International Competition Announced to Design 'Trump Wall' Between USA and Mexico

I feel like if we just properly invested funds, and not did any stupid deals or back scratching, we could cheaply make a virtual wall. We install sensors up the ass so that a lizard couldn't fucking cross the zone without us knowing about it.

Sensors to detect underground activity as well.

Then we just have response groups who can move in and deal with them.

I am currently working on the ethical and moral question of what level of force is allowed to be used. Because they aren't just people lost or "trying to get a better life". Since mexico is sanctioning it, they are at best federal criminals, and at worst active hostile invaders.

In either case, lethal force seems permissible. I don't want to be heartless, but if these response teams just showed up and gunned everyone down, I don't know how morally wrong it would be.

Having a train there would be ample for terrorism, not good.

Heres how we build it you lazy faggots

10 ft deep and 50 feet high

Concrete

Made out of large seperate slabs like OP's picture but each collection of slabs gets a mural done on it by american artists for all the spics to see.

On the support columns inbetween the slabs will be 13 stars molded into the columns going down

along the top is a rail system for the boarder patrol to use so they can sit down while the shoot spics

Speakers so we can tell them the age old american phrase "fuck off, we're full" as well as blast "Stars and Stripes Forever" and "Party in the USA" whenever we feel like it.

If we have a bit of money left over we make a mechanical frenchman to insult the spics from on top of the wall like in monty python (i know its not american but god damn is that scene funny as shit)

Any thoughts?

Or pound rebar underneath.

Yeah nah cunt

I imagine a pretty nice concrete wall with when you approach the door separating the countries: large golden eagles on each side of the door, perhaps either holding arms or 'pulling back a curtain' to 'open the door' or perhaps holding a flag across the top in a kind of coat of arms that spans both sides.
I also like to think that maybe the wall can be easily walked on at the top, maybe a classy Hotel and casino there as well, with great views well into America and Mexico.

You have to go back, Pedro.

MAGA

DEPORT THE SPICS!!!

He's Australian, dude. How new are you?

Yeah, it's not like crazy mexicans can bomb it.

The Trump wall should be made out of 400 foot by 150 foot by20 foot slabs of Precast reinforced Concrete

I wouldn't consider it morally wrong at all, but you have to take into account that the opinion of a Holla Forumsitician is going to differ from normie opinions.

Not really. Tunneling isn't as easy as "lol shovel+mexican" for depths greater than a few feet. You start needing to shore up the sides and the ceiling of your tunnel, and because of the depth, the dirt is compacted more densely, making digging harder and removal a greater part of the digging process. You also need to worry about ventilation. All that work is seismically active. Put a few seismic monitors at the foot of the wall and it'll be easy to detect an approaching tunneler. Then kill it with one good hit from a small explosive. Job's done.

Somewhat related question: how many years that Wall will stand? Is it possible to make it last even more?

I don't want to see another "fall of Berlin wall".

They'd just cut it once they tunneled that far.

I always thought that the wall was a bit of a basic way to explain things. Honestly as long as ICE was mandated and allowed to do their jobs, and we put up a fence with seismic monitors and drones, and again.. actually let people do their jobs, there's not much else that needs to be done.

1) Make and let ICE do their job
2) Use modern tech to help ICE do their job
3) Put up a basic fence, inspect fence

4) MOST IMPORTANTLY actually change quotas and law for legal immigration. Including from countries that are not Mexico/CentralAmerica

A wall alone is both overkill and not enough depending upon which way you look at it.

Not saying that the idea didn't get people talking about immigration, that's a good thing

"fall of wall" implies "fall of US"

What we really need is to tighten immigration law and actually enforce it. Walls etc are tools that may be useful once the law enforcement agencies are allowed to do their job, if needed

Have you ever done any work underground?
Lets say the wall uses a 10 foot foundation, load bearing concrete. Below that you've got 6 feet of rebar. At 12 feet down the pressure on your shoring structures is 5000kg/m2, or, a fucking lot. Now you've got to haul an angle grinder under there to cut through the rebar, and that fucker isn't working on batteries. So after you haul your power, and your air exchangers and everything else under there you have to worry about the vibrations shaking your made-in-mexico bracing loose. All while thinking that american sensors that can legit track a pebble falling on a quiet day can't pick up your mexican ass fucking around under there.
Your digging speed is going to be atrocious, and easy to disrupt with simple charges. You're fucking boned against anything non-military, and if the mexican military tried to fuck with Trumps wall, they'd get invaded faster than you can say 10 feet higher.
A lot of the bullshit with the border is that nobody can take initiative, nobody can do their jobs, and everyone is demoralized, because of executive orders and feelings.

How long has the Great Wall of China Lasted so far

A wall wouldn't be necessary if we just executed everybody that crossed. Execute about the first 100. No one would dare cross it for a decade. Maybe after a decade some more will probe the border to see. Execute them too.

All that energy and effort building a wall. Same goes for deporting illegals too. You can deport 30 million or you could round up about 1000 of them and broadcast their executions. Watch them scramble as virtually every one of them flee for their lives to reach Mexico.

A physical Wall is important to show that we mean business and that border security is of the utmost importance.
What's more important is the metaphorical Wall: the Wall that tells would-be crossers and their exploiters in Mexico, and by proxy the rest of the world, that the United States is not some gold mine for anyone to rob and strip free. As long as everyone else knows that the Wall stands tall and free, and that the gate through it is small and heavily guarded, then we will start to see the deluge of immigration begin to reverse.

What kind of explosives would you need to get through reinforced concrete?

This is one thing that actually matters. Another is that Mexico is now third in new entries after China and India which are LEGAL

Law needs to be changed, the communication between Trump and the public needs to be changed, and law enforcement needs to be let off the leash and in some cases purged and replaced.

The wall was great because it showed the public wants something to be done, but the wall is not going to accomplish much by itself

A wall will be a nice Symbol of the Trump presidency

This, we need to also export chinks and Pajeets as well

They are killing us one invader at a time, it`s a slow death but a certain death. Kill them all or build the wall.

Seems like a good idea. Maye put some solar panels on it so it`s self powered?

Dubs here is right, although it`s not much fun to think of it that way. Drones flying 24/7 and satellites with ground penetrating radar could probably find most invaders. It`ll give NASA a change to MAGA again.

I would support this. Remember, they are killing your kids and grand kids one invader at a time.

I wonder if someone would tear down the wall after the Reign of the Trumps. Or will it be like gitmo "We want to get rid of it" post election : lol jk".

The problem is that without a wall, any future democratic president could easily reverse all of Trump's policies.

Look promising to tear down the wall is what some Democrap will do to pander their way to the nomination and then get Blown away

I kind of get depressed when reading the thoughts here about immigration regarding the US considering it's the topic I think we all care about most. Or should care about most.

Most of the opinion is very basic and without much understanding about both the current situation or the things that could be done.

Nobody understands that most of the Mexicans that wanted to move here are already established. Nobody understands that the big barrier to stopping the new immigrants (which are asian) is the tech companies.

We're much closer to a Canada or EU situation than almost anybody understands and building a wall was a solution to a problem about 30 years ago.

Everybody is pissed off about immigration but focused on the wrong things.

I just hope that Trump actually changes focus and tries to impliment a pro-white immigration policy and tells the big companies to fuck off regarding visas, tells all companies that they will pay if they hire illegals, enforces the border with tech, and deports illegals when found.

The wall is important only because he said he would build it. Understand that most of the Mexicans that wanted to come here already did. That's not saying it has no use for stopping more central americans from entering but it's such a simplistic way to look at things

That's part of the point. A lot of voters look at things simplisticly, and a wall gets through to them much more easily than ICE reform.

What is "deport them and prevent their return" for $400, alex?

It's only a start, and something to motivate the public. It misses most of the important things. If Trump gets elected I hope we're all smart enough to keep on him and not just trust that he's our hopes and dreams. We also need to be more informed in general about immigration because it's the most important thing, and most of us seem to be focused on really simple views of it, not even understanding things like that China and India are number one and two for new entries. Perception lags reality.

Great, now tell average Joe that the work isn't done when a wall gets built

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The wall will probably be utilitarian in design. It's likely not going to be some fancy monument & will only stand there to serve it's purpose. It would be interesting if they got a little creative with it, but I don't think that's feasible when you're trying to make something that YUGE on a budget.

I have this bit of hope that the reason that Trump talks about Chinese business is that he doesn't want the competition in real estate. On the other hand perhaps that huge influx in monies that can't be invested in China could be appealing to him. This is another "ask Canada" subtopic

Why not both?

Build the wall and execute everybody who manages to cross through?

Anybody want to offer some sites that have indepth discussion of US immigration?

I have

vdare.com

But they are basically a constant fundraising drive even though Steve Sailer is good

Also

refugeeresettlementwatch.wordpress.com/

A 100 foot-deep trench would probably do the trick. As long as you has snipers in watchtowers to pick off the wetbacks after a heavy rain.

My favorite headline last week was about how illegal immigrants were clamoring to get legal citizenship for fear of Trump. The man hasn't been elected president yet and he's already making illegals fix themselves.

Read his page on illegal immigration, he plans to do just that.

Trump makes his enemies do his work for him.

Maybe its my euro sensibility but a concret wall is ugly. What about a stone brick wall, medievel castle style

The wall is just a propaganda piece. All you gotta do is remove the incentive for mexicans to come here illegally to begin with. No welfare for immigrants no reason to come. If you don't want ants stop leaving sugar on the floor.

But the wall should be made of steel, spiked with rotting Mexican heads skewered on each dripping into the moat of blood.

Why would you want to watch at the direction of Mexico though?

You have to consider how exorbitantly expensive it would be to make a stone brick wall along the entire US/Mexico border. It's over 3000km long. That's like building a wall from the boot of Italy all the way up to the English Channel.

Sure the Chinese did it, but the Chinese also built their wall out of human corpses and suffering.

Your point being?

BUILD THE WALL
BUILD IT TALL

COLLAPSE THE DRUG TUNNELS ON THE FILTHY SPIC MEXICUNT CARTELS HEADS

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lmao

Easy, any rate the market offers is, by definition, fair.

Should I send this?

That's not average Joe who doesn't understand that, it's retarded Ricky.

Most people understand how many immigrants have invaded us from the south.

Has it occurred to you that if the wall were built some liberal fuckfaces might build a tunnel under it starting from the American side?

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A physical wall greatly limits the necessity of lethal force to only the most dastardly of wetbacks.

Im still very partial to the idea of ramparts and guard stations every 500 feet.

Thatswhat ground sensors are for. As well as monthly ground penetrating radar patrols

How about building a moat on the boarder and putting killer sharks there?

And after the first couple of morons are thrown in prison for treason, damaging federal property, and Iding and abbeting narco terrorism which would have their entire liberal organization hit with the rico act

that hasnt stopped the North Koreans, it wont stop pablo

Because Kim Gook Park can't be bothered to secure his own borders, since he thinks Uncle Sam will always come and save their plastic asses.

dont ask that mai lay skank who made the vietnam wall to design it.

It's Trump. It will at least be something other than brutalist. I wouldn't be surprised to see Trump dump some of his own money into this.

Donald Trump has already stated that an Israeli company will be designing and constructing the wall on America's southern border.

We're already building the border wall for Saudi Arabia, maybe you'd want something similiar?

t.Germany

Trump has already talked about this, commenting on how Europeans seem completely locked out of immigration.

He's genuinely in favour of making it easier to immigrate from Europe specifically and has openly said so, as well as curbing certain visas used by companies to import Indians and Chinks at the cost of American workers.

If he manages even half of that, it'll be glorious.

In English or in spic runes?

English, obviously. They came to our country they need to learn it. Their first lesson is how to read "Warning: Minefield".

Don't defame runes that way.

typical burger delusion

spic runes is a European language

What's your point?

make it the same depth underground as height above ground

Uh, guys, what's to stop the beaners from going around the wall and entering by the coasts of California and Texas?

The police

Also border patrol has access to boats I believe

Well basically I just copied the design we have now. Then I added these fins to lower wind resistance, and this racing stripe I feel is pretty sharp.

That is interesting.

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inb4 loads of hip and brave and snarky and cool left-wing architects submit their so-ironic and funny and so-cool designs mocking that nasty bigit Drumpf.

he was talking about the cost of a stone and brick wall user

do you think everybody who works on it will get to engrave a brick with their name on it

guys.. We need to spread the idea that if we're going to build 1000 miles of infrastructure, for a fraction of the price more, it could be equipped with flywheel storage devices and green energy generators that could supply electricity to the entire south west

As a geologist and engineer, my concern about the wall is that its going to be built over tectonically active land.

The entire Southwest region is undergoing crustal extension for reasons that I'm not going to explain here, and the wall would undoubtedly traverse at least hundreds of right-lateral strike-slip faults. Because of how active the region is, my concern is that the wall will need constant maintenance when any one of these faults moves under the wall and causes it to fracture in that area.

I recognize that this issue is essentially unavoidable and we will do what is done with any other road or train track that moves with the earth, that is, get a crew over there to patch up the issue but I am more interested in coming up with a design that would make the wall more resistant to this type of damage, and ultimately, save money on maintenance.

This is not correct. This is not even close to correct.

We need to end birth right citizenship

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just attach generators to the turnstiles for mexicans being forced to leave

It's funny, everything in this election seems to revolve around Trump. It's as if he's already President.

Why not build a mountain/plateau instead?

Just move the earth into the form of a natural boundary and be done with it.

It cant be that hard, and I cant imagine it would be more expensive than building an actual structural wall.

You know, in WW2 there was a saying: the bomber always gets through. It's also true with this: no matter what, the spic will always get through.

Instead of building a wall we could just invest in RWDS patrolling southern towns/cities rounding up any spic who can't speak English and/or produce papers. Also offer cash rewards to people who report an illegal spic. This will probably more effective and less costly.

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You can charge Mexico if they are letting people through from South America.

And yeah intelligence is better than something physical. It's cheaper and more effective. The physical part only needs to be a basic barrier / warning. Should be built to last 100 years, though, but only maybe 10 ft high.

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What happened to you to destroy your mind so thoroughly?

No you retards I'm talking about the cost of building the wall out of stone bricks "medieval style" so it looks pretty for European sensibilities vs building the wall of out industrial cement so it's affordable, doesn't take 50 years to construct, and offends European sensibilities.

Why cant you just tell me why my idea is shit?

Actually you're on to something.

More electrical transmission is needed, and if you're building a wall you can easily tack on an electrical transmission line and not worry about additional right of way. It happens to be a good place for solar energy so you could make it a green project.

Stacking dirt does not produce a steep enough hill to stop humans.

With building a wall that can ensure shit goes well for us again and also ensures that no one gets past it without permission, you need to look at 4 main things to prep for before all is well:

1.) The obvious tunneler situation. You need to ensure that the cartels can't just pour their funds together to cheeki breeki their way under the wall to the other side and thus keep business going down as usual, as well as dealing with Pablo who starts shoveling like a madman every day to come over to our side.

2.) Some Mexicans will inevitable try to snackbar or bomb the wall to try to go through it if they can't go under it. Meaning the wall has to be strong enough to survive your typical IEDs and other explosives for a long, LONG time to deter bombers and so forth from making a hole in the wall.

3.) If they can't go under or through it, many Spics will try to go over the wall instead. Never assume they won't try to use all matter of ladders, vines, towers of people and god knows whatever else to try to reach the top and then go from there to enter. So you need to make sure they either don't get up top, or stop them once they do get up top.

4.) If under, through and over don't work, they will just try to go around it via the oceans themselves. Meaning you also need to ensure that aquatic cheekiness can't be used to make the wall pointless.

If you can handle those four problems, and keep the public from going "BUT THEY'RE HUMAN BEANS LIKE YOU OR ME WHO WANT A BETTER LIFE, LET EM IN PLS ;_;7", then you're golden for life.

Pic related. It would help the eastern U.S. use renewable energy from the south west.

We could still have a decent looking wall even if it's cement-based.

Just paint gold stripes on it or something.

Deploy this thing, and fill it with dirt form in front of it. You now have a dirt wall.

I'll take any wall, really. We wouldn't want this thing to not take off at all.

whatever is built is needs to be manned. a deployment to the Trump Wall must become part of the training schedule for active duty infantry and military police units at the very least. it should be worked into reserve units as well, though theirs would probably be much shorter in length and be part of their yearly training.
with the switch insurgencies and low intensity conflicts you sit on posts looking for assholes trying to plant IEDs, smuggle in weapons, etc. proficiency with with monitoring equipment and running training operations on the border is worthwhile training.

We need to end birth right citizenship

It needs to have lots of guard towers(with machine guns of course). A unmanned wall won't do jack shit. Cameras are good but you have to have men on the wall for it to actually work.

also put marines on it fuck border patrol

Bonus! If they try to climb over it they get fried by 500,000V!

That thing is not meant to last and probably very expensive.

There's no getting around the cost or time of building this.

But you may be interested, dams are often constructed of dirt then covered in concrete to hold it in place. As you were saying, dirt is cheap.

Literally embedded related.

– Donald J. Trump

(Forgive me for misquoting the emperor)

So the Great Trump Wall will be:
1. A YUGE barrier
2. A monorail system from Texas to California
3. A solar energy harvesting operation

With it costing less in the long run than the US already pays for dealing with illegal immigration annually already.

How could this ever be conceived as unfeasible again?

It could also power the Ronald Raygun.

What the fuck is with people thinking this is just a wall? I expect that from Leftie faggots, but not people here. This wall is one part of Trump's plan to fix immigration problems. From allowing border patrols do actually do their job (unlike Obama); to removing sanctuary cities; to cracking down on those employing illegals; to depriving them of any benefits whatsoever; they'll have no incentive to come here. People don't come here because they can, they come here because there's a benefit to it. Remove that benefit and we wouldn't even need the stupid wall. Remove those benefits and they'll all head straight to Canada instead.

I doubt that'd even be worth investing in.

It would cost less than we give to Israel annually. Only a low energy pessimist hater thinks it's not possible.

btw I mean electrical transmission on the wall, not solar panels

They normally pay over that, just to soothe ruffled feathers.
Still, with the number illegal invaders that swarm the country every year, some of them vadalizing personal property & killing cattle to eat along the way, I don't think they'll have much trouble with getting the land to build a wall to help stop this.
I just hope the design is such that climbing over it is a time-consuming & dangerous proposition.

Just sell it that way to leftards. They eat that shit up.

And electrical transmission works.

and just like that I'm erect.

what about wind? is it windy in the plain parts of the border?

Why not just a deep trench on the U.S. side, filled with razor wire?
That should thwart those tunneling under or trying to climb over.

True… I'll never forget this brilliant idea.

Here's an example of a transmission project.
powerfortheplains.com/about/index.asp

People usually forget, it doesn't matter how much green power you have if you don't have the transmission. Power transmission isn't as sexy as solar panels.

They all said that Trump running was a joke.

They're not laughing now.

Walls are built downwards as well as upwards. Why do people think a wall ends once it hits the dirt?

What was the point of this? It always felt so artificial like the gov't was weaponizing leftist memes

Why does nobody bring up the fact the Chinese build the Great Wall of China over the course of several hundred years?

Because it's filled with the corpses of Chinese citizens.

Nobody wants a Trump wall so badly they're willing to build it with our flesh and blood.

neat

gooks are a lot smarter than mestizos, but yes it is a possibility worth considering

That's only if you're counting all the walls (a lot of people don't know it, but the great "Wall" of China is actually a series of walls) as a whole, each individual one usually took less than 20 years to build.
One of the really famous walls build by Qin Shi Huang took 14 years.

ever heard of foam? You don't need a thirty foot deep concrete foundation to stop tunnelers, all you need is a buried set of tubes, fill them with pressurized fire retardant foam. If the hispanics try to dig they'll fill up their tunnel with foam and die.

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your 100% correct and I've been saying it since the beginning. I wrote a little in

but I seem to have been ignored.

What part of "Mexico is paying for the wall" do you not understand?

I think it's so local governments can claim to be green. It was no more than a viral video like Kony 2015.

It would make some sense to throw solar in there if it were easy, but it's definitely not. Glass is a horrible road material in every way.

No, no. You're misunderstanding it, user.
Those are the periods of time those dynasties lasted, not how long each wall took the build.

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THEY ARE NOT LAUGHING ANYMORE

If leftists could build a tunnel by virtue signaling on Facebook, then I'd be worried about that.

It's really shocking to see this becoming real.

Trump always felt like some figment of our imaginations, some Holla Forums shitposter we pretended was a real candidate. Now CNN is making animations of his idea.

Just one question.. doesn't this mean the Meheecans will just sail around the Border and land on some Beach in the middle of nowhere?

what beach in the middle of no where? Have you seen the Pacific coast?

We actually protect our ocean borders, though.

you're right. california is uninhabited and people shun it's beaches.

Have you ever been to California beaches, user?

Ya this. I don't buy that the tunnel has to be anymore deep than necessary to sustain the above ground portion (not an insignificant task in a place of dry sand).

There are seismic monitors (basically a baby Richter scale measure), ultrasound scanners, underground radar, chemical scanners, even dogs can pick that shit up. It's always cheaper to monitor with human, animal, and mechanical.

The wall just serves as a foundation that makes it harder to get across without effort, and easier to base hq / attach surveillance people and equipment to.

GIVE US A NAME!

Do people believe that this is possible to do with out crashing our economy?

I believe you can also use multiple seismometers to triangulate exactly where the digging is, kinda how they locate earthquakes in 3d.

Isn't there something like ground penetrating radar as well? Finding tunnels is obviously a big deal in war.

Trump has already said there will not be a solid wall from from the pacific to the gulf. There are natural barriers he will take advantage of. There will be walls in high traffic areas, cities, bottle necks, etc.

If anything, there will be walls near cities and tall fences elsewhere. All of it patrolled.

it pays for itself you stupid rethuglican!

We already grabbed an 800 foot tunnel under the border.

Once you go below 10 meters, GPR can't find you without getting into stationary designs.
Its much easier to dig deeper than it is to find them, all the more so as long as the US wants to build cities on the border.

The answer is simple, the US must destroy all of its cities on the border and move them away, then dig a 100 foot deep by 900 foot wide trench and plate it in concrete.

What are you guys arguing about?
The numbers for a wall have already been crunched, it would take 4 years and around 10 billion dollars, would be 5 feet underground & 20 ft. high. If you made it higher than 20 ft. or a little more fancier, then Mexico will simply have to pay more.

It's not that huge a feat.

But Mr. Trump, the people demand it. Solid and tall from coast to coast.

We already have walls in those places.

He's admitting then its just rhetoric and grandstanding, which was expected.

You still haven't figured out how to get Mexico to pay more.
The US pays Mexico 50 billion in trade every year for importing more than it exports.
The whole make Mexico pay is reliant upon the proposed halting of remunerations, which would mean policing all money transactions from the US to mexico, including the intermediaries.
Lots of government there, more than it would cost for the wall in fact.

I'm worried the Californians would just be cheering whenever they saw the boats.

The fences will be replaced with concrete walls because fencing has proven completely ineffective, hence the need for a wall.
The importance of the wall is to slow the invaders down until ICE can get there to stop them (hopefully shoot them, but I'm a bit of a dreamer).
The harder it is to penetrate or climb, the longer it will take the invaders to get through, and the more likely they will be spotted, either by patrols or drones.

The real method needed to deport illegals & to discourage them from coming in, is to arrest, jail, & fine anyone giving them any encouragement or aid, and that includes business owners, landlords, and state officials that give them ANY amount of social services…this is ALREADY illegal, and all Trump has to do is enforce existing law.

The Coast Guard already does an excellent job of patrolling the oceans for illegal entry.

The Coast Guard should also patrol the Rio Grande with gun boats. And rename Rio Grande to the Trump River.

Trump has already explained this, and it doesn't really matter.
The cost of the wall will be easily covered by our decrease in the cost of social programs when every illegal is no longer using our welfare system or our schools.
And the water system in California will cease to be burdened with million upon millions of illegals that shouldn't be there right now.

Uh, user…the Rio Grande is what we back north call "a creek."

That's exactly where Donald intends to get the money from. Freeing up money by reducing what we lose to Mexico on trade effectively makes them the ones paying for it. It's a little more tongue in cheek than it is true, but it perfectly sets out the mindset behind the wall. Instead of letting them screw us on trade, we're going to play hardball with them and we are the ones that can actually back up a tough stance. If Mexico tries to pull some shit, we can flatten the government and cartels with drone strikes. Mexico has no power projection, nor even the power to talk back to the US.

FUCK Mexico, and fuck Mexicans. The wall just got higher.

systematic death of a group by legal means has never worked well as a deterrent.

I would still support a illegal crossing death penalty but for other reasons

Ive used these to build bases in Afghanistan. You can even stack them on top of each other. The hescos are only good for temporary, immediate protection. They're useless after one rpg, or we'll placed grenade. Not exactly a border wall.

Seems to work well for Mexico.
Try crossing into Mexico illegally & staying there, see how fast you end up being raped in a Mexican prison.
Letting illegals starve in the U.S. will drive them back to their homes, as there will be nothing here to encourage them to come.
Illegals should NOT be getting welfare, jobs, or schooling in the U.S., and those who are giving them these things are committing a felony.

Immigration law 8 US Code 1324

Immigration law, 8 US Code 1324 states that it is a crime to, either knowingly or recklessly, “conceal, harbor, or shield from detection, or attempt to conceal, harbor, or shield from detection… transport, or move or attempt to transport or move” or… to even “encourage or induce” an illegal alien “to come to, enter, or reside in the United States, knowingly or in reckless disregard of the fact that such coming to, entry, or residence is or will be in violation of law"

AS FOR MUSLIMS:

8 U.S. Code § 1182 - Inadmissible aliens
section 14 (f) in effect since December 24, 1952

"(f) Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President
Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate. Whenever the Attorney General finds that a commercial airline has failed to comply with regulations of the Attorney General relating to requirements of airlines for the detection of fraudulent documents used by passengers traveling to the United States (including the training of personnel in such detection), the Attorney General may suspend the entry of some or all aliens transported to the United States by such airline."

How about yuge river.

I always imagined Trump's wall as a bunch of lined up Tesla coils.

We have this thing called the Coast Guard, who are currently doing fuck all under King Nigger. This sort of thing is literally their job.

Leftists are obsessed with building super trains to nowhere. Trains should only be for cargo. Poor people take Greyhound. Everyone else drives or flies.

Trump Creek is more than big enough to be patrolled by riverines. fucking squids were making a big deal out of them while I was at infantry school. they delta company's barracks. only real interaction I ever had was when they tried to do a moto run to the chowhall on a friday night. about a quarter of them fell the fuck out during a mile long moto run.
I'm sure they can sit in their boats though.

LEGAL immigration is the real problem. 90% of LEGAL immigrants are non-white. we have to stop ALL non-white immigration, both legal AND illegal. the 1965 immigration act has to be repealed, and bring back a modified 1924 immigration act which allows only white people to come to america regardless of how "skilled" the non-whites are.

I really do hope the 1965 immigration act is repealed at least.

But I like having room for my long ass legs. Fuck airplanes and fuck the 23 hours I had to spend next to a crying chinese baby with literally no room to move in any direction.

i'm a bit worried that trump hasn't said anything about legal non-white immigration. but remember, two weeks before he announced he was running he ordered a copy of ann coulter's book adios america. and he read it before he announced. so i'm sure he knows. but maybe he's keeping it quiet until he's elected. democrats would go apeshit of he mentioned legal immigration since they know the goal of non-white immigration is white genocide.

Then buy a car and say goodbye to all public transportation. That's the American way.

Europeans are learning the hard way why Americans hate public transportation. Being locked up with muslims and blacks for hours at a time is a nightmare.

Okay but how do you get them out now?
The people hiring them aren't going to give a shit, and Congress is still in big business pockets.
EO only work for a very limited way and can't even shut down fucking pot shops in DC!

Ok so it takes a year to get a new work site up and running 2-3 for factories.
So to take that 50 bil from Mexico a year, we won't see anything until next election.

So nothing again.

We already do have a wall, we're getting a better one.
Your bigger issue is stopping the demand for illegals in the US, something that requires beyond NSA surveilance, and a change in laws and the idea of government.

I would rather start with H1Bs and this whole technical outreach shit first.

Let the niggers and spics play in the fields doing shit work.
Give Americans the actual paying jobs first.

That's more of a congress issue anyway, and yeah it's probably too touchy a subject for where he is.

Yeah, it takes RWDS. Society ain't getting fixed until the streets run red with the blood of traitors and foreigners.

WHAT DO I WIN???

But that will just corrode the spikes over time.

Acid resistant spikes, retard.

Israel has massive wall around country, no one bat an eye.

Trump wants to build a grater wall, everyone calls him a racist.

Kids these days.

oh shit

Again how do you find them?
These guys aren't in the cities, they're out in the countryside as isolated farms or manufacturing sites.
You then have to watch and make a far removed spectacle public.

The same thing that keeps them hidden now, keeps RWDS from being effective.

Is your plan to just be lol terrorists and murder whoever you find because its easier than finding the three poisoned skittles in the bowl of M&Ms?

Actually there was much anger and hatred for the Israeli wall.
Its also shit and frequently broken through.

You're just too young to remember.

So silicone?

That's not what was meant by fuck the illegals.

Oh you.

I just told you. see

They will when they are arrested, charged, & fined on a monthly basis.

Fuck congress, Trump does not need congress to enforce laws that have already been passed.

Wouldn't that just turn into a river?

I own a car, problem is driving sucks dick and I can't relax and play on my Vita when I'm driving halfway across the country.

This is only a problem on local transportation. Niggers love buses for some reason, it's not like they have anywhere to be.

If they aren't in the cities, they don't fucking matter. Drones can raze their shacks in the country, and RWDS pick up any that try to enter cities to engage in trade. They aren't fucking hidden now, the people that are supposed to be policing their presence simply don't care.

You are lazy and want the government to waste billions of dollars just so you can play your video games. Are you a Bernie voter?

Well, you can only do a project of that magnitude once in a lifetime so I hope they do something interesting with it.

Possible alternate version.

I remember the days when a thread like this would be filled with wall designs.

LOW ENERGY POSTERS

Train tracks are already built now you dumb nigger. Might as well use them. Enjoy spending hours of your life behind the circular jew.

The moment they do is the second that Mexico guarantees they lose everything from Tampico on north.

Baja peninsula is rightfully American land.

Actually he does.
Again, ICE does not have the manpower, nor do the states care.
As well, Congress is able to easily alter the budget to protect the businesses as he cronies they are, much less enshrine that it is ok as with the DREAM act and more.
EOs don't get to override that, nor can the executive powers.

You ever notice what is really needed when people dig under a river?

Its also because the Rio Grande is the definition of our southern border and cannot be messed with by treaty.
That would definitely screw over the US to play with that, along with again, presidents not having that power.

German.

But think about all the jobs that will be created to build it.

I would take a job as an acid-spike maintenance worker or drone pilot (work from home!) at this point.

Just put us to work Mr. Trump. Fucking please.
Im fucking sick of seeing all of the entry level work in my industry handed to street shitters while the corporations involved whine about no qualified workers (for positions with impossible requirements).

I would consider quitting my job and moving to Texas for a chance to help build the wall.

oy gevalt

i just read too expensive and then shitposted (you)

We had a thread like that many months ago filled with wall designs.

My favorite was one where the mexicans would fall down on the america side of the wall, which would turn an electric generator and land them inside the deportation office.

I would recreate it but it would be inferior to the original.

We've already had Holla Forums threads on this.

I'm sure Trump is intelligent enough to hire a technical person to handle security of the wall. It literally only needs to be a big concrete wall - and then sensors, sensors, sensors.

You can easily determine if someone is actively tunneling under the wall, and even if you couldn't, you could determine if there's empty space.

As for people scaling the wall, it would be so easy to program turrets to target humans and hit them with rubber bullets long before they reach the wall. Hell, I'm a hobbyist programmer, and I myself made an air soft turret that will shoot at birds landing on my cherry tree.

Then people are saying the wall needs to go down as well. I don't believe so, but it wouldn't increase costs as much as people say. And now that I'm thinking about it, you could even have drone patrols, that recharge their batteries every checkpoint or something. Totally automated. The days of having a person every 10ft to guard a border are long gone. I really don't know why people don't ever take technology into consideration.

Honestly, I kind of want to build a mini-wall maybe 100ft in length just to show how easy it really would be. My grandpa has a backhoe and so much concrete it'd make your head spin. Or maybe I'll setup a US-Mexico border in UE4 with all these features, that'll be fun

Oh shit!

People on the other side will actively attack it at vulnerable areas until they are able to pass through it easily

Digging under it
Using ropes or stuff to climb over it
Even blowing it with dinamite

That's because the cartels take a big share of all the human trade, so your hopes of a wall actually stoppping anything are just delusional

I'd like to see this option in place

You're wrong, but if that were true, all the more reason to try and stop them.

What's wrong with that? That's a good excuse to start shooting them and declare a war on the cartels.

Lol it begins anew

Well it's habbenin

No harm trying

You're assuming that there won't be guards at regular intervals watching for suspicious activity.

literally terrorism. they couldn't get away with it alive

No, he does NOT.
He can start arresting city councils, state representatives, mayors, the very first hour he's in office, and he wouldn't use ICE he would use the Justice Department, and there's an FBI office in every city in the U.S.
ICE would raid the apartment complexes as they do all the time, anyway, and this time they'd be hauling the landlords away in handcuffs, and if the landlords did not eject their illegals, they'd be arrested all over again the next month.

Eventually, no one would dare to do business with illegals as enough examples would have been made. This is how the law works, this is why you don't need as many cops in a city to enforce the laws as there are potential criminals.

If you think the U.S. Federal Government is helpless, then why aren't you robbing banks all over the country?

I'm sure it will become an interesting topic again now that it's actually close to becoming reality.

user, they're Mexicans, not Brazilians. Shouldn't you be using some kind of greased pig to represent them instead or something?

Oh, alright, as an Norwegian I've never met a mexican. thanks for clearing this up

How do the cartels intend to deal with a fleet of missile equipped drones patrolling the airspace over the wall, seismic sensors embedded under the wall, and border patrol agents stationed at observation towers each covering vast segments of the wall in order to call in drone support or unleash hunter-killer packs of Boston Dynamics' land traversing robots?

Shitskins with ropes and shovels mean NOTHING to the Indo-European master race.

What's the matter? You sound like you're not up for a challenge. Are you that defeated? I mean what happened, did your balls drop off?

A fleet of Cessna's and private airfields on both sides of the border.

Nope, not FBI's job.
That's federal Marshals, and there are rather few, and they have to work out who to go after to the effect of the law.

As well, the Landlords are not allowed to be charged for homing illegals, as there is no requirement in the US to provide and authenticate ID for the housing contract.
Doing so means yet more government intrusion.

Again, this stuff has been suggested and tried before, it works great if you aren't trying to make tiny government out of people's lives or realizng how for every step you take, somebody (kikes) are working it out a mile int their favor.

As well, the bigger issue is the legal immigrants and visa workers, of which the president does have full control over stopping.

But that doesn't have the decade of anger behind it to go after as with illegals, despite the fact it has the greater impact.

Seismic sensors don't work if you're doing it in a city.
Hence the tunnel in San Diego.

You have to clear out all the stuff on the US side back some good distance and then build it all up with the murder wall and drone controllers.
And then buff the drone control network, build the infrastructure, etc…
tens of billions, and that's before L&M adds int he cup holders.

Trump Wall

This is my take on Trump's wall, what do you think?

fag

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Enjoy the camp, untermensch.

You're gonna need it.

That only continues to work if the ZOG is maintained. The first time they try that shit against a fascist US, those birds are getting shot out of the sky.

If we set our minds to it, there is nothing that the lesser races can do to oppose us. The ONLY thing holding us back are race traitors. Once they've been put against the wall and shot, we're going back to a policy of whole-sale slaughter for enemies of the race.

Every European blooded American that has ever had to live near shitskins will support the total halt of non-European immigration and the segregation of non-whites with established residency. The niggers and spics will whine, but they'll just as quickly shut up when the alternative is going for a swing from a tree.

And yeah, seismic sensors work perfectly if the government actually bothers to use them. Of course they let their pet spics have free reign over the border at present, but that time is over.

Enforcing federal law IS the FBI's job.

I just posted the federal law they will be charged under, and every landlord asks for I.D., I used to be a landlord.

Besides, just arresting city officials and state officials for giving illegals any kind of welfare would easily be enough, as they are violating federal law, too.

And while Obozo the white house chimp has fought to stop state & local police from aiding ICE, Trump could just as easily issue the order to accept their help.

There is a hundred things Trump can do by executive order that the congress has no say in. Part of the President's job is securing the borders, and he's given great leeway to do it, he could even call out the military, now that Posse Commatatus has been shot down.

No seismic doesn't, all those trucks are 4.0s, while the pickaxes are 3.0 events.
They are hidden.
Its seriously been tried, it doesn't work in a city, it works fine in the country.

And no, many people are all too happy to say "Oh but they're smart or trying!"
WHich is why its good that that can be turned off by the president solo.
That will be the tell if Trump is serious or not.

They checked the ID, but you could just as easily hand a fake one over and they won't bat an eye.
That requiring to authenticate means more money to checking them, same as with gun permits.

And then you have to actually build a case over it and move through it all.
Observe how much effort is going over for Hillary to make sure any charges stick.
That is what would have to be done for each group.
Trump will be out of office before the first ones finish.

Nope.
If state and local don't want to help, the fed can't do shit to compel them.
Well they can pull federal funding, but plenty of these places will alst and make it clear of government over reach and all.

Link?
Like that's pretty big and pants shitting terrifying.

dude the thing will cost like 10 billion

thats less than the cost of 10 fighter jets

I tried.

If the wall isn't 100% American there will be hell to pay.

Especially if they try to take the lowest bidder of international goods.

Cement missing calcium?
No thanks.

Humorously, you want to buy from the State run shit in China, that's how you get certified and good quality stuff.
Too many skintflints buy from small firms that don't charge much for very good reasons.

Actually since the wall is a functional plane all you'd need is a series of sensors at the base of the wall which would give you the location on that plane.

It's already done with gun permits, and I would be leaning on those that hire illegals more, anyway, after all, the infrastructure to arrest them is already in place.
But like I said, get rid of the welfare freebies & illegals will not be able to undercut U.S. workers in wages as they wouldn't be subsidized.

And congress can be pressured by Trump's followers (of which there are many & growing) to make the penalties much harsher for renting to or hiring illegals. When the penalties are harsh enough that nobody wants to take the chance, then you'll see business owners and landlords do whatever they can to insure they are not “encouraging or inducing” illegals to stay illegally, as the law states.

Because I don't like driving? Come share the road with the maniacs I have to and tell me you still enjoy driving.

That's the trick though, isn't it?

Your bureau's the problem. Be an example.

Easy, use concrete slabs like the israel wall. Put steel in-between each slab and making sure each slab has rebar both ways. So if one slab breaks, we can just remove and replace it pretty easy. 1st we need to dig 25 ft deep so we can pour concrete and place sensors if they try to come under ground. Then have 35-45ft tall slabs above ground.
Must have a manned watch tower ever 1kilomitoer along with cameras IR leaving no blind spots along the wall. Have sensors on top of the wall so we can detect if someone goes over it. Have a 15ft fence 20 ft behind the wall so we can a paved road to travel to nessesary locations if they try to cross it.

Why? Do you live in a city or something? Protip, don't live in a city. You should move to a rural area or a town of less than 10,000 just like 80% of white America.

THe differnece being though is that guns are a federal thing (hello ATF) housing is not.
Now we do have the SAFE or whatever it is to run people through at reputable places, but the issue is that the places illegals go to naturally don't do that.
Nor is there an effective compulsion method that doesn't expand the surveilance state even more.

You'd also wipe out a number of US jobs as well.
McDonalds and Walmart will rapidly collapse, taking several million jobs with it.

And Congress will magically follow why?
What can you offer that doesn't exist now, and doesn't fall into sedition and rebellion?

I read this as a joke. Them my brain snapped to and I realized it's not. If anything that is low for the f35. Mfw.

The problem is stupid people are behind the wheels of potentially dangerous machines. Whether we call the driver or the DMV the problem it doesn't change my dilemma, I don't want to get t-boned. You're just arguing semantics.

I wish I had more of a choice in the matter user. One day, but not today.

Sage for off-topic.

Sections 1031 and 1032 of the NDAA bill, section 1031, would be interpreted as allowing the military to capture and indefinitely detain American citizens on U.S. soil. Section 1031 essentially repeals the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 by authorizing the U.S. military to perform law enforcement functions on American soil.

Frankly the wall is only part of the solution the bigger part is what Trump can do to disencentivize mestizo trash from coming in the first place.

Tell that to Israel.

Yep.
Building a wall isn't hard.

Its the fact people are aiming for a super wall over something good enough to work and deter 80% or whatever.

Yeah, see the part missed there is far more about us getting turncoated than it is some military roundup.
That once the military gets used, the risk to all of us of actually being killed is now forever on the table.

Last part is flat out, that's Congresses job.
The remittance part is the fun part to work on, since otherwise it devolves into Holla Forums tax pretty easily when somebody drops it in.

Dipshit if you put the wall a few hundred yards on our side of the border they are already violating our territory just approaching it. Sonic, olfactory(humans give off hydrogen sulfide), and termal sensors both on the wall and in us terrorist outside the wall can detect their approach. In the case of thermal sensors or cheap drones we could detect them tens of miles from the border and have someone dispatched from the local guard center to that location. And if they continue to violate our territory, open fire.

This isn't a housing issue, it is a matter of enforcing the federal law I just quoted above.

No, they'd hire unskilled citizen labor and high school students, just like they used to.

Because they like their phony baloney jobs, and the people would have shown them they are willing to vote for anybody else but them, if they don't agree to Trump's agenda.
Hell, I'll run for congress myself, just to give people a pro-Trump choice.

That already violates several laws and would get your shot down today.

Not if you have CIA/FBI/ZOGbot assistance like they do now. Also I'm pretty sure an international drug cartel isn't too concerned about breaking laws.

Welp, I guess I'll have to take an assignment with the monitoring team on the wall just so I can post an "I told you so" on the seismic sensor net. It's going to work and it's going to be great.

And no, most people are all too happy to agree with the status quo (rather than the ideals which underlie it) while secretly understanding that shitskins are truly shit. They know one or two that are "okay" but won't be caught dead entering a ghetto because they know the truth. Once the liberals are dead and gone, the average citizen will applaud the work of the RWDS.

Individual ownership and usage of automobiles for every citizen is horrendously inefficient, especially in cities. People don't need the freedom of movement provided by autos, so a fascist society will structure itself around the more effective alternatives. Of course you'll be free to purchase an antique auto to drive on closed circuits as a hobby, but day to day transit is moving away from that. The future is high speed rail, computer controlled self-driving vehicles networked together for maximum efficiency (truckers replaced with self-driving cargo haulers that don't need to rest and can join together into perfectly controlled 120 MPH draft trains as well as personnel transports able to anticipate the patterns of usage for populations such that they become buses with automatically customized routes, which will necessitate removing human drivers from the road to ensure they don't fuck up the system), and a social re-invigoration of athletic modes of transit such as by foot or bicycle.

It violates many laws and yet happens more or less daily because the ones in charge of enforcing those laws are part of the operation. The flights themselves are "on the books," but the details other than flight plans get swept under the rug.

Actually the last part isn't hard the budget passed by the Congress just determines the budget of the bureaucratic agencies. The executive branch decides how they are used by obstruction of different aspects of their word(see Obongo). Also the Executive could appoint officials who would ask for budgets favor able to our interests. I don't think that the faggots in congress actually read this shit, so will they notice that the budget for "reuniting families" is suddenly allocted to "killing mayan scum"

Since when has the military NOT been used to stop foreigners from invading our country?
These are not U.S. citizens in the first place, and thus cannot really be classified as "civilians" from a U.S. perspective. If the Russians sent 40 million of their troops over here, unarmed, after declaring them "civilians," would you not see it as an invasion & an attempt to take over the country by subversion?

The military is MEANT to protect our borders, that is its primary job, its reason for existing in the first place.

And again how?
You say enforce, but if I say I carded them, its not my problem anymore.
Once you start hitting things like Birth Certificates and two government IDs, you start impacting many Americans.
Which by your lower argument, COngress would not do.

No, they'd close.
They're only profitable when run this way.

Have fun with that, just remember, no donations and its free to run.
Otherwise, you need a minimum fund amount.

Incorrect, with Posse Comit, the military is not allowed to be armed and used on US soil.
Without it, a shit load of bets are off and you suddenly do run into all the fringe stuff of domestic drone strikes way to soon.
Our military has been meant to be an offensive one ever since it was made standing.
Before that, it was a defensive army, called upon when needed.

True, probably close enough.

I believe the tunnels are mostly done around cities, where they can put the entrances into existing structures. In that case you'd wanna know exactly where the tunnel is to avoid excessive disturbance. Maybe after initial detection, set up sensors to pinpoint the location.

Found it

NO THAT'S RACIST

Pic unrelated?

The point is to destroy urbanity and become a rural society. The US currently has 2.7 times the total industrial oupute of China but all the that industry moved to industrial parks and rural areas with good rail access. We have the most efficient freight rail system in the world, far more than the Eurofags who use trucks for 80% of their shipping while 95% of all tonnage moved in the US is moved by rail. One of the reason passenger trains are retarded is the fact that it interferes with freight rail right-of-ways. The US is more feudal than fascist, it is by its nature a German-Anglo-Dutch thing with some Patties and Spahgetti slurpers who came in later. You're not going to get an urban volkish society in America, the population was put under selective pressure, 60% of all those who emigrated to America prior to 1965 returned to their country of origin. Our entire system was based on the yeoman farmer and later the pseudo-aristocrat industrialist/businessman.

Public transport is utterly worthless in such a rural nation where traffic functionally doesn't exist for most white Americans.

Also automated trucks or cars are a pipe dream, the environment on the road is fundamentally unpredicable. The kid of systems needed to collect and interpolate the data for safe operation in that environment might even be fundamentally impossible for silicon diode computing due to the limits on circuit density and computations per second we are encountering.

Practical solutions like murdering all non-whites and liberals are better than pie in the sky technology which may never develop in the manner or to the extent demanded by some vision of the future.

Frankly they do get busted constantly though it is relatively uncommon as a means to move drugs in comparison to just bringing them though the ports.

Holla Forums, post your wall designs.

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>>>Holla Forums

I'll point out that in my area all the chains stores hire white kids and women who supplement their husbands income, there are no niggers or beaners to hire. This is true in much of rural America.

People actually saved and reposted my shitty drawing?
Biggest day of my life!

You mean the less than 20% of America part?
Blacks outnumber you guys now.

I've posted it a few times before as well. It was the best idea from the thread because it solves the energy crisis as well.

Well then technically right now they are. Check out whats happening in the border states, especially in California. The military and local police can't do anything.

The tech already exists, with a 100% safety record to boot. The only reason automated vehicles cannot exist on our roadways right now is because of human drivers. There exist today vehicles capable of detecting pedestrians along roadways, stopping, and projecting an illuminated crosswalk for them to use. MASS implementation of automated vehicles is the future, but the reality of today already includes vehicles capable of driving themselves more effectively and safely than humans. Google removed the manual controls from their test cars because humans were usurping control in non-emergency situations and then causing those very situations by their intervention. That's how pathetic humans are in comparison to the tech that exists right now, let alone what will exist in ten years if we commit to making a better society rather than bending to the petulance of car enthusiasts more concerned with their own pleasure than the good of the whole and Luddites unable to comprehend the visions of those smarter than themselves.

Agrarian America is never coming back for similar reasons. Automation makes the land-locked family of farmers obsolete and unnecessary. At least for that task, we still need those brave European blooded folks for colonizing space. Command and control software becomes less than effective when having to coordinate over such vast distances as to induce significant delays in signal relay. Just look at how hard a time the people at NASA have driving around the bots on Mars. If we want the stars, we have to go there in person. Self-sufficient colonies in multiple locations are necessary to ensure the survival of the species as well, lest we fall to the destruction of a single planet we could have easily escaped by now.

Tell that to Michael Hastings. Computers do what you tell them.

"In person" in something a lot more secure, less dependent on oxygen, and a lot more fault-tolerant than what we're walking around in now.

Are you talking about mechanical / nano technology or straight-up gene experimentation? Or just exosuits?

Border Tank Battalion when?

oh ho ho ho

you don't think the united states military can take the cartels?

you have no idea of what's about to be unleashed

Under what conditions. Driving is more than being able to keep it on the road and having preprogrammed stops and circumstances. What happens when a deer comes across the road? Most of the time people simply stop and no accident occurs is the car going to be equipped with a device which can visually identify such a thing. What about unexpected debis on the road. What about dindus in the cities? The speed at which the computer can interpolate data and what data can be visually collected is extremely limited. Google runs their cars on pre-programmed routes in mapped areas with all the objects in the environment having set values. The only thing they deal with are the What will the vehicle do when it encounters snow? Can intemperate tactile information, we have fly by wire control for aircraft but the systems still fail under turbulent conditions. All reaction is limited by speed at which data can be collected and interpolated.

What happens when you have heavy cloud cover and the GPS doesn't work. Or have vegetation in the way, like on so many country roads. That's one less source of data. What happens.

You don't seem to understand how hard it is to get AI to interact with unforeseen events and how hard it is to interpolate sensory data and turn that data into useful information. You as an organism are made to do that because every organism which could not died off.

And that rural America you see as outdated is what produces the largest share of oil in the world, is the largest single production market of manufactured goods, produces all the food, have more STEM degrees both in total an per capita than the urbanized areas, and have white birthrates far above replacement.

Cities themselves are what has been made obsolete. At one time they were transportation hubs. But the overhaul of the rail system in the 80s after deregulation changed that, now small towns with huge rail yards from the 50s are what is wanted. Communications made distributed management of corporate resources far cheaper than having a central office in the city. And if you do want one anyway, put it in an industrial park away from the urban area proper. Liberals put the nail in the coffin with their regulations.

Blacks discounting "hispanic" blacks account for 9% of the population 12% which "hispanic" ones are accounted for. All hispanics account for 17% of the population.

Are you fuckin bout m8 or are you honestly retarded?

Shills like this know it will work great. That's why they're scared shitless.

You're getting a wall whether you like it or not Paco.

You were at 19.3 % in 2010 and falling .5% a year.
So you should be now below the black population as w whole.

The simple fact is most people want to be in cities and live there.
This really isn't a surprise.

It will work just as well as the Great Wall of China.

THis is actually rather entertaining if you know your history.

You're a wimp, user. Face it.

You don't want a full-size four-door ford from the 1970s, spruced up, and ready to cruise in. You just want to commute on the bus, like a pinko faggot. There's no getting around that.

Any and all of the above.

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Oh, I'm sorry. I thought you didn't want to be tracked by your needless digital firmware.

I guess you'd rather pay programmers to jack up your car on purpose, so you can pay for repairs later, than tune it yourself. Sad!

My idea is almost certainly retarded and the wall would probably collapse in on itself, but it was fun to think about and maybe somebody could make a better version.

I was hoping for cool theories / propositions.

Posse Comitatus has been rescinded.
See above.

I wish you could come drive in my city for just an hour.

have no wall; just a good fence, perhaps not even that.

instead tech up a massive array of security cameras, sats, (not necessarily flying)drones, even sonic scans devices for underground tunnels, constantly scanning the entire perimeter in various ways.
and several task forces ready to intervene and stop whoever cross it of course.

who is a wall even going to stop?
even a massive, ridicolous, 50 meters tall wall with spikes, electrical barbs and bullshit on top can be climbed in 2 minutes with a well designed ladder(which can be utilized by many people for a fee; rapefugeeing is a business remember);
and underground tunnels are always an option.

An american gravitational waves detector menaged to detect black holes having sex one gorillion light years away; American companies menage to scan trillions of data packets to spy the activities of billions of people.
Can't you do the same with every vibration that originates from a narrow strip of land some hundred kilometers long?

I like it, if we paint the wall flesh, and the barbed wire in the bottom black, then we'll have womyn complaining that the wall is literally the phalic patriarchy.

I'll harbor a guess, and say you're a faggot cyclist on the west coast, either that, or so pathetic that you'd actually take a Taxi.

I don't know what made you think I don't drive. I wouldn't hate it so much if I didn't have to experience it daily. Continue your shit posting regardless I guess.

It has to be modular so that we can 10-FEET-HIGHER it every time the spics do something.

We already have that wall, and no that's not how sensors work.

All this misdirection and defeatism over the viability of a wall. Wew.

Pathetic. Your car should be your pride and joy, or at the very least, as symbol of your effort. As far as the Model T, would vehicles be seen as the American Dream's finishing piece.

What's the model, user? Are you happy with what you have?

Look at what the US government defines as "cities", any town of more than 4,000 is an urban area and townships linking them are termed "urban corridors even if they contain large rural tracts. They expanded the definitions of what constitutes urban, possibly in an kikish attempt to push for urban interests.

When 80% of the population lives in a township or borough of less than 10,000 inhabitants calling it "urban" is more than a stretch.

I like it but I would make a point of filling the trench with seawater (just digging it right up to the ocean on both sides) or sewage (use it as a treatment plant through evaporation). That way anyone that tries to tunnel under would drown.

Do have bitumen?
Then you're urban.

Indoor plumbing?
Urban?

No minorities?
You're rural.

why build a wall when they will just destroy it/climb over/dig a tunnel

only shooting them will help

Yes because materialism is the path to happiness, thank you Chaim for your wisdom. I'll have to remember to spend 3 months salary on a diamond ring too otherwise how could any women ever agree to marry me without such a symbol of my effort?

I like the train a lot. Are they going to camp?

What if I'm a petroleum geologist with lots of bitumen and no minorities?

That's why you also make it a highspeed railline and integrate several nuclear power plants into it. You need high security anyway for power plants so it can double up as boarder security. Then use cameras and drone patrols to detect anyone jumping the wall and just interecept them. After a while they'll give up.

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Except a diamond ring won't get you around town, nor will it be a status symbol that actually shows what kind of person you really are. Just a rock, which a car is not.

I'm waiting for you to tell me the model of your car, user. Ashamed?

Take your meds.

These store mechanical energy by rotating. Store. Not generate. Where do you get the energy? The wall is not to be used as an energy production facility. Maintenance literally on the border is not a good idea.

From what I know, flywheels are used in things like wind turbines, but only if the generator is disconnected, to store potential lost energy.

By the way putting wind power on a project spanning thousands of miles is going to be far more expensive than the wall itself. Transmission line routing, thousands of turbine systems, etc. Not to mention selecting the area for turbines is very important, such as considering the best area for the highest energy generation like on hills, valleys, windy places etc.

Good try though, but these things are considered when in planning stages i'm sure.

If you can make a single on-topic post then I will tell you what car I drive.

explain

Realistically I would probably not even build a wall, I would dig a fucking massive trench and pile up the dirt and rock from it on our side of the it.

Answer the question, or be wrong. Your choice.

Swing and a miss user. I guess you just don't have it in you to not shitpost. What a shame.

then you're in a shit job and a target for whoever it is striking oil infrastructure.

Sad!

One step at a time.

The sensor wall already exists on the border, with the proposed hard wall around key points.

Trump's latest concession basically means, like now, but continued - as now.

The sensors you described are for looking for known specific events. They are looking for the mere occurrence of an item, not its specific and exact location amongst a series of close but wrong items.
Tunnels are very difficult to find, and without dropping our own neutron bombardment satalites or super RADAR birds on the issue, not likely to be found without tip offs.

Motre so, this is an argument of proffesionalism, the wall won't be perfect, but it can easily be made good enough to deal with a majority of the issue.
Which is what is being done now.

I am basically expecting Trump to declare the current state of affairs his wall and lambast in the glory, with people being so low info they don't realize we have been working on the border, and its why the corp bitches are saying we need asylum so bad.

A little bit of wall goes a long way to hurting illegals.
A lot of wall doesn't add so much.

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please go to youtube and watch "the thorium problem" for why most green energy is actually retarded

some years it gets so dry the river doesnt even reach the ocean

I recently started at a GPR firm. We haven't done any tests along the US border regions ourselves, but people who have say the soil conditions are incredibly poor for long stretches, so GPR scans are going to be of limited use.

I thought I would give this a try.

I used a different Trump image because he appears more confident.

Something I whipped up.

I lost it.

But the concrete blocks it?

Depends on the particle.

(and thickness and density of the material)

Whenever they talk about the "economic hurdles" of building the wall it's just ridiculous.

Fuck open a fundraiser with a minimum donation of $10 and I guarantee the wall will be paid for within 36 hours.

Well if its a foot of concrete, you're only getting gamma out, so its rather reasonable to say gamma only.
Which then means that you have to deal with the air absorbing the gamma radiation, which means you are more looking at dealing with the distance from the material than shielidng.
However, given 3 feet of cement is not unreasonable for your rather large structure, the surface release is already at half strength.
500 feet later, its a quarter.
so your wall would need to be a minimum of 2 thousand feet from the border, likely an excess of 4 thousand to comply with environmental impact regulations, along with not nuking another country and being nuked in turn.

There might be vent holes, probably into the ground, so the ground becomes contaminated.

Yes, contaminate US soil.
Let Fukushima happen by your own choices.

Agreed.

That being said, you should couple it with an initial "timer", a quick one (say 24 hours) where people will only be arrested and detained (FEMA camps are ready to roll) and have their heads shaved as an easy visual marker before deportation. After this point they will be shot on sight.

Make it public and be loud about it. Most of them waiting to get across will rush the border in a frenzy making it easy to cleanup since they'll be ill prepared and we can have troops, national guard etc on standby and ready. You empty Mexico of those close enough to the border in a matter of hours and have them in detention.

It's like you can't even into scorched earth. Nothing will stop immigration better than having nothing to immigrate to.

I have a cult in texas, i kind of would it not to be full of literal cancer if I go back.

The maglev train on the top is a nice touch

Sounds like a pretty lame cult user.

Given its made up of a bunch of young earth creationists that did not understand slight of hand, yeah.

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IT WILL CARRY TRUMP TO GODHOOD

So, our favorite half Turk, autistic lolberturdian Argie from /k/ says that Mexico will never have to pay for the wall.
Any of you up to the challenge?

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By that I mean is what he says actually true, and how exactly is Trump going to make the spics pay?

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and what happens when they are covered in shit?

your are going to have to scrub those year fucking round.

and what is this about a few degrees above freezing i dont know about you sotherns but up here it gets 20 degrees below 0 so you know lke 52 degrees below freezing. so while you fagots do the math on the gallons of snow that each panal would have to heat ignoring the air tempature and the ground beneath it that would also be heated by heat leaching into it.

so up here you would probably lose power during the winter when we get our 9 hour days how little of that actually being times where we could actually have theses pices of shit "paying for themselves"

now lets get out thinking caps on for a minute and look at this a little harder. what about the support structure? you know the shit under the majick fucking solar road? witch would have to be able to bear the same wight as the default road be leveled with pretty much the same tools and equipment. and would probably be made out of assault or some like matririal. so we are talking about a new road covering in addition to you know a fucking road.

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nigga what'cha doing.

we only need the american side to look good anyway who gives a fuck what mexicos side looks like.

He already said he is going to go after remittances really hard.

2% of Mexico's GDP is money that their immigrants send back home. This is roughly 25 billion dollars sent back to Mexico annually.

The idea is to put a tax on that. It makes the spics in this country butthurt and it makes the spics in Mexico butthurt.

haha fag i bet you like being safe lmao pussy

Nearly all of it is ill gotten gains, the same as drug money, complete confiscation.

Don't be ridiculous guys, a big wall is utterly impossible to make.

you simply cannot make a wall that size, I can't even conceive such a thing being done.

Is it possible that many of those areas wont even need a wall since much of it is nearly impossible to traverse?

The incentives his economic plans create will do that for us. Everyone aqciesces to the economy, while trying to do this from a foriegn policy standpoint using domestic measures will be clumsy, easily attacked by activists and impossible to implement.

Trick your opponents instead of making moves they can react to and eventual circumvent. Trump has already demonstrated this capacity. He could have tried to win every state with brute force; instead, he let Colorado and Wyoming go on purpose, to put Ted in a position he and everyone attached to him would be viewed as corrupt no matter what they tried to do. Focus on checkmate instead of taking pieces. Pieces are useless if they can be made impotent.

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Seize lands. Place wall on the other side. Sell said lands.

Thunderfoot blows these libs TFO with ease.

We don't need a wall along the entire thing. Just what isn't covered by the Rio Grande.

We need ground sensors and manned sniper posts. And that's it.

Guess how many Norks make it over to South Korea year.

Guess.

Back when that show was GOOD.

How petty and cruel.

I like it.

Please explain, Chinese and Indian immigrants both individually surpassed Mexican for several years now. And a wall is not the final solution on stopping (let alone removing) central american immigrants.

Nice no-content rebuttal though

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Summary execution of anyone found to be crossing illegally would only have limited effect against drug runners though.

To the contrary. El Chapo made himself famous in the drug dealing world by shooting in the head any courier who was late.

Killing is enormously motivating, and it works very well on drug dealers.

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I like it.

I like it a lot.

Especially if it was a pit to the center of the earth so that it would send the Mexicans back to the underworld they crawled out of so many years ago.

Networked seismic sensors should do the trick, if you space them close enough you should be able to pick out the exact position of the tunnel, to within a few meters.

Steel reinforcement usually serves the purpose of blast proofing a concrete structure, and you can just patch those holes with more concrete if they do get blasted down to the rebar.

Automated intruder verification system (infrared/thermal cameras) networked into data servers down the length of the wall.

Communication infrastructure (Hard-lines and optical cable) connecting the data servers, as well as providing communications and bulk data transmission from coast to coast (L.A. to TX)

Solar powered because pic related.

Coast Guard, Maybe?

Excellent.

Ben is needed elsewhere

I honestly like this better, unless Mexico will pay for the wall (MEXICO WILL PAY FOR IT), because a wall also serves to humble and humiliate one's enemy. Mehico keeps knowingly allowing and even celebrating that hundreds of thousands of their worst and slimiest keep pouring into the US. That constitutes a war IMO. Imagine if Pakistanis were leaping into India enough to turn parts of India 30% paki. You'd have a nuclear war. Imagine if that many Chinese were crossing the border to Russia, just setting up China villages and speaking Chinese and getting Russia to print everything in Rus/Chin language to accomodate them. You'd have WWIII. Why should the US lay down like a beaten old dog and let people fuck us over and spit in our face?

Build a wall and then have execution squads. Best of both worlds. Also those peep holes for gun placement. Results to less damage to the wall from attempts, thus saving cost.

And round up all the ones here and send them back. YOU HAVE TO GO BACK. Tired of this shit…they have literally taken over entire areas in the south. This is an invasion. And they reproduce like 5 kids to a sow! and the kids want to be citizens and get scholarships and welfare… Why should they be citizens when they came here, or their parents did, under illegal pretense? It's complete bullshit. Again imagine China/Russia. Imagine a bunch of Chinese setting up in Siberia and popping out as many kids as they can, and the kids are supposed to be legitimate russian citizens now? And they create their own enclaves and further propagate and soon they are wresting Russia away from the Russians, soon they are majority of the population in some cities. It's nothing but a war on longer terms.

Send them back, send their kids back, send their grandkids back, send employers who hire them to jail, execute any border hoppers. The law of the nation must be enforced or we may as well have anarchy.

We gunned people down with arrows of they thought about wandering into a city (country) or a keep (white house) uninvited.

If you're going to try and get in knowing that you'll be gunned down then why would you complain. I'd say gun those illegals down if they try to come in.

Most citizens are against legal immigration as well, like the syrian rapefugee proposal where 31 governors said they wouldn't accept that shit. I see a lot of these visa immigrants. They come here, litter, break laws, don't recycle, say "fuck America", trash the place up and do whatever they want regardless of our laws. FACT. Non-Americans will NOT uphold American values or work to make this nation greater. That's common sense. Why should we open our assholes up to be raped by the rejects of other nations when they just want to funnel money back to their squalid shithole and crap the place up with crime and bad attitudes?

I am against almost all immigration. However, with legal immigration at least we control who gets in and have a record of how many are here. Illegal is worse. They just come and go as they please, bringing crime and drugs and cartel business.

Don't we still have that agreement with India that if they move here they don't pay tax on earnings for like 5 years? And you know what they do, they then turn the gas station over to their cousin and they get another 5 years without paying any tax. WHY? A law like that is obviously designed to do two things: bring in a swarm of poo in streets, and to funnel money out of the US economy. That should be clear to anyone. Yet we have this and 99% of people don't even know about it. Politicians just get in and pass whatever they want and the public isn't allowed a say. ROPE is the long term solution.

This. We need to go back to pre-1965 immigration controls.

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Yeah, man, fuck quality of life and the economy and shit! lolol fuk da poors, I got me my ford truck and can go places and…Oh shit gas went back up to 5/gallon.

I mean, putting a train on the border (putting essential transit on a target that people want to destroy) is a stupid idea. But you're also stupid.

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Total War: California

I already said that Greyhound is cheaper and more efficient than shitty Amtrak.

Are you female? Because you sound like a bitch. Sarcastic faggots like you sound so emasculated.

I remember it was the early 90's. I was probably around 14 or so when mom decided it would be a good idear to take the Am-Trak. Of course she got into an argument with her sibling, then proceeded to get plastered at the bar across the street of the station because the train was expected to be late.
So in AZ waiting for the train sipping sodas and eating peanuts while mom is ranting in a bar booth about her stupid family I get wired off sugar and she is really wired.
I believe we were going to a funeral. Not sure.
Mom used to take the old trains with her parents and well…. things changed from her day.
Train shows up and a bunch of others get up from the same bar and the one down the street to the station. I spot at least two other kids in the same boat as I was.
A train full of pissed off middle aged Whites more than slightly tipsy crammed together with belligerent and uppity nigger staff *almost all blacks* in these dorky uniforms.
It was a powder keg. The booze on said train along with food was way way overpriced.
I think we were headed to Oregon or someplace because a family visit.
The smoking car was the only upside. People were so loaded I was finding half full packs of smokes, one had a couple doobies in it. Some loose change, a wallet. This was when cell-phones were still novelty bricks that cost $$$.
The view from smoking car was shit. The windows were all yellow faded just like the observation car.
I didn't know it at the time but many of the black staff were smoking "Tobacco out of straight glass pipes" told my mom but she just said…. "thats nice dear, stay away from them".
Horrid experience, loud, smelly, expensive… the only good thing was my acquired drunk loot.
Apparently the owner of the wallet I found woke up from his sleeper car, fat man in a dress shirt, tie, slacks, really fucked up started screaming at a white haired uncle tom in uniform….
They got into an altercation and they stopped the train in the middle of some one stoplight town in Nevada or California. Cops came aboard. By this time I ditched the wallet in a bathroom keeping the money. Bad degeneracy I know but… I was tortured.

Also many experiences with Grey-Hound.
This was before 9/11 and the TSA when flying was still pleasurable. Flew a lot.

If you ever take amtrak bring pills, some books, maybe marijuana edibles and your own food/booze stash.
Not sure if they still allow smoking :(

A Grey-Hound experience. Mom was doing some business crap and decided to send me to visit my brother in the mid-west from AZ.
This time I knew better. Brought some sleeping pills and ambiens pilfered from my somewhat wealthy Aunt *lefty who is die hard Edison power union to this day*, a bottle of jack that I paid a bum to purchase for me, some smokes, couple nugs of bud for visit time in the midwest, my own food, etc.
Some of the towns and areas GH stop at are shady as hell. Lots of stops in inner cities, lots of ex-cons, catatonic military people *funny cartoon btw*, niggers, restroom that was sloshing shit and piss, niggers, beautiful diversity literally.
I always sat by the driver, or at-least where I could be in view. Got in line first so I could be selective about who sits next to me.
Just a backpack full of stuff, clothes, cash hidden in my sock/shoes, etc. Clutched the backpack always.
Well I was in luck. Looked like a red-neck mental patient with a 4 inch stapled scar across his forhead sat across the aisle from me.
Pretty positive it was some sort of lobotomy.
Next to me close to the aisle is what you would describe as a perfectly dressed cross between a frat-boy/nerd. Glasses, sweater, collar, a mormon maybe. Older than me by a few years.
Clutching a good sized back pack.
The bus was still filling up when I noticed him walk to the back of the aisle where the cons/niggers would sit. Looks like he is smearing something under the seats as he walks by, into the bathroom, and out back to his seat. Sets his pack down and we make small talk.
He must have had a good nose because he noticed the skunky smell of my nugs in one of my cig packs. Winks and shows me whats inside of his while we have lunch at some burgerjoint stop. Looked like beautifully wrapped weed from California or some wonderful home-grow. A couple pounds at least.
He hands me a bag, pays me, we watch each other backs.
No odor from his at all. How did he do it?
Found out his story. He would move his stash to the mid-west where it fetched an insanely high price compared to California or Tuscon at the time *Tuscon used to be a hidden weed mecca before beaners ruined it*.
He did this often basically in reverse with what I was doing. Took the bus from mid-west to visit cousins/brother in AZ/California and move product.
The cops did come on board and they did target the back-row. Apparently some nigs were cracked out and giving the driver a hard time.
The shit he smeared on those seats? Concentrated cannabis oil. Caused the dogs to go ape-shit on the… apes. They reacted accordingly.
He sat next to the drooling lobotomized cretin during this episode. The cretin had pissed himself and was sleeping. The backpack he had was placed between him and cretin. Perfect cover.
I thought I would be fucked because my loose nugs, pills, and booze stash. Nope. Good olde negros were predictable and exited along with cops/dogs in the side door.
Last I saw of business-man was him waving bye to me. His golden haired parents waiting for him on a small country cross-road stop.
Looked like a perfect churchy middle class fam.
Farmers?
I can tell you I made a profit off a couple of those nugs from the good sized bag he gave me.
Was the best bud I smoked at that time :)

Guy was smart. Didn't dress in bling or like a hood-rat. Total nerd.

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This is strategically advantageous

I like trump's face, but It should really be in front of the wall.

Guys I finished my wall. It's not great, but it's the ideas that matter.

All the white triangles are supposed to be acid spikes like those other guys have, but I have a catapult with a line for a 'deportation force', and the trump train, and mexico's check, so I think I got the important details.

Those moats are supposed to be the same moat, my photoshop skills just arent great

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