Where did most former users leave to?
Where did most former users leave to?
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This… and 4chan
As ridiculous as the mods of 4chan can be sometimes, it's really not much different than Holla Forums with it's self-appointed mods (of course I'm referring to Holla Forums when it was still relevant).
General users have gone to one of many divergent chans or back to 4chan, or no more chans at all. Pedos have gone to Libre. Infinity Next chan, intl chan and Polish Holla Forums are options.
Holla Forums is like animal farm. A resurrection made in the promise of new laws and a better life, only to fall into a pit of perpetual hypocrisy that doomed it to the fate it was made to avoid.
No IP logging, the kike said, yet now users can't even TORpost.
Holla Forums will be free, we all said, but the mods are all faggots who do stupid fucking "joke bans" and we have a godawful case of 4chan's presence here.
Pedos can post too, the kike said, but now even the smallest hint of lewd is a bannable offense.
In the end, Holla Forums just turned to 4chan with a "make your own board" feature.
I'm starting to realize that Holla Forums isn't that great, sure, it's better than 4chan but that isn't really saying much. You come here to avoid SJWs only to deal with hardcore /pol/ faggots. Go to 4chan to avoid /pol/ then you get the SJWs.
I just wanna shitpost without all of that.
the only fucking difference between 4chan and Holla Forums is the color
please go stupid pedo
I mostly agree with this; however, applying Anarchist ideology to an imageboard was doomed to fail from the start.
What we ended up with – especially as the traffic began to decline – was a situation where pathological spammers were able to derail any thread they felt was subpar to their autistic standards (this is what I meant by "self-appointed mods"). And by the time the administration woke up to the fact that it was a sinking ship, it was already submerged; at which point, Jim decided to impliment regulations that drove away the only anons who were keeping Holla Forums afloat (the pedos).
In the end, for me, it was actually a fascinating experiment in Anarchism that spectacularly failed. Anons refused to acknowledge the fact that they had a facile perception of "freedom", and this underdeveloped notion of freedom ended up creating nothing more than chaos. But I suppose I shouldn't have expected anything more, due to the fact that Holla Forums has always essentially served as 4chan's autistic penal colony (albeit with a slightly higher IQ)
I will miss the dialogue that was certainly more elevated than the typical knuckle-dragging drivel that you find on 4chan. And unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be an adequate alternative – Reddit has some great boards for Academic discussion, but it doesn't create the feeling of real-time social interaction that somewhat compensated for my lack of a social life.
Oh well… on the bright side, I did start to become more productive.
I can't spend more than 10 minutes on most 4chan boards without getting fed up with the userbase. Too many newfags, normalfags, and shitty overused memes. I'll never go back.
I've had some decent conversations on /mu/, but unfortunately, when conversation veers in the direction of a social critique of an album/genre, it's shamefully one-sided – if you analyze an album's themes under the guise of "social consciousness", it's acceptable, but if you lambaste SJW themes as being inherently divisive and illogical, you're often labeled a bigot (which often leads to a ban after I'm triggered to the point of saying that the Jews and Niggers should all be gassed lol)
In the end, Holla Forums just turned to 4chan with a "make your own board" feature.
With the added bonus of this not really working to get away from boards that aren't liked, as well as having a fraction of the users (which IMO is a plus in most cases but it's a little too low)
I'm sure jimmy boy logs shit and seems shifty as fuck, so the gook at 4chan is on the same level. the software is shit in comparison to yotsuba. I'm personally still around for a few niche boards and a less cancerous userbase (although over the past 6 months I've noticed some serious symptoms of newfaggotry and redditors). There's some threads and subcommunities here that I couldn't find on 4chan and if I did they would be riddled with even more faggotry. The mods here also don't seem quite as subverted as 4chan.
Personally for me I'd really just prefer a little more speed. I could just not be a faggot though and only visit the site once a week. That and most threads being subject to this endless, black and white political diatribe is fucking tiring. All things considered 8ch is quite a bit better to me than 4chan.
Part of the ship, part of the crew
Aside from the excessive moderation on 4chan, the fact that the userbase is mostly comprised of High-School/College students effects the quality of the dialogue.
During it's peak, I would estimate that the average ages on Holla Forums was 20-35 (20's-50's, if you count the pedos) – and even the younger people weren't your typical sheep, and usually mentally ill, so at least that made it a bit more interesting.
that was 2014, now is just shitpost,spam shitpost spam b8 b8
Actually,I had good convo's on here the last 3 nights.
We just need about 50 more shitposters and we would be good.
tbpchan.net is where nobody went to
but mostly fagged off back to halfchan
the only fucking difference between 4chan and Holla Forums is the color
I've had that opinion since when I came here.
Only now 4chan has users and this place not.
Also most being sick of cuck4ch prob went to masterchan for times they need to discuss stuff with many people
we just need about 50 more shitposters
8/b/ was the closest thing I had to a social life before the handful of spammers began to derail it; at which point, anons began to leave in droves. And on its best days, it actually felt like a group of friends hanging out.
For me, Holla Forums is the only board on Holla Forums which is actually worth saving, and if anons would use it for truly random dialogue that goes beyond "duuuh, Holla Forums was never good, and it's for muh shenanigans", it could be a pretty cool "community".
I pretty much fucked off to /fit/ and /n/ in the meantime myself. Holla Forums used to be entertaining, but fucking hell the spammers got super annoying.
/pol/ and /v/.
I find it amusing you talk shit about anarchism will entirely disregarding the centralized reasons for the failure of this board, let me list ones that made me stop investing my quality time into this shithole
-endless calls for patience with the times you can't post which at one time meant no webm viewing or posting for 90% of the userbase
-calls to use the now fixed claims system, three unique times to my count, and COMPLETELY no fix to it, I got a reply or two to some claims only to have boards I either created or heavily posted at to be taken by new BOs who…. Went inactive usually within a few days sometimes without even logging in according to the claims page
-obvious and blatant massaging of pol By BOs picked by admin of 8ch
-first creation of leftypol then b 2,0 mirroring on it
The political agenda of site host is not anarchy
-the top 25 debacle that both killed smaller boards when we had the user count to have top 100 active boards AND removal of it (as opposed to modifications of the default) once our top 30 included one post a week boards or porn boards with one or two Anons uploading their personal porn
-similar problems with b and n as were with pol but even though it was the same tactic and same personalities cycling in the admin claims that the admin had the right to have "neutral" boards
It's a good theory that Holla Forums was both used to catch Pedos on b and dilute political Internet discussion by fbi like organizations
I've. Seen political alternatives for months now that don't reek of the same suspicious shadow agendas
I've seen random boards that aren't Pedro or porn spam
8 chan failed due to these authoritarian flaws and the less power the admin had here the more retarded they acted with remaining userbase
spammers got super annoying
Due to the fact that many anons ended up on Holla Forums because of negetive experiences with excessive moderation on 4chan, their thoughts regarding what constitutes effective moderation became polarized. I've had countless debates about "free speech" during my time on Holla Forums, and many anons couldn't seem to understand the fact that they were simply enabling people who's sole purpose was obviously to attention-whore or destroy the board – yet they continued to support it under this half-cocked notion of "free speech".
This is incontrovertibly what destroyed Holla Forums. And like many political positions, it's only after the damage has been done, when the evidence becomes clear.
Don't mind me; just here to spread the good word of the Brown Pill.
/mu/ has always, always, ALWAYS been a board full of nigger lovers.
It's probably the single most "urban" board on either chan. Stay the hell away if you actually like music instead of just liking BBC.
All we need is 25 pages on b and bans to real spammers that post porn and garbage just to spam, use 10 replies page 10 feature which I don't like or limit threads per hour to make it easier for mods to catch spammers before they flood board at non peak times especially
Then fuck off and let the userbase decide what is posted instead of banning political discussion or sweep banning a meymey because a mod personally dislikes it.
25 pages is needed for b
Except you're full of bs
We have in the code of 8ch methods to deal with spam on popular boards some more useful than others
We all know who is shot posting to destroy s board when they do it and with these methods activated a single mod could arguably run a successful b that is twice as large as the biggest b ever was on 8ch
Instead you got guys like yourself saying the mods should do everything, even if it were a good idea which it is not, we don't have the capacity for 24 hour multiple mods.
You haven't made a case for what polarized ideas of free speech are. Do you think hate speech is not free speech or that unpopular opinions need censorship?
In the end, for me, it was actually a fascinating experiment in Anarchism
This pretty much. I doubt I'll forget all the crazy shit that happened on this chan during the best days and have chosen to remain cautiously optimistic.
Holy fuck Reginald am I glad to see you, you forgot your pasta though.
Interesting that you essentially feel it was the opposite of what I postulated.
The reasons that you listed are clearly from the perspective of someone who was more than a "casual user". And while you're grievances are certainly legitimate, I think you're failing to analyze the situation from the perspective of the casual users who make up the majority of Holla Forums; users who come to Holla Forums, see a flood of spam, and simply leave.
I think there is some wisdom to glean from Anarchist ideology, but when you apply this ideology in its unbridled form, to a privately owned imageboard full of literal mental patients, it's not going to produce positive results. And I think if you're actually trying to argue that the whole "spam is free speech" thing wasn't an integral part of why this board is now virtually dead, you were probably part of the problem, yourself.
I finally got a fast enough internet connection to make spreading the good word feasable again. The fact that posting .webm's, and kind of posting anything, was rendered basically impossible the past eight months sort of made it impossible to Brown Pill boards, hence my absence.
I've been getting bans like a motherfucker lately though. Shame the fucking bans page doesn't work anymore, not nearly as fun when you can't see the fruits of your labor
Shit man this website's held together with elmer's glue and chewing gum
You're like those proponents of Trickle-Down economics who, despite the evidence that has shown it to be ineffective, say that we didn't apply enough "freedom" to the free-market. Or Communists who use the excuse that a particular implimentation of the system wasn't as perfect as The Communist Manifesto, but if it was, it would be AMAZING.
we have a code
That may be true… but it obviously was not effective.
saying the mods should do everything
misrepresenting my position
There needs to be a happy medium (inb4 you invoke a slippery-slope fallacy). I'm saying that this militant, often childish approach to free-speech produced the opposite effect in many ways – this is largely due to the fact that Freedom is merely a construct of the imagination, and doesn't exist in the first place.
Btw, no, I do not agree with this idea that there should be stipulations in the constitution (or whatever) for "hate speech" – this is SJW propaganda. Period.
Having that said, you cannot walk into a private establishment and start shouting over people, nor can you incite violence. There are stipulations, and if you literally think that you are (or should be) free to say whatever you want to say, whenever you want to say it, then you either haven't thought this through, or you're just a but juvenile.
Oh look. It's an antifaggot who thinks that words they don't like is justification for mob stabbing people.
Let me tell you how that's going to turn out. Pic related.
Figured the recent series of events might have slowed you down, just got this funny feeling of continuity from still having the b-pill around. That stuff still nasty, but the dedication is undeniable.
All of the reasons you cite are petty personal gripes or a persecution complex gone delirious.
The text is crammed with pretentious waffle, e.g.the centralized reasons for the failure..three unique times..political agenda of site host is not anarchy et al.
You're clearly a poltard upset that other opinions get an airing here and who started and then lost a few failed boards.
It's a good theory that Holla Forums was both used
Here you lose the pedals altogether. Nobody here is even remotely dangerous or subversive enough to have attracted more than passing mirth from alphabet agencies, least of all /pol/.
I've. Seen political alternatives..I've seen random boards… these authoritarian flaws
Da Joos have sheckled my sides. Without the comic relief from /pol/, Holla Forums would be worse than waterboarding.
without the comic relief from /pol/, Holla Forums would be worse than waterboarding
Unless you're on a Reddit board that is meant for strictly academic discussions, comic relief is essential. Unfortunately most people take themselves way too fuckin seriously these days, and so they allow the most ridiculous things to trigger nuclear amounts of assblast – usually responding in a risibly disproportionate fashion.
Nigger, Holla Forums is dead because of two things
autists spamming the entire BOARD
There's nothing wrong with Travis posting or dub checking in a thread you don't like because its a self sustained community and if your thread is getting Travis'd that obviously means it's a shit thread. In other words, consumer demand runs the market.
I don't think spamming is censorship as much as it is boycotting. We can't let 4chan faggots think they're welcome here and we need to let people know we don't personally put up with shit like YLYL.
I feel feel like there are two edges to the double-sided blade that is Holla Forums.
The shit eating grin
The chin-rubbing talker
The shit eating grin goes in Holla Forums to have a laugh on a bad day. And not shitty YLYL threads, I mean they go around writing really good b8 just to get funny reactions from people. Or start raid threads and collect the salt and post it on the thread. Or sometimes if Holla Forums itself is being shit, they'll fuck shit up over here too.
The chin-rubber, in the other hand, just comes here for serious discussion without needing to censor themselves for the sake of polictical correctness or having it traced back to them.
Both are fine. In fact, despite being mostly a shit-eating grin, I also come here every now and then for chin rubbing.
The problem here is that there are people who cling to just purely one edge of the blade.
You'll notice that serious discussion threads were rarely spammed with scat, gore, or Travis. (Unless some kind of raid was happening)
I feel like people who were pure chin-rubbers didn't want the shit-eating grin here at all and that's where rulecucks come from.
People who don't want us doing ANY raids, baiting ANY threads, and sometimes, in severe cases, no dub posting.
Whenever they see threads they didn't like, their solution was always
make up a new rule
just say the thread is shit and leave
And in the end, their constant encouragement of doing nothing led to the destruction that caused Holla Forums to become 4chan.
And then you had the extremist shit-eaters. The ones who would spam every thread, spam the entire board with "fish fish fish fish fish", post CP.
These caused the people standing a little more on the chin-rubber side to leave. They no longer had a place here, it seemed.
And when the chin-rubbbers left, the shit eating grin realized there was basically no one left to bait and the extremist shit eaters didn't seem too interested in raiding places outside of its own board.
All that was left was 4chan.
So in other words
4chan came here
we spammed their shit threads
rulecucks said "nooooo you're just making more chaos"
so 4chan felt accepted and stayed here
retards spammed "fish fish fish fish fish fish" on Holla Forums to "clean" the board
people wanting serious discussion left
people coming here for fun and laughs thus had no purpose
Look, I get it. A community that enforces "no laws" is inherently trying to enforce an unenforceable law. If there are people absolutely trying to make sure a place is lawless, then they are enforcing that law. And when there is just absolutely no law, people will be enforcing their own laws.
That's why I have no problem with just "self sustained communities". A free market. If a thread is deemed shit, it is up to all parties to act on their will towards it. If your thread is being Travis posted, it obviously had no place in the community and you should therefore find somewhere else to post it.
I think it's ridiculous to expect a place for fun, laughs, and just random content to be so civil. There is no place for that here, shit threads must be punished.
Now, that's not to say I believe there should be absolutely no rules here. For instance, I don't think ONE person should be allowed to singlehandedly take down a thread, that's not acting for the majority, that's acting for you.
And then rulecucks laugh when someone gets banned for a ridiculous reason and the say they deserved their ban. That's acting for your own personal benefit.
Overall, Holla Forums has just become cucked to the point where people feel like they've lost control all over. They won't take self initiative and instead rely on "more rules" to fix things.
shit threads must be punished
By getting no replies and an early 404. The idea that compulsive travisfag(s) and the banana brigade should arbitrate between good threads or bad, leave alone dictate which content survives..kek. kekkety fucking kek.
if it's getting spammed, that means it's shit
You dont seem to realize that you're just as much of a "rulecuck" as anyone, you just disguise it with promises of "freedom" (an Anarchist is usually just autocrat in disguise). The fact that one single user can take it upon himself to derail any thread he does not like is a problem. And if you can understand that, you are literally fucking retarded.
There are some parallels to real-world politics, but to a large extent, most comparisons are superficial false-equivalences. This is a privately-owned website – it's akin to private property, dipshit.
we can't let 4chan faggots think they're welcome here
Whom do you think comprises the vast majority of the user base here? Lol. Don't like a thread? Fuckin ignore it!!!
As I read the rest of your post, I realized that you partially agree with my previous statements; nevertheless, we obviously have different perspectives on how to approach things. For an example…
I don't think one person should be able to singke-handedly take down a thread
Yet this is what happens – especially during the hours when traffic is low.
more rules to fix things
If you see something being posted over and over and over and over again (whether its the same exact post or iterations thereof)… fuckin ban the faggot. It's really that simple, and I think you're overcomplicating the shit out of it.
akin to private property, dipshit.
and? Jim 'owns' Holla Forums's domain name and servers. if you come here often, you'll have noticed that he hasn't much influence on the content.
Whom do you think comprises
ouch. credibility rating approaches zero
what happens –
is that 1 guy can spam the catalogue to oblivion when the mods are asleep (like today), or one guy, in a paroxism of boredom, loneliness and faggotry, will crash every single thread just because he can.
If you see something being posted over and over and over and over again
So why do you come on Holla Forums?
I don't like seeing shit threads being posted, so therefore I post Travis and Bateman. If other anons join along, they obviously don't like the thread either and we will be rid of it.
The issue with just ignoring threads is that it never fucking works. We had a smaller 4chan exodus not too long ago. People were posting YLYL threads and turning the place into their personal fucking blog while other cucks join the thread along with them thinking they've found good company here on 8/b/.
Its like that image with the Redditor on /v/. He makes shit threads about Skyrim and Portal 2 only to be copypasta'd and dub posted. Just as he's about to leave, he finds a thread just for him and he think he's in good company on /v/ and decides to stay there despite those troll hipsters saying he has shit taste.
durr hurr its a private company
Okay? It still enforces minimal approach to the rules and I think its the duty of the owners to respect that. They have full freedom to change it any time they want, but that means they are no longer respecting what Holla Forums what was made for and it would turn Holla Forums into a shit community like Reddit.
Consumer demand does very much so have a relevant analogy when it comes to how Holla Forums should be managed
You're cucks to the rules. You bend over and ask for more, more and more. The same reason 4chan fucked up is because of you. You have no problem with excessive authority on fucking Holla Forums of all places. You're just grateful to have a place to shit. No standards, just lure fucking autism. Disgusting.
And again, don't think I'm asking for a lawless place. I'm not. In fact, I pretty much only go on /v/ and /r9k/ these days, and those boards are pretty strict but that's just so they can fulfill their own purposes.
I think that barth22 fag should be banned, actually. Posting that same damn pointless thread serves no purpose. Had he posted it once, I would not be complaining.
Anyone who says anything other then 4chan, reddit and the pedos to Librechan are shills and liars.
I think most of the cancer Redditors left after they realized we weren't exactly the nice liberal community they were used to. In fact, we mostly didn't even care about GG.
4chan and the pedo exodus are the real problems here. I'm not a pedo myself, but damn were they good at keeping normoes out, and it seems their absence coincidentally also has us with shit threads on Holla Forums.
You made a comment about consumer demand and "the market", and I dont think it's an accurate lens through which to analyze this website, given the fact that it's a market within a market within a market. Anyway, my point was that the boards are not the property of the users, nor are the threads. The administration has been asleep at the wheel for quite a while, and it's obviously not because of excessive moderation that Holla Forums has gone down the shitter; otherwise 4chan would have died off a looong time ago.
hasn't had much influence
I'm arguing that perhaps he should
credibility approaches 0
pointing out trivial grammatical mistake
Holy shit son I had no idea there were people this fucking braindead on Holla Forums. I knew it went down the shitter a looong time ago, but apparently pedos weren't the only mental illness around here.
It seems to me that you just dont like Holla Forums. Go find a board for faggots like you who take the black dick, will ya?
you mistake me for another poster. our styles are very different.
trivial grammatical mistake
it's not tho'. the only conceivable reason to use whom is to make yourself sound smart. It's not the default option who, which in 2016 would do nicely even as an accusative pronoun.
I think it's the duty of the owners to respect that
Well, it's not their duty. And I think it would behoove them to respect it a bit less.
what Holla Forums was made for
It was made so that users would not be banned for "hate speech" – not so that widdle babbies could do whatever the fuck they want.
consumer demand is relevant
I agree, and by the numbers, it's not looking like the analysts are doing a good job of catering (we'll have to agree to disagree on the reasons)
If you say so, but what new rules do you want and why do you come on Holla Forums?
Still focusing on the trivial grammatical mistake? Compelling case you've provided here, user.
to make yourself sound smart
Please die soon
Just common sense, user. Ban faggots who spam. I'm not gonna quibble over what constitutes spam. Just ban it. End of discussion. Bye.
Well obviously you need to because spam isn't a very definitive term.
Ban derailment of threads? Dubposting? Off topic posts?
What if I see a shit thread and post a picture of shit. Would that be worth a ban just for that one picture? What if everybody else joins in and only posts once? Is it spam? Or is it the community sustaining itself instead being a bunch of beta faggots like you who bend over and take it in the ass?
Also should it just be per board rule or global rule? Like /1/, where absolute chaos is allowed no matter what.
Because Holla Forums already has rules regarding spam. Most autistic fish posters get deleted and banned.
Spam: Unceasing variations of a post.
Obviously there is a level of subjectivity involved in the assessment of what constitutes spam, but I think that anyone who doesn't literally suffer from autism can discern whether or not a user is deliberately attempting to derail a thread/pollute the catalog.
I would say this should be on a "per board" basis.
Well lucky you, Holla Forums already has rules has rules against this, they're just doing us much good right now because we're constantly being raided.
derailing should be banned
Which do you want banned? Derailing or shitty newfag threads? Because the only reason I don't want shitty newfag threads banned is because it conflicts with the freedom this boars in particular is supposed to offer
Holla Forums has rules against this
Well it would be nice if they were actually inforced.
which do you want banned?
Derailing. Spam. Obvious. Fucking. Spam – that's it.
I used to frequent this site often; in fact, I used to spend an utterly inordinate amount of time on here; that is, until around 6 months ago, when pathological spammers began to infest Holla Forums, and the whole thing went to shit.
This is the first day I've posted on Holla Forums in months, and I suppose it's because I was thinking about some of the really great times I had on here. Those times are obviously long gone.
4chan has a disgusting, normie community filled with faggots from facebook, reddit and tumblr. 4chan sucks because they don't know what's cool or funny except normie shit.
Holla Forums has a disgusting, paranoid, MGTOW community filled with losers from /r9k/ and /pol/. Holla Forums sucks because whenever a cool thread pops up, they flood it with reasons why they think it sucks until it dies instead of just having fun.
4chan has a million shitty threads that only normies give a shit about
Holla Forums has no threads at all because whenever a thread is started the paranoid community thinks it is cancerous for whatever reason so they ignore it or even call in the Travis to destroy it
this is why we never have cool things
If you ban derailing you enable shitty newfag threads. This is indisputable.
Now check em.
No… if you truly don't want to enable "newfag threads", it's simple, IGNORE THEM.
If dipshits want to indulge someone who's attention-whoring, so be it – it doesn't conflict with your ability to participate in the many other threads within the many other boards on this website. And if Holla Forums becomes "4chan + hate speech", then whatever, at least it won't be a dead ass site with a handful of autistic Gatekeepers who are merely waiting to spam content they disapprove of.
Autists spend more time trying to be quality-control than actually participating in dialogue and having fun. It's fuckin obnoxios.
Holla Forums sucks because whenever a cool thread pops up, they flood it with reasons why they think it sucks until it dies instead of just having fun.
Holy shit, this. Some people just had to "grow up" and start bringing funkillers into the fun zone, flaming bunch of sticks.
Again, unless you think unpopular opinions should be censored there was no problems with free speech. I listed ways to minimize shitposting with the least mod effort.
Wow I'm neither of the groups you mentioned and the worst part of trickle down theory was socialism for the rich and immigration and capitalism for the poor.
The code was not used at all, when it was it was in conjunction of a retarded mod that banned things and reduced page count to 10 or 5. And for short periods sandwiched by shitposting and site issues.
Freedom certainly exists you weak willed bitch. What we agree with is that some moderation is ok when it's minimal and In good taste. When someone spams 50 posts of hitler or of pony they should get a 1 hour delete ban. Obviously, spam is a problem with opened boundaries and sweeping the dirt out and killing a few skunks doesn't legitimize also cutting down all the trees. This analogy is In reference to porn spam, contentless spam and old threads that may last weeks or more.
My grievances have absolutely nothing to do with "unpopular opinions". I've been banned a hundred times from 4chan for "unpopular opinions", which is why I still have a shred of hope for Holla Forums (although I'm definitely on my last shred)
You're juvenile if you can't handle stress and th occasional shouters.
That is about the opposite of what I be
How from my post do you get the idea that I want opinions banned?
How do you lack the reading comprehension to see that the claims system is broken?
As for your understanding of fbi and their efficiency with modern technology, you are old and bitter.
Stupid niggers who go to cuckchan can stay there.
More rules isn't the answer
Holla Forums is 4chan now hurrr
Oh fuck off.
I'm neither of the groups you mentioned
I was using them as an analogy to highlight a point – obviously you missed it.
Determanism is a much more accurate way to describe the way in which we live. We're under far too many constraints (both genetic and environmental) to posess anything even remotely resembling autonomy over our Will/environment. Varying degrees of "freedom" doesn't make any sense; therefore, varying degrees of "difficulty of will" is what we need to focus on – and by all accounts, the difficulty in engaging in dialogue on Holla Forums has been made significantly more difficult because of spammers (this is my perception, take it or leave it).
All said, I think perhaps we mostly agree on what measures need to be taken: ban the attention-whore spammers who flood the site every waking minute of their pathetic lives… that's it
I've never posted much at half chan except on pol before it became Nazi heaven
Well I do suffer from severe anxiety disorders, so I'll give you 1/2 a point.
While we agree about spam and the solutions, you are mistaken about freedom.
You're using an impossible definition of freedom to say that all concepts of freedom don't exist.
Of course you can't just close your eyes and think yourself into flying, of course your genes make your body respond certain ways and attempt reproduction.
That does not mean you lack a consciousness which exists for the purpose of directing your efforts towards what you decide is reasonable and necessary.
We lack the impossible definition of Free Will for the reasons you listed, genes, physics; for those same reasons we have the ability for our brains to assign maximum value to our conscious efforts and overcome all environmental obstacles and internal signals or warnings.
So you see choice will always exist for living beings and most acutely for sentient conscious beings.
These are the posts that got me a 3 day ban from /mu/ yesterday…
we were discussing the social implications of some retarded Hip Hop album, and a dumb nog was talking about how society was finally starting to care about blacks…
started to care about black people
That's an illusion. They don't care about black people, they care about appearing righteous. If they truly cared about blacks, they wouldn't support movements that label anyone a racist who brings up statistics that are at the root of why blacks are disproportionately affected by poverty and profiling.
Dont be fooled by the SJW's, my nog friend… it's all just sanctimonious posturing
Post #2 is in reference to a Jewish rapper who is obviously very intelligent, and I find his "music" to be incredibly condescending to Niggers (kek), and the irony is that SJW's who love it, have no ability to decipher nuance…
Jews and Nogs
Is there anything more nauseating than an insecure, cultural-appropriating Jew, who prefers chillin wit non-threatening nogs because it makes him feel better about himself? I don't think their is
impossible definition of freedom
I acknowledge that there is Freedom as it pertains to Jurisprudence (and other practical uses), and freedom as it pertains to Metaphysics; however, it all comes back to the postulation that Free Will is possible, and I think it just muddles our understanding of things when we attach the assertion of "freedom" to terms that have nothing it – in fact, it's often simply used as a selling point (usually for political gain).
We make choices, and we're "responsible" for those choices, but intrinsically speaking, Freedom doesn't have anything to do with it. But I'll concede that perhaps this is a difference in perspective – I can only see freedom as an absolute, much in the same way that any notion of Forms can always be reduced to particles. Make sense?
*that have nothing to do with it
I've been checking out 4chan but that place gets way too cancerous after about 20 minutes of browsing.
I still browse and hit up Holla Forums tho. Far better than cancerchan.
I agree with you in principle but the understanding of it is better conveyed in the form I presented it. Most hear lack of free will and think fate. Fate is fantasy.
most hear "lack of free will" and think fate.
Yes, and most people are mistaken.
fate is fantasy
Determanism =/= fatalism. Freedom, in practical terms, may be more accessible; however, it also leads to an lack of depth of contemplation. And that lack of depth allows charlatans to manipulate individuals by using the term Freedom in conjunction with promises that if they follow their direction, they will be truly free.
Holla Forums is more free than 4chan because we have a much looser approach to top-down moderation.
Well, as it turns out, this unadulterated approach to freedom also gave us mountains of spam, which ultimately made it almost as difficult to maintain a dialogue as it is on 4chan; hence why the site is dead as fuck.
Or perhaps more of a real-world scenario…
Britain will be more free if they leave the EU
Time will tell if this makes life more difficult on them in the long run, but as for now, the EU is going to tighten their trade deals, the pound is sinking, and their exports are going to be more heavily taxed. Will this improve immigration problems? Perhaps. Will it give them more control over trade? Maybe. But one thing is for certain: the entire thing was sold based on the use of the concept of freedom. Are they more free now? No, but MAYBE life will be slightly less difficult for some… maybe not.
early fag here
It failed because you guys shat all over the place. I didn't want to post during the time when every post here were bananas and "where do we leave" bullshit.
But that's my personal opinion. I didn't even argue during this period, I watched Holla Forums slowing down, everyday and posted some news on /n/. Now I'm back on Holla Forums, but still I can't find anything funny anymore.
Have I grown old?
have I grown old?
If you're referring to the fact that you can't find anything funny anymore, this is either depression, or extreme desensitization (likely due to overstimulation of the senses)… or both. I'm in the same boat, and I believe these are the causes for me.
And I agree with your thoughts on the spam/"where do we go next" bullshit. I honestly think this is a manifestation of the fact that Holla Forums is largely comprised of autistic people who don't know how to cooperate/relate to human beings on a functional level. Not to mention the anons with various other pathological social disfunctions.
Anyway, given the autistic user base, it makes total sense that the overwhelming response to any moderation is to throw hissy fits.
nah, I meant anything funny on Holla Forums. I still can find some stuff funny, I'm not one of you sociopaths on that scale.
I'm not a sociopath, just depressed.
posting on this place won't make things better, mate
i searched all the "alternatives" to see if there was actually an "exodus". to be short, no. 8ch's userbase has declined a bit but its still way higher than any of the alternative's when comparing PPHs
Oh believe me, I realize that. In fact, this is the first day I've posted on Holla Forums in months.
I tend to self-isolate when I'm depressed, and anonymous dialogue that requires minimal commitment provides a distraction from the fact that relatively speaking, I'm about as worthless as they come.
cheer up a bit, the so-called oldfags of Holla Forums gathered on this thread. I think.
Probably just to get a glass of chocolate milk, dude.
It's not like anyone who isn't a spambot or a shill can leave this place at all.
This is our home now. We are the hermits, and this is our cave. Sure, the walls fall in from time to time, but we can rebuild them. We have the technology.
Infinichan: This is the way your life ends. Not with a bang, but with a whimper.
Honestly, I feel like drama on the internet in general has slowed down quite a bit. People are slowly waking up to SJW poison, twitch raids are no longer funny, Tumblr is getting to the point where its basically Poe's law, and Reddit is simply too moderated to stir any shit up over there anymore.
So even if we weren't raiding sites, we'd still have no internet/SJWs to point and laugh at since most of it /v/ related these days.
Hey, I know what'll cheer us up. Just post some good quality threads, filter the tripfags, and create some OC.
Remember Niggy Wiggy? Good times.
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create some OC
maybe if some decent OC caused enough butthurt, a raid could be justified
Britain is unbuckling itself
As for the rest of your post we are in agreement
Good thread lad
Ayy genetics and medical research unrestricted by ethics will bring us a new age of humans, a great age of Holla Forums
and many more
The pedos went to librechan, everyone else seems to have stayed here.
That's a lot of pedos.
4chan is as good as Holla Forums
Goddamnit I can't take this.