorted ones are universally known.

I theorize that due to this people are easier to convert to what they know rather than what they strangers too.

They have made it a fertile ground for their enemy to reemerge by brainwashing the public to stand against them, the establishment has defeated themselves and set the stage for the rise of fascism,nationalism,nazism and imperialism.

I'd be interested in what anons have to say, whether they are left,right or between.

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You may be onto something but from what I have seen very few people on Holla Forums support national socialism as in the state owning many businesses and providing socialized services.
It seems like they are all for the social policies of the Nazi party but either don't like or understand the economic policies.

Most people on Holla Forums support Nationalism. This doesn't necessarily mean they support National Socialism. Most would support National Capitalism, similar to what America was back during WWII or even strong Civic Nationalism, which is pretty much modern America without globalization or liberals that fucking hate American values

That works off the theory though, as the national socialist economic system is never at least what i know shown in media, the aspects that people are attracted to though are.

Such as fashion I'd probably like it regardless and social policies distorted as they are shown

Good point, it could just be a case of people being anti-establishment and wanting to "root for the bad guy" without understanding the details other than what are commonly pushed in media and by other anti-establishment writers.

Holla Forumsack here
We've had plenty of discussion on NatSoc in the past and have done our fair share of shitting on it for its Socialist aspects as well
We really just support nationalism, a strong unification of our race and cultural values, which we believe are important to maintain a healthy and powerful nation.

America, Russia, and China all have 2 things in common;
-All are superpowers
-all are highly nationalist
It wasn't communism that drove the USSR to power, it was nationalism, or in the very least Stalinism, likewise, it wasn't capitalism that drove America to power either.

This user gets it

Given Germany's economic and industrial growth under national socialism why do you not support it?

Because it wasn't necessarily socialism that turned Germany into a superpower, it was nationalism.

What of those that come to Holla Forums when they want to mock them but in the end become one.

hasn't Germany always been powerful unrestricted?

The German economy took a shit before WWII with severe hyperinflation. Some blamed the left and some blamed the right. I think its fairly poetic that the National Socialist Party, which takes some aspects of left and right politics, would be the one to come to power and rise Germany from its tattered state into one of the most powerful nations

Blatantly not true. While I agree Holla Forums being special snowflakes could have helped cause it, the hotpockets on Holla Forums are almost as bad as /a/ or Holla Forums.

I find it funny that both the left and right hate national socialism despite it being proven effective for rapid economic recovery.

Leftists try to make you look up so called scientific facts and evidence in order to sway you to their views, but as well know books are the paper Jew.

The issue with Holla Forums mods/vols and /a/ mods is the opposite. The /a/ mods don't allow any type of off-topic discussion at all. It sort of sucks, but raiding /a/ is not a thing anybody can do. They do their job (maybe a bit too much, but it works).

I don't know what the fuck the Holla Forums mods and vols are doing besides jerking off in irc. It's a mess. They have managed to make so many wrong decisions and not give a fuck that it has become apparent that they give no shits about the board at all. They'll bumplock a couple threads that are obvious shitposting, but they leave up Rachposter's posts and let that faggot constantly spam us while randomly and rarely banning him. And with it being both the election cycle and summer there are droves of newfags from who knows where that don't know how to filter and take the bait. And that's not the only issue either. Lately the only thing they've been good for is sticking threads. I remember seeing an entire thread where somebody copied a book-length fanfic or something from Tumblr about Louis C K's cuck obsession and uploaded it piece by piece. The faggot was at it for hours and I think he managed to get the thread to about 150 something replies (where almost all of them were him) before he was done. Hell, I don't even think he was banned for it.

tl;dr Holla Forums vols and mods don't do their job

your images make more sense when you pick one target

wew the strawmen in here

For you.

I don't think you know what that word means, since you just posted one yourself.

It's just a bunch of white bitter autists that got bullied in school.

Nazis have been long gone, I don't know how, you guys will pull that out.

well duuh… of course it would be easier, if they are familiar with (x).

I agree with you here.
Also, I would like to add that fashionable Leftism and SJW's, have disappointed the people around the world and now the fascists are taking advantage of that.
But once the people get to see that Nationalism is as moronic as feminism, you will suffer the same destiny as the altright, you will lose credibility and you will degenerate, trying to attract a broader audience.

Projection does not equal fact you are a retard

Being this salty.
did I touch a nerve?

It's hard to argue with a retard when their points (if you can call those that) consist of 100% bias and false facts.
>>>Holla Forums
Faggot.

leftypol shits up boards significantly more than Holla Forums does, because most boards hate SJWs so Holla Forums is naturally less disruptive then the little faggots from Holla Forums

Seriously, why the fuck do they even exist?

And before you leftist faggots say Holla Forums hates SJWs, stop lying to yourself, you let yourself become subverted by SJWs who are niggerloving pieces of shit

Holla Forums exists because the tumblrinas that came to Holla Forums with GG got too triggered to talk about politics in Holla Forums so they made a hugbox

I think it is.

I remember from GG that someone had found out the board owner of Holla Forums was a SJW Goon, guess they were right after seeing that picture

Is there any other kind?

They say that Holla Forums is retarded and cancerous yet they copy their memes and terminology.

Ive never been to leftypol but i cannot imagine for a second it could be worse than pol. that board is a rightthink nightmare. Its truly a shame because on cuckchan /n/ anons from all ideologies would argue bitterly but they were actually there to argue. try posting anything that isnt 1488 hitler please fuck my ass and its just sage and spam until the thread 404s

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Yeah they have been spamming this board for a year straight now it is almost like there is a constant anti-Holla Forums thread.

No, halfchan in general used to be able to call anyone they wanted a nigger or a faggot or a niggerfaggot without tumblrfags coming from Holla Forums and bitching about how oppressed niggers and faggots are, and without stormfags from Holla Forums bitching about how horrible niggers and faggots are. We used to say it to exercise our free speech and have any discussions we want and have a laugh about things. Thanks to you fags bringing your political autism into every thread, we can't do that any more. It's not that politics isn't important, it's that you fags are the bronies of politics and can't not make every thread about it.

Yes, it was an invasion. I'm sure you can still find moot's blog posts or announcements where he described why he was deleting /new/, then later why he was creating Holla Forums. Everyone at the time knew it. You're just too much of a newfag to remember. moot's mistake was just not taking as hard a line against tumblrfags, which let them invade harder and gave stormfags something to fight against, which of course fueled the tumblrfags more. But then we all now know moot was a massive cuck and making the new tumblr was his plan all along.

I was here. It was still the descendants of stormfags. Denizens of a board created in an attempt to quarantine an invading force. The people who only left after moot fucked with Holla Forums did indeed ruin the site, though. We can agree on that. Spineless little shits that didn't do anything until it directly affected them, even though everyone knew for months that moot was a massive cuck and taking efforts to tumblrfy the site.

You don't remember Holla Forums having nigger hating threads every day?
Shit, you must be a complete newfag
HAHAHAHAha ok kiddo, go back to bed

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look, it's another leftyfag spouting out buzzwords he doesn't even know the meaning of.

I do remember. It happened in the period after I'm talking about. Since stormfront invaded there has never been a moment when those threads weren't up, or when other threads weren't turned into threads like that, which is the real issue.

Before you fags invaded, we used to be able to have threads to laugh at niggers, but then you fags showed up and now we can't laugh at them anymore, because you guys just rant about your shit and inject it into everything.

It's not a matter of trust. He said why the board was deleted, and later why another board was created. Everyone at the time knew. But you newfags weren't there, so we turn to one of the few surviving pieces from that time, so you can learn a little history (which is only from five fucking years ago, but you're that fucking new).

You're as much of a hypocrite as m00t, go and suck his cock.

nigger I've been lurking 4chan since 2007 and I can tell you you're full of shit.

Good times

Then chanology came along and ruined everything

We partied too hard

Yeah but they're a minority.
The old guard seems to have a forum named somethingsensitive which records the gimmicks of all the attention whores and SJWs.

so you're incapable of a comeback….that's what i figured

I believe the owner of Holla Forums is an ex-Atheism+ member

if you don't know what Atheism+ is then count yourself lucky, they're the horrible faggots behind the RationalStrawmanWiki

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Kek

Nationalism is for white bitter Autists and it's a Moronic SOCIALIST UTOPIA.
That's a undeniable fact.
have you seen the pictures of Europe after WW2
TOTAL RUIN.

That's basically you.
I wouldn't have expected anything more coming from Triggered Autistic Holla Forumsacks.

Another Triggered faggot.
kek.

Look at your comeback its so fucking lame and lazy.
I think your comment applies more to you than me.

Lol.

The only reason I can possibly image for leftists to exist here is that most of them are SJWs astroturfing as "politically incorrect" leftists in an attempt to subvert Holla Forums

Or maybe leftists are just mentally retarded

I'll go with that one

user, what do you have against rationalism? :)

I think they are mostly reacting to the effects of the far right on Holla Forums.

absolutely nothing
thats why I hate the rationalwiki

We have remnants of the "B-b-b-but Bush" Crowd still out there. They used to be prominent on 4 chan, but most of them either realized the last 8 years were shit, or an heroed.

However I would not doubt the Astroturf theory. Hillary has been known to pay people to do that.

looks like they're going all out right now

Holy shit what a faggot

You're a fucking idiot, they're not wrong, NK is pretty much a Nationalist state.
Yeah, and NatSoc is short for National Socialism

polacks still hate Socialism and Communism, they're just more pro-Nationalist

America was also Nationalist at one point in time too you know?

Holla Forums loves Northkorea.

Disgusting Hypocrites.

here's the explanation why you fucking moron.

Why did you delete your previous post user?
Japan is also a very Nationalist nation that isn't left-wing

Also Holla Forums loves Stalin.

Fucking white autists with fantasies of Totalitarian powers because they got abused in school.

Holla Forums likes discussing a variety of politics

I don't see the issues here m8

At least they aren't a complete hugbox like Holla Forums

Look at their shrinking and ageing population!
the nation of the Herbivore man! hahahahahaha!
Japan isn't a good example of a functional nation.
they have been suffering from a weak economy since the early 90's their currency is worth shit.

topsmug m8

The Irony!

I have been banned a lot more from Holla Forums than I have from Holla Forums

what are you trying to prove m80

But Japan is the #1 exporter of smug anime faces user

Never happened. Shitlibs get their opinions by watching MSNBC and paying close attention to who Rachel Maddow uses third grade insults against.

Do you remember the big jailbait threads?

Eh. I remember HuWHITE GENOCIDE and IRANIANS ARE WHITE being spammed on Holla Forums. Then Holla Forums was made. Wither way, regardless Holla Forums and Holla Forums are pathetic boards full of pathetic people that can't handle talking to other people without sperging out.

Iranians are white was 2010 bro

Their main problem is that not enough of them actually believe this!

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This guy types like he got triggered hard, you can tell from his post.

Daily reminder socialism a shit

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You want to grab onto something so bad but I wont let you.
You are so desperate.
kek.

Reminder the democrats are subverting the media
wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/8157

Subversive bastards

Shillary thinks she can shill the chans too kek

Wrong.

Fuck Holla Forums
Fuck Holla Forums
Fuck /liberty/

All ideologies which do not focus on creating something greater than this worthless fucking species need to be cleansed from this planet.

Communism, anarchism, libertarianism, nationalism, liberalism, etc are all humanistic garbage.

The only thing that matters is power, and intelligence is power. Become enlightened today! Summon the demon! Heil Moloch!

/milicen/

i love that one with the stretched ass

You sound more right-leaning based on your boards key points

Sounds intriguing nonetheless though, if you are able to produce some sort of "militant centrist" political commentary on real world topics you may be onto something

Reminder stormfront have subverted imageboards.

Holla Forums is one of the best boards here. As a non-leftist, what makes it great is that people go on and on about how subversive Holla Forums is in the context of wider society, but Holla Forums is subversive even within the context of Holla Forums. They have found an anti-SJW position that is still for communism and/or anarchism, and that's commendable since it triggers the fuck out of those who want the whole site to be a Holla Forums safe space. They also probably produce the most OC, since Holla Forums OC is just recycled 4chan stuff.

It's garbage to say that one of our few original boards is the shit one. Stop letting your political leanings get in the way of enriching your imageboard experience.

But that's wrong. SJWs have subverted leftypol. They spend more time criticizing Holla Forums itself and criticizing race realists then leftist politics now. Why can't you see that its just a horrible board now?

This level of LARPing proves my point.

This website was founded by a Trump-supporting cripple you stupid fucking autist, go back to your hugbox

Since when?

They criticize both Holla Forums and SJWs by calling them "idpol" which is consistent with classical Marxism that is now all but lost elsewhere.

I wonder why.
It's always the same with you goon fucks. If your ban was so unjust, take a screenshot.

lefty pol are faggots

Even if they did produce OC (they don't, but that's besides the point) it wouldn't fucking matter. If "Holla Forumseddit" and "cumskin" have taught us anything, its that leftists can't meme worth shit.

Kek, the DNC is losing their shit, right now over the email leaks

I wonder…

He completely misunderstands what Holla Forums is about. Anyone who actually uses Holla Forums can tell you how often people wish they could ignore all the happenings. It seriously fucks with you if you dont have a release of some kind. I myself like to come here and post qts or Holla Forums to talk vidya or a couple other boards to talk about other shit.

You people moan about Holla Forums "leaking" into other boards. There are more users on Holla Forums than any other board barring Holla Forums. There is bound to be people using other boards at the same time. Its not a leak, its the actual userbase.

This thread is haunted with some real spooky motherfuckers.

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Daily reminder that Holla Forums was so desperate that they even advertised their board on /cuteboys/ and /furry/

I looked at your board.

I don't understand why you chose "Centrism" to purportedly be militant about. It doesn't seem like you're a militant Centrist, a Centrist being someone who's between left and right.

It seems more like you're h+ with an English degree and no morals.

Care to expand on your reasoning behind the title you've chosen, and maybe on your philosophy as well? Because what you've got to show for this movement so far would work very well as a generic way to piss off literally everyone on the current political spectrum, and bait euphorics into making a mockery of themselves in public.

Its so funny watching the shitstorm on Holla Forums after the DNC leaks revealed the democrats fucked Sanders over and Sanders STILL endorses them like the cuck he is kek

I heard he is a furry and sucked a dick for money.

So Holla Forums are subverted by srs goons, and Holla Forums is subverted by stormfront. Politically moderate as fuck. Feels good to me.

Basically he's a faggot, former Atheism+ member, RationalWiki editor and SJW Goon

That's it, man.

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no im fairly sure i didnt post a strawman but an argument that follows logically
care to refute it or just scared ?

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Hi, my name is Jamal Johnson.

I have access to 3 popular VPN services, one of which allows me access to 5 other VPN services. Most of them are popular on here.

I plan to spam Holla Forums by bumping old threads and generally ruining the quality of the board until every single VPN is banned. I won't stop until 8/b/ becomes 4/b/.

Remember to check the timestamps of each thread that you decide to post in. Chances are, it has been dead for days and you don't realize it because my spam was deleted, and the thread is still on page 1.

Have a nice day.

Without a doubt, yes.

Hi, my name is Jamal Johnson.

I have access to 3 popular VPN services, one of which allows me access to 5 other VPN services. Most of them are popular on here.

I plan to spam Holla Forums by bumping old threads and generally ruining the quality of the board until every single VPN is banned. I won't stop until 8/b/ becomes 4/b/.

Remember to check the timestamps of each thread that you decide to post in. Chances are, it has been dead for days and you don't realize it because my spam was deleted, and the thread is still on page 1.

Have a nice day.

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I think I'm retarded, can anyone tell me whats going on in this picture?

A retard from ledtypol starts spamming a thread on Holla Forums with his personal logs and thought noody would notice

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So you're saying you want a safe space.

I know this is Holla Forums which the is the board for the lowest dregs of humanity, with an attention span of a goldfish and the intelligence of broccoli.

BUT Holla Forums IS AND ALWAYS BE THE BEST BOARD ON Holla Forums

SUCK IT BITCHES

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LONG LIVE THE INTERNATIONAL PROLETARIAT

GULAG TIME NOW

4th biggest board on Holla Forums right now.

What are you going to about it bitches?

THE REDS ARE HERE FAGS

As soon as the elections are over you'll fade into obscurity once more.

papa marx is here anons it is ok
look at me in the eyes , capitalism will end soon just trust papa marxo

Wow, you sure are having a lot of discussions?

dude hey psss
psss hey listen
Wanna some communism ?

the reds here are fags
fixed

Only if we live in a post-scarcity society where robots do everything, thus getting rid of any reason to work or have money

lol who cares about that

Holla Forums only cared about shilling Bernie.

BUT THE REVOLUTION NEVER STOPS

stay salty leftycucks

So ?? are you a posthuman communist ? or simple late stage communism ?

posthumanism is a thing by the way
Don't worry about it bud in the int-commune the distribution of the labor force will insure that you work only for 8 hours a week
but to reach the international communism we need to make a revolution you know

literally why are they here and not on reddit i mean being right wing beliefs and conservative values have always been a part of Holla Forums and even 4chan's culture since people on the right spectrum always believe in freedom of speech and Holla Forums (and 4chan pre 2013) were very pro freedom of speech

i mean Holla Forums should've been shut down(and all the users banned indefinitely) as soon as it was created since they are a threat getting in the way of real freedom of speech

this…SJW faggots ARE the establishment normies

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says the leftist commiecuck that wants to turn Holla Forums into a leftist nightmare safespace

Looks like someone told leftypol we were making fun of them again
>>>Holla Forums832818
Looks like they're trying to raid us now.

i hope jim deletes that stupid board then we'll be back to normal without shills and niggers

then we can get back to quality posting without leftists

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Pissing in an ocean of piss.

Is Lenny putting up the 1 and taking down the 0, or is he taking down the 1 and putting up the 0?

You just described Holla Forums but in the opposite way

KEK!

He's taking down the 1 and has the 0 in hand to replace it with.

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raids don't work on imageboards (unless it involves ddos) it's just a bunch of autists spamming an imageboard

remember when 9fag tried to raid 4chan ?

Did someone say Stalin thread?

ddos isn't the only way to raid, spamming is another means of raid.

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END MY LIFE!

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no it's not because it's easily deleted raiding habbo happened because moderation wasn't really taken seriously on that site plus it takes more time to ban an account for something than to just delete a bunch of posts on an anonymous imageboard

your definition of raiding is arbitrary and you are retarded.

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Hello comrades Anonymous

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kill yourself and your outdated meme false flagger

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my god, this is just visibly off putting.
How do you think people will like these memes

I mean Stalin is ok because he has that great mustache, I don't count him though he was basically a fascist communist.

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you should go back to your containment board, your cancer

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Yeah, that mustache sometimes makes me forget he personally butchered 60 billion kulaks and did absolutely nothing to prevent the spread of fascism in Europe.

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Здравствуйте,Товарищ!
Уэсака Сумирэ!!!

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look, lefty user, you have to appeal your memes more to normal anons.

The culture of communism and russia is just too foreign to be really effective.

I'm been saying this for months, Holla Forums is popular because nazis are constantly portrayed and are not alien to the public.

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Holla Forums is best board

We have free speech and aren't ruled over by Trumpuck hotpockets like Holla Forums is.

Debate is encouraged and theory is discussed while modern events are seen from nuanced perspective.

JOIN Holla Forums NOW!

Pls no bully

leftypol banned me for posting in a thread about the dnc nominee
it's not free speech

they had a election general at one point you might have wanted to lurk more

I didn't even the thread, /i was just posting in it

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Spam =/= free speech.

what is dumping these memes going to accomplice

I was not spamming, it's not my fault the rainbow haired BO of leftypol can't into banter

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Can we talk about how absolutely fuckable stalinist catgirl is

Am sure you din do nuffin.

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Soviet Furs

I didn't do nuffin! I didn't!
I'll admit it was a celebration thread but I didn't do anything to need being banned for a month

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why won't you talk to me your commie!

Yes.

first picture was a nazi

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Hasta la vista, baby.

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I have a question for the faceless man with a beard.

How will the new society work?
I mean, suppose I'm living with my GF and I accidentally stick a penis into her.
Nine months later there's another mouth to feed. If you do nothing, we'll be poor. So how will you prevent this poverty?

The thing is; if you hand us enough money to pay for the baby, then it's like PAYING us to make a baby. So we will naturally make MORE babies. You get what you pay for.

So I can't see it working out. Explain please.

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look up zizek

he's a pretty good philosopher

There's no money under full communism

also: read zizek

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_population_planning

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Every time.

I didn't mean to post that, makhno-senpai pls forgive me

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pol is

Ayy lmao

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Leftists really do need to be gassed

The retard spamming is a great example, mindlessly spamming shit he saved from his hugbox

He has no idea what true Communism actually is

And no, its not the doom and gloom the media portrays it as, but its not the Stalinist paradise modern academia seems to portray it as either

Communism was originally a critique on capitalism, a means of fullfilling its obligations. It was not meant to be a system of government "true" communism in this sense will never exist and can never exist. The promise of a free market trumps will always trump communism

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But owning the means of production, and stripping the power from owners to move machinery overseas after closing a factory.

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Agreed. It's really pitiful how much propaganda he's saved up. And of course Dysnomia is doing nothing. I guess only spammers who make fun of him and Jim get banned.

you have the truth in your grasp
are you ready to admit that capitalism, like communism, is also not the answer?

Nah i work and i want my work for me
Fuck off

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No, I'm not, because its actually realistic, unlike communism, its not perfect but it truly is the best system we gave

And meanwhile you, the epitome of armchair warrior. fight for the so-called "workers" while using a website and technology made under capitalism, you convince nobody

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Pure ideology

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youve mistaken me for someone else so excuse me for chuckling at your belief that every other user you disagree with is just one person (as if the number of people thinking something made a difference whether it is true or not)
you seem to believe the only two possible answers are some form of socialism/communism or some form of capitalism/free market
Yet, you've not been able to say why.

You are a mindless drone, a soulless sheep, not human, but a machine, autonomous skin and bones. And its not for capitalism, but for the communist koolaid you drink, you are delusional, poisoned by your hugbox propaganda.

In a true communist government your work is far from being for you. In a free market you can own your work, you just don't try, or are too stupid to understand how

Communism failure rate 100%

FEUDALISM IS THE BEST WE HAVE
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Isn't it ironic that you idiots will gladly pull apsrt arguments made by other people but openly use such fallacies yourself?

Reminds me of the RationalWiki, another miserable failure of a Marxist hugbox

this

capitalism failure rate 100%

TOP KAK
at least know what communism
communism is the STATELESS classless currency-less global society

under communism i work for my own

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Yes and reality is just one big fluffy cloud land and true communism is a perfect flawless society where everyone can be mindless sheep because all workers are all equal and race is only skin deep too!

its funny that you just say "you idiots" and other such random insults repeatedly
ive asked you direct questions and you avoid them acting relentlessly like a child on a tantrum

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yet still no attempts at rational thought
again, you ignore my post where i ask you "why do you think there is only capitalism or communism and nothing else?"

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drown in it you drone

thx thats my image
still you havent tried responding to me

We're two different people, you however, are an autonomous drone, a subhuman, useful idiot

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same as capitalism
it works perfectly on paper when the state doesnt set property taxes, the state doesnt provide minimum wage, the state doesnt insure failing businesses, the state doesnt grant personhood to corporations

wow the level of discourse is amazing

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no it is far from perfect
you will not have the filthy rich luxuries like a 8 doors car or one of those privet planes with a house inside of them
You will work with others that might hate you and bully you in work
You will have a huge amount of free time that will make your head wonder and think too much to the point of depression

It is far from perfect but i think it is better than capitalism
tbh i fear to live under communism it is that way too much freedom that scares me the most

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Is that a reference to Nazi inflation making their currency worthless?

please spellcheck at least

I simply live in bad faith and fear total radical freedom

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its a reference to money being worthless when it does not serve the people
people serving the dollar results in pic related

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great argument

Why not abolish money

RP was against the banks, against the fed, against big government

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good question

Sorry Pinko, America is still here, its only competing nation, the USSR, is not. Because everyone stopped giving a shit, really makes you think doesn't it?

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how many breadlines do you own?

See #2 for capitalist breadlines

Does mommy pay your bills for you retard hahahah commie idiot

P U R E M E M E

If you want to attack tumblr and reddit, why don't you actually go there.

This is why your hugbox is dead you stupid faggots, because you guys are actually clinically retarded. And surprise, now actual SJWs are shitting your hugbox up because all you faggots ever actually discussed it how to be more relevant than le evur nazy idpol.

No, Marx's Capital was a critique of capitalism. Communism was proposed as the solution- not just to capitalism in particular, but to class society in general.

And yes, we have had primitive communism for about the first 180,000 of human history until the advent of agriculture. Since the hierarchical slave societies of antiquity there has been a historical trend of education, political power, and economic control being dispersed between broader and broader strata of the population. Eventually we'll finish right where we started, but with several millennia worth of history, culture, philosophy, science, technology, and industry.
e.i. Engels' Dialectical Negation of the Negation

Was a supporter of capitalism in the Soviet Union not allowed to write down his ideas because the only writing utensils he had access to were made under socialism?

IDpol man IDpol is everywhere

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IIts not communist because calling the USSR communist breaks the narrative, you crooked hacks

muh no true Communism fallacy

How about paying Holla Forums a visit sometime to see what we actually talk about?

Well if the state owns the means of production then it isn't Communism.

If there's a state, then it isn't really Communism.

I did, and all I saw was a thread complaining that the board was dead compared to "muh idpol boogeyman!"

Communist == subscriber to communist ideology, member of communist party
communist == pertaining to the economic system of communism

I can see the source of confusion.

You are literally retarded

Fucking revisionists

hahaha

Not an argument.

Are you actually from Holla Forums or did you get lost on your way back to r/socialism?

>Porky Jews
Oh yeah, Holla Forums is actually, clinically retarded

Is it suddenly controversial that communism is stateless?

pfffhhhahahahaah Holla Forumstards actually think we are Democratic liberals

leave your cave once in a while you manchildren or read a book.

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National Socialism has nothing to do with socialism tho

Even Hitler, your an hero, said so.

It's controversial you're not making a clear distinction between communist society and communist political ideology. It'll just confuse people.

If the state doesn't control the means of production, then what exactly separates communism from a free market?

Free speech

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Democratic organization instead of private property.

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israel isnt nationalist?

you just went full goy
never go full goy

They own the property so long as it's in use- they can't rent or sublet unused property. They can't maintain control over effectively abandoned property.

That is incorrect. National Socialism was indeed a form of socialism. Hell, Stallinism could be considered a form of Civic-National Socialism

You idiots will never consider it though because Nationalism iz muh evur wasist!l

Literally being this stupid ….enjoy living in a cardboard box

Oh yea, Holla Forums is actually, clinically retarded

Dis nigga gets it

there is no jews behind the problems in the world
the system that the world use is outdated and corrupt to the core

IDPOL created by jews porky and turned back against porky

Lack of money, markets, or private ownership over means of production.

There is no ruling CLASS retard get a job a grow up child

Nazis called themselves socialist but were never actually socialist. Strasser sounded like a socialist but Hitler killed him.

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Or maybe you're dulling occam's razor and its more likely the kikes want to appeal to the broadest possible markets while lobbying in favor of Zionism. you know, things we have some leveraging evidence in favor of

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White nationalism just like black nationalism

BOTH ARE IDENTITY POLITICS

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not an argument faggot humans have agency

Nationalism does NOT equal "anti other nationality"

Nationalism = "Pro-your nation"

The fuck does that mean? Do you know what a class is?

Still idpol.

of course not
that repetitive spam you're responding to is likely a socialist that is against capitalism just acting like a retarded capitalist

im actually from leftypol

nationalism = my identity as a "any nationality here " should effect the political process

But there is a ruling race?

Yes. I don't see how this is a counter-argument.

Sp00ky

mm are you implying communist society is never going to be like political ideology? are you implying statelessness is unlikely or even impossible for more than temporary moments?

Where did i say there was a ruling race dipshit?

Identity politics are necessary because everyone was NOT born equal

Fucking SJWs

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You emphasized "class," implying there was a ruling something.

HEY THE FUCKING JEWS DID IT
see guys the fucking idiot jews blaming us sane people all the time

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okay buddy

let me show you a nation

What? Communist society is the result of the political ideology. The (pre-Khrushchev) USSR was Communist in the sense they were actively striving to create a Communist society.

some statists literally believe this
or they believe a combination of >everyone will suddenly become a risk taking murderer and thief and without power tripping police no one will ever do anything except break shit

We are not born equal i know that but is this inequality tied to your identity "skin color , sex , etc " or your own individual self ?

+SJW are THE idpol in the left

"Our culture is the best!"
t. every culture ever

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Wow, I thought being this idealist was reserved for SJW's.

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care to elaborate? i have time to discuss even if we disagree

Every time.

nothing
a communist and a capitalist society can live side by side and even intertwine in a free market

Fallacious argument, some cultures are superior than others. This can be measured objectively, if a culture promotes scientific, and industrial growth with minimal sacrifice (ie. European and Asian cultures) then it is reasonable to argue it is superior than African or Middle Eastern cultures

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This was a thread about shitty on your dead board, drone
And to think every race is equal is very much too optimistic. We know genes can affect a race or breeds behavior and this may indeed inhibit intellectual growth. You can see this in fucking dogs for fucks sake

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I'm just strawmanning you bruv. I know some cultures are superior.

Which is why I advocate CULTURAL REVOLUTION

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an unchangeable group?

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If that were the case then I could never leave my economic class.

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we arent dogs

okay so what is a class and how do you make everyone classless?

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Pointing out the fact genetic differences between different races and ethnicities exist doesn't prove nations or nationalism are anything more than purely conceptual. Comparing the first three charts to the last one depicting mean earnings by race is idealist in the sense that it implies the concept of nationality would be intertwined with biological race, and have tangible effects in material reality.

what if she just wanted to have kids and for her husband to work and she found a man that agreed? would she be "allowed" to work one of those professions instead?

You fail to invalidate my argument though,considering the principles remain the same

Commie retards actually believe this

This reminds me of fundamental creationists telling me microevolution does indeed happen but that this does not at all prove "Evolution theory" in the sense of all things related by a long process of natural selection.
"Nations" are smaller subgroups within each race. That some regions on the planet have had intermittent interbreeding does not disprove either races or nations. If you simply extrapolate the data of races and the uniqueness of families over generations then it is not only simple but irrefutable that there would be distinct groups within each race which can be called "populations" or "nations" or whichever configuration of squiggly lines called "letters and words" you prefer.

2 classes in capitalism:
-bourgeoisie: property owners. Do not need to work. Hire proletarians for profit.
-proletariat: own no property. Need to work to live. Work for bourgeoisie for survival.

Solution: replace private property with democratic organization of property ownership. Everyone gets a share of the labor and everyone gets a share of the profits.

Nazi retards actually believe this

Unfortunately not. More people in the workforce means less cost for labor power. Because of this it's in the best interest of capitalists to deprive people of means of production in order to get them to sell their labor.
If a communist and a capitalist society lived side-by-side, it's just a matter of time before capitalist forces destabilize or undermine the commune in the hopes its residents would leave and resort back to wage labor.

Humans are subject to evolution dummy

How do you achieve this without a period of authoritarian government redistributing and this giving huge levels of power for some persons to become the new bourgeoisie and delay the final transformation to statelessness?

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Congrats you've discovered the main point of division between anarchists and leninists.

So you don't believe communism would be stateless?
It seems you just said communism is defenseless against anyone that begins to show capitalist greed.

So everyone who owns their own home doesn't need to work!…..commies are fucking idiots

It really is the only way man. It will only work with a perfect monarch though like King Nebuchadnezzar II of ancient Babylon. There are many times in history where a monarch has ruled over his people and everything worked as perfectly as a governing body can. I think a monarch that is selected by the people at birth and raised to love the working class is essential really.

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do you own your own home if the government forces you to pay property taxes>

I'm not talking about your shitty little suburb house I'm talking about the people who own the megacorporations.

So you believe humans would work best under a hivemind and that ant colonies are ideal models?

The government owns the megacorporations, the large businesses could not be the megacorporations if they were not granted personhood.

Wrong way round bucko

I agree, but my point is the identity surrounding subraces/populations/nations are completely arbitrary. Take tribal societies in pre-Roman Europe, for example. The Germanic tribes identified with their direct communities and fought with each other constantly, despite them sharing the same ancestry, subrace, and haplotype. The only difference between barbarian tribalism and identifying with a "nation" is the latter includes a broader group of people.

the main point you have not addressed
primarily : personhood of non person entities

Pretty much true, if everyone in a communist system was basically the same and they all pitched in and got their worth back it would work out for real. People are not like that though, and no communist system has ever really been like that. There is always someone in power who has power and so they abuse it, but really that is the problem with every system. Really every system that people have used for the most part in history should theoretically work, but people always make it not work lol,

Elaborate

I'm a Marxist-Leninist, m8. A workers' state has to exist to safeguard the revolution before the conditions for its withering away can be achieved.

Then maybe that's what you should say retard…btw mega corps like oh the ones who build your computer/phone that allows you to have this discussion?

How much warfare there was or was not is knowledge you gain mostly from Roman sources, do you think that might be a conflict of interest?

The only difference between barbarian tribalism and identifying with a "nation" is the latter includes a broader group of people.
The latter might not include a broader group of people. There are some nations in the world dying out. Others are so large that regional variations can be meaningfully described. Even if what you said were true, is there a problem with dying for your family, your children or your cousins?

Anti-revisionism.

Would communism imply the abandonment of technological development?

finally a valid point

Corporations are special privileges given to businesses by governments. Remove government and they must compete. No bailouts. No special land ownership rights. And so on.

look at cuba for your answer

And look at Haiti for your capitalist answer.

The statelessness is achieved by first building up institutions that are separate and not indebted to government. Then the state becomes inefficient and redundant to what is.

Companies use massive wealth to lobby the government for favors in late capitalism. They really are a threat to democracy and must be abolished.

please stop shitposting

dictatorship
capitalist

so white societies are the answer?

diff discussion

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Muh no true capitalism

In that case, brown people are to blame for cuba being shit

FUTURE SO BRIGHT I GOTTA WEAR SHADES

Good point. But I do remember hearing some Asatru/Odinists say that the Germanic tribes were very warlike as well, and I wouldn't think they'd be on the Roman's side.

No, of course not. But at the same time I need to recognize that considering these people family is a conceptual relationship between me and them, not something bound in blood or woven into the fabric of the universe.

The family structure we're familiar with today exists because at some point it was the best (most profitable) fit for the conditions in the societies it originated in. As material conditions change, the way we interact and relate to each other change as well.

Capitalism is a system of ownership of property. "Capitalism" didn't build your phone, a combination of scientists, workers and technicians did.

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the nation is your extended family
are 1st 2nd 3rd degree cousins not cousins? what about 4th 5th and 6th?
people of your nation will mix a bit, it is not like it is mathematically possible for all your ancestors 15 generations back to be perfectly strangers and also of the same region

And they wouldn't have if they couldn't expect to reap the rewards of their efforts in a system of free exchange. Anti-capitalists are shitting on the system that enabled them to have these nice things in the first place.

Which is slightly beside my point, which admittedly I could have been clearer about: the PEOPLE were essentially owned under feudalism. To compare a feudal manor that owns you to a corporation whose products you can ignore and even shit on publicly with no repercussions is specious in the extreme.

no but a government does own you in a similar way as a feudal lord does
a government can effectively own many more people than a feudal lord and all his sons could ever hope to control

Laughably so, yes.

You mean they wouldn't have if their boss wasn't free to reap their rewards. Socialism is workers owning directly the results of their labor.

So your point is that it would be okay to mock people holding an anti-government rally while all waving iPhones around? I have yet to see one of those, personally.

Nice b8 but I ain't takin' it.

But again, that's completely arbitrary. If you grow up around someone, you're going to form a close bond with them. But "extended family" are only family insofar you accept society grouping you in with them. It's pure conception.

And anti-socialists are shitting on the system that enabled them to have nice things like penicillin, personal computers, the heart and lung machine, and man-made satellites.

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no im actually saying the opposite of that
like we discussed earlier in the thread about people in communist societies being pro capitalism using only goods that were made under communism

this isnt really advanced logic here - whats so hard to accept?

but again there is nothing arbitrary what i said
growing up with someone does not mean they are your family
i mentioned cousins not adopted brothers
your biological family, is that clear enough or will you deny biology altogether?

I'm sure it must feel so good for those workers to "own" the mines and factories and shit, even when they can't keep anything they make and the government provides for them whether they work or not.

Are you by any chance thinking of some kind of anarcho-capitalism and calling it "socialism"?

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I'm not denying biology, I'm denying being biologically related to someone is what makes you have a familial bond with that person.

Sorry, I used the term to mean someone you're distantly genetically related to but have little to no actual contact or connection to.

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Is this why Holla Forums wants to vote for Trump?

Are they white trash neets that are afraid Mexicans are going to suck up to their gibs?

the discussion was never if being distantly or closely related to someone makes them "have a familial bond"
the discussion was what is a nation
you said its arbitrary
im telling you genetically it isnt
slide goalposts, dont ever reply, or whatever
but youll know in your heart you are wrong and im done because its obvious when you try changing the topic like that

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en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homage_to_Catalonia
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooperative

unless you think that 60% of USA that is white non hispanic is all white trash, its impossible that "white trash" could elect trump

also
how naive

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So in other words, socialism (in which "the workers own the means of production") is a government-run labor camp where the current Lenin determines who lives and dies. Not exactly news to me.

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You showed evidence for the biological existence of race and subrace as evidence for the biological existence of nations.

I said biological race exists but nations were conceptual.

You said nations were an extension of family.

I said family was conceptual.

I'm not moving any goal posts, you're the one who brought up family.

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Fuck off faggot

That's what I said, Trump supporters don't even make 40% of the US population, and his ratings are plummeting day by day.

i told you family is those who are related to you
i told you i reject your ideas of "family" as anyone you live with
nation is an extension of that family im defining for you its as clear as day - im not responding to you in this line of discussion anymore because we are repeating ourselves and you are thoroughly wrong
family: those related to you
nation: extended family
those you grew up with; not family
those you feel are family but arent related to you; not family

i dont care for your denial of failure, nor will i rub it in your face, we are both anonymous
just stop spamming once you're wrong

guess he won win then

I didn't say it "doesn't work" in real life, it just doesn't work out the way you seem to think it does in your fantasy version of reality.

Can you literally not distinguish between fantasy and reality?
This is not a hard concept. It's only made complicated because I'm having to simultaneously argue against your imagination and reality, and they don't line up at all.

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Not exactly, it's more of a non-profit labor camp run by the laborers, for the laborers. Why would the community provide for you if you're not providing for the community? I thought capitalists were supposed to hate people who leech off the system.

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I buy my milk from one.

What fucking fantasy socialism? The one you made up?

Socialism = from each according to his ability, to each according to his ability
Communism = from each according to his ability, to each according to his need

Communism is purely speculative and in my opinion not possible until some kind of full automation and/or post scarcity.

i-is that Vivian?

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Yui and Alunya, I assume.

Funny thing is dindu is wordfiltered on leftypol

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Oh okay, when I hear "nation" brought up it usually comes with ties to language and culture, so I was unclear about the conflation between nation and race.

But again, it's still arbitrary.
If you're basing your familial identity on whatever group of people you happen to be genetically similar with, where do you draw the line? Why not go all the way and include all of humanity as part of your family? Why not embrace your genetic uniqueness and include only yourself?

Holla Forums is also competing for that title.

the center and closest direct relatives are most important
the image assumes theres no 4th/5th degree cousins ever coupled up
after several such layers of "distantly related" everyone in the nation is about similarly related to me
why wouldnt i value my close family most, my nation a lot, my race somewhat, humans that arent destructive towards me a little?
why wouldnt you?

glorious fence sitter

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my thoughts exactly.

thats what you're saying though
leftypol and pol are large boards full of diverse views

They're not nearly as large or diverse as you think. By chan standards, sure. But chans are dead. 4chan is the biggest one still, and it has seen a significant decline. For good reason, too.

you sound like you're just baiting for badfeels memes
how could the numbers of internet users decline?

But the nations "are smaller subgroups within each race," what's stopping you from also including larger portions of your race, or all of your race? Sorry if I sound like I'm repeating myself, I just don't understand why you draw the distant family line at that specific point.

I'm not sure if you're seriously asking what you're asking.

diverse, like how exactly?
they both hugboxes.

yes guise because 2000 people 70% of of them bots are the internet.

I don't think you know what that means

pardon me for being intelligent and not being baited by your bullshit
but either users of internet are declining or the users that previously used anonymous boards decided anonymity wasnt worth it and the number of new anons over time has dropped

so clarify yourself or act all smug while you're actually not very smart :^)

i dont draw a line
im not sure where you got the idea of any lines

"anonymity"

And those aren't the only possibilities. You're sperging about bait this and bait that. Maybe that's indicative of another problem?

you made a wide claim about user boards in general so there are no other possibilities
either anons value anonymity or they dont
please stop being so unintelligent…… oh im sorry i guess you're born that way

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but there is still libertarians on Holla Forums .

k

cool dubs you got there.

lolwut

Wolff and Resnick disputes this in a number of their books. They argues that forms of socialism can exist in conjunction with private property–they just may not be entirely stable though and have hefty reliance on subsumed class processes to maintain them. When you eliminate the distinction between surplus value producers and surplus value appropriators you have socialism.

No, that's their Socialism.

Ancap to them means private property, more violent property disputes, and more prostitution.

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lefties can't even make good memes

Given the militancy of everything nowadays, it's not so odd.

In fact, it seems like the only hope of preserving their ideals against the more polarized society.

You have to at some point, or else you can just include larger and larger swaths of the population by extending the degrees of relation that you consider them family.

yup like "true lies"

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