Trump criticisms, Trump Vs the media, thread #2

Two months ago someone started a thread entitled 'Trump Criticisms and their Refutations'

web.archive.org/web/20160405233749/http://8ch.net/pol/res/5207047.html

Can we have a thread for dealing with criticisms of Trump and the refutations of those criticisms?

As his campaign moves forward we're going to see a lot of digging into Trump's past and a lot of nitpicking of every statement he has ever made. My friends and acquaintances (and I'm sure yours to) will often confront me regarding my support of Trump, which is naturally to be expected in a republic where the citizen is expected to be informed and engaged.

At first, I managed fine with this, since I know what Trump stands for, I know his policies, and so in. The problem is I don't dedicate any time toward looking at the flip-side of this coin: the accusations leveled against him. That is just my natural manner, and this extends to the other candidates as well. The reasons I don't want Bernie, Hillary, Cruz, etc is because I don't agree with what they stand for. I'm not too familiar with the accusations against them.

This becomes a problem when people I know might come up to me with their laundry list of complaints against Trump. So I've made this thread so we can discuss these criticisms and how to refute them.


I think it's time for another one. No pointless shitposting in this thread, let's use it as a repository of Trump criticisms that you either personally heard from people or you heard on TV or Radio or read in a newspaper article or a news website. The source doesn't matter. The media will try to get Hillary Clinton elected and they'll try to smear Donald Trump with anything they can find. So if you find something that you feel is worth addressing, post it in this thread.

And also let's keep this thread alive for a while, so check the catalog from time to time and if it's getting close to page 25 then bump it to save it.

Other urls found in this thread:

web.archive.org/web/20160405233749/http://8ch.net/pol/res/5207047.html
archive.is/tUEDV
politico.com/blogs/2016-gop-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/03/trump-iraq-syria-220608
archive.is/WwsVm
cnn.com/2016/03/11/politics/donald-trump-30000-troops-isis/
archive.is/SyKCH
washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2016/03/21/a-transcript-of-donald-trumps-meeting-with-the-washington-post-editorial-board
usnews.com/news/blogs/data-mine/2016/03/31/gop-front-runner-trump-unpopular-even-among-white-men-the-partys-base
archive.is/W2iJ4
washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/04/14/republicans-like-donald-trump-and-ted-cruz-the-general-public-doesnt/
archive.is/9TvCl
aj-delgado.com/2016/02/18/so-is-donald-trump-busted-re-his-alleged-opposition-to-iraq-war-not-exactly/
archive.is/UByoh
archive.is/TJkO4
capitalistpig.com/news-media/nevertrump/
theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/05/07/mark-levin-joins-tom-donohue-and-sells-the-u-s-chamber-of-commerce-message/
theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/02/25/the-truth-behind-donald-trump-hiring-temp-h-2b-visa-workers-in-florida/
archive.is/pe3D6
cnbc.com/2016/05/05/why-president-trump-worries-the-dealmakers.html
wootrader.com/how-a-trump-presidency-would-affect-global-ma/
washingtontimes.com/news/2013/mar/15/cpac-2013-donald-trump-immigration-reform-suicide-/
cnsnews.com/news/article/melanie-hunter/trump-deporting-illegals-theyll-go-out-and-come-back-if-they-deserve
newsmax.com/Newsfront/trump-illegal-immigrants-have/2015/08/15/id/670307/
breitbart.com/big-government/2016/02/08/exclusive-donald-j-trump-first-candidate-reply-sessions-test/
donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform
numbersusa.com/blog/trump-walking-back-some-amnesty-comments-and-filling-some-blanks-and-we-raise-his-grade
archive.is/bVoiR
8ch.net/pol/res/5299216.html
web.archive.org/web/20160408022126/http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/sep/28/donald-trump-unveils-tax-plan
breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/05/07/new-goal-nevertrump-keep-gop-conservative-no-president-trump/
youtube.com/channel/UCjTEqmXwv7M8JAcrSWu97Cg/videos
usnews.com/opinion/articles/2016-05-05/donald-trumps-mojo-with-white-working-class-voters-is-greatly-exaggerated
archive.is/KeXQm
washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/05/09/history-lesson-more-republicans-than-democrats-supported-nafta/
angelfire.com/nt/baptist/Prophecy/666Calculator.html
washingtonexaminer.com/no-trump-cant-win/article/2588132
washingtonexaminer.com/woodward-20-wapo-reporters-dig-dirt-on-trump-every-phase-of-his-life/article/2591021
archive.is/5VYwk
noisyroom.net/blog/2016/04/28/trumps-incoherent-inconsistent-russian-loving-foreign-policy/
usnews.com/opinion/articles/2016-05-06/donald-trump-talks-america-first-but-hires-a-long-time-foreign-lobbyist
alternet.org/election-2016/intelligence-agencies-weary-trump-advisers-putin-ties
insideedition.com/headlines/16413-rowanne-brewer-lane-says-she-was-flattered-to-be-called-a-stunning-trump-girl-at
thehill.com/homenews/campaign/280117-hillarys-unlikely-ally-in-2016-the-media
twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/280754630047199232
breitbart.com/video/2016/05/25/trump-i-dont-know-yet-whats-the-right-thing-for-states-to-do-on-transgender-bathrooms/
breitbart.com/video/2016/05/25/trump-i-dont-know-yet-whats-the-right-thing-for-states-to-do-on-transgender-bathrooms/#comment-2696220634
vdare.com/posts/media-goes-full-retard-over-trump-and-egyptair-terror
twitter.com/NSFWRedditImage

In the previous thread archived here:

web.archive.org/web/20160405233749/http://8ch.net/pol/res/5207047.html

you'll find posts on:

-the KKK endorsing him
-his black supporters at rallies
-the Trump merchandise made in China
-H-1B visas and foreign workers
-her sister who is a judge on the U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals judge
-his remarks on abortion and that interview with Chris Matthews
-and other topics

+ a couple of videos and clips

NO CRITICISM OF TRUMP IS ALLOWED

And if someone has enough patience to go through Politifact's entries on Trump this thread will be a good place to post corrections / criticism of their conclusions.

You have a very short attention span. The goal of this thread is to document the arguments against Trump and see if any of them are valid and to post corrections if the media is lying about something he said or something he did.

What 'arguments' are left to rebute? You should at least give us some common points used against Trump that weren't covered in the other thread.

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It looks like you're retarded and you didn't read anything I wrote. Click on this link

web.archive.org/web/20160405233749/http://8ch.net/pol/res/5207047.html

If that thread hadn't been deleted, I would have updated it regularly. That thread is gone, so I'm making another one.

Politifact bias

this is one I've seen posted a couple of times here:


Trump calls for ground troops in Iraq, Syria

archive.is/tUEDV
politico.com/blogs/2016-gop-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/03/trump-iraq-syria-220608

Donald Trump would deploy up to 30,000 American soldiers in the Middle East to defeat the Islamic State, he said at Thursday night’s debate. Trump was answering a question about comments from General Lloyd Austin III, the head of U.S. Central Command who said more troops on the ground would be needed to defeat ISIS in Syria and Iraq. “We really have no choice, we have to knock out ISIS,” Trump said. “I would listen to the generals, but I’m hearing numbers of 20,000-30,000.”

Trump is calling for 30,000 troops. Would that defeat ISIS?

archive.is/WwsVm
cnn.com/2016/03/11/politics/donald-trump-30000-troops-isis/

Donald Trump's assertion that the United States has "no choice" but to send 20,000 to 30,000 combat troops to fight ISIS in the Middle East raises a slew of complicated questions, military analysts said Friday. (…) At the CNN-hosted debate Thursday night, the Republican presidential front-runner sounded a different note. "We really have no choice. We have to knock out ISIS," he said. "I would listen to the generals, but I'm hearing numbers of 20,000 to 30,000."


But ten days later he met with the editorial board of the Washington Post and this is what he said:

archive.is/SyKCH
washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2016/03/21/a-transcript-of-donald-trumps-meeting-with-the-washington-post-editorial-board

DIEHL: And could I ask you about ISIS, speaking of making commitments, because you talked recently about possibly sending 20 or 30,000 troops and—

TRUMP: No I didn’t, oh no no no, okay, I know what you’re saying. There was a question asked to me. I said that the military, the generals have said that 20- to 30,000. They said, would you send troops? I didn’t say send 20,000. I said, well the generals are saying you’d need because they , what would it take to wipe out ISIS, I said pretty much exactly this, I said the generals, the military is saying you would need 20- to 30,000 troops, but I didn’t say that I would send them.

DIEHL: If they said that, would you go along with that and send the troops?

TRUMP: I find it hard to go along with—I mention that as an example because it’s so much. That’s why I brought that up. But a couple of people have said the same thing as you, where they said did I say that and I said that that’s a number that I heard would be needed. I would find it very, very hard to send that many troops to take care of it. I would say this, I would put tremendous pressure on other countries that are over there to use their troops and I’d give them tremendous air supporters and support , because we have to get rid of ISIS, okay, just so — we have to get rid of ISIS. I would get other countries to become very much involved.

obviously Trump wants to avoid sending troops if even remotely possible, but he wont hesitate to do it if he has to. Obviously at this point he's just going on the word of military people who actually are involved in the decision-making, but after he gets elected and is able to get a full view of the situation, he will be able to make much more definitive decisions.

According to the Washington Post and ABC the candidate with the biggest crowds and the one who will beat George Bush's record from the 2000 primaries is not popular at all and in fact he could be one of the most unpopular candidate ever!

If I had the time I would take a closer look at these unfavorability polls. They're probably all bullshit.

GOP Front-Runner Trump Unpopular Even Among White Men - the Party’s Base

usnews.com/news/blogs/data-mine/2016/03/31/gop-front-runner-trump-unpopular-even-among-white-men-the-partys-base

Despite leading his Republican challengers in national polls, Donald Trump’s sky-high unfavorability is shaping up to be a major problem for the GOP presidential front-runner, should he seize the party’s nomination and run in the general election. A Washington Post/ABC News poll this month finds that while Democratic-leaning groups like minorities and young people deeply dislike the billionaire businessman, his favorability poll numbers are underwater among voters that make up the Republican base.

The poll finds 67 percent of overall voters surveyed have an unfavorable opinion of Trump, compared to just 30 percent who say they have a favorable impression of the billionaire businessman. Roughly similar numbers of independent voters and white women voters, dislike Trump, both groups that went for Mitt Romney over President Barack Obama in 2012.

(…)

The last Democrat to win white men was Lyndon B. Johnson more than half a century ago. And while that’s not likely to change – Clinton has struggled to win over even white male Democrats – Trump could give her a run for her money for those voters in a race to the bottom. The Post poll found that just over half of all white men hold favorable opinions of Trump, compared to 47 percent percent who hold unfavorable opinions of him.


SOURCE:

67 percent of Americans have an unfavorable opinion of Donald Trump

archive.is/W2iJ4
washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/04/14/republicans-like-donald-trump-and-ted-cruz-the-general-public-doesnt/

LOL

literally who cares
they hate Hillary more
Republicans have voted him as their nominee

in the jewish mind its always trumps fault.
this is how the jewish create debt.
they want the white man to feel guilty or to be at debt for a manufactured jewish society.

This is an article about Trump's position on the invasion of Iraq. There was a Buzzfeed article about his comments 6 months before the invasion began, he said "yeah I guess so" when he was asked if he supported the invasion of Iraq.


So is Donald Trump ‘busted’ re his alleged opposition to Iraq War? nope!

archive.is/9TvCl
aj-delgado.com/2016/02/18/so-is-donald-trump-busted-re-his-alleged-opposition-to-iraq-war-not-exactly/

A friend of mine had this to day about trump.


"What do you mean?" I ask him.


Welp, looks like I have one less friend.


Point out how mexico has a wall on it's southern border, & how israel has always had a wall.


Should I lose all hope? What could I possible say to turn his opinion around? I pointed out how he wants to force companies to pay native citizens & imported labor the exact same wage which would make it pointless to outsource, which he at least agreed about being a good idea.

sometimes you keep friends and just accept they are basic bitches and you have to keep important topics off limits when you hang out with them. should you respect them less? of course, I wouldn't trust them either. Casual acquaintances, though, the bar is lower.

I wish my standards for friends wasn't so high. I don't think Holla Forums friends in real life would work either, so I guess I have to find a middle ground. Going to be interesting to ask him what he thinks again when he wins the presidency though.

He was answering a hypothetical question. I don't think Trump wants to open that can of worms and do anything beyond defunding Planned Parenthood.

some cuckservatives are now calling Trump an anti-capitalist:

archive.is/UByoh

One of the best, most cogent examples of a vote against the nominee comes from investor and Fox News and Fox Business contributor Jonathan Hoenig, who spells out one of the best reasons to abandon the GOP nominee: Trump is against capitalism.

In this context, Donald Trump’s business credentials are exactly what makes him so dangerous. In the minds of voters, Trump represents capitalism. But as was pointed out in this space five years ago, Donald Trump is explicitly anti-capitalist on issues ranging from taxes to anti-trust to trade.

Trump’s use of the term “rape” in describing global trade is a horrid but telling indicator of just how he views voluntary relationships.


Why Hillary Has My Vote
by Jonathan Hoenig

archive.is/TJkO4
capitalistpig.com/news-media/nevertrump/

In Hillary Clinton, voters get another term of Obama, and Bush before him. She’s a mixed-economy power-luster, same as the old boss. If they are to survive, Republicans must present a capitalist alternative. Right now, they can’t. And when Hillary’s policies fail, as they will, her socialist ideas will rightfully be denounced.

But President Donald Trump would be the standard-bearer for American capitalism, despite the fact his ideas are exactly opposed. Because he is in business, Trump’s progressive taxes, threats to CEOs and tariffs against consumers will be legitimized as capitalist, as moral, as just. They’re not.

''And when Trump’s policies fail, as they will, American capitalism will unquestionably get blamed.
This is why I’m supporting Clinton: Long term, the damage levied by Donald Trump to capitalism in America will be immeasurably worse than that wrought by Hillary Clinton.''

Ok here is one
TRUMP IS RAYYYCISSSS and SEGGGGSICCCCCCCCCCCISSSSSSSSSS
This is the most played critism but we don't even have a full grasp of what they mean by it

You would need to find ways of how Hillary will make America more Socialist and Marxist

page 25. last minute bump

I have a few links to add tonight.

It was just a logical answer given without thinking politically.

That was a quality thread. But I'm afraid this one is going to get instantly over run with shills.

I see that kind of valueless argument from liberals a lot.
It's like they're just scared of trying anything different.

Cruz supporter and sore loser Mark Levin now calls Donald Trump a globalist because Trump owns hotels in foreign countries:

Mark Levin Joins Tom Donohue and Sells The U.S. Chamber of Commerce Message…

theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/05/07/mark-levin-joins-tom-donohue-and-sells-the-u-s-chamber-of-commerce-message/

The hotlink within the quoted paragraph highlights a CBS article which notes Donald Trump resorts (mostly Mar Largo in South Florida) used temp-workers during peak seasons from 2000 to 2015. Yes, 1,100 workers over 15 years – or 74 temporary, part-time, workers per year.

The entire proposition is silly. We’ve previously pointed out how the temp-worker program is customary and wide-spread throughout and South Florida due entirely because of the seasonality of business. FULL DETAILS HERE [It was crazy used in 2001 – 2006 as the entire U.S. economy was in overdrive]

LINK:
theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/02/25/the-truth-behind-donald-trump-hiring-temp-h-2b-visa-workers-in-florida/

Every service business from hotels and resorts, to restaurants, grocery stores and a myriad of service businesses depend on these “seasonal workers” to cope with the quadrupling of business need from January to Easter annually in South Florida – Peak Season is Feb/March.

Why do you think it was never an issue during the February GOP Debate in Miami-Dade? Because anyone bringing it up would have been laughed off the stage – including Marco Rubio.


the original article:

Levin: Trump the Globalist
archive.is/pe3D6

"Trump’s foreign dealings are not limited to consumer products. The Trump Hotel Collection has locations in Panama, Rio de Janeiro, Ireland, Toronto, Vancouver and Azerbaijan. The Trump Real Estate Collection has Trump Towers in India, Istanbul, Uruguay and the Philippines, as well as Trump World in South Korea. Apparently, what’s good for Donald Trump Inc. is not good for Ford, Apple or any other American business. Trump knows best."

Muslims aren't a race they are followers of an ideology (which therefore doesn't fall under freedom of religion either)
It isn't sexist to prefer attractive women to ugly women, the fact that ugly women get butthurt by it just shows that ugly women should never be given power. Someone hurts their feelings and they go nuclear. Literally if Hillug gets in.

I found this article this morning:

Why 'President Trump' worries the dealmakers

cnbc.com/2016/05/05/why-president-trump-worries-the-dealmakers.html

"Mergers and acquisitions pros are worried that Donald Trump may not be so great for the world of dealmaking. A key tenet of Trump's presidential campaign is his criticism of government officials for poor dealmaking, particularly when it comes to trade deals and military treaties.

However, the corporate world's dealmakers believe a President Trump might hurt their own chances in the big money world of M&A.

A recent survey of investment bankers, development professionals and private equity leaders showed that 62 percent believe the presumptive GOP nominee will be bad for the global deal climate, according to Intralinks, an M&A content collaboration company that said it collected results from 1,500 respondents. He's viewed less favorably for the deal climate than his chief Democratic rival, Hillary Clinton. "


wootrader.com/how-a-trump-presidency-would-affect-global-ma/

"As part of its quarterly DFP report, IntraLinks also conducts a Sentiment Survey of more than 1,500 global M&A professionals. This time around, among questions asked of respondents was this one: “How do you believe a Donald J. Trump presidency would affect M&A in your region?”"

There's a persistent shill trying to spread the idea that Trump is in favor of a 'mass touchback amnesty'. I doubt it.


CPAC 2013: Donald Trump: Immigration reform is a ‘suicide mission’ for GOP

washingtontimes.com/news/2013/mar/15/cpac-2013-donald-trump-immigration-reform-suicide-/

Donald Trump said the Republican party will lose elections if it reforms the nation’s entitlement programs and will hand Democrats 11 million votes if Congress grants citizenship to illegal immigrants, likening the reform efforts to a “suicide mission.”

“The fact is 11 million people will be voting Democratic. You can be out front. You can be the spearhead. You can do whatever you want to do, but everyone of those 11 million people will be voting Democratic,” he said. “It is just the way it works.”

“You have to be very, very careful, because you could say that to a certain extent the odds aren’t looking so great for Republicans, that you are on a suicide mission,” he said. “You are just not going to get those votes.”


Trump on Illegals: 'They're Going to Go Out, and They'll Come Back If They Deserve to Come Back'

cnsnews.com/news/article/melanie-hunter/trump-deporting-illegals-theyll-go-out-and-come-back-if-they-deserve

newsmax.com/Newsfront/trump-illegal-immigrants-have/2015/08/15/id/670307/

"We have to make a whole new set of standards" for those immigrating to the U.S., he added.


breitbart.com/big-government/2016/02/08/exclusive-donald-j-trump-first-candidate-reply-sessions-test/

Question 4: A supermajority of GOP voters say immigration is too high. Every year, on autopilot, we let in another one million immigrants on green cards, 700,000 foreign guest workers, half a million foreign students, and 100,000 refugees and asylees. Historical precedent would be to reduce record-breaking immigration, rather than continuing to surge it beyond all historical precedent. Will you support legislation to reduce immigration numbers, and will you oppose legislation that would add to the number?

ANSWER: I will support legislation to reduce the numbers, and will oppose legislation to increase the numbers. I have laid out a detailed plan to accomplish this goal on my website. My suggested reforms include a requirement to give all open jobs to Americans first — instead of importing foreign replacements.


donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform

End birthright citizenship. This remains the biggest magnet for illegal immigration. By a 2:1 margin, voters say it’s the wrong policy, including Harry Reid who said “no sane country” would give automatic citizenship to the children of illegal immigrants.

Immigration moderation. Before any new green cards are issued to foreign workers abroad, there will be a pause where employers will have to hire from the domestic pool of unemployed immigrant and native workers. This will help reverse women's plummeting workplace participation rate, grow wages, and allow record immigration levels to subside to more moderate historical averages.


numbersusa.com/blog/trump-walking-back-some-amnesty-comments-and-filling-some-blanks-and-we-raise-his-grade

Trump has raised his overall grade to a C+, which again puts him in the No. 3 spot among all 21 Presidential Hopefuls of both Parties.

(only Rick Santorum and Scott Walker are above him, which makes him the best candidate now that these two are out of the race)

Huh, I was just thinking to myself "I want to get really pissed off before I go to bed"

thanks OP.

In case you still had doubts about The Guardian's dishonesty, check this out:

archive.is/bVoiR

Looking toward a general election against Hillary Clinton, the prohibitive favorite to be the Democratic nominee, Trump similarly retreated from tax proposals that would benefit the most wealthy Americans and heavily tax the poor. On Sunday, he said he intended to tax the wealthy.

heavily tax the poor? That's a lie:

Donald Trump's tax plan would help the poorest Americans

8ch.net/pol/res/5299216.html

this is the reference in the article:

Donald Trump unveils tax plan with cuts for poorest and richest Americans

web.archive.org/web/20160408022126/http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/sep/28/donald-trump-unveils-tax-plan

two so-called experts say his tax plan could hurt the middle class and the poor:

Dean Baker, a liberal economist with the Center for Economic Policy Research, told the Guardian: “It looks like a huge tax break for the rich. “You’ve lowered the top rate from 43% to 25%, you ended the estate tax and you reduced the corporate income tax to 15%.”

Baker also said that given the elimination of many tax deductions, “this is almost certainly a huge increase for the middle class”.

But according to the CBS article the tax deductions aren't going to be eliminated and Dean Baker is a liberal/socialist – and a Bernie Sanders fan – who writes for CounterPunch and Truth-Out, so he's never going to like Trump or his policies.

The other expert – who doesn't seem to have been contacted by any other newspaper – says the plan could cost thousands of dollars for the poorest:

Rich Schmalbeck, a tax law expert at Duke University, told the Guardian that if such a provision eliminated the earned income tax credit, not mentioned in Trump’s plan, it could cost many low-income households thousands of dollars.

But the CBS article seems pretty clear

For The Guardian reporters and its editors it's probably some kind of reflex to claim that a Republican will tax the poor even if it's not true.

Exclusive: NeverTrump’s New Goal – Keep the GOP Conservative, or No President Trump

breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/05/07/new-goal-nevertrump-keep-gop-conservative-no-president-trump/

"WASHINGTON—Some major conservative leaders have secured over $200 million to present Donald Trump with the choice of running on a conservative agenda or losing November’s election."

"Ken Blackwell—a senior adviser to the Our Principles PAC who served thirty years in various elected and presidentially appointed offices at both the federal and state level, as well as chaired a national presidential campaign—has had discussions with the persons organizing and funding this effort. While Blackwell has said he has not bought into this effort, he has not endorsed Trump, either."


here's Our Principles PAC's Youtube channel:

youtube.com/channel/UCjTEqmXwv7M8JAcrSWu97Cg/videos

one of their ads was promoted by Youtube and it got 3+ million views

Some professor / lecturer from Yale claims Trump isn't winning the vote of the white working class because those who participate in the Republican primaries' exit polls report making more than $30,000 per year.

usnews.com/opinion/articles/2016-05-05/donald-trumps-mojo-with-white-working-class-voters-is-greatly-exaggerated

That Trump performed more or less on par with his rivals in Rust Belt states suggests that his supporters were already firmly conservative or already primed to choose any Republican, populist or otherwise, according to Andrew Levison, author of "The White Working Class Today" and analyst for "The Democratic Strategist," a journal of public opinion and strategy. Indeed, Levison observed in a March white paper, Trump performed best not with Midwestern Reagan Democrats but with white working-class Southerners. This, he argued, isn't due to Trump's "right-wing version of economic populism" but "the racial and xenophobic elements of his platform."

So the media narrative of Trump's support among white working-class voters belabored by global economic forces is problematic for two reasons. One, many of his supporters are earning above-average incomes. Two, many voted for Trump for reasons having nothing to do with globalization.

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People will post there own, op dosent have to do all the work, we're a community and a team.

We shouldn't criticise those who ask for help, we accomplish more by working together.

[Don't bother replying, I won't derail this thread by arguing with you]

Read this

Here's the Washington Post's 'factchecker', Glenn Kessler, on Trump saying Clinton pushed NAFTA and signed it:

archive.is/KeXQm
washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/05/09/history-lesson-more-republicans-than-democrats-supported-nafta/

So Clinton did not negotiate NAFTA, nor did he sign it. But he did put his political prestige on the line to get it approved by Congress — even as two top Democrats, House Majority Leader Richard Gephardt (Mo.) and House Majority Whip David Bonior (Mich.), opposed it. In the House, NAFTA passed 234-200; 132 Republicans and 102 Democrats voted in favor of it. The Senate approved NAFTA 61-38, with the backing of 34 Republicans and 27 Democrats.

In both the House and the Senate, more Democrats voted against NAFTA than for it — a signal that the Bernie Sanders wing of the Democratic Party was strong even then. Clinton held a signing ceremony for the implementing legislation on Dec. 3, 1993, flanked by former presidents and congressional leaders of both parties. But that’s not the same as negotiating and signing the treaty with Mexico and Canada. The trade agreement went into effect on Jan. 1, 1994.


Bill Clinton didn't personally negociate the NAFTA treaty, Bush 41 did.

Clinton put pressure on his party to vote for it even though a lot of Democrats didn't like it.

Therefore Clinton has nothing to do with NAFTA and Donald Trump is lying.

That, Ladies and Gentlemen, is Factchecking Journalism according to the Washington Post.

Gee this sure isn't some black propaganda at all…

TRUMP IS LITERALLY THE SECOND COMING OF CHRIST
ENGLISH GEMATRIA CALCULATOR
angelfire.com/nt/baptist/Prophecy/666Calculator.html

MARK OF BEAST = 666
The King Jesus = 888
Donald J. Trump = 888

holy jesus FUCK

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP = 1488

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Molyneux videos are best for this purpose and he has more than few. Vid related is the whole John Oliver video analysis.

They are trying to say that Bush 41 signed NAFTA and not Bill Clinton.
We need to meme actual history because the Media is trying to Memory Hole this hard.

Do they think Americans are literal retards?

I'm pretty sure most people are capable of a basic fucking google search.

I said "No pointless shitposting in this thread". Post these links elsewhere or just go back to 4chan. Numerology is bullshit.

They're desperate liars. The Washington Post 'factchecker' pretends that Clinton pressuring Democrats in Congress to vote for NAFTA had nothing to do with NAFTA getting a Yes vote

The Jewish press will have their lying months shut for them!

This is a long screed by a cuckservative who hates Trump. I don't have time to dismantle it but it's filled with arguments you might also hear from your Conservative uncle.

No, Trump can't win

washingtonexaminer.com/no-trump-cant-win/article/2588132

speaking of the Washington Post:

Washington Post assigns army of 20 to dig into 'every phase' of Trump's life

washingtonexaminer.com/woodward-20-wapo-reporters-dig-dirt-on-trump-every-phase-of-his-life/article/2591021

"The Washington Post has built a sizable army of reporters to dig into every facet of Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump's life under orders of new owner Jeff Bezos, the Amazon founder and Democratic Party donor."

"He said that Bezos has urged the Post to run as many stories on Trump and the other candidates so that voters can't say they didn't know about the eventual president."

Trump is so Russia friendly that …that he's going to start WW3!

Trump’s Incoherent, Inconsistent, Russian-Loving Foreign Policy

archive.is/5VYwk
noisyroom.net/blog/2016/04/28/trumps-incoherent-inconsistent-russian-loving-foreign-policy/

My friend Denise Simon noted several things yesterday… I have no doubt that Donald Trump is firmly in bed with Russia. He had the Russian Ambassador sitting in the front row of his speech. He has a campaign manager who represented Russian interests. He has foreign policy advisers that are friendly to Russia. Trump himself is fond of Putin and can ‘negotiate’ with him. You see, Trump is even more flexible than Obama was.

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Trump is a negotiator. That is not a winning recipe for being a world leader. Negotiation typically ends in war and loss of said war. Look at Neville Chamberlain. He negotiated the world right into WWII.

Two articles on Paul Manafort. Nobody seems to notice the contradiction between calling Trump a crazy guy who's going to start WW3 and calling him a friend of Putin.


Donald Trump's fixer Paul Manafort has a long history of working with governments unfriendly to the US

usnews.com/opinion/articles/2016-05-06/donald-trump-talks-america-first-but-hires-a-long-time-foreign-lobbyist

Manafort is a veteran of the Ford, Reagan and Dole campaigns; the press considers him a political operative extraordinaire who has a lobbying business in the off years. One particular aspect of that lobbying trade that got short-shrift in the initial wave of Manafort coverage is his collection of foreign clients.

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''The Guardian drills down into Manafort's byzantine business deals with Yanukovych and his allies, most of whom are associated with either wealthy steel and mining interests or Gazprom, the former Soviet gas ministry that is now a company holding three-quarters of Russia's natural gas reserves and is closely associated with Putin. The paper also quotes David Cramer, a top Russia advisor in the Bush 43 State Department: "Advising Yanukovych is like putting lipstick on a pig … [Yanukovych] was someone who was involved in massive corruption and had blood on his hands."

Feel like taking a shower yet? I do. But really, other than causing disgust at the Washington revolving door of political operatives-turned-lobbyists, why should any of us care who Paul Manafort's clients are?

Reason number one: Trump has campaigned as an outsider, someone who will shake up the Washington establishment – no more business as usual. Yet he's hired the insider's insider in what has to be one of Trump's most hypocritical and cynical decisions yet. And no one's batting an eye.

Reason number two: Take a look at the transcript of Donald Trump's recent "America First" foreign policy speech:

"We desire to live peacefully and in friendship with Russia and China," Trump said. "We have serious differences with these two nations, and must regard them with open eyes, but we are not bound to be adversaries. We should seek common ground based on shared interests." He continued: "I believe an easing of tensions, and improved relations with Russia from a position of strength only is possible, absolutely possible. Common sense says this cycle, this horrible cycle of hostility, must end and ideally will end soon. Good for both countries."


Trump Advisor's Putin Connections Freak Out Security Establishment (Video)

alternet.org/election-2016/intelligence-agencies-weary-trump-advisers-putin-ties

But now, as Trump ascends to the position of likely GOP nominee,Buzzfeed reports that intelligence agencies are taking note of potential conflicts of interest concerning Trump’s aides and their “ties to allies of Russian President Vladimir Putin.”

In particular, policy experts are concerned about Trump’s newest political operative, Paul Manafort, who was recruited last month to lead the effort to secure delegates for the GOP convention in July. Manafort has significant experience laying the infrastructure for successful political campaigns, both in the United States and abroad. Slate provides extensive detail of Manafort’s dealings with foreign leaders, summarily stating Trump’s latest hire “made a career out of stealthily reinventing the world’s nastiest tyrants as noble defenders of freedom.”

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Friday afternoon, MSNBC’s Andrea Mitchell asked Manafort about his connection to the Kremlin. "The fact that you, in the past, have represented in your business life, some of these Russian allies in Ukraine, those who are close to Vladimir Putin, pro-Russian forces: Do your past clients or current clients conflict in any way with the classified intelligence briefings that Donald Trump, as the nominee, is going to get?” Mitchell asked.

Manafort told Mitchell he has “no other clients except for Trump.” “And I'm not getting the briefings,” Manafort added. [Trump] is getting the briefings.” Mitchell pressed Manafort further, asking Trump’s adviser if classified briefings would be shared with him.

Surprise, surprise, the NYT is a dishonest newspaper:

Rowanne Brewer Lane Says She Was Flattered to Be Called 'A Stunning Trump Girl' at Pool Party

insideedition.com/headlines/16413-rowanne-brewer-lane-says-she-was-flattered-to-be-called-a-stunning-trump-girl-at

"A front page story in The New York Times about Donald Trump's dealings with women over the years has led to some backlash against the newspaper.

One of the former models quoted in the story, which ran on The Times' front page Saturday, Rowanne Brewer Lane, is now blasting its reporters, claiming they were dishonest about what the story was supposed to be.

“I'm extremely upset. Basically, they lied to me,” she told Inside Edition. “They promised me multiple times that it would not be a hit piece, and clearly it was.” "

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"The Times called the incident "a debasing face-to-face encounter."

But Brewer Lane says it was anything but, telling Inside Edition: "I told The Times that I was flattered by that comment, I was shocked and flattered."

She said she wasn’t offended and it was "the exact opposite of what they depicted." She added "I feel betrayed and deceived" by The New York Times. "

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Should I be worried? I think I should be worried.

Fuck, ignore this. Was trying to make a topic & fucked up hard.

>>5936881
trolllllll this kike and call his show!

Unlikely?

Hillary’s unlikely ally: The media

thehill.com/homenews/campaign/280117-hillarys-unlikely-ally-in-2016-the-media

Many pundits had to eat their words when they predicted Trump would implode and had no shot at winning the Republican nomination. Now that the celebrity businessman is the presumptive nominee, Trump critics in the media, including some on the right, don’t want him to win in November.

It’s not unusual for Republicans to feel slighted by political reporters, most of whom vote Democratic in presidential election years. In a 1992 survey of Washington-based journalists, 89 percent said they voted for Bill Clinton, while 7 percent backed George H.W. Bush and 2 percent supported Ross Perot.

this board is intl territory now faggots

ECONOMIST IS FULL OF KIKES

Trump in 2012 "President Obama spoke for me and every American in his remarks in #Newtown Connecticut."

twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/280754630047199232

Have you checked the tweets before and after that one?

Maybe he said Obama did a good speech tonight but in the next tweet he called for schools to have armed security guards?

Page 22 already?

I'll update this thread later.

Trump: ‘I Don’t Know Yet’ What’s the Right Thing For States To Do on Transgender Bathrooms (VIDEO)

breitbart.com/video/2016/05/25/trump-i-dont-know-yet-whats-the-right-thing-for-states-to-do-on-transgender-bathrooms/

"On Wednesday’s broadcast of ABC’s “Jimmy Kimmel Live“ presumptive Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump said that he doesn’t know yet what states should do regarding which bathroom transgendered people should use."


And you know that guy who keeps on attacking Trump for shrugging his shoulders over the problem of which bathroom should transgender people use? He's also posting comments on Breitbart too under the name 'Magoo':

breitbart.com/video/2016/05/25/trump-i-dont-know-yet-whats-the-right-thing-for-states-to-do-on-transgender-bathrooms/#comment-2696220634

"Tranny Trump's already clearly stated that he supports transvestites using whatever toilet they choose. He opposed North Carolina's law barring transvestites from women's toilets:" [LINK TO VIDEO]

+ he posted a list of problems he has with Trump:

"No, it's more to do with:

-his 45% tariffs on US businesses (i.e. raising business tax),
-raising taxes on the rich,
-raising minimum wage,
-socialized healthcare,
-withdrawing from NATO,
-his endorsement of his good friend Clinton,
-donating to the Democrats,
-being close friends with RINOs Boehner & Christie,
-donating to McConnell,
-stating he identifies more as a Democrat than a Republican,
-etc.

In short, he's a self confessed liberal progressive RINO, something that is reflected in his liberal progressive policies. Is it any wonder he's pro transvestite rights?" [LINK TO VIDEO]


That guy is clearly a shill using a script.

Media Goes Full Retard Over Trump And EgyptAir Terror

vdare.com/posts/media-goes-full-retard-over-trump-and-egyptair-terror

underappreciated thread

This came into my mind last night:

Trump running for president is going to have an effect on the inevitable rising numbers of disenfranchised people in America; Could they be doing this as a way to change what is to come? Is this how they put anti-establishment people into a hole? Are they going to frame a huge set of ideologies, and use Trump as an example of what has happened? Is this so they can say "We learned what happened last time."

'They' meaning (((they))), of course.