When did you realize that the "White is just an American concept and has no meaning in Europe" was a pile of steaming...

B-but muh single out of context quote showing that Italian Fascism was not racialistic!

Yah, we all got WHITE bones, right!

jews bones just happen to make the best fetilizer

White didn't mean anything because Europe was 100% white for so long. It's like asking a fish to describe what water is without first throwing it onto dry land. Now that 10% of the population is nonwhite, whiteness is now a thing.

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OP can't inb4 you retarded cunt.

I'll give Americans that perhaps this is part of it.

not true

I've always said this. People took their racial identity for granted in Europe, while in America it was always evident to us when blacks were around.

if every one in the room has a red shirt you dont walk in and shout "I have a red shirt, people with red shirts are cool" that would be autistic

but when a bunch of people in butt flaps turn up and start shitting on the floor and attacking every one "these non-red shirt guys stink and are generally noisome shit dicks" yes now it makes sense to point out that there is red shirt and non-red shirts

Who ever said that pan-Europeanism needs to be about discarding our respective cultures and histories to stop the Judeo-Internationalist cabal plotting out destruction and expel the brown colonists poised to displace us.

People in Europe has never been color blind, the history of the continent speaks for itself.

Americans, all the time, because that's how they understand white unity.

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OMFG RAAACIST

Keep your libel to yourself, Yourop.

Unfortunately we never fully developed ethnic nationalism. many white Americans still hang on to their European ethnic identities as opposed to embrace and American Heritage which actually meant something at one time, now supposedly any one can be an American

op here,

I want White unity but I love German culture and French culture and don't ever want to see those cultures die out.

You have us all wrong.

the problem is that American now means anyone with American citizenship. American identity is getting less and less White by the year

No longer an option.

That's what I was pointing out.

Friend, either we hang together or surely we will hang separately

We have to push hard for recognition as the European American bloc of the nation. We are expected to be obedient patriotic Americans by the ruling elite, Whites being the economic and military backbone of the nation.

We have to stop seeing America as "us", you know? America is not us, anymore, at least. The sooner we know it, the better.

Yes it is. Anytime a topic about Eastern Europe comes up (and nowadays it's always Eastern Europe doing something based like building a border wall to keep the orcish hordes out) you get a ton of Western European cucks shitting on us for being "asian" or just "not white enough" or whatever. And you can't blame this on JIDF all the time because it's way too prevalent an attitude to be written off to shilling.

I don't care if Western European cucks think I'm Chinese, just fuck off with the phony white unity then, and we'll take care of our own while the west suicides itself.

So what do we do? I'm genuinely curious, I'm beginning to feel like there's no saving America as it is, we might have to burn it down and reinvent it.

OK I have never seen that. I view Poles as Europeans, as White people. I assure you that the vast majority of White people in America think Poles are racially Europeans.

I think you might be replying to trolls, actually.

Well we have to first of all assert our identity and our ability to organize our people above all else, that comes FIRST. Right now, every other group gets its own seat at the table, but Whites are bullied into silence.

That won't last. We're going to make ourselves known as a group. We are treated like a separate group, already, blamed for all problems.

The government literally scapegoats us with all the other groups. "O, poor Blacks, you are victims of racist Whites, here are your benefits".

We can no longer allow ourselves to be political tools like that. Fuck that.

Regional monarchies from the ruins, after a period of formation of post-collapse tribes and internal conflict.

One can dream, anyway.

you're thinking way too big and way too far away.

We can't think about setting up our own government yet. Any White Americans hearing you talk about a future White monarchy in North America will NOT take you seriously.

Your tone is important in this kind of thing. The media will try hard to paint you as a weird extremist, don't let them.

Having a white society again can be done, it just won't be easy.

of course, but start with small goals

First thing is asserting White identity. Don't bring up Jews or Hitler. Focus on unfair targeting of Whites. Push the message "why can they all organize but we can't?".

This is the way forward.

consensus cracking
someone is literally getting paid cash money to fuck with us

The major problem is that European Americans don't quite form a nationality of their own.

White America is actually made up of different regional cultures. The Yanks, Dixie, the Midwest, etc.

I'd also consider white liberals a separate culture as well.

We actually are a collection of different nations, all of whom share certain national myths in common but, much like Italy, I'm afraid America really is just a bunch of lines on a map.

Any attempt to create an authentic American nationalism is stymied by this problem. WNs try to get over it by making everything purely about race. But it only makes the problem even worse.

I'm dubious of the potential for a Pan-American nationalism, but I think it's worth a try. But regional nationalism, based around regional culture, I think would work better. Southern Nationalism I can see working, for example.

I'm both English and European/White.

Don't be such a petty bitch. Europe is a shithole and America will surpass us if Trump wins.

So where will your "Fascism" be then? While you sulk like a bitcn at Americans who are united by blood and soil…

America is still far better than any white nation in Europe.

And we've won every single war we've ever been in, which just goes to show how fucking strong we are a nation.

schizophrenic detected

I never said I'm fascist.

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So? My point still stands…

Ethnicity has been battered and now Race will rise and those who embrace blood over soil will be the victors of the day.

Literally nobody says this. At most, they urge Europeans to not fight among each other when the Islamic hordes are at the door.

I'm saying in general.

Besides, it's not logical to expect you to view this in the same lens Europeans view it. I don't want you to devolve into hyphenated Americans fucking with each other (not counting the shitskin-Americans, feel free to fuck with those guys).

But if you applied the same cultural lens Europeans applied, you'd have Iriish-Americans vs Italian-Americans vs WASPS vs German-Americans, etc ,etc etc

When I spent any time in Europe. It clearly has meaning, anyone can see quite quickly.

Yes good goy! Goose step with an SS uniform around your local area, don't allow the cucks and kikes to make you a kosher faggot.

Noone can understand the true threat of blackness to humankind until they see first hand the chaotic, moronic nonsense that follows negroes anywhere they exist in large numbers.

When you are surrounded by them you realize any type of behavior can arise any time for any reason. Their average cognitive abilities create a situation in which severe misunderstandings are the norm in any public setting. Their ability to maintain an advanced society without assistance is impossible long term.

what's it like being basically a thief for a living?

Every American victory has been a victory for leftism.

THIS

The guy you're responding to is illegitimately butthurt.

Unfortunately we Americans are easily riled up and easily used. I know it's easy to call veterans ZOGbots but they honestly believe they're fighting for their nation. That's part of the problem: they haven't realized there isn't a nation left to fight for. They'll figure it out eventually.

I believe the thread detailing Mark Cuban's jewish ancestry and offer to push him to run as a third party candidate just might be what this thread is sliding:

Was already in that thread

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The difference between 1950 and 2050 is that there weren't 4 billion niggers in Apefrica and elsewhere.

I'm not saying we should dissolve ethnic nationalism, but there has to be a realization that a European American and a German have more in common than a nigger or spic or mudslime, or Asian.

underrated post

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Blood of my blood, I die for thee.

We Americans use "White" to mean European because the meme of 'anyone can be an American, goy' got pushed so far on to us that we don't even call ourselves American now because it's slapped on to any fresh off the boat spic or nigger - they literally made it meaningless. So instead of saying European-American, African-American, Mexican-American, etc, etc, we say we're White because our ethnic identity (American) has been ripped away from us, so all we have left is our racial identity.

but das racist

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This.

I never hear white people refer to themselves as "American" but the media still uses it to masks the shifting demographics and make generalizing blanket statements saying "Americans agree that/tired of/are in favor of" to trick people into believing most whites agree with liberal policies when in reality it's non-whites being polled on their positions which are then reflected on us

This,

When Whites hear 'Americans' they think 'Whites' subconsciously.

White is not just an American concept but an Anglo-European concept in which Anglo's put themselves on top of racial hierarchy while the rest were beneath them, including various Germanic speakers.

Italians and Meds in general were not allowed to Immigrate to US because "not white enough", this "whiteness" was measured in Anglo-European context.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Franklin

dialoginternational.com/dialog_international/2008/02/ben-franklin-on.html

On the Germans:

tl;dr the founding fathers thought anyone that wasn't of English descent was no better than a nigger

Whether someone was German or an Native American, it didn't really matter because they weren't white.

Do you always out yourself as a shill in the first post you make, or is this a new thing you're trying today?

This is not fucking true

The fact that Franklin was anti German is not proof of that. Europeans have thought of themselves as White. Yea, some people like to say some Europeans are "more White", whatever.

Irrelevant.

I never bought into it in the first place because I'm European

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MY GODDESS BEAUTY

MY WAY IS TRUTH

MY BLOOD IS WHITE LIKE THE LIGHT!

ok cool

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It's true in US context because White was an Anglo concept which only applied to English. Later to Germans and Western Europeans and eventually to Italians and other Meds.

Americans eugenics played important role in shaping who were allowed to Immigrate to US, only Western and Northern Europeans were welcomed in early 1900's.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics_in_the_United_States
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1924

According to Americuck census today even Arabs and North Africans niggers are considered "White". So, Americuck whites are literally degenerates considering we don't know what % of European-Americans make up "white american" population who are unmixed.

Non-Anglo-Europeans din't need it. Ethno-centric nationalism was defined by langauge and culture and not "whiteness" because there were no non-whites living among Europeans unlike today.

There was some "racial purity" awareness during Eugenics movement but it was limited to ethnic identity (ex : germanic and latin etc) not "white" race.

that's the census you annoying troll,

why are you bringing up this bullshit from the 18th century? jesus christ, how pointless

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Maybe because it was their goddamn fucking country? I wouldn't want to live surrounded by a bunch of wops or even Germans for that matter, white or no.

This is exactly the kind of degenerated, meaningless "white" identity that only causes more problems than it solves anyway.

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you know it's pasta, right?

It hurts to live

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bamp tho

He looks like Romanian granny ready to pick a fight.

I was pretty much always aware of that because we Europeans are getting attacked as white man: the enemy sees us as white men and attacks us as white men.

In case any fellow German disagrees with me - he should just google "weißer mann" (white man) or "alter weißer mann" (old white men) and see how many thousands upon thousands articles explicitly attack white men as white men and the white men world wide.

You're rather simple minded, aren't ya

This pasta need to keep being posted. I'm serious.

I'm American and even I understand.
Nationalism is the most important thing to think about.
I don't think of Europeans, Canadians or Australians as "brothers".
I only care my own people on this soil.

I don't want any immigrants of any kind here, whether they be shitskin or European.

I get boiling mad when an American white girl gets raped by shitskins, but I don't give a shit when a European woman gets raped by kebab because it's not my problem.

Muricamongrels never cease to amaze me.

Then get the fuck out of here, you disgusting faggot.

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Big fucking surprise.

Must be pretty lonely with that opinion, seeing as how not a single American racialist organization worth noting agrees with you.

Never, that's why Adolf Hitler's personal rail was called Amerika. The Whites are here faggots.

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Wannabe jews are not Aryan.

bamp tho>>5995919

sage

what is sage?

bump fo mo fam

Agreed.

when did you realize that Jew as just an inbred cult member concept you fucking inbred kike?

sage

Underrated post. Even if you don't see yourself as white, you're too much of a special snowflake or whatever, the globalists who want to flood you with niggers most definitely see you as white.

op here, I agree with the post.

Why saging, foo?

Weird ADL payed troll to discredit antisemitism and White interests detected

It always starts out with a bunch of slavs hating on western Europe and our cultures. Why should we support you if you hate us and resent us?

Slavs are understandably butthurt. For a long time, western Europeans tried to classify Slavs as Asians.

They're still White and they're going to be attacked by the same anti-White totalitarians who want Europe to be full of Africans and Muslims, so we have to unite with them.

Just don't get butthurt when Slavs respond to anti-Slav crap. Most nationalists today are not anti-Slav idiots, but a few still are. We have to understand Slavic concerns.

Never, because I actually know the history of the continent.To me this thread just serves to underline how isolated Americans are in their vision of the world and how bat shit insane it is.

You really commonly think racial theories were pioneered in USA? Really?

Ya, sure.

It's always the Slavs that start talking shit. Uh huh… Cretin, how naive do you think people can be? This isn't an all-American board.

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Literally the SPLC

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I think you take this site and its users a little bit too serious.

There might be some differences between western Europeans/Mediterranean but considering a big part of European culture started around the Mediterranean I doubt this actually means a lot. I personally don't see any difference between Eastern/Western Europeans. Maybe traces of dna from old invasions that struck the east and not the west. But besides that I know plenty of poles/hungarians/… who look exactly like me.

Russia, Turkey and Morocco are like the borders of the (old) hegemony.

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Slavs hating on the west first? Bullshit. Most Eastern Europeans look at the west as the cooler older brother with all the hedonism and money and hollywood. tbh its kinda embarrassing sometimes.

THIS

While I don't wish anything bad for Slavs or even dislike you, it's important to realize that there is a divide. We are targeted for genocide, while you are not, that should be pretty obvious. Putting aside the who's white or not, we are different peoples with different characteristics. If you're not being flooded with kebab by the Jews who control your societies, well I'm glad for you, but that's really no help to us.

I think you burgers have to realize that America can't be saved as a unity, not even on state levels. There are lots of good people in America, I have relatives who immigrated there a hundred years ago myself, but you do have a bigger problem with bad original stock, miscegenation and more.

The USA has to go, and that tears at many burgers heartstrings, but the quality minority can be great again.

Slav governments are being intimidated by the EU, too, they're just not doing what they're told.

We need to see Slavs as our allies. Slavs will be fucked if the west with nukes becomes 100% controlled by Arabs and Afros. White globally have to cooperate against this shit.

Also, there are some Muslims and Africans in places like Poland and Hungary, just less. Let's hope it stays less.

OP & I'm American here, you're right about this.

What?

What Heritage? Multi-culturalism?

British culture is multicultural too by that logic. Scotland, Wales, England, Cornwall.

Blanda upp Englander

Goose stepping in an SS uniform makes you anything BUT a kosher faggot, you filthy PR-concern kike faggot.

I'm not buying that. The Jews took over eastern europe way before the west and put their hooks in deep. The somewhat vague "they just up and left" implication that many here seems to have falls a bit short with me. In essence, their governments are completely corrupt, just like ours, so when they don't have to be flooded with kebab, somethings up with that.

I have no problem at all with this. But I'm extremely skeptical about this "we're all and the same now" thing that is being pushed. I've traveled extensively in Slav countries and found Adolfs analysis that we are pretty incompatible people when it comes to mixing and living together to be spot on.

But beyond that, I've nothing against Slavs. Having normal based Slavs as allies is fine. I would have to think good Slavs are proud of their own people too, and feel no need to be lumped in as a subset of ours.

The US actually has the fucking motto, E pluribus whatever. It's literally the cradle of multi-cult crap.

it's because the people are more nationalistic and poorer, what else is there to think?

E pluribus unum=one alliance of 13 colonies.
Not saying the US doesn't have its fair share of disgusting multicult history, but you're a bit ignorant.

All europeans are your countrymen. The UK to Italy to Russia are all founded on thousands of years of greco roman Western civilization

I don't love Slavs, but we don't have the luxury to pick and choose now. Slavs are relatively decent people.

We don't have the luxury to choose not to ally with them. We're not all the same now, but when all of our cultures are endangered as fuck, there's a real risk.

Even Poland has low as fuck birthrates and who knows if in 30 yrs Poland decides to invite lots of nonWhites in. Anything could happen at this point.

careful, you'll anger the petty nationalists who want to world war 3 over crimea

That the Jews that took complete control over their societies and massacred the mostly aryan aristocracies during the bolshie times, actually never left?

Sure, as I said, allies are always fine. And many Slavs are pretty wise to what is going on. But they will put their own people first, so don't rely on any help from them.

Sounds like you never traveled to East Germany, Even after the billions West Germany dumped into it, it's still known for Soviet style mismanagement

No it is 'Out of many, one', which is further supported by the symbolism surrounding it.

You're the ignorant one here, Clappistani.

I don't know if you're delusional. There are no Jews in high positions of power in eastern Europe. The Polish government for one is almost entirely Polish.

Also

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fuck off jew

where are they then?

nice shitpost, shlomo

ok dumbass

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Sage, because OP invented bullshit out of nothing.

Oh, wait, YOU’RE OP. Reported, then.

It's not bullshit for the fundamental reason that "white" Americans are at best Euromutts in general, mostly northern Euromutts, so that means that on an ethnic level, they can at best place their allegiance on some sort of more generic ethnic label.
Since the English-German combo is the most widespread, it tends to be exclusive of the more exotic European groups with less representation in the US like southern Euros or Slavs.

fucking OP-ophobe

please elaborate

well it seems fairly straightforward
a German for the most will at least put his allegiance on Germans and "Germanness", he doesn't really need to have more pan-European feelings
same thing goes for a Spaniard, an Italian, a Swede, etc…

on the other hand, while single Americans might be able to fully trace their ancestry to only one of these European countries, overall the Euro-American feeling is more encompassing because of how white Americans are mixed with each other
most American whites are not ancestrally from a single European country

I mean it's hardly justifiable being pro-German and not more pan-Euro encompassing when you are 50% German, 25% Brit and maybe the rest Swede with some Pole and Italian in it.

OK, OP again here

I'm half German, actually. I of course feel a deep love for Germany above all other parts of Europe. BUT I think that caring about all of Europe is important too.

Germany matters above all. But honestly, should these really tiny nations be independent? Nations should be large enough to defend themselves. Ethnically related nations like Estonia and Finland should unite. Estonia being its own little thing is kind of dumb.

We live in an age of superpowers, not city states.

d&c shill/10

I do think that Americans pushing for pan-Europeanism out of necessity is good on a level even just because Europeans need to stick together in hard times but also bad since we all know how it is, most of the times is pan-myspecifickindofEuropeanism more than just simply pan-Europeanism, and alienation occurs.

In my experience Americans are at the same time the most pan-Europeans and the most European d&c peoples on the internet.

The goal isn't real pan-Europeanism. It's redefining "Western Civilization" to be an explicitly racial construct. A unifying civilizational marker. The Romans had this idea of the "Togated People" who shared a similar set of customs in their dress, craftsmanship, et cetera and it was these things that denoted a shared civilization. A shared civilization does not mean a shared society. The early arch-nemesis of the Romans, the Etruscans were one of the Togated Peoples.

We can recognize that the whole of Europe and its' former colonies that were actually founded and populated by European racial stock constitute a single civilization. The goal isn't specifically a pan-European superstate which is impracticable. It's just an acknowledgement of our shared ancestry and that were all members of a single extended racial family.

On the actual topic of the OP from what I can tell it was the Portugese who first started making these distinctions of Europeans as "Whites" and others as non-white. Later adopted by the Spanish, and then later the French, English and Dutch. Basically every colonial, or seafaring European power adopted these distinctions. The notion that "Whiteness" comes from America is an example of European ignorance and susceptibility to Soviet propaganda in which "racism" was invented in the USA and American views being especially peculiar instead of being more or less in line with European intellectual strains.