How many libertarians are left on Holla Forums?

I like some Libertarian views. I'm a cross between a Libertarian, a Nationalist (so I don't like open borders), and a Conservative.

Libertarianism is weak by definition and will never win, however sane you might think it is (personally I don't think it's good at all but that's beside the point)

The goals of libertarianism are directed inwards, not outwards like nationalsocialism, traditionalism or even socialism. There is no ideology, no idea about a greater society, no united goals etc. It's all about MY right to smoke weed, MY right to not be taxed, MY right to not be bothered by the state etc. When all you care about is your own well-being, you won't have the will to sacrifice anything. Can you imagine libertarians fighting like the Waffen SS in ww2? Of course not, they're all egoistic per definition.

A weak ideology can never win, an ideology that can't win is useless.

Idiot… Big government authoritarianism is Left-wing. Libertarianism is the complete opposite of that.

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Apparently you're unaware that our ancestors fought the revolutionary war with many of these ideals in mind.

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That argument about libertarians having no principles always bites my ass since America exemplifies the results of libertarianism.

I'm not American

Also I believe they fought a war against a foreign nation occupying them rather than the ideals of freedom, although I'm sure that's what a lot of the leaders believed in.

How is that possible when libertarianism was invented by Jews in the 20th century? Unless you are some kind of a dumbass who actually believes that classical liberalism and Jewish libertarianism are identical.

Such confusion. Liberalism is left wing. Libertarianism is left wing. Communism is left wing. Only traditionalism is right wing. Educate yourself. America is a thoroughly leftist country which started as a leftist revolution against a right wing traditionalist order. It was the 18th century version of the Bolsheviks and Soviet Union.

That would explain the fasces all over DC, I suppose.

Just because it isn't national socialism it doesn't automatically make it Jewish.

You are confusing libertarians with libertines.

A libertine is concerned with their right to do degenerate shit, while a libertarian does not necessarily care for LOL DUDE WEED LMAO. A libertarian simply doesn't believe that the government should attempt to protect people from their own retardation or enforce cultural norms. It just so happens that the most tempting beginning for removing freedoms are the undesirables, and that eventually goes on to affect the rest of the population.

On the other hand, a lot of libertines do infest libertarian groups, and attempt to push out small government conservatives. Libertarians also love to engage in retarded shit flinging between each other because some are not "pure" enough in their autism.

Hopefully, none.

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The name of an ideology is irrelevant. The premise of that ideology is what matters. If you believe that no one before the 20th century believed in personal freedoms, non-intrusive government etc., then you're a fool. The United States was founded on many of the ideals central to Libertarianism. That's why it's popular in the US. The very core of our belief system (as Americans) is based on limited government. We're not like Europeans. We don't like authoritarian governments over here. We absolutely despise the very concept. Our ancestors did as well. They fought against it, and created a Republic and our Constitution in hopes that it would prevent our nation from ever turning into that.

Educate myself? I stand with what I said. Big government authoritarianism is Left-wing. You can disagree. I don't care. Claiming a Libertarian and a Communist fall under the same banner is hilarious considering they're polar opposite ideologically.

All the major libertarian theorists have been Jewish. This is just a fact. It is also just inherently Jewish because it is a rootless merchant ideology and Jews are a rootless merchant race.

fuck off faggot with your bootlicking statist garbage. you could police your own neighborhoods but you are cowards.

And now your once beautiful country is

i'm a trap, so i guess that makes me libertarian, since i think people should be allowed to lop their cocks off.

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So you don't care about definitions of terms. Good to know.

They aren't polar opposite. They are literally the exact same ideology just with a different conception of the relation or rights to property. Libertarians believe rights extend to private property and communists do not. That is the only difference. Other than that, they are both anti-traditional globalist ideologies based on phony philosophical abstractions with no basis in reality.

Limited government is itself a leftist concept, central to Liberalism. Big government authoritarianism is neither right nor left, but simply a development of any government which is allowed to grow unchecked. Libertarianism and Communism may be closely related or violently opposed, depending on the school of libertarianism in question.

Aren't most now Paleo Conservatives or call themselves at least "Nationalist Libertarians".

Back to leftypol with you. Chopping your dick off wont make you a woman, nothing will

funny joke, libtard ideology rejects nations and borders

but i hate leftypol. i'm redpilled and right-wing.

not if i have that attitude!

Isn't border just a very large safe space?

Your home is just a small safe space. Open the doors and let everyone in!

it's 2016 ffs

wew

Same thing indeed. Also there's multiple different forms of Communism, and there's Communism in practice vs. Communism on paper, but in no way do I see Communism, in any form, similar to Libertarianism. I just don't see it. Communism is authoritarianism. Every form of Communism ever practiced has held a large authoritarian government. That is the polar opposite of Libertarianism.

Holla Forums has grown up, deal with it

Libertarianism: The political ideology that believes culture is less important than economic freedom.

Don't regulate the economy goy!
Immigrants are good for the economy goy! Don't think about the future of your culture!
Don't support religions goy, but please keep donating to our "non profit, secular, human-rights" organization (oh by the way we spend most of that money on buying politicians)! Silly goy!

Might as well just call yourself a good goy for supporting a form of government that's easily undermined by kikes.

s/culture/race

That why I put it between " ". But those guys are just Paleo Conservatives, but call themselves different.

SAGE, lolbertarianism is cultural Marxism

Like all ideologies there are different views about how things should be conducted, centered around a similar theme. There are indeed Nationalist Libertarians. Not all Libertarians believe in open borders.

I find this amusing when this topic comes up. I honestly don't know why there's a Holla Forums and a Holla Forums, when both are inhabited by Socialists. One of the most Left political ideologies in existence. Holla Forums may be the perfect example of how Leftism has infested, so deeply, so many different aspects of our society. You must be European. There literally is no other political ideology in existence in Europe at the moment. Every single ideology on the table is Leftist, in every nation. Attaching "Nationalist" doesn't make it any less Leftist. Nationalism is basically just the belief in your nation before others. It can be coupled with most ideologues. Then again, Europe is the land of in-fighting, kings and queens, and serfs.

lol according to that chart libertarians are both for big government

Thanks for confirming you're autistic.

That all occurred in the past few decades as our politicians stupidly attempted to imitate Leftist Europeans ideologies.

Yeah, and there are national bolsheviks, so what? World is full of crazy retards.

Then they're pseudo-lolbergs.

Define "leftist". You keep using that word without knowing it's meaning, that's why you make ridiculous statements like:

That's not a counter-argument, moron…

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I've already stated what I believe Leftism to be.

Hence Communism; Socialism; Fascism etc. All universally accepted Left-wing ideologies.

My point exactly. We had no immigration problems before the importation of European ideologies. Those ideologies made their way here during WWII.

it's literally the same thing.

nazi here.
fuck off

Leftist Europeans are aping the ideology of the American ruling class, not the other way around. America, Britain, and France have all had their leadership heavily pozzed over the last few hundred years by Jewish infiltrators, and were able to expand the rot to the rest of the European states starting during WWI, followed by consolidation of power after WWII. The Europeans right now are bringing Arabs and Africans home in an attempt to imitate the "success" of multicultural America.

fucking kek, lolbertarians truly are children

pretty stupid chart tbh

That's because you are functionally illiterate and unread in the history of ideas and philosophy.

Except they end up taking the worst of both.

Leftism was born in French revolution as extreme opposition to "sexist, bigot, oppressive" government. Educate yourself, pleb.

jews aren't Europeans, try again

Marxists and jews were subverting USA even before WW1.

Socialism is the antithesis to nationalism. National Socialism and Fascism were very obvious syntheses of the two major opposing ideologies in war-era Europe.

tends to happen when someone fundamentally misunderstands the underlying principles of politics

They fucked up "libertarianism" as well. Nothing to do with leftism. Still doesn't. You think you can speak reason to wankers who define words as they please?

wtf m9

I think the point is that economic systems are secondary to securing borders and maintaining control of culture. All economic systems must be evaluated under that rubric.

Libertarianism inverts the pyramid. Frankly, we can change economic forms of organization as long as we haven't flooded our lands with third worlders. Having a bunch of dindus running around really limits the ol' freedom trough.

Your whole post is wrong because you don't understand what Nationalism as ideology is.
You can't have Nationalism without Socialist elements, because the core of Nationalist ideology is for the state to work in the best interests of the Nation as a collective group. So to put it simple, you can't have Nationalism without Socialism and thus can't have Nationalism with Libertarianism.

Yes, it would make sense for a pseudo-commie like yourself to hate liberals.

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For the record: marxist socialism is completely incompatible with nationalism.

hope you are lynched tbh

And yet you can't have Libertarianism without white nationalism. Interesting.

Again, I stand by what I believe Leftism to be, given what is universally accepted as Leftism here in the US. If you have a different view of it wherever you're from, fine. But in the US what I told you I believe Leftism to be is what most deem it.

Well whatever the hell you want to call them, they came from Europe to the US and fucked things up here.

by being born there?

Same shit with different coating. If you can't recognize the massive similarities then you are already too deep with the brainwashing.

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Until you realize you can borrow elements from different ideologies and adapt them to fit others.

IIRC He was kicked out by the Tsars and was smuggled back in following the civil war shit leading up to the revolution in 1917.

I miss being 12

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Even more: White nationalism(or racialism) rejects libtardism as a completely anti-White ideology.

Conclusion: libtard ideology has no future, unless you can adapt it for niggers or kikes.

If you're a libertarian you have no real arguments against kikes and results of their subversion.

Who cares?

Anti-White policies are also "universally accepted", that's not an argument.

so basically nothing to do with open borders since he was smuggled back in

Leftism is not the Democrats, dingus. You're not going to understand what you're talking about if you refuse to accept reality. The US and Revolutionary France were not created at the same time by sheer coincidence.

Jews are what have been destroying the European peoples for the last 2000 years. They are not of us.

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nice Hitler dubs

How's that, exactly? How do you explain Europe being such a shit-hole?

Exactly, I don't give a shit about your definition of the term, which you've modified to make Socialism acceptable.

never about open borders, it was about jewish subversion. pretty much everything the first guy said can be blamed on the jews.

How do libertarians explain the fact that economically-left white areas like portland aren't shitholes?

Never said that.

Sounds like the same nigger blaming whitey for all his problems. No people are that powerful, unless you concede that they're vastly intellectually superior. Do you? I don't.

Kikes are messing up with racial and social structure of USA, libtardism doesn't cares about both.

kikes and marxists, obviously

kek, I just said you should educate yourself on history of leftism.

Again: marxist egalitarian socialism is unacceptable by any White racialist(on nationalist).

Don't need to be more intelligent to be a conniving kike, cheating and swindling is part of their game.

FUCK YOU — YOU BETRAYED US!

Libertarians are fiscally right-wing, so I don't know what point you're trying to make.

Right, so the problems in the US are from Libertarian ideologies, but the exact same problems in Europe are just the result of Jews. Nice contradiction, genius.

>>>/liberty/

Wrong. Problems in (former)White countries are caused by lack of racial ideologies, like Nazism or Fascism.

POINT?
FUCKKKKKKKK you

I don't buy it. Never did and never will. Plenty of Jews are far too influential and destructive in their attempts at fulfilling their own self-interests, but no way will I ever give them the position of having control over Europe for 2000 years. I don't deem any group so superior that they can control every aspect of a peoples fate for thousands of years. That's just fucking pathetic…

Lenin had been exiled for being a commie and was living in Germany during WWI; he was sent to Russia in a sealed train car carrying gold to finance the revolution. Trotsky was in New York and was sent about the same time to Russia, also with a lot of cash. The German government and Jewish bankers in London and New York provided the money.

The point here is that certain elements within America were materially aiding their coethnic conspirators in spreading extreme leftist ideology well before WWII.

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If the real problem is 'muh non-free market', why is Portland fine?

Also, do you extend the concept of free market to immigration and international trade?

ebin xD

Subversion is not that hard, especially if your religion is based around subversion and exploitation of goyim.

Why was the US doing just fine before the concept of Nazism and Fascism were ever conceived? Why were European nations doing fine before those concepts were conceived? Why are our nations fucked up now? Certainly isn't Libertarianism, whose core principles existed in the US for almost 200 years before things began to go south quickly (which coincidentally happened only a few decades after European Jews founded Marxism in the US).

money well spent i would have to say for the bankers

Excuse me?

Marxist Socialism is international and works against the natural hierarchy of social classes and doesn't even recognize a Nation as a distinct collective group, so yeah it's the very definition of anti-Nation.

By definition, Libertarianism doesn't serve any collective group and focuses completely on an individual, right?
So if by your statement you mean that Libertarianism is not possible without the State not regulating, for example the imports and exports so as to not harm its people as a distinct collective group, then you're basically saying that Libertarianism is utopic and couldn't work in practice.

Yeah, sure you can, that's how pretty much a majority of ideologies including Fascism came to be. But you can't borrow ideological elements that go against the core of Ideology that you are presenting.

Can you define leftism?

They're not. Read and learn. archive.org/details/CultureOfCritique

I said they've been destroying us, not that they've been in control of us.

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Yeah, its why tons of nation-states since antiquity have removed them periodically whenever their self-serving cronyism caught up with the state. Harder to do now because of our pathological altruism and how we've had our hands tied by tons of international treaties and legalese that has pretty much fugged us into a corner. From here, collapse or revolution is the only real way out.

fuck off kike

I am the kind of libertarian who thinks pinochet did nothing wrong. E.g. one that Holla Forums can live with but I would criticize the economical policies of a fourth reich even though I would fight for it in a feldgrau uniform like my ancestors did.

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I can't believe how fucking stupid and two-faced these people can be. And they have the nerve to call others degenerates.

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We were doing fine for a while because we actively worked against massive private banking interests through the Bank of America and its charters. We were concerned with the national fabric of our people for the most part, and more citizens participated in the political process, so there was unity and much more to lose by sacrificing aspects of our sovereignty.

nothing says oppression like being the most innovative nation of your time

Nationalist hivemind can do wonders for motivation of the visionless.
Though didn't prevent them from getting curb-stomped by the free world (and the other commies) in the end.

Because negro and jewish population was tiny. But don't worry, lack of racial policies fixed that horrible mistake.

Even before 30s white racialism was common, there was no reason to make WR/WN ideologies.

Because kikes won in WW2. After WW2 White racialism become something extremely bad and offensive. Plus, all ideologies that fought against marxism were destroyed and/or banned.

Libertarianism did absolutely nothing to protect USA from becoming a non-white country.

exactly

Individual freedoms != rights to destroy your country for shekels and/or personal pleasure.

If you're normal, healthy person your rights aren't limited.

They weren't. WWI (((happened))) before Fascism.

Please do yourself a favor and read some fucking history.

Wrong, but I'm sure most self-styled Libertarians think so.

That's true. The fundamental flaws of Libertarianism made me a fascist.

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Repeat after me: "I am not a sheep".

I consider myself a libertarian. However, most libertarians I see tend to disagree with me on the "ROBUST NATIONAL DEFENSE" bit. I don't know that that's really something fundamental to libertarianism, though it is fundamental to defending any ideology.

And the whole world couldn't take down the communist utopia. Instead it collapsed on itself.

visionless faggots like the ones that invented rocket science, amirite?

It wasn't. It was a negrified hell hole. All decent people saw America as a completely horrible place devoid of any and all characteristics typical of higher civilizations.

impressive

No worse than any other country. Just messy, typical Asians.
You can google stats yourselves, but note that the presence of less megamarkts doesnt mean poverty.

you mean didn't have to because it was so shit.

Liberty is a duty, not a right.

The "free world" and the Soviets were not allied by accident, and human wave attacks and firebombing are not indicative of the superiority of leftist ethics and Keynesian economics.

nice bullshit. go kill yourself

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Yes, using that wonderful new tech as a glofiried bludgeon is a truly visionary.

yeah, its why it was done via proxy on both sides. we had the apocalypse at stake brother, had to play safe. plus towards the end we still lost, see vid.

youtube.com/watch?v=y3qkf3bajd4

won't let me embed.

The problems in Europe come from being ruled by America since the end of WWII.

wat? How were fascist countries not "free enterprise" (excluding monopolies)?

you do realize every innovation in human history was a way to get a leg up on your competition? your argument is complete horseshit

Wars do tend to spur the creation of new technology. If nobody needed rockets to kill people, we might not have them yet today.

And we should open the borders like good lolberturdians right?

It's simple: if you can't make MTF surgeries and sell dragon dildos, it's not free enterprise.

No, I don't believe in free trade, and I don't see how free market and immigration have any similarities. If you're asking if I like open borders, then no, I already stated I'm against open borders.

I don't see how limited government (Libertarianism) doesn't meld well with my nation before others (Nationalism). I don't see the problem with having a limited government that does not interfere much with citizens rights, while also focusing on protecting the border and tending the trade, among other similar things. Government has its purpose, and and regulating the lives of citizens is not the purpose of government.

Big authoritarian government. Communism, Fascism, Socialism etc. Those are accepted Leftist ideologies, and they're all authoritarian.

I don't see the difference. If they're powerful enough to be in a position to destroy societal and political infrastructure, then they must be in control of a significant portion of society and politics.

Well "white racialism" isn't a political ideology. It's a cultural and social ideology.

Well first off, we're not a non-white country. Secondly, it did nothing to create it. Like I said, Libertarian ideologies have existed in this nation since the revolution. Our constitution is filled with them. We were fine up until Europe's World Wars, when Jews came over here and introduced Marxist teachings to our educational system. That's when everything started to go downhill. The boomers were the first generation educated by those Marxists, and look what's happened since then.

So if Libertarianism is what you're blaming for "not stopping" Marxism, then what are you blaming for not stopping it in Western Europe? Europe has never had Libertarian ideals.

The way I see it, our systems worked fine for us in the absence of Marxism, which has affected all of our nations, whose original core ideologies were different. Blaming Libertarianism is ridiculous, when in reality you should be blaming Marxism.

Anyway, this is my last comment. This shit is going on forever. I want to watch a movie.

Even Benny G in his lolberturdian days wasnt this retarded.

That's why I recommend NS and Fascism.

You mean racial.

Are you joking?

Yeah right, keep ignoring my arguments.

This wouldn't have happened if USA was a WN/WR state.

Our American (((brothers))) and WW2. Nazis and Fascists tried to save Europe, yet your grandfathers did everything to stop the ebil notzees.

Libertarianism, as a weak and unstable ideology is a great substrate for Marxism and other destructive ideologies. Only braindead faggot can support such fragile system.

Good goy.

Stopped reading there. Libertarianism =/= Anarchism, there will be a minimalistic state, also there can be borders in a libertarian state(whether is state controlled or privatized is not important, let's just say the borders are state controlled). Nobody has a right to go whether they please, they need to ask permission. For instance if you come into my house uninvited then you are a trespasser and I would take my gun and kindly ask you to leave. Furthermore there will be no social wellfare(no free food, guns or money) so the havenots have no reason to go into such a country, especially if they aren't welcomed there.

Fascism is only "leftist" in the fantasy history pushed by the Trotskyist Jews who run the Republican establishment. Communism and Socialism are leftist not because they are authoritarian, but because, just like Liberalism and mainstream Libertarianism, they are materialist and also view the state and the individual as separate and opposing entities.

Subversion and domination are not the same.

We're at most 60% white.

Our Constitution is filled with Liberal ideas. Libertarianism didn't exist yet and would have seemed absurd to the Founders.

We were not fine before WWI; we had a lot more niggers and Jews than is strictly healthy and the US had already been reformed under Lincoln and Johnson and had a new Bank installed under Wilson. Those wars were also only "World" Wars because the US got involved (thanks, Churchill).

"Minimalistic state" can't protect itself from hordes of niggers and criminals. Especially in USA, where every subhuman can get a gun.
For the record: I'm pro-gun, but niggers and criminals are abusing 2nd amendment, and this will get worse under your minimalistic state.

Underrated post. It looks like a shitpost, but it makes a solid point: an ideology is pointless without a strong face to carry it on and keep it straight.

Ron Paul's ideas and morals were solid, but he was too weak. He didn't stand a chance in a fight with the establishment. Rand Paul had his chance, but he has instead proven to be both weak and inferior to his father on the ideology side. It's at the point where i believe father and son were just controlled opposition from the get-go.

I am myself a nationalistic libertarian (i want a strong self-defense army, but no government and minimal taxation, if any), but without a strong candidate supporting libertarianism, the ideology might as well not exist, since absurd claims are easily levelled against it and there are no real examples to prove them false. Speaking of which, Nazism and racially- homogeneous Germany have lost two world wars, which proves the country and its ideologies were failures.

Regardless, since the dawn of time, ideologies are carried on by warriors, not by tea room pansies.

All of them.

False. You can have a standing army without a government. You can have a standing army doing mercenary OR socially useful work for profit too, exempting the need for taxes.

In a libertarian state every man owns weapons and knows how to use them as well.

Where would they get the money to buy the guns?
Why would anyone want to sell them guns?

tbf it would be fine if the state didn't impose penalties for genociding mud people

The same reason non liberal Europeans rent their houses and buildings to the gov to feed shitskin invaders.
Money. And you will never stop people from selling to nigggers in lolberturdianism.

sheeeeeeeeeit

Who is going to teach them? You fail to even teach them about gun safety now.

That doesn't mean that private armies will benefit the general population.
European countries have armies, yet they can't protect themselves from non-white occupants and colonists.

Just like in Third Reich, what's your point?

Criminal activities.

Cash.

libtards are mostly jews and degenerates, good luck with that

Funny.
So now we should all be lolberturdians and half breeds. That wont cost us any war.

This is why lolberturdians are losing the last bit of hold they have here. This is their BEST reasoning against "staytism".

Well yes, that's why you have to kill them first. Deregulate homicide and let the free market sort it out :^)

Good luck with that x2, kikes will use PMCs to defend themselves.

"Libertarianism" is not the center of stateless philosophy on the spectrum

The real center is left-libertarianism and it's a better ideology/orientation than most of the 2d spectrum

REMOVE PORKY, LEFT-LIBERTARIANISM NOW

Careful m88, sarcasm detectors malfunction quite often nowadays.

libertarianism is starting to be more identified with leftism. I would argue that is such a thing as a "right-wing" libertarian, but most on Holla Forums would say that's some kind of "cuckservitism". The most polarized voices stand out in the crowd, so Holla Forums is always going to look like stormfront, which I don't mind, it keeps things from falling apart into total shitposting surprisingly.

pleb

Why are the kikes shilling against Stormfront so hard lately?

A Nationalist government will regulate trade for the best interests of its people and that alone is incompatible with Libertarianism.
Every decision a Nationalist government makes, must work for the interests of a country and its Nation as a whole, not just individual.

Libertarianism focuses almost exclusively on an individual and his personal rights. It always puts freedom of choice of an individual first.
I'm not saying that what you have in mind cannot work or cannot put your nation first, but don't call it Libertarianism, because its not.

LMAO, how will your "Government" plan and execute strategic defence/offence operations in case of invasion or put any standards for the military to follow?
How would any leader of such a country have any idea how well prepared it is in case of invasion? The enemy would find the weaknesses and exploit them so much, that your Libertarian paradise wouldn't last 2 weeks.

OK so they get the money to buy guns by breaking the law, thus being labeled as criminals. They would also be labeled as criminals if they were to live in a Fascistic state in which either it would be illegal for them to live in the state or for them to own guns. This isn't about the system, but that if subhumans break the law to buy guns then they will be just arrested.
Then how come there were a lot of stores in South America that had "No Niggers Welcomed Here" signs. Maye it's more about the people inhabiting the country, rather than the system, which made it illegal for them to put such signs.

That's because in those states the government protects the illegals and punishes people from protecting themselves. I remember that article about that woman who stopped a man from rapping her by using pepper-spray and got fined.

Established boogeyman. We should blame ourselves for having used their lingos and allowed them to do so in the first place.

OP being a faggot once again.
Nope, left/right is economic. Then, there's libertarianism vs authoritarianism (at least in the simplest form). The ones who want to regulate morality are both religious fundies and progressive left, which are specific factions.
Cognitive dissonance right there. Someone who tolerates others' property rights would not attempt to take away their ability to enforce them.
I could go on. tl;dr your pic is shit.

Why did you post that second pick twice in this thread, especially when it was already posted?

As someone said earlier, libertarianism is a leftist trap. Here's a pic which puts it in perspective for those naive enough to think libertarianism is in the middle.

But, yes. How did white men become so individualistic? Is it because of an ideology? No, it's because of their culture nurtured by aristocracy, history and culture. A libertarian allows all, thus there would be no aristocracy nor culture. Therefore, the love for freedom and appreciation of beautiful art would get lost in a few generations. Libertarianism holds no values and is dysgenic.

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Where's monarchy on that graph? What about aristocratic republics?

Your pic is an incomplete joke.

Father to son, like it has always been. Long before guns children would learn to use bows and swords rather than reading, and those don't have "safeties".

Libertarianism doesn't mean "no law". A libertarian country can have a constitution, and the standing army's legitimacy is determined by it. It would not be private, as there would be no owner, only an administrator.
Libertarianism is not "everything is private", it's "nothing is mandated". It's not a positive ideology, that determines what MUST be, like communism, it's a negative doctrine that determines what must NOT be at all costs. It's the next step of fascism, where the authority of the Fuhrer to set a country straight is afterwards dissolved into a strong ideology and minimal rule of law (standing army of volunteers guarding constitution and borders), without the need to enforce specific behaviors. IE, if a community is fully puritan, a brothel won't get any business in it.

I hate the meme that certain ideals can only be left or right.

trapping would still be ok in a libertarian society though?

Ron Paul made the mistake of thinking he could reason himself to presidency. he's a great guy with great ideas, but he lacks the will to crush his enemies.

Rand is an utter faggot who figured that compromising his father's ideals in favor of appeasing the establishment would get him somewhere.

Trump succeeded where both of them failed and that's why his winning. he realized the only way forward is unapologetically steamrolling the little shits opposing him.

It is the best example of lolberturdianism in action.
:^)

Let's see what the misses institute has to say about this:
mises.org/library/open-borders-are-assault-private-property
It seems to imply that you are wrong.

That's true, and 100% White society will have much less crimes.

Pic related, "minimalistic state" will not be able to arrest all of them, it's simply impossible.

What?! We're not talking about domestic products. Arms trading is very profitable, kikes and race traitors will do anything to get extra shekels.

I wasn't talking about people or government protection for occupants. Again: armies do nothing to protect the European states against non-White invasion. Why do you think PMCs will protect the Libertarian States(c)? Who will pay for such hard and dangerous work?

Opinion discarded.

Don't play daft.

You are either a NatSoc or not knowledgeable enough.

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Except that people are doing that right now.
And you still fail.
Nice pictures of retarded ZOGbots fighting for the current regime though :^)

I dont think you have to that extreme. Most lolberturdians got BTFO, then come back and recycle the same lies, like pic related. Third Reich gun control, Holohoax, NatSoc/Fascism is left wing, etc.
The conversion rate has always been pretty low. People either join us or just drop out.

There is nothing daft about it. The majority of lolberturdians support those ideas, and those ideas would be implemented with a lolberg President.

fucking kek

seriously, how old are you

Agree and that can exist in a Libertarian state

Why arrest when you can just shoot them? I also imagined a world where the criminals could be sent to private prisons that would just put them to work in the mines, kinda like how the soviets did with their criminals.

Again if the subhumans need to steal in order to get money, then they would be arrested for stealing. You can't have profit if you give away stuff for free. Everybody(maybe except socialists) know that.

Are we talking about the state owned army? The one that is controlled by the same state that welcomes the refugees?

Just a shitposter without a point posting his degenerate wanking material.

Libertarianism doesn't mean there is no law. It just means local communities get to decide whether they allow trapping or not.

At least i have one.

"Fail"? With a country full of deranged degenerates high on mind-altering meds, "failure" is relative. Guns are the easiest tool to use. It's harder to use a hammer right than a handgun.

No, how old are YOU. No matter how much you're told to clean your room by mommy, you will only start doing it when you realize the worth of an organized environment yourself. It's a kindergarten-level lesson.

No, remunerated violence means power. Even Rome had to grant enormous benefits to its soldiers. When those benefits became less valuable, Rome started training foreigners. Then those cheap foreigners simply used their training and equipment to fuck Rome over, since there was more value in that. An army of volunteers would receive "donations" when the borders are threatened, spinning it in full gear. Even fear is subject to the free market.

so even if they don't allow it where i live, i can just move to some christian state where i get to be a housewife after all?

False. Libertarianism is not concerned about maintaining the racial profile of a state.

Shooting is highly immoral and bad. SJW PCMs will hunt you down for that.

By your logic there should be 0(zero) crime rates, which is simply not true.

We are talking about both state owned armies and PMCs.

The same people will control your libertarian paradise, so yeah: don't expect anything good.

Yeah, that's huge achievement.

That's the idea

For you.

True, but the people can be. Even if you were to have a natsoc state and lefties became the silent majority they will overthrow the government and open borders.

The criminal violated the NAP and as such has no more rights. If you don't like it you can move. Also no matter how much SJWs would protest they can't change laws. Unless they would form a gated community, which would naturally disintegrate in six months as other leftist communities did.

You don't need guns to commit a crime, but you do need money to buy guns. Crimes will happen, it's how efficient the police is in capturing them.

If the state is pro immigration then the army must obey, otherwise it will cause a civil war. If the state is pro immigration and gives a lot of benefits to refugees and makes it almost illegal to harm them, then private armies will become useless.

The same people will overthrow your natsoc paradise, so yeah: don't expect anything good.

The Founding Fathers were thoroughly and unashamedly fascist before such a thing even existed.

I love how the lolbergs ignore this image since it represents the day they were thoroughly and irrefutably proven to be retarded.

and you make the fallacious assumption that you can align every single person's self-interest and have a system that benefits everyone at any given time, which in turn will make everyone voluntarily adopt your idea of beneficial behavior. if you actually think this idea is in any way grounded in reality you have no right to call anyone immature.

Stormfront is mild and tame compared to Holla Forums. What the fuck are you even shilling?

How and the Lolberturdians are the ones who betrayed the board and sold us out to Holla Forums.

Fuck them. Good riddance.

Wrong. Leftism can't exist without jewish ideological and financial support.

Like almost all of us, I started as libertarian. The main point of the conversion is realising that individual freedom isn't an end in itself. Also

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So you are saying that after the jews are exterminated, we can forget about fascism and live in a libertarian country?

i'll be a libertarian then since i'll get to be a trap housewife.

See this is the biggest issue I have with Libertarians.
As anti-government as you claim to be, your solution to all problems is "we'll just add a bit more government". You're walking breathing hypocrisy, and it's hilarious. You want laws, but you don't want a government strong enough to enforce them.

What are you talking about?
The whole crux of libertarianism is that it allows people to fail. You want to get high all day and lie in the sun? Fine by me, but I'm not going to pay for you to eat, or to have a house. Setting up a socialist commune? Good for you, just don't expect me to bail you out when it fails.

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Leftism is just one of many other problems, so the answer is "no".

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A nation is an area occupied by a "tribe", so I don't see how the "fracturing" of people exactly "erodes the concept of a nation". Unless you think a nation is defined by people having the same beliefs, in which case you are a civic 'nationalist'.

But if "man is by nature wicked, cowardly and bad", the how can we trust the government to not be wicked, cowardly and bad?

Because the overman exists, and is made for leadership. Read plato, m8.

Because most libertarians grew up.

So now you have no nation, but 100 small tribes.
I believe a nation is its peoples. Your tribes will not co-operate. You will fracture the nation and applaud it.

top fucking kek, just how conceited are you? you may "allow" people to fail but their survival instinct won't. what, you think people that fail in your system just roll over and die? you know what happens when a bunch of people without resources see someone with an abundance of resources?

people wouldn't expect you to bail them out, they'd just kinda show up at your doorstep and take your shit by force

We can't, but it's our obligation to make the government as best as possible. That means government should be composed of the best people that nation can provide.
In turn, such government should work on improving the nation: mentally, physically and genetically.

That's the only way to put humanity(or your nation) back on evolutionary rails. Current system breeds random people, nobody cares about future generations. People just ignore evolution and basic science, because it's offensive and "bad".

How can you know that he is an overman, and not just a demagogue? Who can we trust with the responsibility of finding the overman? The people, who will just fall prey to a good demagogue? A group of elites who will choose the man? Who selects the elites, and how can we know that their judgment is sound?

Do you feign this ignorance or are you really this stupid?

Interesting, should the government also be involved in the market, or should it let it be free?

Peasant revolts have an overwhelmingly high failure rate. What makes you think its any different now.

In that case, Nationalism Socialism wouldn't work anyway, because most people would not support it.

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You're opposing people who want a small government who doesn't intervene in the economy – libertarians – against neonazi LARPers when the majority of people here agree on the need to stop mass immigration and prevent whites from becoming a minority in the U.S.

The smart libertarians are aware that you can't ignore ethnicity and culture, the others are libertardians and they're irrelevant.

The Stormfags fetishists are a vocal minority but the majority are probably paleoconservatives or nationalist libertarians: they don't want Big Brother looking over their shoulders, they just want the government to fulfill its basic function of protecting the nation like it's supposed to instead of trying to destroy it.

SAGE because I suspect OP isn't sincere and just wants to start a shit show. We've all seen these kind of threads before.

8ch.net/faq.html
What is "sage"? Posters may reply to threads without bumping them to the top of the index by putting "sage" in the email field.

National Socialism does not encourage the people to splinter into small factions looking out solely for their self interest.
It promotes the exact opposite of that.

You are free do to anything that is not harmful to your nation and race.
Read second pic of this post:

kill yourself

nice oxymoron

Is this another retarded /k/ike? Please tell me it isnt.

Another day, another consensus cracking.
poal.me/mtzfjw

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this
shadowrun is just fiction

Please always use hard facts against lolberturdians, kikes and other subhumans.
They are allegric to them.

Randlet Paul plz go and stay go with your jew magic economics.

No, libertarianism is a system that benefits effort put in. If you're born poor and don't work, you'll starve and die. If you're handicapped, you'll probably starve and die. That's what regulates everyone's self-interest. Knowing that everything you gain, grow and defend won't be skimmed by a government and knowing that if you sit on your ass you will die, that's the absolute natural justice that humans have evolved to live by, and that's what libertarianism aims to bring back.

Human instincts have to be sharp and alive for strong morals and culture to develop. It's the push and pull of fear and ambition that no large government can hope to enforce, since it will always need to skim and redistribute.

Joke of the century. Keep at it!

Is decentralization such a hard concept to follow? Having a mayor is not government. A government tells you what you can and cannot do. A mayor without a government is just the chief of the community. His only power is listening to people's problems and proposing solutions locally and other such tasks.
A constitution is all the "law" that's needed.

Currently, western "nations" are letting niggers and spics and shitslimes invade them. In the past, said "nations" have suicided themselves with poor wars and decisions.

In a libertarian "nation", when a nigger moves in your area, you pick your friends and show them the way home and no one call you to not to.

Thinking that a nation exists thanks to its government rather than its people is ludicrous. When you leave people to apply their instincts to their lives and territory, they actually expand the borders. That's what the mudslimes are doing, think of it.

You mean "gave up". I read random paragraphs and it sounds like a jew's wet dream. Sophistry at every corner. Calls the founding fathers fascist and then says "they were against an emperor". So wait, fascism with multiple leaders is what they wanted? Complete bullshit, dear god, no matter how many paragraphs i read. Wow.

Stormfag fetishist detected.

Are you the girl in that photo?

If you have evolved into National Libertarianism chances are you have expend enough time on Holla Forums to contemplate all the possibilities that are denied in other places and have created your own opinion on the matter.

I want to believe that the people that are leaving the board do so because they already had enough arguing and they are actually working to try to make their countries great instead.

I mostly come here to check on news that "the media" conveniently ignores nowadays, myself.

Nice girl. Lets compare her to lolberturdians.

It doesn't matter if it encourages people to work together. If you don't think that people can't work together without being forced,which is what you imply in , it is bound to fail. Look at what happened in Yugoslavia; Tito barely wrangled the peace together, and as soon as he was gone, it all went up in smoke. The same has happened in pretty much every Arab country with a 'dictator' that the (((west))) has overthrown.
Of course, you could say that those examples were because of the different ethnicities of people who were forced to live together, but if you think ideological differences are so great that the same would happen even in a homogeneous nation of people in lolberg paradise, why would it suddenly work under a Natsoc government?

Having one that matters in any respect, is government.
A mayor without a government is just an unemployed man making suggestions that nobody listens to.

When Niggers move into your neighborhood, you fall back.
They take more and more neighborhoods, and you fall back.
Fascism takes back what is ours. Fascism fights, Libertarianism runs.
When a people are left to their own devices, they form a government. Because government is one of mans greatest inventions. But I guess you want your "community chiefs" and "tribal citizens" so badly you can move to Africa, where your moronic ideas are actually practiced.

190 total votes

That's not even 10% of the Holla Forums population.

It seems the entirety of recorded history disagrees with you buddy.

Lol
Maybe you should look at what the majority of lolberturdians and the lolberg think tanks actually say.

poal.me/mtzfjw
:^)
Or do you want another poll? Promise that you wont report le dataming then.

such as?

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jesus christ how many newfags do we have here.

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Kek, the lolbertudian is so retarded it still thinks it is right.
Yugoslavia was forced, but what about the rest of fucking everything else outside of it?
Funny how you pick on nations destroyed by wars to legitimize your shit ideology, but promptly ignore everything else that existed and still exists.

Seems about right.

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Reminder that Paleoconservatism is objectively the best ideology.

It's basically National Socialism without the "muh ebul nazis" stigma attached to it

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I'm not even a libertarian, I'm just good at spotting a D&C bait designed to try to polarize everyone and push them into choosing between two retarded camps.

When I say most most people here are paleoconservatives or nationalist libertarians I mean most people here don't wear a particular Ideological costume.

define "paleoconservatism"

daily reminder freedom brought us to where we are today

From kikepedia:

Sure thing.

again, what makes you think everyone will follow your rules to avoid starvation and death?

you advocate for free market because you see yourself as one of the winners in such a scenario. in a free market where everyone's free to pursue their own best interest, guess what, every person's best interest is to optimize their own survival.

in a free market, like any other model, there will be winners and losers. so naturally there will be a conflict of interest between the winners and the losers. what you're doing is basically expecting the losers to just give up pursuing their own best interests because they lost on your terms. so not only do you expect everyone to compete on your terms (promoting your self-interest), but you expect them to voluntarily quit optimizing their survival so that you can keep optimizing your own at their expense (promoting your self-interest, again).

what the fuck makes you think people would willingly give up on their own survival just to keep a system running that benefits you, not them? if your best interest is to keep your shit, and a group of people's best interest is to take your shit, how would you resolve this conflict without enforcing either party to act against their own interest?

Before asking this question, you should ask if there's a way or not to determine that. Sane people will "feel" that someone is a leader. cf the nog opinion about Trump.
Anyway, the fact is that only societies with one man at the top have worked. It may work, but others will always fail. Not hard to choose.

Also, if you read the republic, the person on top should be forced to be on top, not someone wanting to.

So basically the Non Aggression Principle>>5900446
There will always be people who donate to the poor, and those who want to get money in an unlawful way will be branded as criminals and arrested.

No, what we are advocating for, is a system where the losers don't government force take the wealth from the winners and giving it to them. If someone isn't successful in a business, 9 times out of 10 is just because people don't want your product, or there is a better alternative to your product already. If you want to stay in business, you need to innovate an make a better product than the competition has. This creates prosperity.

Then how come Cospaia, an anarchic society thrived for over 300 years without degrading into crime, or feudalism? It also prospered, as it had no taxation. The only reason it doesn't exist is because it got invaded. And before you go "aha this proves that anarchical societies will always be crumbled", the reason it got invaded was because it was just a village. It could have been anything, a monarchy, a fascistic state, a communistic state, etc. it would still have been invaded by a much, much larger nation.
dailyanarchist.com/2015/03/11/the-anarchist-republic-of-cospaia/
Pro tip, it was because of the people that inhabited it

hah, you think now your interests don't diverge with everyone around you? That the "law" is protecting you? What's protecting you is everyone's agreement with the law. If you neighborhood/town wants you dead, you will be dead.

How do primitive cultures survive in jungles and savannas? Because of a complex set of laws or a central government? What keeps your friends from stealing from you when your back is turned? What keeps your parents from kicking you out the house at 18? Supporting you is against their interests.

None of this is law, it's human instinct. Humans evolved as social creatures, to be able to work together efficiently in groups with extended families and multi-generation relationships.

Just think pensions. Without pensions a parent would always have to keep in mind their child will have to be the one to support them in old age, so then a parent will do their damnedest to teach their children respect for elders and ensure they succeed. The child is a big investment. Also more children means better chances. With pensions? Fuck off as early as possible and with only bitterness as education. This can be applied to everything the government does.

That's where libertarianism comes in. It's the radical assumption humans can tailor life around themselves the best when they're not told how to live and forced to live in a specific way.

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That's exactly why libtardism will fail. Humans aren't perfect, without strong morality imposed by state and religion we will ruin everything. Being productive is harder than being destructive, plus (self)destructive activities are more pleasant.

I'm an AnCap, I just don't think we should go into full muh markets right away, I also recognize demographics playing a roll so I have sympathies to national socialism.

For instance I see it as politically viable to enable a breakup of banks if that allowed for higher competition and less jewish influence.

Libertarianism tends to have an absolutism to it and a fervor to get into purity spirals(so do natsocs) so this can make a lot of them but heads until they leave.

I stay because I don't really give a shit, I am just going to create less reliance on the government and shitpost in the place with the dankest of memes.

m8
That's fucking delusional. And radical.

Humans can't tailor life around themselves the best. We're not objective animals. We're fallen beings that fuck up constantly on purpose.

JIDF detected.

When will you guys invent a new word?

which is a crock of shit. you seek to eliminate aggression because you can't compete with it. you expect people to give up on aggression, even if it's in their own best interest. the act of making people forego aggression despite it being in their own interest is an act of aggression in and of itself.

this is why the non-aggression principle is a fucking joke. you can only enforce it by violating the principle itself.

oh wait, I thought the whole idea was that you wouldn't have to use violence to enforce the system because everyone would adopt your superior ideology?

nope

you seem to think that overt aggression is the only form of internal competition. members of a group refraining from killing each other doesn't mean they've stopped competing. they let each other live because keeping useful people around is beneficial. it doesn't magically make people not try to fuck each other over in every conceivable way.

no, it's the retarded notion that ideal, common interest-based group cohesion can be scaled up to millions of people.

literally ends state giving money to corporations aka corporate welfare

it doesnt work like that
they can only pull that stuff because of things placed by the government
e.g. loans have ridiculous interest rates because other companies cant offer cheaper ones. they cant do that because regulation makes it super hard for a finance startup to establish themselves
other things big corps abuse:
- lobbying to create laws that slow down and hinder other companies
- crony healthcare laws giving them a literal monopoly in a state (thanks obamacare)
- terribly organized courts that are as a result ridiculously expensive
- copyright / IP

also how exactly are going to snuff them out?
by offering better services and products?

Who will sell bread when I own all the grain?

Garbage thread.

tbh, the founding fathers were practically the communists of their day

I used to be a libertarian, but I've shifted away from it in recent years as I realized more and more that globalism is a greater enemy than a reasonable small government. Pure libertarianism has major weaknesses on immigration and trade policy that allow a country to be abused by immigrants and multinational corporations, and addressing those problems is why I now simply consider myself a nationalist. I support personal freedoms, but I'm not willing to throw my people under the bus just for the sake of ideological purity.

Holy shit, all these statists. "If there is no King Nigger and his friends to handle everything, i will die!"

And this is why Holla Forums is (national) socialist. Fear of the weak. Even though large scale war, famine, slavery and all the worst tragedies of humanity have been engineered by governments.

Libertarianism has law on the small scale, and no law on the large scale. Small communities self-regulate and there is no large government to engineer nation-wide disasters. All that's left is a volunteer army to prevent national invasion and power grabs on the small scale.

You can even call it a federation of states. Unlike what the US is today.

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Time to invent new ebin meme, lolberg.

Or to organize crusades for the glory and freedom of our world.
Or to fund Michelangelo and his beautiful creations.
Or to defend my land from alien religion.

Your law is inflexible, a hollow form and autistic. My government is organic, it creates and nurtures.

You're a fucking idiot.

Government is a basket which allows us to carry more than we ever could alone. Our basket is currently broken and in tatters.
NatSocs and Fascists say "What we must do is build a great big new basket, and then we will be able to carry more than ever before".
The Libertarian says "What we must do is abolish baskets. Man has hands with which to carry".

But when it comes time to harvest the prickle pears, Libertarians turn and say "Okay let's build a basket. But only a small one".

America went from virtually nothing to the wealthiest and strongest country in the world with almost no government intervention in its internal markets. The problem is that since then we've abandoned the idea of tariffs and been inundated with non-white immigrants.

peope will sell something people want to eat that isnt made from grain

Ah, the old "let them eat cake" response.

To be fair, government isn't purely a beneficial entity. Look at Germany and the EU and you can easily see how a state can betray and abuse the people it was meant to help.

alright, let's just ignore small communities banding together into large communities to overpower other small communities, which has only happened throughout all of human history.

and who do you think will coordinate an army large enough to do that? surely the power that comes with commanding such a force capable of violence wouldn't be abused by anyone, ever, right? jesus christ you're fucking retarded.

Also, tariffs implicitly effect internal markets m8

When your basket has a hole in it you'll go home to find your harvest lost through it.
That doesn't mean you abandon basket-weaving altogether. You throw out the old basket and build a new one.

paleo diets are pretty popular m8

I own all the cake and you ain't getting any until you sell me some grain.

I'm glad you brought this up, since now we can get to the point of impasses that can't be solved without violence. If I still refuse to sell you grain and you need grain, what will you do?

Aren't libertarians pro-immigration and pro-homosexuality?

All the consistent ones yes.
All Libertarians are pro-degeneracy, or non-libertarian.

Libertarianism does not control immigration. If you don't want niggers in your local area, don't let them in. Just like that Bulgarian guy did, It does not require free movement of people.

Trade policy is free trade. With no taxation the libertarian country would have an immense advantage against any foreign country trading in the same goods.

It's too sad to be a meme, Shlomo.

Lenin, go back to the grave.

No your government coerces and imposes, mine is plentiful and pure. I can do that level of poetry too.

Obama sure is funding a lot of Michelangelos(muh programs) and crusades(wars in the middle east)

Nah, you're the moron. Your fascists governments have failed since the dawn of humanity. Even Rome failed into oblivion when it abandoned the republic.
Your basket analogy is especially nonsensical. A basket the size of a lake is completely useless to gather pears. There is "turning and saying". Human-tailored law is natural law.

How do you abuse a volunteer army that can only act in specific cases dictated by a constitution? Another moron.

Power is abused by authority figures, not armies. The armies of Rome never turned on Rome, instead they were used to wrestle power IN Rome.

it works like this
somebody owns all the grain
they leverage it to ask ridiculous prices
people are dissatisfied, but since they relly like bread they pay the higher price
there is now an opportunity
somebody realizes if they can find a way to produce their own grain anyway or make something that as good/better than bread, while beeing cheaper, they can potentially scoop up the price difference
so people either move on to other similar products or somebody figures out a way to lets say grow grain in greenhouse

a free market as an extremely high probability to find solutions to even the hardest and most ridiculous problems, because of the sheer complexity of the world

Of course, but they'll deny it.

Lolbertarianism is inherently cancerous, it's an offshoot of anarchism/bolshevism. Lolbertarianism leaves a nation vulnerable to an attack from any organized, coordinated state army or usurious bankers' infiltrations.

No, the post 2012 ones are but the originals aren't and Ron Paul was not pro-immigration.

No, just homosexual tolerant, do what you want in your bedroom, don't expect me to sanction your marriage, pay for your marriage, or make you a cake, once again Ron Paul was anti homosexual.

Disappointed in you m88.

So you rely on the idea that there is ALWAYS an alternative.
As if when a man buys all the water you'll find something else do drink.

Of course, but they'll deny it.

It's not just a broken or malfunctioning "basket" though; it's a malevolent entity actively working against you. Governments have turned on people countless times throughout history, and that is a danger about which we should remain watchful.

Yes, by the 20th century the US economy was already a powerhouse, and even the early reforms of Teddy's era were nothing compared to what came later. We didn't even have social security or medicare until the 30s, and internal taxes were very low.

Yes, tariffs are a form of regulation, but they work a lot better than most forms of taxation.

biased image, its clearly designed to make the libertarians look better than everyone else. It cuts out the bad aspects of a libertarian government such as the relaxation of drug crimes and a marked shift in efficiency as the government doesn't have enough money to keep most programs running, goodbye postal service and road crew.

small government is good, more power for the people etc. but its not always that easy. We need a balanced policy.

Look, the holocaust was a fake and Hitler isn't a monster but holy shit you have no idea how bad a fascist government is. First off, a website like this would be banned completely. All criticism of the government is illegal too. You don't get due process, its an in and out deal where you get your sentence immediately. You want to own guns? Haha, good fucking luck, why do you need them when the government will protect you?

Maybe a lot of people take their personal liberties for granted but a totalitarian regime is not the solution to any of Americas problems.

True, but they at least achieved prosperity at some point.
Your Libertarian societies never achieve greatness until they stop being Libertarian.

This all goes back to Marx's call for "the Abolition of the family and wives"

Show which parts of the Doctrine of Fascism or Mein Kampf that was pro fags and shitskin immigration.
Show when Mussolini allowed shitskin immigration. Same for Hitler.

This is why people laugh at lolberturdianism.

I'm not a libertarian anymore for one simple fact. A libertarian society only works if everyone in said society is intelligent, morally sound, and not willing to exploit others. Modern day America is none of those things.

most are redpilled on immigrants
and very aware that a lot of immigrants are bad
beyond that they tend to think about all the things people can make if the best from all countries come together

above all libertarians believe in voluntarism
so no forced immigration, only people who want to live in a mixed society do it
white communities welcome

most libertarians I know are socially conservative as fuck
very knowledgable and concerned about societal collapse
its not that we are pro buttsex. we dont want to the government to have to the power to tell people what to do.
personally I would kick them the fuck out of my society and definetly not let them enar my children

What?
Are lolberturdians really this retarded?

Do you even know what 'fascism' means?

Pro-homosexuality and pro-immigration do not bring unity to the people.

Throw yourself on a knife you worthless oxygen waster.

Fascists can't be pro-immigration and pro-faggotry by definition, try again lolberg.

Man, you sure EXPOSED libertarians! Oh wait. You're just another jew indoctrinating the internet in ideologies where they bend to the GOD EMPEROR du jour!

Keep getting bamboozled.

Is that why all the fronts and think tanks for lolberturdianism say otherwise?

Who are you trying to fool with this? Lolberturdians are most active in Canada and US, and they hate Trump for speaking out against spics.
How shameless do you have to be to spew this shit?

Lolberturdians also refuse to recognize the Left for the enemy that it is. Leftism can only take hold when people stop resisting it, and guess what Lolberturdians are all about?

armies aren't commanded by the constitution.

and who do you think commands the armies? every army has a chain of command.

where the fuck do you think "crossing the Rubicon" comes from?

it doesn't matter what constitutional restraints you put on the military, when it's time to act there will always be an authority figure leading it. if this is beyond you then you shouldn't call people morons.

not absolutely "always"
like 99.999999% of the time

leftypol is that you?

So the entire 3rd world gets to come into your country if they want to live there. Great job dipshit.

Then why would they be Libertarian?

Nice trips, but Hoppe would like to have a word with you.

also you would be surprised what can be done if need be

Hoppe was not Libertarian. Not even a little. He was explicitly authoritarian.

washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2015/12/18/rand-paul-just-another-fraud-on-immigration/
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So you've never heard of finite resources?

who exactly are you talking about?

Rand is a neocohen hybrid and deserves to burn.

Assuming for the sake of discussion that you can actually monopolize a whole industry without a government backing you up.

Your options would be either get excluded from society for being that faget who owns all the grain and won't sell any, which will really affect your life quality as others may refuse to offer their services to you, or accept that refusing to participate in the market hurts you more than anyone and sell your grain.

And all of this assuming you can actually keep control of it while refusing to be part of the market. Living only in grain and paying your employees in grain.

Lolberturdians people. So anti immigration.

Dont tell it to them though!
If you kill your enemies, they win!
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Take a lot more than that to take down fascism, much less leftism.
Lolbergs cant even comprehend how politics actually work. They are like those fence sitting children thinking they can convince people.
Beyond sad.

Mises.
Basitiat or whoever that retarded cuck was.
Every single lolberg candidate on the ballot everywhere.

they would be stepping on somebodies property
that person, company or municipality would have to agree
and they wouldnt if they arent retarded
and they would swiftly perish if they did

at this point its clear you need to do some reading as you have no idea what libertarianism is about

First of all, he is a proud libertarian.

the founder and president, lew rockwell, is pro trump

And as of now, the majority of lolberturdian candidates and supporters are pro spics.

And that makes ALL the articles they posted about evil racists and nazis go away right? Articles about how races dont exist?

What is the difference between Feudalism and corporate monopoly enforced by the rifle?
One is honest about itself, the other is Libertarian paradise.

This is where it becomes clear you're new. People are retarded.
and they would swiftly perish if they did
Not before those pet niggers get loose they don't.

Libertarianism is about losing. It's about losers who blame other people for them being losers wishing the government would go away so they could feel like less of a loser.

content.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1972721,00.html#ixzz1yjNZ8V8Q

that image on "ghost adventures" was actually edited from the original holohoax photo and put in the show. Not the other way around. You should stop posting easily-debunked images if you don't want your opponents to dismiss you

That second image doesn't even prove the holocaust happened anyway

He got a fraction of what his father, an actual libertarian got and for good reason.

He played the politics game and outed himself as unprincipled.

You can't just rule out one direction and push all the way to another, its not that simple. A strong government needs balance and the support of the people. A purely conservative government isn't the answer just like a purely liberal government isn't either.

We need regulations but we also need less exertion on the people. Let them open businesses as they see fit but don't allow a monopoly to take hold and destroy the market. Like all things in life, moderation is key.

And why would LIbertarians be? You're just making things up to muddle the waters, Caim. Nowhere it's written Libertarianism is one of those things. If it is, then fascism is too. Pure and simple.

Fascism is just a new age term for good old Despotism. Why else do you think they had to pick the term from fucking Mussolini, despite him being the worst autocrat ever?

Right, because recognizing over 50% of your countrymen as ENEMIES is such a

The chain of command is not made by one man and the army does not exist in a bubble separate from the world.

An army that goes against its constitution when it's made with the express purpose of defending would fall apart. Especially if it's a volunteer army. There is no higher power than an army. The rule of law inherently means nothing to an army, as well as the government. What's stopping the US army from turning on its government and its generals from taking power?

Ceasar's idea was only a temporary take-over, that's why his armies followed him. To return the republic to its original values. Not for nothing Ceasar was killed and the republic became a fascist (or despotic, if you prefer) country.

Yes, and? That's not a bad thing.

You sound like a 2D waifu weaboo.

I was just responding to the guy who said it first, using his exact language. learn to read.

link them you faggot

theyre not fascists or natsocs and nobody claimed that
if you look past the nice homogenous neighbourhood strongly nationalist societies have serious problems and disadvantages
though that doesnt mean they arent better than everything around right now.

You failed hard.

Because Libertarianism can't survive past a single generation?

Saying "inb4" doesn't invalidate it faggot. You're exemplifying the "everyone is dumb but me" mentality, as if moderation has EVER been an ideologically legitimate stance.

Why?
They already have the guns and the power so why wouldn't they work for THEIR interest, not yours?

jewpill stages, huh? I always wondered who wasted so much time making such tenuous propaganda. Of course it was Caim and friends.

Fucking look up what the word means, now. You fucking retard.

The only reason your countrymen are now your enemies is because you let the cancer known as Leftism fester amongst your people.

Fucking die.

kek

usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/01/17/rand-paul-iowa-caucuses-libertarian/78866614/

Because they're obsessed with liberties and "rights".

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_perspectives_on_LGBT_rights
try again

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Holla Forums has always been stormfront, anti-jew, anti-white-replacement.

Any Lolbertarian on here is probably a newfag.

I want to bury you alive, you fucking enemy of my people.

Party A: Kill all white people.

Party B: Kill no white people.

You: Kill half of the white people.

Sick moderate stance faggot, moderation is not key when there are clearly things that are wrong and right, morally ambiguous scenarios are the exception which requires "deliberation" not the midway.

Stormfront is babby's first politically incorrect site. Holla Forums is much worse.

Thats even sadder. Now lolberturdianism is lead by an ex IT literal heroine addict who is also pro spics and films himself with the uglies prostitues on Youtube.

Hilarious.

Gladly
There is an entire pastbin for this, but I lost it. Surely some other user can show you.

mises.org/library/minimum-wage-discrimination-and-inequality
mises.org/library/end-racism-principles-multiracial-society-dinesh-dsouza
mises.org/blog/if-we-fix-racism-will-government-be-fixed
mises.org/search/site/racism

Exactly what one expects from the real front of lolberturdianism.

:^)

Why can't you understand something so simple?
I obviously know fascism isn't, but nowhere it is written that libertarianism is too. It is false to say "libertarianism is this" as much as it is to say "fascism is this".

No wonder you're angry. You life must be hell with that kind of reading comprehension.

Cant even post "kike" on Stormfront. It has been PC for a long time.

mises.org/library/minimum-wage-discrimination-and-inequality

mises.org/library/end-racism-principles-multiracial-society-dinesh-dsouza

mises.org/blog/if-we-fix-racism-will-government-be-fixed

mises.org/search/site/racism

Just a few simple searches.

After decades of Leftist destruction, our countries shattered, our people denied their own place, culture, identity and future, you can still say this with a straight face?

You can join your beloved Leftists in their mass graves then.

is that really the best you've got?

mises.org/library/crusade-against-south-africa
From kike Rothbard himself.

Fascism is a uniparty where one small group of people have total and utter control over your life. All aspects are run by the government from a compulsory military service to martial law.

this is not a good form of government, you are asking everyone to throw away all personal liberties and rights. It doesn't matter how efficient it makes it, you're sacrificing your humanity to live in a machine.

Moderation has been a legitimate stance, just look at the United States. Sure we're not doing good now but that's because the scales been tipped to far left. One of the reasons I support trump is he holds a balanced policy, he holds a solid conservative view point but he still understands the value of certain leftist policies.

Congratulations on the strawman, it looks fantastic.

Moderation doesn't mean 50 percent on every single stance, it means checks and balances.

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Fascism is about keeping the people together. Strength from unity.

Pro-immigration and pro-homosexuality do not advance a fascist agenda. They do not unify the people.

What you said here shows you're a fucking retard at best and a shill at worst.

Your people have probably gotten rid of the monarchy for a good reason. Not only they would lord over them, but they would also say it was "divine right!". At least Hitler was elected.

Try harder, jew brigade. Your control methods only work on idiots anyway.

freedom of expression is a liberal policy so by your own logic you too are a leftist for posting on this website.

Fuck off kikel.

clearly you have no idea how armies have worked throughout history

I meant to ask earlier, what the fuck does a "volunteer army" even mean? is it people willing to put their lives on the line without any compensation? or is it that people would realize it's in their common interest to volunteer for the slaughterhouse? what's stopping able bodied men from saying "eh, fuck it, let those other guys take care of it, I don't wanna get killed"?

the fact that it has a centralized, non-lolbertardian government overseeing it.

oh sure, what matters is his "intentions" as you perceive them, not what he actually did. whatever works for keeping your little bubble intact.

Sure.

Not for peace time, of course. But it is good when rats like you and commies are running around.

;^)

Lolberturdian wage slavery in a multiculti society free of hate is so much better.

NO, it is JEWS, JEWISH MARXISTS, JEWISH ANARCHISTS, JEWISH FEMINIST-ANARCHISTS, JEW-IDOLIZING MARXIST FEMINISTS, COMMUNISTS, BLACK FEMINIST MARXISTS. read what I said underneath, I DID expose lolbertarianism for the Jewish-Marxist-Globalist-controlled/created world-rotting force that it is

Leftitsm isn't about freedom of expression, it's about censorship and hunting down any who disagree with it mainstreamed mental illness.

Nice going there, kikefag.

Fascists can define their point and agree.
Libertarians can't.

The scales tipped left due to moderation stopping any meaningful rightward change.
Now I know you're just shitting me. His policy is unashamedly nationalist and right-wing.

If one party is kill all whites and the other is kill no whites, the moderate position is "kill some whites". To kill none means you're not moderate are you faggot?

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You seriously implied Traditionalism is jewish when in reality jews work around the clock to destroy White traditions, you mongoloid nose tribe fuck.

Gas yourself.

Ok, let's look at definition of libertarianism:
cato.org/publications/commentary/key-concepts-libertarianism
>Individual Rights. Because individuals are moral agents, they have a right to be secure in their life, liberty, and property. These rights are not granted by government or by society; they are inherent in the nature of human beings. It is intuitively right that individuals enjoy the security of such rights; the burden of explanation should lie with those who would take rights away.
That's right: libertarians don't care about morality of whole society. As long as libtard can't see gang of pedos raping his own daughter, he is perfectly fine with their lifestyle.
But wait! Raping is a crime.
That means, as long as gang of pedophiles are doing everything "legal", it's ok.
However, three additional points need to be made: first, libertarianism is not just these broad liberal principles. Libertarianism applies these principles fully and consistently, far more so than most modern thinkers and certainly more so than any modern government.

I'm too lazy to dig more information about him, honestly.
That was >5 years ago.

Which is exactly why spineless moderates will hang.

Uses executive orders to get rid of the following kike organisations
FED(Kikest institution to ever exist)
IRS(2nd kikest institution)
Homeland Security(don't be scared if you're doing nothing wrong goy)
EPA(used to steal farms from white people)
Department of education(marxist as fuck)
Greatly reduce the military industrial complex(die for Israel goy!)
Enforce borders(yes he wanted this, he said a country can't exist without one)

This is why Holla Forums loved him in 2012, libertarians today are faggots, but don't forget just how fucking sick Ron Paul was before becoming senile.

I hate to quote Milo Yananarama, but he made a good point when he said "Libertarianism is all well and good until you realize it would be preferable if your daughter didn't become a crack addict".

You're confusing authoritarian left with libertarian left. SJWs don't reflect all aspects of leftism just like neo-nazi's don't reflect all aspects of conservatism.

No, you clearly support the policy of killing no whites because that doesn't make any sense to kill white people since by doing so you're doing an extreme amount of damage to society. Your example is flawed by design because it doesn't make any reasonable sense for a government to kill the majority of its citizens.

Besides, the people are allowed to own guns specifically so the government can't do such a thing. The checks and balances are for liberalism and conservatism, left and right. Its not for every policy, its to apply the right policy for the right situation to maintain a healthy balance. Keep the church out of state but don't allow the government to affect the church.

so you concede the point, cool.

He was. Too bad great ideas need to be implemented, and he wasnt the one to do it.

Nah, I just don't want to waste even more of my time on this thread.
Ron Paul is 100% anti-White faggot, there is no reason to support him.

ahhaha oh wow, just as I expected. lolbergs belong in the trash

Rand Paul*

But I thought we needed balance? Why would you go an extreme scenario?
Unless of course you finally realize that "moderation" is just agreeing with those proposing the idea on a smaller scale.
Yes it doesn't, but here we fucking are and the example was made. You chose not to take the moderate position, so thanks for fucking playing.

Do you know what nazi is an abbreviation of or do you just have brain damage?

liberty + time = current year

National Socialism is unashamedly right-wing. Socialism and National Socialism are different things you fucking moron.

I think most were into Libertarianism because they saw it as a modern version of what they 'thought' America was like with its founding fathers. However once you learn more about the history of America, you realize it wasn't that simple, and that while there was the idea of Natural Rights and a focus on free enterprise as much as they could, America was still reasonably "nationalistic" and protectionist where it really mattered.

So most have found a place in this middle road of Libertarianism and Nationalism/Facism in what I would call either Paleoconservatism or American Nationalism. The modern meme term is Nationalist Libertarianism.

While Nationalist Libertarian maybe contradictory in terms if you interpret it literally, I tend to see it as a misnomer-like term like how Natsocs here describe the "socialism" part of National Socialism; used to appeal to the national character of the country in order to convince the people to adopt a Nationalist stance (which is really the end game). Socialism is internationalist in nature, yet the NS integrated its sentiment into a Nationalist platform. This can occur with "Nationalist Libertarianism", where its Nationalist platform will integrate "libertarian" sentiments like free enterprise and limited government (sentiments being the key word). In the way that NS rode on the hype of socialism back in the day, today this new Nationalist upswing in America will ride on the hype of American fundamentalism/constitutionalism (which gets conflated now with "libertarianism").

Basically there is a need for an American Nationalist movement without trying to be NS Germany.

Leftists hold egalitarian worldview, they actually believe that nations and races doesn't exist.
Nazism was created as White racialist philosophy, it can't be egalitarian by definition.
"Socialism" part was a bait to attract former marxists.

Where is one King under God then?
Where's the aristocracy?
Classes?
Sustainable reactionary economics?

the nazi government used socialist policy.

state run healthcare, state run college, expanded welfare. Read the 25 point plan of the NSDAP, you'd be surprised how leftist they really were.

Haha, keep wailing, easily-befuddled youth. "Tradition" is good. Your "traditionalism" is just being told what to do. Tradition is the way a healthy society crosses generations. As such it cannot be imposed. Your propaganda leaflet literally identifies it with yet another form of authocracy when you're lorded over by an absolute ruler.

You're wrong. Before Nazis nobody cared about worker rights, environmentalism and affordable healthcare.

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Leftist as in pro fag and shitskin like lolberturdians? Or Atheism?
Kek

Thrown out, because the retard lost a huge war.

They were still there, owning land.

Rich and poor. All German.

Got rid of kike central bank. All you need.

Wew, you are wasting your breath here. Your retarded brethen already turned this into a shitflinging contest with their sheer ignorance.
I suggest you make a new thread and try to edit out ANYTHING that can be perceived as hostility to the side you want to converse with.

And a Fascist state does too, that does not make it leftist.

was meant for

You have to be kidding me.The nazi's were not the first people to think of any of those things.

The fucking communists in Russia were trumpeting workers rights back in 1920 (well before Hitler took power), environmentalists have existed since the late 1800's, and affordable healthcare is the cornerstone of socialism, its their biggest selling point.

Are you a kike? Because you didn't address any of the points, but dodged like one of the chosen people. Don't bother if you're not willing to do it right.

You are confusing authoritarian left with libertarian left.

they are not one in the same.

no, but what is it called when you hold policies that lie within different spectrum of the scale?

oh that's right, a balanced policy.

They're actually implemented those things, unlike marxists, anarchists and other leftist subhumans.

Go on, read about worker rights in soviet russia, you'll be hugely disappointed.

Can you name their greatest achievements?

The national parks system.

[citation needed]
Even if that's true, I'm not impressed.

All leftist trashes.

Ok.
The Kaiser was thrown out because he signed a surrender treaty that supported his abdication.
When Hitler came he was a typical butthurt Prussian Aristocrat and bitched about it.
Naturally Hitler didnt like that, so did the majority of the German people who had enough of the blue blood from ww1.

You imply that the aristocracy was abolished, yet they were still in Germany and kept their lands.
You want Germans to kiss their feets after a disastrous war too?

Thats pretty clear, isnt it. There was any special nobility left, only rich and poor and party members. Which had no tension between each other.

What part of getting rid of kike bank didnt you understand?

Socialism is leftist when it involves public ownership of the means of production, which National Socialism does NOT entail. It takes elements of socialism, but you clearly don't understand what it actually is. You call it "balanced policy" but what it is is nationalist policy. Right-leaning policy.

You're not impressed by people convincing to the government to preserve large swaths of land full of valuable resources? That's about 80 percent of what environmentalism entails, the rest includes emissions and pollution control.

The concept of environmentalism in government goes back to 1832 with George Catlin but the first big push came from Henry David Thoreau, the guy who wrote Walden Pond. Transcendentalism included environmentalism as a big part of it. Yellowstone was the first national park in the United states, 1872, and the area was of great interest to railroad corporations and mining.

Nobody cares about the old king nor the old aristocracy. You're just pointing out they existed.
Rich and poor is a left wing class system.
Getting rid of a kike bank isn't an argument for natsoc economy. It was in a bubble and would eventually crash because it prioritized efficiency and growth of production too much. That's very modernist.

So ebil staytiss stopped kike capitalists from destroying nature?
Sounds very familiar.

At what point did I say I hate all forms of statism?

For fucks sake, this whole time I've been saying we need a balance between the state and personal rights.

So what are you? Lolberg or Monarchist?
I would be comfortable und Monarchism too, if you can bring it back.
Thats a big if though.

Only because there were many hostile states surround Germany. Hitler aims were always to establish a semi argarian state after the Endsieg.

And why do you think that I was attacking you?

That's actually impressive, but I don't think the government did it for free.

You're my least favorite poster because you don't understand anything that's been going on in the thread.
You want a balance between state and personal rights? So does every single other person in the fucking thread. This isn't anarchy vs Slavery, it's National Socialism vs Libertarianism.
We mock you because even at our basest we have a more defined position than you at your fullest you dumb cunt.

Monarchy or aristocratic republic. I don't think I'll be able to bring it. It'll have to reemerge in Europe on its own, organically. Until then I'm sure populist right wing borrowing from natsoc and fascism will emerge and keep the continent afloat from time to time. But I don't think it's a long term solution. My point is that these systems have just as much in common with leftism as with rightism and will memetically mutate to the left if they are kept for a generation

I wonder what'd happen if there was no war. Fascist systems kind of proved themselves with Pinochet, but even there the state gave up eventually. Natsoc is under question.

Looking at Iran, you can kind of see it as being an Islamic fascist system, but with more emphasis on religion than state itself. Again, leftist slide exists even there.

how about just being a nationalist?
Being picky about good ideas just because of its labels is just plain stupid

They didn't, they did it at a great loss.

The land itself is worth substantially more than it gets from tourism and in the early days around its founding the government had to keep a regiment of the Calvary stationed to keep the parasites out. It was worth it in the end though, an absolutely beautiful place to go, if you've never been there I highly recommend it.

I'm more pleased with the system the government uses now (voted party makes decison etc.) than with either of those options. National socialism is only appealing to a small number of people, great for a tiny country but horrible for a giant one like the US. Nazism has too much state control but Libertarianism has the opposite problem, it privatizes too much making the government all but useless.

I think both proposals are too extreme for a country like the United States.

Back in the Ron Paul days I identified as a lolbertarian but I HATED the open borders bullshit.
Then I found Holla Forums

Then I think you're the dumbest cunt in the thread.

What do you mean by "just being a nationalist"?

Yeah, I've seen far too many "libertarians" support the idea of hate speech laws. It's sickening.

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Fuck off.

basically natsoc without any of the antagonizing crap like lebensraum.
if you want others to respect your sovereignty you gotta respect theirs.
reject imperialism and colonialism.

:^)

most of you natsocs here on Holla Forums are pretty much imperialists under a different label
also because fighting american (proxy-jew) imperialism with imperialism just doesn't feel right, am I right?
gotta label yourself as an underdog

No.

Peace is a desire, war is a fact; and history has never paid heed to human desires and ideals.

so you support kikery such as interventionism and world policing?
you actually want more shitskins crawling into your homeland (as second-class citizens or "undocumented migrants" same shit really) under the pretense of betterment of your nation?

Kek

Except what I posted was and still is German land, and is no where big or far enough to bring shitskin in.
Try harder.

No, I'm just pointing out that wars are inevitable.

Sorry, but you're retarded. Imperialism and colonialism ≠ open borders or similar shit. Imperialism and colonialism are ways of getting more land for growing population.

lost clay is lost clay
you cucks lost for a reason
it's because you are inferior peoples

yeah enjoy contaminating your genepool with slavic shit and nordic/finn shit
no self-respecting nationalist would come up with something as ridiculous as lebensborn

of course the wars are inevitable
but you don't bitch about being a fucking victim if you're the one who fired the first shot

it's literally the same shit under different label
you're bringing in foreigners one way or another by conquering foreign lands
it's a fucking slippery slope

I thought you people were struggling to BREED to begin with to fill the lands you own, you greedy subhumans

lol, what the fuck are you talking about? We don't even have this issue right now.

In fact, we are getting colonized, yet you're shitposting about things that will not happen in next X decades.

Libertarian bro here.
The Ron Paul is stronk with me.
Voting Trump since he said audit the fed

so now that you know what it's like to be on the receiving end why would you want to support ideas that will lead to you doing what the kikes are doing at the moment?

Kikes aren't colonizing us. They're just working with their "assets": White countries are difficult to control, plus there is always a chance of getting another Hitler. What's the solution to this bad goy problem? It's simple: Americanize Europe and other countries.
Make Europe as diverse as possible and promote interracial conflicts to keep goyim under control. Bonus points for completing talmud quest.

that already happened, boyo: marshall plan
except that this Americanization only led to more exposures of vulnerabilities which allowed the (((elites))) to exploit further

this is now a shitposting thread

America's Founders were pseudo white nationalist slavers who banned homosex and decadence that only allowed white land owners to vote.. They were not 'Libertarians'.

Their racial views were even stronger than most of ours. Most of us Nat Socs would probably be considered prog by their standards. "All men created equal" yet not Non-Whites which meant they didn't even consider Non-Whites to be human.

Us Fash have always been closer to the Founders than you Libertarians.

not many because pol is full of little children with abandonment issues who crave a father figure to look up to and make all of the decisions. they are cowards and will externalize all responsibility at the first opportunity, whether it is genuinely legitimate or coopted. when it comes down to it, most faggots here are slaves to a collectivist hivemind culture where even as they act enlightened, they submit to the screaming hordes in fear of scrutiny for a dissenting view. and that is good enough for most people. because in reality, the vast majority of people on both sides are hipsters, thinking their side is "anti-establishment" and they crave to be a part of a movement even though they possess know real philosophical wisdom to back any of "their" views. im not saying people here are not correct in a lot of their views but if you ask someone to break down why they're correct, you will get the most laughable explanation because even they can not truly follow a logical progression to an end. they have never had to because they have never really been alone with their thoughts and really came to know certain laws inherent to our existence. so how can you expect these so called people to be able to find the answers to the issues that plague us, when they are not even aware of the root cause of them?

see now that is laughable to somebody who truly knows what the word even means. you cant regulate morality, moral truths are inherent to existence. you can either choose to live in harmony with them, or you can let the law of karma work its not magic. what is right is true and what is wrong is false. their is no good and evil as you perceive it. those concepts have been created to make you submit to the relativistic worldview that (((they))) have been molding for a long time.

by the way, of course a libertarian society full of plebeians plagued by hedonism will get conquered. that will always be the one real issue. the quality of the individuals forming your society.

lolno
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Oh oh, what do we have here? A proud shitskin or Amerikike mutt?
From /k/, I presume?

not even close, you need to shape up your labelling skills

Nationalist Libertarian. As in, libertarianism and free markets only work when the Jew and shitskins are expelled, and things like usury are illegal. And when leftists are prevented from holding any kind of political power. Think a Starship Troopers like system.

So what are you? What kind of subhuman?

WEW

If not

Come on. You lot embarrassed yourselves enough already.

What the fuck are you talking about? I didn't say jack shit about that socialist "paradise" Star Trek crap. The only way Libertarianism will ever work, as I have said, is by denying leftists political power. via force of arms if necessary.

do you know where we are? if you are not a national socialist then lololol at you. if you do not support working for the benefit of others instead of reaping the benefits of your own labor, then fuck off shlomo. because this is simply an issue of getting the right god emperor in office.

of course most people here are natsocs though, we in a state of war. socialism builds massive coordinated armies. too bad those armies are controlled by the zog. so lets all laugh at more advanced philosophical ideologies while making the zog stronger with even more government.

Do clapistanians seriously think Left and Right work like that? Also, libertarianism doesn't end corporate welfare, it enforces it. And as big businesses are allowed to rampage freely, snuffing out everything that is smaller than them, it will eventually lead to less economic freedoms for the consumer and SMEs.

False. After the state stops protecting big firms from competition, small businesses are able to compete. Natural monopoly is a myth, both historically and economically, all of the examples of so called "natural monopolies" in the early 20th century had literally dozens of competitors and held only a small fraction of the market, also, diseconomy of scale eventually outweighs the benefits of economy of scale, large firms cannot adapt to changes of demand easily, they have to undergo the costly process of restructuring all productive capital, communication with all of their branches, etc. and economy of scale means that while a good business plan is much more profitable than it would be, business mistakes are also a lot more expensive so there is much less room for trial and error. Smaller entreprenuers can implement changes within a week or even a couple days and scoop up market share much faster, if anything smaller entreprenuers have the advantage. Natural cartelization doesn't work either because it is very hard to get every single person in an industry to cooperate, and if even one of them defects they scoop up a majority market share immediately and put the rest out of business, even if a cartel is stable short term and new entreprenuer can completely undermine them.
mises.org/library/myth-natural-monopoly

I used to be an anarchist, but then I became a libertarian after becoming an adult. I stopped being a libertarian and became paleocon after I actually grew up, if only because NatSoc is unattainable during this interim.

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elaborate and break down what you are trying to say, with reasoning.

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If Holla Forums is so shitty, why stay?

Wouldnt be lolberturdianism anymore, would it? NAP would go right into the trash, because in lolberturdianism, preemptive strike isnt allowed.

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Everyone here hates leftscum, but no one has been attacked by the ascension of Trudeau, for example.

Oh boy.
Back with moneyjew. Only pirates dont pay taxes.

Nationalist Libertarian reporting in for a single post.

I must also note that this level of narcissism can only be found in lolberturdians and the /k/ types.

This is beyond sad.

Nope. This is my first post in the thread. I'm posting from my tablet in a bureaucracy course.

I'm not a Libertarian. I hold some Libertarian views, such as wanting limited government. I also hold Conservative views and Nationalist/Nativist views. In no way is a Fascist like the founders. The founders of this nation absolutely despised authoritarianism. As do I, which is why I'll never support Fascism. I will never be a slave to the government. I will never allow a government to censor me.

Exactly. If someone pulls a gun on you you don't have to wait for them to fire to kill them.

And I'm not an anarchist. As long as the state stays out of daily life and simply exists to secure the borders and resolve disputes, I'm good with it.

im not supporting the existence of pink haired sodomites and trailer trash just because they are white. the reason i support nationalism is because whites are the only race to ever form a system of governance with a philosophical backing in harmony with natural law. not because i just happen to enjoy looking at white skin while beating molten steel with a hammer in a gulag that is going to be formed into a machete to be sent to some niggers in the congo fighting a civil war over elephant tusks that are being sent to china to grind down into powder so shrimpdick chink maoists can get their dicks up to fuck little boys on camera for their super special clubs initiation rites when in reality they are going to get blackmailed by jews to usher in the messiah so each jew can have 2800 slaves in the afterlife.

That's what I want. I want a limited government that tends to border security, trade etc., but does not, in any way, attempt to regulate or infringe upon the lives of citizens. Government has a purpose and I don't believe that purpose is to infringe on the personal freedoms of citizens. I don't believe that extends to all humans, just citizens. Non-citizens should be extended no rights whatsoever.

I'm a libertarian, but I also believe all non.whites should be killed.

He's so new that he doesn't even know who Ron Paul is.

Wew!

D&C

Is that a FAMAS?

Nigger, there is no fucking world in which you will have 'all the grain,' but the closest anyone can come to that is the state. The fact that you would even ask 'what if I have all the grain' means you live in a fantasy world, where you think anyone cares about impossible scenarios.

Kind of funny that you attack someone by comparing them with someone funding their business/show with donations. Also, not an argument

And the best thing about the right to bear arms is its good for the national average IQ. The stupid people really remove themselves from the gene pool quite quickly.

This.
Lolbergtarians are eternal losers.

"[Libertarianism] runs from ‘left’ advocacy of total anarchy to ‘right’ conservatism. The one common denominator of all libertarians is the support of free trade, the essential prop of international capitalism, Libertarianism is not a viable political philosophy because it is as unworkable as communism, and can only be accurately described as a secular religion. As with the faithful of all religions, hardly two libertarians agree with each other on all doctrinal points."–Willis Carto

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Yes, we are all federal agents, Jews and useful idiots here now.

Good catch. Culture is closely tied with race to the point where it could be used inter-changeably.

tl;dr libertarianism is autistic moralfaggotry. When fascists take over, all lolbertardians will be killed because we aren't moralfags and we don't care about your nonexistent rights.

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Right, because just like all those University Marxists, your larping ass is actually going to change things. You're both extremes that never will have profound influence in this nation. You're just a little larping faggot on the internet, and that's all you'll ever be. This isn't Europe. If you try to put a dictator in office, we'll kill you. Simple.

says the autistic 1776 LARPer

My ideology has existed for over 200 years and is still held highly amongst hundreds of millions of Americans. We're not larpers. Unlike you we're not trying to be something we're not. This is our heritage. You'll never have power here. It's that simple. Play little Nazi on internet forums all you want. Just like the little larping Communist faggots, you'll never amount to shit. There will never be a dictator in this nation. You're the vast minority. You and your Communist buddies. You're a joke.

Which means it's even older and more outdated that National Socialism.

How often do you wear a Tricorne and fly the Gadsden flag? Did you stop after the Tea Party, like every other remotely lolbertarian movement, failed?

kek

they're cucks that think their 'freedom' to grow heroin poppies in their back yard is more important than the survival of their people

libertarianism would do absolutely nothing to stop the problem of the rich international jew infecting white societies with their propaganda - which isn't surprising since the pioneers of libertarianism are all jews

also libertarianism is not possible with shitskins - yet I've never spoken to a lolberg that wants to deport the lesser races (that would be like those eebil naazis!!)
it says a lot about lolbergs actually that their go-to insult is 'fascist' or 'nazi', just like libcucks

You call it outdated, I call it time tested. It works. Your ideology however does not. It always ends in mass violence, whether a genocide or war. There's always mass censorship and oppression. There's no big difference between Communism and Fascism, or even Socialism for that matter. You people can glorify Nazi Germany all you want. The fact remains it was a hell-hole for anyone that didn't conform. Just like any communist country is. Fascism is not time tested. It has never existed long enough to be. But from what we've seen as it has been tried, it has acted very similarly to Communist regimes.

Anyway, it's never going to happen in the US. It defies the very core ideology of the vast majority of Americans. That's why the extreme Left is mocked in the US, while it's celebrated in Europe. The vast majority of us will never accept authoritarianism, while that's all Europeans know.

Which is why the US is in such great shape today?

Accept it, you failed, LARPer.

No, it's in worsening shape because of shitty Euro authoritarian ideologies that infested our educational institutions, and from there our society and politics. Say what you will, but socially we're in better shape than Europe, and we've been exposed to this shit for nearly a century now. Like I said, we mock extreme Leftism here, while in Western Europe they celebrate it. Eastern Europe only opposes it because only until recently they've experienced what it feels like to live under Communism (which is exactly what it would be like to live under a Fascist system). Americans will never accept an authoritarian system. Say what you will, but that's the fact. That mentality is the reason why, unlike Euros, we have free speech. I'm not giving that mentality up because your unfounded hero Hitler hated Jews, just like you. "We're so similar! I'm a Fascist now!" If you lived in a fucking Fascist state you wouldn't have access to this website. You'd be severely restricted in what you could do or say. Again, to a Euro that sounds fine, but not to an American. We have a completely different mentality and a completely different view of government and authority. Euros believe they're beneath their government, while we believe the government is beneath us.

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I love how jews sew on their own gold stars to be identified publically on Holla Forums, how considerate.

Yes or no question: Did the Cohenstitution fail to protect us from the current state of affairs?

No, it did not fail. It's the sole reason we still have freedoms that most other nations exposed to these extreme authoritarian ideologies do not. It's the reason we can still change everything without one drop of blood. If anything the people failed the constitution through complacency. However that's changing, and we still have that constitution to protect our speech, unlike Germans and the like, who go to prison for saying things we say on a daily basis over here. Anyone who thinks it has failed is a fool. It has stood up to so much abuse without any defense from the populace, and still it stands to help us when we need it most, which is now.

Ok, so it didn't fail, and the current state of the US is fine and wholly Cohenstitutional.

Good to know, keep on LARPing,

Pretty sure he's just an autist.

Either your reading comprehension skills are terrible, or you're being purposefully obtuse.

You're the LARPing faggot, Obama is your Marxist dictator, he was loved by Saul Alinsky.
What are you doing to get rid of Obama? Nothing.
LARP more faggot

When the lights go out, we have already won.

If only…

lolbergs are cancerous liberal autists.

Ron Paul: Immigration not solved by barbed wire, guns
theguardian.com/world/feedarticle/10072567

Ron Paul is Anti-Racist
theguardian.com/world/feedarticle/10072567

Ron Paul: I have always made it clear, and will continue to do so, that my message is based on the rights of all people to be treated equally.
Any type of racism or anti-Semitism is incompatible with my philosophy.
Ludwig von Mises, the great economist whose writing helped inspire my political career, was a Jew who was forced to leave his native Austria to escape the Nazis.

> Therefore, for me to advance anti-Semitism in any way would be a betrayal of my own intellectual heritage.

- Ludwig von Mises, Nation, State, and Economy, page 10

- Ludwig von Mises, Human Action, page 87

capped.
The problem with libertarianism is that many sensible arguments would logically lead a reasonable person to agreeing it makes sense.
Unfortunately there are serious problems which cant be solved making it an unstable political system which will evolve into something better or devolve into something worse.

problems:
No borders, no control of who is in the society and ho is not.
No recognition of race and racial differences in cultural cohesion.
The moral avoidance of aggression to pathological proportions.
A libertarian society is defenseless to outside aggression or outside economic/financial manipulation.

At best, libertarian is a transitional political model passed through on the way to something more stable and workable.

Randal Howard "Rand" Paul

So Ron Paul is clearly no Nazi when it comes to homosexuals.

Everyone with all the respect must watch the debates of libertarian party.

No matter who you support. You need to see how civilized they held their debates.

"Left: Tolerance of others property rights."

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Are you fucking kidding me =3

Leftists are the most intolerant people alive.

Moron, the other moron said "Any Lolbertarian on here is probably a newfag." even though a large % of people on 4chan/pol/ supported Ron Paul back in '12 and probably in '08 too. Not because he didn't want to build a real border on the mexican border but because he was going to attack the Federal Reserve system. There were many nationalist libertarians with a small L who supported Ron Paul. Were you born last year?

Are you the grill in this one?