National Socialism and Political Ideologies

You're thinking of mercantilism. Capitalism and Communism are two sides of the same shekel.

Capitalist and natsoc are both incompatible with traditionalism.

They are both products of enlightenment christian cuck thinking.

Source. If no source, you're full of shit.

Term capitalism was coined by a jew called Marx you useful idiot. Don`t you even see that basis for your theory is controlled by jewish language?

You're painting with broad ideologically strokes. Marxists are deconstructionist materialists and are staunchly opposed to any form of 'absolute' human rights.

Rights are a liberal concept, but not a Marxist concept.

Traditionalist reading list:

Genealogy of Morals
Might is Right
Ride the Tiger
Way of Men

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Didn't ask for a copy and paste, I asked for a source.

Rights are bullshit regardless.

The only rights you have are those you secure for yourself with violence.

Your form of capitalism depends upon individualism, which is both anti-nature and anti-traditional. The concept of the individual is the foundation of all left wing perversions such as liberalism and Marxism.

The most natural is feudalism.

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Capitalism does nothing to address the unchecked breeding of genetic trash yet you have the audacity to call NS supporting parasites.

Oh fuck off. Wealth comes from work and basic technological improvements in which the Reich was outdoing the entire rest of the world.

Natsocs also created some central parts of modern lecher-welfare state, like child support,maturity leave etc.

National Socialism has nothing to do with "leeching" any more than a child leeches off it's mother. It's dedicated to cultivating the wealth in their blood and spirit. Capitalism makes people sell out their kin for a dollar and leads to shitty quality of life.

Good, not all women should be working. Kike unemployment is also not a bad thing.

Well gee when the entirety of ZOG is determined to end your sovereignty I guess we should just leave things up to the "razor efficiency" of the free market.

Feudalism was build on ruins of Roman empire. Feudalism marked the era of western decline.

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This is hilarious because this is exactly what FDR did after the great depression, but instead of investing in the military he created federal jobs.

If the 3rd Reich won they would've seen equal if not more prosperity than post WWII America.

You're right, but the religious perception of rights allows many individuals to fervently fight for them and worship them as the will of God. Which is great for stability and tradition.

Incorrect. You are confusing Marxism with postmodernism. Communism seeks the complete atomization of humanity along with the full freedom of the individual.

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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thanks for contributing absolutely nothing to the conversation

Rome was not individualist nor was it capitalist.

FDR was a jewish controlled socialist.
Why do you think he allowed Stalins band of rapists and bandits to rape&pillage half of Germany?

Rome was a military republic that would have collapsed without its market economy. Stop denying that all progress in history has been made by markets. Or have you forgotten already what your precious jewish socialism has cased on this world?

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So you support child support? Why do you want to encourage financially culture of single mothers?
Are you jewish perhaps?

Wut?

I meant that it's a nazi myth that Soviet soldiers were rapists. If you did that in the red army you'd be shot in the back of the head. It's the NKVD and Cheka Jews that were the mass rapists.

Nationalism is inherently collectivist. You can try and make a disjointed ideology of individualist and nationalist but it is not streamlined with many easily identified inconsistencies.

Calling Rome capitalist is ahistorical. I am sorry, but you are simply wrong. No economic historian would call Rome capitalist. The only people who would do that are those using the most watered down lolbertardian definition imaginable whereby any sort of trade between two parties is labelled "capitalist." Libertarians often only include the necessary conditions while leaving out much of the sufficient.

Once upon a time, there was a thing called socialism. Then Marx twisted the word into something it never was, and that ideology is what we "know" it as today. National socialism attempted to use the original definition of the word, but it lost the war and now the closest thing to it nowadays is syndicalism which isn't far right enough. The end.

Stop defending those subhumans.

National Socialism allowed for private institutions and property for an individual, had several gun clubs around the nation, and was very traditionalist.
Pic related, but whether how close to the truth is beyond me

Marx didn't coin the term, but regardless I was talking about the system, not the dictionary.

pick one

sage & report for retardation and D&C shill

dude ride the tiger lmao
like that furry german kid

Well, this thread is a direct request of what the original definition WAS so can we get some of that in here?

Remember! the entire point of Holla Forums is to bring the lurkers to understanding just to what bizarre lengths that they have been fucked.

There is a reason why socialism as ideology has form the days of its creation supported by the jews.

Rights are inherently a theological concept. The freedom expressed in Marxism isn't one based in "rights" but based on the notion that the freedom of the individual is the path to the (((ideal))) communist society.

“Materialism gives a true picture of the world, without any irrelevant adjuncts in the shape of spirits, of a god who created the world, and the like. The materialists do not await the help of supernatural powers, they believe in man, in his capacity to transform the world by his own hand.”1

1 Raymond S. Sleeper, ed., A Lexicon of Marxist-Leninist Semantics (Alexandria, VA: Western Goals, 1983), 168.

allaboutworldview.org/marxist-philosophy-and-marxist-metaphysics-faq.htm

you're not a traditionalist, fuck off. slide thread.

That's right, goy. It's us versus also us uh I mean them. Yeah, that's right. You've got to pick one of the two sides and fight against the other no matter what. You wouldn't want to be an anti-semite for trying to find a third option, would you?

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Not necessarily. Just look at globalism. Under globalism, everyone is a drone who lives for the greater good of the hive.

For the first time in a long time, this November will give Americans a clear choice on perhaps the most important issue facing our country and our civilization: whether we remain a nation-state that serves its own people, or whether we slide irrevocably toward a soulless globalism that treats humans as interchangeable widgets in the world market.

'-Jeff Sessions'

You mean Marxism-Leninism.

user. You know better than that.

Literally the same argument as not true communism.

I am sorry user, but Marx lied about what socialism was and others followed through.

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bad news…

Holla Forums is the exact same as Holla Forums if they hated the jooos

Nah, communism's definition was never lied about.

Every. Single. Time.

Read a book you nigger >>>/pdfs/
Here is one for you:
archive.org/details/GottfriedFederTheGermanStateOnANationalAndSocialistFoundation

De rien, m.

I don't know about Natsoc

I think it's better to just stay a Republic…

a NatRep…

NatRep?

NatRep.

Let's just call ourselves fascists and be done with it.

hi masons

you can have fascist republic, famo

Isn't that what Russia and China are?

user. I'm disappointed.

Well, don't be afraid to share some of that enlightenment.

"Sure, the Jew is also a human being. None of us has every doubted that. But a flea is also an animal, — albeit an unpleasant one. Since a flea is not a pleasant animal, we have no duty to defend and protect it, to be of service to it so that it can bite and torment and torture us. Rather, our duty is to make it harmless.

The same is true of the Jew."
lol — Link: archive.is/bI70m

Russia is a corrupt oligarchical shithole that puts on a air of "traditionalism" and "nationalism" to counteract the West's subversion, but is in no way fascist. Their entire country is owned by corrupt oligarchs, their economy is based solely on oil and natural gas, and they're actually quite multiculti. Putin has even outlawed antisemitism and holocaust-denial.

China is closer to being "fascist", but it's more of a quasi-commie nationalist society. It really is a bit of a quagmire, honestly. China is also heavily corrupt, but unlike Russia, they deal with it harshly and are trying to clean house. China's success as been built on whoring itself out to the globalist corporations and the financial elite, and is heavily intertwined in the modern global economic system - something a fascist state would try to overthrow/depose.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilpul
The Hebrew term pilpul (Hebrew: פלפול, from "pepper," loosely meaning "sharp analysis") refers to a method of studying the Talmud through intense textual analysis in attempts to either explain conceptual differences between various halakhic rulings or to reconcile any apparent contradictions presented from various readings of different texts.[1] Pilpul has entered English as a colloquialism used by some to indicate extreme disputation or casuistic hairsplitting.

Well stated. Putin is probably better than what we have for leadership (not saying much…), and I support him, but he is not the "savior of the White race", as I see people around here say.

pic related

There seems to be some misunderstanding about the NatSoc Germany's "social welfare" programs.

First of all, pardon me if i am to forget a detail or two, since i've studied this subject many a years ago, and i might fail to remember it.

The main point of Nazi Germany's economic policy was to "abolish the jewish influence in the economy", that is, removing the power that the great jewish bankers had on the country, what would be commonly called "emancipation of debt slavery". This has led to the adoption of a monetary system which isn't based on gold, nor it is a currency with imaginary value given to it. That policy is commonly referred to as "strasserism". You can find plenty of books related to this in our library.

That is the core, the additional measures were mostly temporary, like the "child support", which was nothing more than an incentive for mother to have kids, since it wasn't socially acceptable for the time to have kids out of wedlock, the single mother problem was a non-issue.

The only two "welfare programs" to be considered essential were the aid for the disabled, which is a better alternative to making quotas for them in industries, or simply letting them rot, and the controversial unemployment aid.

I would rather avoid discussing the unemployment aid, since it requires more of a philosophical and situational analisys, what would most likely be considered sliding.

Taking this into consideration, even if you are fundamentally against any kind of social aid, you should consider the ACTUAL economic plan, not the details, which can easily be neglected by our "new ideology".

NatSoc is a clear way forward for Europe. It allows for a paternalistic relationship of people, which allows for more solidarity and class cooperation.

That said, Americans are not a people, nor a race, nor a religion. The idea of America is a document, an agreed to set of rules of play. There would be no America without these rules in place.

Outside of Europe, I don't think 'blood and soil' nationalism would properly work. There has to be a new America based on a Roman ideal for any sort of Fascism to take root here.

A national identity can be "artificially created" from the ground. Most national identities in Europe originated that way. The biggest proof of this is that if you take your car and drive from Berlin to Hesse, you would notice little to no cultural differences. The same tactics were employed since the dawn of mankind.
do some research on integralism

Wankers, real Nazis spent their time in real life networking with other Germans. And busted the skulls of Communists.

White Nationalists are as National Socialist as Caitlyn Jenner is female.

Humans are tribal, you must secure the nation state first.

Then you can do whatever the fuck you want within your borders.

Nation states are too large to be effective tribes.

Nationalism is propoganda to keep people from dissolving into smaller tribal groups.

The traditional economic system of the West, particularly the US, is nationalistic mercantilism. Capitalism is Anglo-Zionist, globalist debt slavery.

Said it before I had to, thanks.

National socialism isn't "socialism"
As in, it's not about the rich giving to the poor, it's about the rich and poor helping out the rich and poor. see youtube.com/watch?v=-7c9tB77YdU

Shoot yourself. Goebbels was a god-damned genius.

So were the Allies who defeated him, do you think Churchill and FDR weren't running massive deficits that to this day haven't been fully paid off?

I believe in a republic, nationals must be required to bear arms. It's not optional.

At its founding, it did have a religion, and it's peoples were broadly North European. The same is true for most of the oversea colonies.

Hell, the only reason we haven't gone full Yugoslavia at this point is because we all spoke English and mostly had one religion up until the 1950s, and the central government has had the states and the people by the balls since 1865 and 1914, respectively.

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Pick two

Underrated post

Christianity, before it was eroded by leftist subversion, was the basis of Western tradition and morality for many, many years. You don't have to be religious to see the value in a set of moral guidelines by which to shape your life. The West is dying because Christianity has been slowly replaced with soulless materialism and degeneracy.

My Uroma was gang-raped by sub-human soviets, an officer stood in the room and held a gun to her 2 year old daughter, my Oma. This wasn't an isolated event, of course not all of the soviets rapped, some soliders tried to warn German women. But the soviets virtually promoted it, and turned a blind eye. So yes it did happen very often.

Actually I believe the spelling is raped not rapped.

The name national socialism was merely to attract the workers and their revolutionary spirit. The main focus of national socialists, economically speaking, is to substitute the gold standard with work standard, and to subvert the economy to the interest of the enation

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down the road faggot, remember that

LOL polite as always pol.

Hello newfag

If you’re a traditionalist American, go by the Constitution. There were fascistic elements to the beliefs of the founding fathers, but they weren’t fascists.

Reported.

is there a succinct total definition of what national socialism is somewhere that you could post or link me to?

sage

I'd say national socialism = Volksgemeinschaft
Were the "national" part linked to the "Volk" part and the "socialism" part linked to the "gemeinschaft" part.
One could also say that national socialism is "common interest before self interest".
"Blood and soil" is a term one hear quite often too.

I don't take the socialism in question to mean command-economies, central planning, or anything like that. It just means pragmatic national guidance, where possible, of the economy and society against an overall background of free market activity. E.g., the state should have a central bank (read about Hjalmar Schacht), rather than removing the state from the money system. It is a concept of "socialism" from an age which had a much more elaborate idea of laissez-faire

>read about Hjalmar Schacht
read about Gottfried Feder

With people like Jeff Sessions, Alabama has been made Great Again.
On another note, just read Mein Kamph OP, quit being a fucking faggot.

You will need propaganda to de program the retarded masses

Also read the doctrine of fascism. NOW!

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To give a simple example in support.

You would be free to engage in any mercantile activity you fancied. Making shit, selling shit, providing services, etc.

But if said activity damaged the people or the nation, you would be at the minimum facing considerable scrutiny if not an immediate outright ban on your activity.

Dennis Wise using it in his documentary doesn't change the fact that it's emo bullshit.

Converting you specifically doesn't matter.
Go fuck off, nobody cares about you that much.

That song is a meme.

You are truly unique, just like a snowflake.

How disgusting holy shit

Socialism always fails, calling it national socialism will not change it. Subsidising failure cuz muh volk is bluepilled as fuck. Collectivists GTFO my board.

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hitler was a nigger. we wuz kangz

LOL

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